#antisocial personality disorder

[aspdculture-is]

aspd culture is wow nature's so beautiful. you can hurt someone so bad by hitting them over the head with a foldable chair

ASPD culture is

[stitch-away]

the way pedro talks about his avoidance of relationships and having kids... as a fan of his that has personality disorders, particularly in cluster b, idk it feels nice(?). like i feel seen i guess but a part of me aches that he potentially feels the same way i do bc i know how painful it is to live like that :(

idk i feel a sense of sadness but also camaraderie in the way pedro talks about his feels about relationships.

maybe other pedro pascal fans that have pds or just feel similar may resonate with this. this is kinda niche tho but i needed to put this somewhere

tentative about talking abt pds outside of the community so any ableism will be blocked. asking questions in good faith is fine tho ofc <3

[aspd-culture]

questioning aspd-culture is: it seems I have all the traits, though I haven't done anything illegal because I live with controling probably bpd parent and have a fairly well-developed rationalization and I have good control over all emotions i may feel because of that (I just suppress them)

Edit: TW/CW uncensored ableist language in the comments (not used in an ableist way - it’s the name of a diagnostic test)

Oh yeah, this is actually super common. That's why a common take amongst non-ableist professionals is that the criteria for lawbreaking also covers rulebreaking including social rules. Any strong desire that has to actively be fought to break laws also can fall under that depending on who you ask if the reason you don't is grounded in something other than morals or respect for the law.

Something I like to bring up as often as I can for people stuck under the misconception of the law breaking thing is that a big thing in pwASPD is a desire for convenience because happiness seems at best temporary and at worst fake, but living a life where everything is fairly convenient is a tangible, achievable task. Hiding a body is not convenient, cleaning up blood is not convenient, hiding from the law is not convenient. Also talking to cops sucks and jail sounds like one giant ASPD flare so screw anything that would make me go there.

Also, remember that you don't have to fit every criterion to have ASPD - it's 3/7 that are persistent and consistent, plus paying attention to associated traits/development criteria and checking for differential diagnoses.

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Edit: TW/CW uncensored ableist language in the comments (not used in an ableist way - it’s the name of a diagnostic test)

Oh yeah, this is actually super common. That's why a common take amongst non-ableist professionals is that the criteria for lawbreaking also covers rulebreaking including social rules. Any strong desire that has to actively be fought to break laws also can fall under that depending on who you ask if the reason you don't is grounded in something other than morals or respect for the law.

Something I like to bring up as often as I can for people stuck under the misconception of the law breaking thing is that a big thing in pwASPD is a desire for convenience because happiness seems at best temporary and at worst fake, but living a life where everything is fairly convenient is a tangible, achievable task. Hiding a body is not convenient, cleaning up blood is not convenient, hiding from the law is not convenient. Also talking to cops sucks and jail sounds like one giant ASPD flare so screw anything that would make me go there.

Also, remember that you don't have to fit every criterion to have ASPD - it's 3/7 that are persistent and consistent, plus paying attention to associated traits/development criteria and checking for differential diagnoses.

[autopsyfreak]

more products of my chronic boredom.

edit: since so many of you are completely misconstruing the purpose of this meme, the reason why HPD isn’t mentioned on this post is because this is specifically talking about the personality disorders that i have been diagnosed with and the demonisation i’ve experienced.

[youlookkindadead]

i've seen quite a bit of confusion about this, so let me attempt to clear things up :

empathy is the ability to feel somebody's emotions as though they are affecting you personally. for example, somebody tells you "my dog died last night!" -> you now feel as though you've lost a pet personally -> you feel grief and sadness just like the other person. not everyone has empathy. it's a trait some people develop and others don't. some have high empathy, some have low empathy, some (like me) have none.

sympathy is the ability to understand and care about somebody else's struggles, even if you don't feel them yourself. so, somebody tells you their dog died -> you realize how this affects them emotionally -> you care about this person, and are upset that they are suffering. not everyone has sympathy either! it's a scale, just like empathy.

compassion is doing something to relieve another person's suffering or make them feel better. somebody tells you their dog died -> you don't want them to remain upset -> you come up with ways to help them feel better, like offering comfort and distractions, or other forms of support. compassion is a learned trait, not something you can be born with like empathy or sympathy. anyone can learn to be compassionate, although some may struggle more with it than others; it's a skill, just like anything else.

however, none of these are required to be a good person. that's a choice you make on your own accord. i hope this clears things up!

[ur-all-fucking-idiots]

Mfs when a trauma response makes someone an asshole and isn't just some cute uwu quirky part of their personality

[cryingscreamingpuking]

It really makes me so damn angry how many autistic/ADHD people treat the neurodivergent label as the autism+adhd label. Neurodivergent includes ANYONE who's brain doesn't work the way it's supposed to. This includes people that have learning disabilities. People with down's syndrome. People with cluster A, B and C disorders. That includes systems/people with DID, that includes schizophrenics, that includes people with PTSD. If you have a group that is labeled for neurodivergent people, you cannot act surprised or offended if people that don't have autism or ADHD but DO have other disorders join that group. Because neurodivergent is an umbrella term. And everyone under that umbrella term deserves to be able to find community in groups named with that umbrella term.

[necroticcadaver]

Do not claim to be a mental health advocate or a safe space for the mentally ill if you demonise systems, cluster B personality disorders and/or psychotic disorders.

