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Climbing the Holy Stairs on one's knees is a devotion much in favour with pilgrims and the faithful. Several popes have performed the devotion,[5] and the Catholic Church has granted indulgences for it.[10] Pope Pius VII on 2 September 1817 granted those who ascend the Stairs in the prescribed manner an indulgence of nine years for every step. Pope Pius X, on 26 February 1908, conceded a plenary indulgence as often as the Stairs are devoutly ascended after Confession and Holy Communion. On 11 August 2015, the Apostolic Penitentiary granted a plenary indulgence to all who, "inspired by love", climbed the Stairs on their knees while meditating on Christ's passion, and also went to Confession, received Holy Communion, and recited certain other Catholic prayers, including a prayer for the Pope's intentions.
#taemin#shinee#lee taemin#ephemeral gaze#just enjoying the various thoughts on Heaven#heaven#taemin heaven#shinee twitter#taemin t#eternal meta
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The fact that Riz Gukgak (the boy who doesn't know how to take a break, who is deeply afraid of drifting apart from his friends, who "has a hard time connecting to his dearest friends unless he can feel useful") was the one who manifested a creature that forced The Bad Kids to work together again and robbed them of having a proper summer break is so poetic.
#Like the night yorb existing quite literally stems from a bit about his inability to relax on spring break#Plus the night yorb casting Elmville in eternal night. Riz is a chronic insomniac. I get it now#riz gukgak#dimension 20#fantasy high#fantasy high junior year#d20#fh#fhjy#riz gukgak meta#dimension 20 meta#fantasy high meta#fhjy meta#fantasy high spoilers#fhjy spoilers
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The lighting in the S1 1941 flashback is so painfully dark I was rewatching it on a 150% brightness and perhaps I am five years late, but how come I've never noticed that this
is how Aziraphale gazes at Crowley before the "little demonic miracle of my own"???
This is him before the love realisation, just after Aziraphale miracled them both safe from the bomb exploding on the church with the Nazis. No heartwarming acts of service yet — best to his knowledge, Crowley was only there for moral support, because he "didn't want him to get embarassed". And his gaze is— I don't know what to say. Like it would kill him to look away. So fond, so immersed, "oh God, there you are", like hundreds of years have passed, not decades since they saw each other last. Books? What books? What air raid, what war?
Arguably the best part of the scene happens literal seconds after. If you pay close attention to the whole shot, you'll spot the brown satchel on the side. Which Aziraphale would notice earlier too, if he could focus on anything other than Crowley.
#good omens#good omens 1941#aziraphale#crowley#ineffable husbands#aziracrow#aziraphale x crowley#good omens analysis#good omens meta#ineffable spouses#good omens s1#gos1#anthony j crowley#i'm going to be sick#michael sheen what if this is my last straw? what then?#i blame the eternal darkness of these shots that i've only noticed this now#aziraphale was there!! smitten gone so SO BAD for him!!!!! and he was the one who did all the hard bits!!#end me please#marcela talks
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thinking more about the psychological aspect of solavellan, and before I start, I'd like to stress that this is NOT CRITICAL of it, I actually think it's what makes part of the dynamic interesting. My word isn't the be all and end all, however, this is just my musings on the topic :] Also, REALLY long post! so, more under the read more lol
From Lavellan's point of view, I would personally struggle to see her trusting another lover or close one again for a long time, if ever again. I don't really think people ever talk about the real impact of the things she goes through, or what solas put her through, and the hurt as a result of it. The relationship is never defined between the two of them, it's always spoken about in vague undetermined words from their companions and poetic elvish between the two of them. Are they lovers? companions? partners? it's really up to the player. Leliana says that "you were close", Sera says Lavellan is "in it." Vhenan means home, heart, it's not a word said lightly imo and he tells you he loves her by their second kiss. It's never an official thing, so how secure can Lavellan truly feel?
This could go both ways when it comes to the break up. Crestwood, as a scene, is so interesting to me because the first portion seems like a man brought to his knees by weakness for the woman he loves. The two of them never cease to touch, fingers entwined, shoulders brushing, skin to skin. It's so reminiscent of how Lavellan matches his Hallelujah cadence. They're two parts of a song singing together. It's a gorgeous scene and it's understandable how so many are angry at how it ends because the whiplash between how it starts and what it leaves you with is severe. Imagine this from lavellan's shoes.
