#new 52 jon kent

[goosesugar]

H(a)unted (R stands for Redemption)

a hunter vs. hunter fight ft. injustice!damian x new52 jon (jon lane kent). damian is an orca whale who was caught by jon the fisherman (it didn’t end well for both of them cuz they’re both evil 👹)

[yhroa]

[aceissomunster]

friendly reminder that this is not Jon Lane Kent

but actually Jon SAMUEL Kent.

THIS is Jon Lane. From the New 52.

[kryptonuts]

these two deserve to be in a toxic codependent relationship l

[sisaloofafump]

The way the “closed” diner sign says “lose” when Lois goes out with Jon Carroll 🥲

[super-sons-week]

Wrong Universe:

Inspo:

[scarletackrmn]

So I recently made a cosplay list of DC cosplays I want to do, and the different versions for certain characters. I recently saw the comic panel of Damian getting stabbed and had a thought.

I remembered how some people did this cosplay of Junko where they attached the stuff that stabbed her to the cosplay (reference photo below, I am not the cosplay so credit to them and the photographer!!)

So what if I did something like this, but cosplayed Damian’s New 52 robin suit and attached a sword to me

Just me, Damian Wayne, walking around with a sword through me bringing trauma wherever I go, seeing if I can make a Batman weep.

Please tell me you see the vision

[honeyandthmoon]

oh that's... that's bad retcon of my favorite character...

[thenotoriousscuttlecliff]

Every time that DC has tried to make Superman/Wonder Woman happen in the mainstream comics they quickly decided against it and then went really hard on Clois. Last time they went so hard they actually killed off the New 52 Superman and brought back the married post-Crisis Clark and Lois and gave them a son.

[ad-astra-per-asparagus]

Hyperfixating on a character whose writing in recent years you just Do Not Like is quite a challenge el oh el.

[sassylittlecanary]

Happy Pride! Time to talk about how DC still hates Midnighter and Apollo despite occasionally holding them up as flashy tokens to say “Look, we do have queer superhero couples! We’re so progressive!”

Perhaps the most insulting thing about DC wanting credit for having such groundbreaking queer superheroes is that Midnighter and Apollo weren’t even DC characters during their most creative and successful years. They were created by Warren Ellis and Bryan Hitch in 1997 in Stormwatch, published by Wildstorm Comics, which was then an imprint of Image Comics before being purchased by DC a year later. DC didn’t create their success or foster their status as pioneering gay superheroes (that was all due to Wildstorm’s independent and edgy creative team)—if anything, DC fought against it. In 2000, DC vice-president Paul Levitz infamously censored a kiss between the couple because he felt they were “making fun of Superman and Batman.” (It was only a few years later, during Levitz’s presidency at DC, that he apparently didn’t have a problem with Brokeback Mountain jokes in Batman/Superman comics, but that’s another story). And that, really, is the crux of it. DC hates Midnighter and Apollo not because they’re gay, but because they’re gay pastiches of DC’s two most iconic heroes. Progressive as modern DC can be, it’s hard to believe they’ve truly gotten over their discomfort about Midnighter and Apollo’s unsubtle and satirical origins.

There’s also the fact that while the New 52 screwed over basically everybody, it began the DC tradition of absolutely destroying everything good and interesting about the former Wildstorm Universe. Yes, DC gave Midnighter a solo book and then a miniseries he shared with Apollo that centered their romantic relationship (one written by a gay man, no less) but those were still lackluster efforts when contextualized with the fact that the DC versions of these characters are heavily sanitized and depowered, barely a shadow of their former selves (especially Apollo). Wildstorm (in spite of DC rather than thanks to DC) made them the first gay couple to get married in comics and gave them an adopted daughter during an era when gay adoption rights were even more hotly debated than they are now. Post-Flashpoint, DC then broke them up, eventually let them get together again, and then basically stopped using them (and then when they did, like in Superman and the Authority, Apollo thinks Midnighter’s cheating and he’s doesn’t really deny it). A far cry from their glory days as devoted husbands and co-parents in the 2000s! Now they usually only appear in Pride specials, and even then it’s either “we’re using them for laughs and also Apollo’s the housewife teehee” (2025) or “Midnighter’s there but Apollo’s not despite them sharing a cover” (2021). They’re given no mainstream exposure, no meaningful character development, no creative endeavors.

