#Personality Disorder Trait Specified

[vocaloidgender]

PD-TS (Personality Disorder Trait Specified) awareness flag

What is PD-TS: This disorder can manifest in many ways, such as: The person having a lot of personality disorders, not having enough traits of personality disorders to be diagnosed specifically, or having a personality disorder that doesn't fit with current diagnostics of existing personality disorders.

In the past the DSM has had (and now removed) similar diagnoses such as PDNOS (Personality disorder not otherwise specified).

Please note that there is not much readily available information about PD-TS, it is incredibly under researched.

Color meanings: I decided to do a rainbow(ish) color pattern to represent the spectrum of personality disorders PD-TS can encompass. However, the colors are slightly muted and mismatched as the experiences with this disorder are upsetting and confusing. Each color does not have a specific meaning.

Symbol meaning: The symbol is a multipointed star, it shows the many ways in which this disorder can manifest for many people.

The second symbol used in these flags is the general PD symbol by delphientropy

Who can use this flag? Anyone who has PD-TS or is questioning having PD-TS (and those without for icon/headcanon reasons), although I will say that transid this flag is not for you.

Other flags: I am aware of an existing PD-TS flag, so consider this an alternative rather than an original. The flag can be found here and was made by neopronouns.

Tagging: @radiomogai @pdsarchive and @mad-pride

Symbols are under the cut!

Here is a plain version of the symbol used! It was found here as a free stock photo

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Personality Disorder—Trait Specified pathological personality trait domains. Negative Affectivity(first), Detachment(Second), Antagonism(third), Disinhibition(fourth), Psychoticism(fifth).

Based on this Personality Disorder—Traits Specified flag

Negative Affectivity includes: Emotional lability, Anxiousness, Separation insecurity, Submissiveness, Hostility(also present in antagonism), Perseveration, Depressivity(also present in detachment), Suspiciousness(also present in detachment)

Detachment includes: Withdrawal, Intimacy avoidance, Anhedonia, Depressivity(also present in negative affectivity), Restricted affectivity, Suspiciousness(also present in negative affectivity)

Antagonism includes: Manipulativeness, Deceitfulness, Grandiosity, Attention seeking, Callousness, Hostility(also present in negative affectivity)

Disinhibition includes: Irresponsibility, Impulsivity, Distractibility, Risk taking

Psychoticism includes: Unusual beliefs and experiences, Eccentricity, Cognitive and perceptual dysregulation

May make flags for multiple trait domains later, but there is a lot of different combinations.

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[narcissisticpdcultureis]

pdnos w narcissistic traits culture is “the best revenge is being happy” but you’re also trying your hardest to shove your happiness in the face of those who hurt you so they know. because they Have To Know. what’s the point of being happy if i can’t weaponize it?

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[itsjustmypersonalitydisorder]

intentionally not blocking someone back so they can still lurk on your blog and see how much better you are than them

[interstellarsystem]

psychologists have confirmed multiple times that you can only have DID / OSDD / be a system WITH TRAUMA so being neutral or pro on the subject means you are okay with people faking a serious disorder interacting with your content and you are okay with people taking away resources for people who genuinely need the help.

https://psychcentral.com/disorders/dissociative-identity-disorder/dissociative-identity-disorder-causes#what-is-it

hope this helps.

Look, we don't normally answer anon hate but we've been meaning to post about this anyway. So your ask is going to be my podium for a moment.

Firstly, we're literally diagnosed, so if you're hoping to change our mind and send us packing our bags because we're "hurting real systems", you're literally only going to make us laugh. Diagnosis isn't a factor in someone's reality, sure, but... We're literally professionally diagnosed. You, anon, can't change that, no matter what you think of us being quoigenic. So I'm not even sure why you're here or what you hope to achieve.

Anyway.

"Psychologists have confirmed multiple times that you can only have DID / OSDD / be a system WITH TRAUMA"

I'd like to see these "multiple times" psychologists have confirmed that you CAN ONLY have DID/OSDD/be a system with trauma. In fact, the one source you linked? It says "is usually associated with adverse experiences and traumatic memories". Usually being they key word here.

Do they go into the reasoning behind traumagenic plurality after that? Yes. But they specified usually in the beginning. That's not "occurs only from". It's not "is usually caused by". It's "is usually associated with".

That quick nitpick aside!