You're desperately in love with someone at odds with your people, who is wonderful and enticing and smart. Loving solas feels like loving the whole world, like being free and connected with the stars. But you don't know what this is. And, if you thought you did, how far can you presume? Is Lavellan always on edge, scared to love him deeper and richer than he loves her? or is she in a false sense of security, assuming his affection is forever hers. So when he not only breaks away your faith and trust in your history, plus potentially the vallaslin, she is clearly deeply upset. This isn't a minor fact that simply can be swept aside. The vallaslin is important. And Solas, even with the best intentions, has hurt her. He knows it and there's a reason why he apologises (bc he wimped out on the real truth). How much more does he know about her people that he has refused to tell her or kept from her by omission? Can you imagine the embarrassment, the utter humiliation of that secret? how many memories of them together where she replays his distaste for her people in her mind, knowing that he has access to knowledge that could change her perception of her past? Its ALOT. and thats even before the breakup.
Solas is not kind about the break up. It's rushed (impulsive to me) and doesn't do their connection justice. His composure cracks in places and it's very unlike him. It absolutely blindsides the player, so imagine being in Lavellan's place, AFTER THE VALLASLIN? personally, I wouldn't have been able to function. I half suspect that a sad, calm Lavellan is also in shock or disassociation. Because how else do you cope? The lack of communication between them alone is enough to raise my eyebrows. He promises answers. He confides that she saw through his mask and doesn't tell her what was real, and what was fake. He has given her a kernel truth whilst keeping her in the dark. Everything he told her could be a false, imaginary polite mask or it could be the truth. Where does it end? Where does he begin? Where does she stand?
I don't know if everyone has experienced what it's like to be ghosted or for a friend to simply disappear one day, but it changes you. I say this as someone who has both been avoidant as well as anxious, but you never recover. Someone disappearing like that makes you doubt any reassurance that people won't just evaporate from your life. So when Solas just disappears, the game's single conversation with Leliana feels a little lacking to me. I understand that they can't really dedicate a lot to it, I get that, so I'd like to fill it in. At first, it's search parties. Solas wouldn't just leave her like that. He promised her answers. He started another mural just before they left for corypheus. He didn't intend to just leave, surely.
Days, weeks and months pass. The question is worse than the truth. Is he dead? Did he use them? Was he being truthful when he spoke to her in those ruins, or another polite mask he could hide behind? Is it better if he's dead or better than he didn't deem her worthy enough to even say goodbye? We, as the players, obviously know this isn't true, but she doesn't know that. Does your lavellan assume the worst and be overcome with grief that her one love, her heart, her home, was nothing more than a lie of omission? or is there anger there at his betrayal of her trust once more? I seriously doubt it was easy to forget or dismiss. That kind of disappearance ruins your trust with people. Something. Anything would have been enough.
Again, this is all my opinion on how these emotions would play out and DEFINITELY NOT canon nor do they have to be! But I seriously struggle to see how Lavellan could even come to heal from these wounds within even a two year time skip. By the time of trespasser, almost everyone has left her side. She's almost entirely alone again, save Cullen and Josie (and leliana if she's not divine). And thats okay: they all have rich lives to return to. But that must just reaffirm to her that no one will stay. She is alone. How does she trust again?
And then there is Fen'harel. Lavellan's reaction to fen'harel has always lacked the fear I kind of hoped would be there? I mean this isn't just a minor deity, this IS THE antagonist of her entire faith. I'm assuming that she's lost hope in the gods, even though it's confirmed to her that they're real, but that message has been a part of her since childhood. So learning that he is the dreadwolf, again not from him, but from the fragments of his past must cut her deeply.