Compare this to Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn being literally everywhere, Batwoman and John Constantine getting TV shows, and regular comic appearances (including solos) by characters like Alan Scott, Renee Montoya, Tim Drake, and Jon Kent. Many queer DC characters are both beloved and profitable. DC’s lack of real interest in Wildstorm’s legacy aside, their underutilization and sanitization of Midnighter and Apollo outside of using them as queer-friendly props when it’s convenient seems to indicate that the old resentment over “lol look we did Batman and Superman except they’re different and gay” really hasn’t died. Their legacy carries baggage that DC editorial isn’t willing to handle.

[soleminisanction]

Okay this misconception keeps coming across my dash and it drives me nuts because it means people are lumping two very different versions of the DC universe under one disparaging banner. So let me just say this to get it off my chest because I'm this close to shaking somebody:

The New 52 ended seven years ago in 2016.

That started a section of DC's history called "Rebirth" in which they started bringing elements of the pre-Flashpoint continuity back into the timeline. The first changes came in a big burst called Convergence -- which is how Jon Kent effectively manifested fully formed at 10 years old -- while other reintroductions like Kon-El, Bart Allen, Cass Cain, etc. were more gradual.

The original plan, being forced through by King of Bad Decisions Dan Didio, was that after ~4-5 Rebirth would give way to another full reboot known as 5G. I could go into detail about the plans but they're honestly not important to this post because Didio was (thankfully, finally) ousted from his role as publisher early in 2020, along with something like 80% of the higher-level editorial staff. DC had a complete creative turn-over at the start of the pandemic and completely changed directions as a result. The material being developed for 5G was retooled into the hypothetical future event "Future State" to buy the new staff time to pull together their new direction.

That new direction is called INFINITE FRONTIER. It started in 2021 and THAT is the era of DC comics we're in now. Infinite Frontier is an active push to bring back the pre-Flashpoint characters, as well as some pre-Crisis ideas and characters, while also keeping the few elements of the New 52 that people actually liked (like Jason Todd's more heroic characterization) and actively pursuing diversity initiatives both in creative staff and in creations. And outside of the big events, they're making a real effort to keep these comics short and self contained in the hopes that that'll make them more accessible. So it's actually really easy, if you read comics pre-Flashpoint and dropped off, to just pick up a series and go with the flow. Anything confusing is just a Google away.

Please, please don't make the mistake of thinking modern comics are as bad as the New 52 just because some people are butthurt their ship isn't getting canonized. There have been some really good comics made in the last few years that you should totally try! Spirit World, Monkey Prince and the entire We Are Legends line has been genuinely fantastic. The new Birds of Prey is shaping up to be a ton of fun. Dark Knights of Steel is an entertaining Elseworld. Urban Legends and Brave & the Bold have done some really fun things with shorter anthology books. One Minute War was a really fun Flash family event and everything Stargirl's done recently is liable to make you cry.

I'm begging people to give these comics a chance. It's just really sad to see them being dismissed out of hand.

[the-bat-bros]

Hello! I recently tripped face first into an obsession and I want to start getting into the comics (specifically red hood) so where should I start? There's so much and I'm a bit overwhelmed

It’s totally okay to feel overwhelmed, there is A LOT of media to cover. But here is the thing that I like to remind people, you don’t HAVE to read certain comics in order to enjoy a character. You can be a Batman fan and only read absolute Batman. You can be a Nightwing fan but have only read titans. And that’s okay! There is no right way to dive into the comic world. Go at your own pace, and you’ll find the style of stories that you most enjoy!

That being said, here is a list of comics I think are great for beginners (apologies for the long post):

- Nightwing (Dawn of DC) great story and art.

- Titans. Both Rebirth and Dawn of DC have some good stories.

- Teen Titans. Again both Dawn of DC and Rebirth have good stories!

- Superman: Son of Kal El. A great intro to Jon Kent’s Superboy, with a great story and amazing visuals.

-Like the Damian and Jon dynamic? SuperSons (rebirth) and Adventures of the Super Sons

- Batman and Robin: Year One. A more recent take on Bruce taking in Dick. Super cute and explores their characters well.

- The Kami Garcia Titans Books (Raven, Beast Boy, Beast Boy Loves Raven, Starfire, and Robin) A modern take on the characters with super great art by Gabriel Picolo.

- Constantine: Distorted Illusions. A modern younger Constantine novel, also by Kami Garcia.

- Superboy: The Man of Tomorrow. Explores Conner Kent finding his place in a world full of supers.

Now, in regards to Red Hood. You’ve got some options.