Endogenics do not have to have DID, and many don't claim to have it. Being disordered (aka, having symptoms that fit the criteria for a disorder or are disordered in general) and being endogenic (aka having a system origin not based in trauma) are separate things. Origin is a self-defined trait! It's something you label yourself/selves with, based on what you know/feel about the beginning of your system. Being disordered, aka having DID/OSDD/Other CDDs is a separate thing entirely. Those are medical conditions. They're conditions with a symptom that is being plural, sure! But they have so many other symptoms that define them--which you need to fill a certain number of to qualify for a diagnosis.

A lot of endogenics are nondisordered. They don't claim to have any sort of CDD, because they simply don't! They usually don't experience disordered symptoms, they don't experience the levels of dissociation tied with CDDs, they don't claim to have any (or many) other symptoms associated with CDDs. You know why? Because they're literally nondisordered. They aren't claiming to have DID, because they just... don't fit the symptoms for it, and they know that. They're plural--which is a symptom of DID, sure! But saying they claim to have DID based on being multiple alone is like claiming that everyone who says they cough is claiming to have asthma. Plurality, in medicalised terms, is a single symptom (though we'd prefer not to define it that way, for the sake of this post I'm medicalising it) of some CDDs--it's not the whole thing itself.

In short, nondisordered endogenics don't claim to have DID. At all.

"But you say you have quoigenic DID, and you advocate for people with endogenic DID! So endos do claim to have DID!" Note: Not in the original ask, just a predicted response.

Yes, we do. Because regardless of your origin, you can still have disordered symptoms. Origin, in our personal opinion, only defines the start of your journey as plural, and is almost entirely useless otherwise. It doesn't define anything about your functioning, or your structure, or life experiences. It's just the starting point of your system. An endogenic system who fits all the diagnostic criteria for DID still has DID--regardless of their origin. DID is about the symptoms, as any other disorder is. If you match the symptoms? You should be able to access resources that you need to heal.

How does that work? Some systems could experience trauma that causes disordered symptoms later in life, after they were already plural. You could end up with disordered symptoms from other disorders that intertwine with your plurality. You could've made a tulpa as a kid and then started experiencing symptoms closer to DID as you got older. Some systems could just not care about labelling their origin based around trauma--they don't want it to define them. It doesn't matter in the end--once again, if someone experiences disordered symptoms, and matches the criteria? They have the disorder.

"Being neutral or pro on the subject means you are okay with people faking a serious disorder interacting with your content..."

Way to put words in our mouth? For the record, we don't care to try to hunt down "fakers" interacting with us. It's not worth the effort in the slightest. People will likely fake shit about themselves sometimes, and then they'll grow up. People we disagree with probably see our posts all the time. Who cares? Our blog is public, shit's bound to happen--we're an adult and we have a life that takes up enough energy for us to stop giving a shit about who's in our notes. We have a block button, we can use it if we need to. It's literally that simple.

That aside!

We see a lot of "endos are either faking or mistaken traumagenic systems" going around, so I'm going to include a bit of that topic in here too because they go hand in hand.

Genuinely, who cares what someone says their origin is? As we said earlier, endogenics don't claim to have DID/OSDD if they're nondisordered. So... There's clearly no disorder to even fake there? What would they gain out of pretending to be a nondisordered system aside from... Harrassment from people like you, anon? Doesn't seem like a fun pastime. If people want to fake being nondisordered and endogenic, honestly they're putting themselves more in harms way than they're actually harming others around them, most of the time.

As for disordered endogenic systems... Sure, you're of the opinion that CDDs can only come from trauma. You think they're wrong about their origin. But people with CDDs, regardless of what they beleive their origin is, still have CDDs. You can't decide their beliefs for them, or how disordered they are based on that. I'm sure some endogenics are "secretly traumagenic" and don't know about it. But does it really, actually matter what labels people use? If someone is struggling and experiencing disordered symptoms, why does it matter if they define their origin as something other than the commonly accepted explanation? Why should people have to always define themselves by their own suffering to be seen as "valid"?

Disordered endogenics are people who need help, they don't need to be harrassed online about what labels they use to describe their own lives. Even if it were true that every endogenic system was faking or was traumagenic but mistaken, the "fake systems" would eventually grow up and stop, and the "secret traumagenics" would still need help anyway, no matter what they call themselves. Calling them out and harrassing them over their personal choice of labels is stupid. They have the disorder you claim to protect. Why does it matter to you what they call themselves? Someone could say their origin is them sneezing so hard one time that it split their brain in two, we literally wouldn't care about that. If they're disordered, they deserve resources to help them. Anyone with a disability deserves access to help, regardless of if they're someone you personally agree with or not.