Her love was never who he said he was, she knows this, but who is the real man? She's never known him in a context where he can truly show her. Her love is fragmented between each identity he holds. Her trust that he is who he said he is fragments with it. The knowledge that not only has he been watching the inquisition, her, for years without a single hint that he lives or is okay must destroy her. Could you imagine how insignificant you must feel to him? And he essentially affirms to her that yes, in the greater scheme of things, his love and hers are inconsequential. They cannot matter to him because he cannot strive from his path. His indulgence was a mistake. And it's undeniably cruel. I love solas and I cannot argue that he was kind to Lavellan because he wasn't. To me, there is no way to see his actions as kind. Understandable, absolutely and definitely without malicious intent.
Lavellan learns that he loved her just as deeply, if not more. He loved her with all his heart and it did not matter. She changed him and it has only brought him more pain. He loves her too much to even allow her near him, to even give himself that weakness. They are apart from each other in an endless distance, only the two of them in the world. No one else.
Obviously, each Lavellan is different, and I've made a lot of assumptions, but I think it's worth considering. How do you love someone again after all of that? How much can you rebuild your faith after what you have learnt. Lavellan has loved a "god" (I know he's not a god, but for all intents and purposes, he has the power of a god and wears an evanuris crown.) and in turn, a god has loved her. And he left her with one last embrace that will leave its mark on her forever, then he leaves once more. Lavellan is alone.
Each love after is met with suspicion, distrust and comparison. Lavellan is entirely changed. How many pieces of her can be taken away until she is no longer herself? Each person wears a new mask she cannot determine. Where do they begin? Where can she find herself?
How lonely it must be to love someone like Solas and be at the other side of an endless distance.
#dragon age#solas#lavellan#dai#solavellan#dragon age inquisition#solasmance#solas x lavellan#solavellan hell#solavellan meta#lavellan meta#i love them both#if lavellan has no lovers then I AM DEAD#i love their toxic situationship#i'll defend it till the day i die#a love for the ages#i genuinely believe they'll have a happy ending#<- delusional#again just my opinion#and thoughts#i am of the belief that you can ALWAYS love again and you should always try to move on#except lavellan she gets to be bitter for all eternity me thinks#telanadaswrites
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circular gallifreyan is circular because doctor who is a circular narrative 🌀 when you are a time-sensitive like them you conceptualise everything as a cycle with no beginning or end. including language. which is also music. yay
#simplest meta i have ever posted. also getting plagiarism deja vu i.e. certain i didn’t come up with this but can’t remember who did#dw#doctor who#doctor who meta#gallifreyan#circular gallifreyan#circular narratives#cyclical narratives#storytelling#the narrative#jamie.txt#conlangs#not really i just like attention#eternal return
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Tim Drake, for no reason at all:
Dick Grayson, Tim's big brother in every conceivable way for the past several years:
#DC#DCU#DC Comics#Dick Grayson#Tim Drake#Jason Todd#Nightwing#Red Robin#Red Hood#Robin#Batman#My meta#DC say sike right now say it RIGHT NOW#Like if this was a fanfic it would 100% have the “Dick Grayson is a bad brother” tag on it#It just gives that vibe#Then again so does this entire comic#Batman and Robin Eternal my beloathed#Like I know this was in the New 52 or whatever and I'm really late to the party#But it's still so wild to me how someone can get it so goddamn wrong#DC what the FUCK are you doing#Forget the conspiracy against Dickbabs and TT by Dickkory shippers (lollll)#The real conspiracy is against Dick and Tim's brotherly relationship#They haven't been the same since the New 52 rolled about and I miss them so much#We got a few moments with them recently but that's literally a shell of their former bond#We've lost so much and for what
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🏳️⚧️ DOUBLE HEADCANON ATTACK!!! 🏳️⚧️
Family HCs are already fun on their own but with transness added on they're even better. It's actual comedy gold. Also I've always wanted to draw some kind of Meta Knight VS Galacta Knight type thing, but I can't take anything seriously like that. So you get This.
What This is, is a way too high effort shitpost. It took a combined 2 and a half? Days, though most of it was just sketching. I'm proud of it! Anything for the bit.