[definitelynotaweirdo]

[aspdculture-is]

ASPD Culture is opening up to someone that you have ASPD, but they didn't put the effort to do their research so when you showed symptoms they started to call you evil and a jerk

ASPD culture is

[stitch-away]

non-pd havers talking about a person w pd as if they're evil and a bad person for showing while i'm just there like... great to know i can never be myself around you 👍

[aspd-culture]

Hi! Hope it’s ok to ask this, I’m a person with aspd’s exception they are also my partner whom I love dearly I wanted to know from you all if there’s any advice you all have or anything. They’re genuinely the best person I know and it took a lot of trust to get to where we are now and it was worth every second I care for them a lot and I want to be the best boyfriend I can to them

(Due to the amount of links and to avoid formatting issues, I'm going to keep this post in plain text only. I apologize for the length of it, and the length of all the posts I'll be linking here)

Hi, it's definitely okay to ask and I really appreciate you coming to someone with ASPD because damn the google searches for this suck. I've got a couple posts on this that go into better detail than I could in one post, so I'm gonna put some links in here and if you need any clarification or have any other questions, feel free as always to ask them./gen

Links & more advice below the cut:

Firstly, one of my posts where I've described what an Exception is (always a good idea to know this so that you're aware of what that means from our side):

How to support a pwASPD:

Urges/possible replacement behaviors:

What "Transactional Relationships" Means for pwASPD (useful to understand how to avoid making someone with ASPD feel unsafe around you:

This one is short but it's something I personally wish more Exceptions realized (how high a value it means we put on you). I don't show you this in any way to put pressure on you but instead to help remind you in the moments where it might not feel like the pwASPD in your life cares (because sometimes it just doesn't come across properly) that they very, very much do:

Tips for dealing with ASPD symptoms from the side of the prosocial person:

Things that can cause ASPD Flares:

And that is probably already a novella's worth of information. But some specific advice I don't know if I've gone into before:

Do yourself and the person in question two huge favors in this and learn about flat affect if they experience that & try to learn to be comfortable with it, and get used to checking in with both of your emotions vs making assumptions on them. That goes both ways, because low/no empathy is a big part of most people's ASPD so they will very likely struggle to notice your emotions, and also because pwASPD have an emotional state that is VERY much misread by prosocial empathy. A lot of pwASPD (and no prosocial I've ever met) have this true neutral emotional state that is kind of the default, and I and many other pwASPD have learned the hard way that this true neutral (not content, just not feeling any emotion at all) reads to empathy as livid. Like truly pissed the hell off. This leads to something that can cause extreme friction between a prosocial and someone with ASPD: this persistent "I feel like you're mad at me" or "I can tell something is wrong" when in fact we are not feeling anything at the moment. Ask this enough times in a row though, or try to tell us what we're feeling, and suddenly the majority of us would sure be feeling VERY ticked off. I'm not saying don't ask at all - like I said open communication of emotions is huge between a prosocial and a pwASPD - but if they say they aren't mad but your empathy (if you have typical empathy) is certain they are, believe them at face value. On the low chance they're lying (most of us won't hesitate to tell you that you've ticked us off), it's probably because it is not something they feel able to discuss at the moment, and because most of us have low/no empathy, we don't expect you to guess how we're feeling anyways. If we don't tell you, we usually get that you don't know and won't like pin that on you in the way prosocials might.

Also, obviously pwASPD are not all the same so the biggest thing is to communicate in general. Don't assume everything I've said in these posts are universal because with a personality disorder, the spectrum of symptoms is wide - that's just kind of how it is when you're dealing with a disorder that affects every aspect of someone's life, actions, emotions, and thoughts.

[autopsyfreak]

Homicidal Ideation

homicidal ideation is the term for having active thoughts about murdering others. these thoughts can be intrusive, however they can also often be voluntary.

misconceptions:

‘people who have these thoughts either have killed someone or will kill someone in the future’ - this is false. most people who have these thoughts usually have disordered behaviours (most commonly as a result of personality disorders) and struggle to find healthy ways to cope with their emotions, therefore provocation and stress can easily cause thoughts of inflicting harm onto others. this doesn’t inherently mean these people are dangerous, nor does it mean that they’re going to act upon these thoughts. most people who experience homicidal ideation never act on it and use it more as a way to process their distress/frustration internally.

‘having these thoughts about people in your life means you can’t possibly care for them’ - also false. caring for someone doesn’t make them an exception to mental illness and it doesn’t stop your mental illnesses from existing. to think that someone’s love for you is only valid as long as they’re not displaying traits of mental illness is unfair and is hugely misinformed. to love and be loved by someone who is mentally ill is to accept that they will display symptoms of their mental illness. you are not the exception and they do not love you any less by showing traits of being unwell.

‘so you endorse murder’ - no. that’s not at all what this means and if you seriously think this then your grasp of severe mental health issues is too limited to be commenting on such topics.

‘you’re evil’ - for being unwell? don’t be a cunt. if you seriously think that having a disordered manner of processing emotions internally makes someone ‘evil’ then that sounds more like an issue with you being too sensitive and having a lack of understanding, not an issue with the mentally ill person experiencing these thoughts. don’t make your inability to understand mental illness into someone else’s problem.

as someone who does experience homicidal ideation, it’s also important to not make the mistake of assuming everyone who is mentally ill experiences these thoughts either. i had an anonymous ask earlier today that directly associated the fact i’m mentally unwell with murder and homicidal thoughts, to immediately make this assumption just because someone is mentally ill is disgusting.

[the-abandoned-director]

thought people would like this 👍🏼

[funnier-with-aspd]

It’s very ironic to me that, in discussions surrounding Cluster B personality disorders, people with NPD (who are very sensitive to perceived insults/criticism) are unfairly maligned to the point of being labelled inherently abusive, and people with HPD (who have a strong desire for attention) are forgotten about/ignored.