"...and you are okay with people taking away resources for people who genuinely need the help."

Putting words in my mouth again, but, anyway...

I'd like to extend to you, anon, if you care to respond--and any other person out there who wants to actually answer me--what resources are being taken away by endogenics here?

Is it DID specialists? Are nondisordered endogenics taking those? Why would they need access to medical care for DID if they're not experiencing DID? They wouldn't, usually. They might need help to manage internal system relationships, or they might need help for other mental or physical health issues--which.. Are absolutely valid reasons to seek medical help anyway. So why should they not see professionals if they have a reason to see them?

Are disordered endogenics taking them from you? I think the key word here is "disordered". They have a disorder. Why wouldn't they be able to see one? What is someone with DID taking away from... other people with DID?

If it's not DID specialists, what other resource is being taken? Self-help books and/or PDFs aren't limited or finite most of the time... Doctors and general psychologists can have the same logic as above applied to them... Support spaces are there for people who need them, so if endogenics need support from other systems then they deserve those spaces.... What else could endogenic systems possibly be taking from you?

Literally, we have never received an answer for this that makes sense. What are they taking away? And why do they not deserve it if they feel they require that resource? What is "resources" here?

[andre-and-cal]

Thoughts on the mental health issues Andre and Cal were struggling with? Just plain old depression that they chose to indulge further in, or was there something more going on?

Hey Anon!:) I can definitely give my input! This is sososo fun cuz I love psychology and my mom is a psychotherapist…

I’ll make this into 2 parts, btw, since gonna be long !!

What were the mental health issues Andre was experiencing?

To start off, I don’t believe Andre fits into any specific diagnostic criteria. He is deeply and psychologically disturbed, yes, but he exhibits traits of a couple different mental health disorders— and he doesn’t necessarily meet any. Sometimes, people just kind of snap prior to committing atrocities, but I also don’t think that Andre and Cal simply “snapped”.

Andre only really talks about how he’s angry and wants revenge for the fact that he’s been relentlessly picked on for his attire. He’s inadvertently painted himself in a more stereotypical light, as he seems like a violent figure right from the start. Rachel had already told Cal how she believed Andre was the “violent one”… for which he agreed.

He does definitely have some anger problems that he’s needed to work on, but I feel like it isn’t only anger. I think he also feels misplaced in his life and is filled with a lot of negativity. He believes that no one, not even his parents, can change that… so he accepted that. He kind of believes his life isn’t getting any better.

He and Cal experience a shared sense of alienation, and thus, while Andre had already formed this firm “construct” within his head, Calvin’s presence only then completed the structure right down to the very foundations. Meaning that, essentially, Andre had already begun to develop a sense of deep-seated emotional flatness and even detachment, and after he met Cal, he’d learned to embrace the suck with open arms.

The Army of Two is an echo chamber. Andre and Cal only really have each other— or that’s what they think, at least. But they only encounter each other’s beliefs, so they have this permanent assumption that they’re each other’s best interests.

Andre’s emotions are also quite “muddy”. He isn’t an overly outgoing person, and I believe he doesn’t feel comfortable accepting many people into his personal “circle”, which only really consists of his family and Calvin. This isn’t always a call for concern, however, as there are many people who are introverted and feel similarly.

I think that sometimes, Andre thinks too hard about Zero Day and experiences brief periods of self-doubt. Yet, he pushes these feelings away, even though it may feel like it’s eating him alive sometimes.

Additionally, I believe that Andre is mostly rational, albeit to a frightening degree. Because of this, he doesn’t fit into many psychiatric disorders, as he exhibits some traits from antisocial, narcissistic, and schizoid personality disorder.

In conclusion, Andre carries that recklessness (executing a pre-meditated attack), significant deprivation of empathy (ignoring the operator calling him on the phone), aggression (hitting his steering wheel out of frustration), and impulsivity (committing suicide with Cal) as seen in antisocial personality disorder. However, he also possesses a bit of the entitlement, delusions of grandeur (calling himself and Cal “gods”), and desires for infamy (planning to flee the country with Cal) seen in narcissistic personality disorder. Andre, I feel, is in touch with reality, too— he experiences little to no symptoms of psychosis. I think that he also socially withdrew by refusing to go to prom, and he is aloof— even unfriendly— toward other people as well, as Rachel mentioned he wasn’t nice to her at all. This correlates to schizoid personality disorder— yet, once again, he doesn’t meet enough of the criteria to be diagnosed with schizoid personality disorder specifically.