-Death in the Family

-Red Hood and The Outlaws (New 52) now I know this isn’t everyone’s favorite run, but I personally enjoyed it, and it ties directly into Red Hood and Arsenal which gives us peak bromance

- Red Hood and the Outlaws (Rebirth) ft. Bizzaro and Artemis

- Nightwing Annual 2021. Can not recommend this enough. Gives us a really good brother story between Dick and Jason.

-Batman: Under the Red Hood

-Red Hood: Lost Days. Haven’t read it personally yet, but have heard good things.

-Task Force Z. Another one I haven’t read yet, I’ve heard it’s kinda like a suicide squad type thing.

Also can not recommend these free reads on Webtoons enough:

- Batman: Wayne Family Adventures

- Red Hood and the Outlaws

- Zatanna and the Ripper

Most of these can be read on Dc infinite for free (can’t read certain comics without a subscription, can get a 7 day free trial then it’s $7.99 a month)

Hope that this helps! Let me know if you have any other questions!

[watsondcsj]

So then, is the 2018 Jon "Jon Lane Kent II" or "Jon Lane Kent III?" That last volume of Superboy 2011 had him meet himself at an earlier point in his own timeline, but does that constitute 2 numbers?

They both exploded by the end, so it doesn't super matter, but still...

But at least it can explain why Lois and Clark weren't even a little bit suspicious about this kid not having memories that match what the reader knows despite what other problems this would present. Their memories match.

The fallout of Superman Reborn in Action Comics #977 & #978 is... a choice for sure.

Epiphany: suppose the teenaged Jon Kent is of Earth-0 but from the Superman Reborn timeline, while the younger was born during Convergence as we all read. Superman Reborn had exactly zero consequences on anyone's history, save Clark and Lois, even Jon. Jon didn't get reduced to two orbs and remereged into a singular being combining the whole histories of his parents to match his. His parents experienced a hypertime no one else in the universe did.

That could mean the reason Harvest was crucified in RHatO and SoKE makes allusion to Superboy (2011) is because the Teen Jon is whatever amalgamation became of Lobdell’s Superboy from that timeline, though the original could still be out there somewhere.

[necrotic-nephilim]

I’m gonna be honest I didn’t realize the new 52 messed with Kon that much till I read your post and now I can’t get over the potential. I’m a Tim/Kon girly at heart so I would devour anything you write exploring the 52 vs typical Kon. Also Time being in a clone sandwich is 👌.

the new-52 messed Kon up SO bad it's ridiculous. like, to the point i would personally argue he's a completely unrelated character to pre-Flashpoint/Rebirth Kon. his personality, his suit, his origin, all different. the only real similarities are the name and powerset. and even New-52!Kon's powers are slightly different from pre-Flashpoint!Kon. New-52!Kon is a clone of a future version of Jon Lane Kent, cloned by N.O.W.H.E.R.E. to provide genetic material to Jon Lane Kent, whose body was not handling being half human/half Kryptonian well, it was a whole thing. New-52!Kon is also where we get the infamous "Kon-El means 'abomination of the house of El' and Kara basically named him a slur in Kryptonian culture" tidbit, because that is the only time that's canon. (originally Kon-El was a name gifted by Clark to accept Kon as his family way back in the 90s) he also never went by Conner Kent. New-52!Kon just straight up didn't have any real human identity or connections, outside of being very close to Tim and some Titans.

the very TLDR of Kon's history is: during post-Crisis/pre-Flashpoint, a clone called Superboy is created by CADMUS. at first, he's considered to be a clone of a dude named Paul Westfield and is not Kryptonian whatsoever, he was simply made to look like Superman and only has Tactile Telekinesis as a power. then, it was made canon that actually he was a clone of Lex Luthor and Clark Kent, but Lex hid this fact and slowly, Kon developed more Kryptonian powers. he's given the name Kon-El by Clark, and is taken in by the Kents, getting the name Conner Kent. then Flashpoint happens, we get the New-52, and we're given the above version of Kon-El, who is a clone of Jon Lane Kent, created by N.O.W.H.E.R.E. who has mostly very strong telekinesis powers and some Kryptonian powers. he's with the Titans for a bit, then at the end of the New-52, he kills some aliens and feels bad about it so he decides to fuck off and is never seen again, it's presumed he's dead but never confirmed. then Rebirth happens and DC makes Jon Kent the current Superboy, we get Supersons and all that, and it's assumed that no version of Kon-El exists. just at all. he's not around whatsoever, Jon is our only Superboy. *but* in 2019, we get a new Young Justice run and the pre-Flashpoint Kon-El is back, and we're given the explanation of: Kon got accidentally teleported to this alternate realm called Gemworld and then Flashpoint happened, and since that was a Crisis Event that changed the timeline, the poor lad got *erased* from the timeline, causing most people to *not fucking remember him* and for him to remember a timeline that no longer exists. some of the Young Justice team vaguely remember him, Ma and Pa Kent remember him, but notably, Clark *does not remember him*. it's not an issue of "Clark ignored Kon in favor of Jon" it's an issue of "Kon was erased from the timeline and didn't exist for years bc he was stuck in Gemworld and Clark just doesn't remember Kon or Kon's timeline" which to me, is far more tragic but i digress. since then, Kon has been back and is present in most significant Superfamily runs, with his own recent mini-series, Superboy: Man of Tomorrow. (which was very good btw)