Hence, the mental health disorder best fitting Andre, in my opinion, is other specified personality disorder.

[mischiefmanifold]

The Alternative Model Diagnostic Criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD)

This is part of the section in the DSM-5 that offers an alternative diagnostic criteria for several personality disorders.

A. Moderate or greater impairment in personality functioning, manifested by characteristic difficulties in two or more of the following four areas:

Identity: Egocentrism; self-esteem derived from personal gain, power, or pleasure

Self-direction: Goal setting based on personal gratification; absence of prosocial internal standards, associated with failure to conform to lawful or culturally normative ethical behavior

Empathy: Lack of concern for feelings, needs, or suffering of others; lack of remorse after hurting or mistreating another

Intimacy: Incapacity for mutually intimate relationships, as exploitation is a primary means of relating to others, including by deceit and coercion; use of dominance or intimidation to control others

B. Six or more of the following seven pathological personality traits:

Manipulativeness (an aspect of Antagonism): Frequent use of subterfuge to influence or control others; use of seduction, charm, glibness, or ingratiation to achieve one's ends

Callousness (an aspect of Antagonism): Lack of concern for feelings or problems of others; lack of guilt or remorse about the negative or harmful effects of one's actions on others; aggression; sadism

Deceitfulness (an aspect of Antagonism): Dishonesty and fraudulence; misrepresentation of self; embellishment or fabrication when relating events

Hostility (an aspect of Antagonism): Persistent or frequent angry feelings; anger or irritability in response to minor slights and insults; mean, nasty, or vengeful behavior

Risk taking (an aspect of Disinhibition): Engagement in dangerous, risky, and potentially self-damaging activities, unnecessarily and without regard for consequences; boredom proneness and thoughtless initiation of activities to counter boredom; lack of concern for one's limitations and denial of the reality of personal danger

Impulsivity (an aspect of Disinhibition): Acting on the spur of the moment in reponse to immediate stimuli; acting on a momentary basis without a plan or consideration of outcomes; difficulty establishing and following plans

Irresponsibility (an aspect of Disinhibition): Disregard for—and failure to honor—financial and other obligations or commitments; lack of respect for—and lack of follow-through on—agreements and promises

Note: The individual is at least 18 years of age

Specify if:

With psychopathic features

Marked by lack of anxiety or fear and by a bold interpersonal style that may mask maladaptive anxiousness (Negative Affectivity domain), withdrawal (Detachment domain), and high levels of attention seeking (Antagonism domain). High attention seeking and low withdrawal capture the social potency (assertive/dominant) component of psychopathy, whereas low anxiousness captures the stress immunity (emotional stability/resilience) component.

[brainjvice]

Yapping about Kaiser (again)

No because I was thinking about Kaiser's narcissistic traits and how fucking SPOT ON they are its insane.

The hierarchy. The fact kaiser thinks in hierarchies. And its shown pretty explicitly via that one panel of noa and isagi on the stairs and Kaiser looking at them from below after his delusions got shattered.

That + him perceiving(!) Ness as a dog because he is inferior in his hierarchy scale.

And this is such a dismissed trait yet it's The most important when it comes to how narcissistic people navigate interpersonal relationships.

There's always someone inferior. There may be someone superior, too. Unless you're delusional enough. Then you're actually God.

And to think Ness is the main enabler* of those "delusions", esp when it comes to grandiosity, another narcissistic trait Kaiser displays.

*specifying i am not victim blaming Ness

Without Kaiser taking advantage of his fragility, without Ness grabbing onto the single spark that Kaiser had shown him (via... calling him a loser? Lmfao), the kaiser-centric system in bm would not exist.

So Kaiser went from being dismissed by the whole team due to his antisocial behavior/inability to navigate the "human" world to being praised non-stop and considered the fundamental player in their team.

Considering how Kaiser has never received love or recognition beforehand, he got lost in it and got greedy. Kaiser pre chara development is just your local feral stray cat who you adopted and now believes he is the king of the house. I seriously do not blame him for that ngl.

(Esp since he Is a good player. So his delusions werent actually that delusional yk.)

He does think he is The shit though, except at the time he was a v static player. He got too comfortable in the security of ness' passes, too dependent on it, which made his game more predictable and didn't let him evolve to reach his full potential.

I think, with time, his grandiosity may fade a bit, since to me it was strictly linked to Ness and the kaiser-centric system used by BM. That + it is a double edged sword, since it actually slows you down into becoming your better self. If you alreadythibk you're the greatest, there's not much room left for development.

And Kaiser is smart and is actually quite self conscious enough to not fall in past mistakes, not now that he has finally gotten the grasps of how to become a better player. He is a pro when it comes to survival, after all.

So yeah, grandiosity is def not Kaiser's main trait imo. The hierarchy, his callousness and his sadism (his malice) are probably more "pronounced" in his personality, although neither callousness nor sadism are inherently linked to narcissism.

Now, as I just said, sadism is common in people who display narcissistic behaviour but its not inherently narcissistic. It may be linked to antisociality, as well as trauma or repressed rage.

Kaiser, who's been unable to react to his father's abuse for YEARS, has, in fact, more than a decade worth of repressed rage. Except – once again – he does not rebel to whom he considers stronger/superior in his hierarchy.

In this case he sorta acts like your typical bully. Can't react towards an "authority" so he picks on weaker/inferior people. Kaiser feasts on them. But of course, there's no satisfaction into crushing npcs, yk. Hence all that disney villain type of monologue about how Isagi was finally big enough to devour (gay methinks, but thats not the point). Again. Big enough to get the sadistic satisfaction of crushing him but not too big, at least in Kaiser's mind.

(Except karma is a bitch and so is Isagi.)

Also. Can I say that I love how when Kaiser is not masking, he is the literal definition of the person standing emoji. Which is kinda funny but its actually so fucking real. Whoever has experienced dissociation, depersonalisation or derealization knows the drill. And dissociative disorders are sooo so common when it comes to trauma, esp when it comes to physical abuse. Kaiser's perception of his own body is probably so messed up. He got beat up till he bled like almost every day. Kaiser's body was for his father to use as a punching ball for YEARS. Since he was a CHILD.

So, of course, the second kaiser got actual autonomy on his body (for the first time ever!!!) he asked for a tattoo. Because now he gets to customise it as a way to make it his own.

It's his body now.

Also, his lack of empathy/callousness absolutely comes from trauma. Living in a violent environment, being forced to use your reptilian brain 24/7 does not do well to a child, and definitely doesn't help the correct development of certain parts of your brain when it comes to emotions. And Kaiser is still on survival mode.

Tbh. Kaiser's cptsd is severe and deeply intertwined in his personality and how he acts and lives. Even the hierarchy trait is strictly linked to his childhood: eat or get eaten. His father treated him like an extension of himself, a worthless object.

His ability to read people and to recognise Ness as easy prey probably comes from when he used to steal from people. You know, you need to learn quickly how to spot certain patterns and find the perfect victim to rob. He is used to analyse and read people. He just lacked the ability to manipulate since his experiences with people were limited.

I'm gonna be honest he would be a difficult patient to properly diagnose, considering his backstory. C-ptsd is the only thing I'm certain of.

((I think if his mental state ever becomes a nuisance in Kaiser's plan to become his best version, he would resort to therapy.))

((Much to think about but now im tired so i will end this here))

[vocaloidgender]

Would anyone be interested in a PD-TS character of the day blog?

[borderline-culture-is]

Daily click for Palestine(and the other causes)

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Who is this blog for?

This blog is for anyone with BPD and/or BPD traits. Other cluster B disorder havers and those without who want to learn are also welcome, although submissions are preferred to be BPD focused and sent by pwBPD and/or BPD traits.

Why this blog?

I'm not sure what happened to the other BPD culture is blog, but it was either nerfed or deleted, and I haven't seen any sign of return or a new blog, so I decided to make one. If the original account owner didn't want a creation of another one, please tell me!!!

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Hello, we're the moonshine collective. Bodily 16 y/o, collectively he/they, traumagenic system. We have BPD and NPD, among other things. Our main blog is @deepmilkshakepeach. If you want to visit it, it also has a masterlist of alters and their sign-offs and blogs.

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Hello! I'm mod ghost. I'm in my 20's. I volunteered to help moderate because this is a heavy undertaking. I don't interact with the other mods much, I'm just here to help lighten the load. I have BPD, C-PTSD and a bit of depwession. My personal blog is private because I split a lot there and I prefer to keep it in my own little corner of the internet.

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[narcissisticpdcultureis]

pddnos/npd questioning culture is ironically empathizing with other people's experiences with low/applied empathy.

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[howlsofbloodhounds]

Killer with PD-TS, aka Personality Disorder Trait Specified. That is all.