so basically: the New-52 fucked Kon up so bad they wrote him out of comics for years and then brought back the pre-Flashpoint version, but never *explicitly* killed the New-52 version off. so hypothetically, it's possible that there are currently two characters existing in the DC universe named Kon-El who have been Superboy. and like i said above, one of New-52!Kon's only real significant relationships was with Tim, it was the only thing the New-52 managed to get right about Superboy, his closeness to Tim. they have a *lot* of moments that read incredibly queer. and ofc, it's just outright confirmed in Dark Crisis: Young Justice that Tim had a crush on pre-Flashpoint!Kon at some point. so while comics are intent on pretending New-52!Kon doesn't exist, i am intent on putting Tim in a clone sandwich.

because i do think it's fun to play with Tim having genuine feelings and potentially a relationship with both of them. and the fucked up nature of him not fully *remembering* his relationship with pre-Flashpoint!Kon (which is a canon thing, in YJ(2019) Tim has vague memories of Kon he's struggling to piece together and understand why he cares about this guy he doesn't recognize so much) and how frustrating that is for Tim. he knows he loves Kon, but it's all foggy besides that. and so it's even *more* fucked up if Tim dated New-52!Kon before he got emo and ran off into the unknown. obviously in canon no one has told current Kon about New-52!Kon bc comics are doing the good ol' tried and true of "sweep that shit under the rug" but for fanfic, i think it's fun to ask the question of: would anyone *tell* Kon? especially Tim? who now remembers dating both versions of them? would he admit to Kon that briefly, he had another Kon? how would Tim cope with that and move on? personality wise, they could not be more different. they dress and act and look different. they're not the same person, but there's certainly a questionable factor of Tim's dating history including two Kon-Els.

the idea i've had for a while is Tim slowly starting to date pre-Flashpoint!Kon again. it feels familiar and like home. and Tim has grieved and accepted that wherever New-52!Kon is, he doesn't want to come home, he didn't love TIm enough to stay and try. so Tim takes the Kon he has, and genuinely has a happy relationship. like for once, life is good and things almost make sense for Tim. but then, of course, New-52!Kon comes back. he decides he wants to try again and he finds Tim. only to find well. he's been replaced. and technically, he's been replaced with the *original* that he didn't even know *existed*. and if being a clone is bad enough, that just makes it a hundred times worse. because imagine knowing you're actually the second Kon-El your boyfriend who you never *technically* broke up with fell in love with. that's gotta give you some kind of complex.

so i think it's fun if both Kons try to step back and let the other Kon date Tim. both of them have reasons to feel like the "replacement" or "fake" Kon, and it makes them incredibly awkward with each other. do they count as the same person? bc they definitely don't *feel* like the same person to each other, but with weird timeline stuff, who can really say. them settling on an awkward throuple that's really meant to be Tim just dating them both but somehow they end up dating each other too is so fun for me. they both feel like imposters to the Superboy name but are so deeply in love with Tim Drake, it's the one thing truly connecting them. and then of course, Tim feels bad in that somehow, he's betraying both of them for having feelings for the other. but they make it work, with a lot of awkward angst and miscommunication. i just think it'd be fun. very difficult to write to get all the weird timeline nuances down in a way that's understandable in a fanfic (bc you can't just. infodump like i did on this post) but doable. also difficult to tag, because even though i argue these are two different characters, i'm pretty sure Ao3 groups them under the same character tag. so it'd be difficult to convey it's not *really* as selfcest-y as it would imply. comics, man. DC will never acknowledge New-52!Kon again, and he's admittedly a terrible adaptation of Kon-El, but. i think he was sort of neat in his own right and i'd *love* for DC to just inexplicably bring him back and make the current Kon deal with the consequences of all that. and them make Tim kiss them both. obviously.