Textless version + unfinished doodle under the cut
#kirby#kirby series#galacta knight#galactabro#does he know? (he does not know)#meta knight#trans meta knight#trans mask even. is anyone there. whatever.#my art#my doodles#anyway. the extra doodle was originally gonna be part of the main drawing#specifically the bottom one. i think you can really tell by how much effort i put into it#But in the end it wasn't looking like i pictured it#i was also struggling trying to draw GK's lance in a way that didn't completely annoy me#so i gave up#i also gave up coloring it. sorry#i love colored lineart!#also i swear on my life i intended to shade this#i tried. thought about how it was almost 12 am. and decided against it#i do like how it looks unshaded though#i'm not very good at shading/lighting yet so it would've probably looked muddy#thank god for filters#i hope you guys like mk's wings those were also a source of eternal torment#i'm so happy with how they look though#also. obligatory baby orb. squish him and bake him into bread okay?
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law and luffy are just like. what if I saw you at the peak of your miracle working competence, and then the literal next time I saw you it was at your most isolated and broken. and what if that moment of seeing you alone and grieving and terrified was the moment where I decided you were someone worth keeping, someone who I personally cared about and wanted around. how does that not make you wanna lose your fucking mind.
and then the other thing on top of that which always gets me is the way that you can just so clearly see that neither of them has any idea how to fit this relationship into any preexisting context - Luffy calls him part of his crew, but law is the captain of his own crew and would clearly die before giving that up; law calls them allies but it is glaringly obvious that they care about each other in a way that goes beyond that. of course Luffy is generally a lot less bothered about this than law, who routinely wants to put his own head through a wall about it, but it’s just such a fun layer to their dynamic I think.
#law is sitting there like NO NEED TO DTR. WE KNOW WHERE WE STAND AND ITS FINE. and Luffy’s like yeah exactly we’re besties for life :D#law head in his hands like oh god we DO need to dtr… but luffy has fully moved on that train has left the station and there’s no going back.#sorry bby you missed your chance (debatable if he ever had one LMAO)#anyways back to my first point. like it’s endlessly fascinating to me that they’re initially drawn to each other at their best and brightest#but the moments in which their relationship+devotion to each other are actually cemented are when they’re at their lowest#it’s luffy with his guts on laws operating table. it’s law under doffy w/6 bullets in his chest and still only focused on his revenge#fuck it it’s law alone and at his creepiest on child experimentation island! like that’s the law that luffy looks at and goes YOU <3#this isn’t necessarily lawlu I just think they’re eternally important to each other in a very uncategorizable way.#one piece#op meta#trafalgar law#monkey d. luffy#god I talked a lot down here…. sorry guys……#lawlu
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everyone always talks about That One panel of Trigun: Multiple Bullets, but i havent seen anyone talk about how fucking BATSHIT INSANE the surrounding fight is
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Vash & Wolfwood fighting back-to-back, both using the punisher as a shield
(the rest under a readmore bc this accidentally got LONG...)
Vash seeing the shots coming from behind & purposefully not moving bc he knows if he does, Wolfwood would get hit
Wolfwood getting injured too, but not moving from Vash's back. the way he's stanced, it looks Protective. he's doing what he can to keep Vash out of the direct line of fire.
even when he's getting shot up for it, he Doesn't Move. (this also seems to be the moment he got hurt, which leads into the panel later)
& throughout this whole scene, we are only seeing Wolfwood's reactions.
until the girls give them an opening, and they burst out with THIS:
Wolfwood injured, so he can't properly aim the punisher... and he gets around this by sticking one of the leather straps in his Mouth
and then we FINALLY get to see Vash's face again as he grabs the punisher (with a "GAN" sound effect, so he fuckin SLAPPED that metal hand on the punisher).
Wolfwood trusts him enough to just do what he says in the thick of battle, so we FINALLY get to the iconic panel:
which brings us to the aboslute insanity of what Vash is actually Doing.
"DON DON" -> two shots fired for two missiles launched. he literally manages to TURN THEM AROUND MID-FLIGHT (interesting to note that they seem to have internal propulsion, rather than simply being fired by Wolfwood. how many of these does Wolfwood have? they seem heavy.)
he manages to avert the third missile from hitting the dude directly, and instead makes it land Behind him. then the other two missiles, he rests his arm on Wolfwood's shoulders to hit them and direct them behind the other two enemies
Boom.
killing no-one, but showing an INSANE level of fine control AND teamwork.
and in the end, Wolfwood's arm is in a cast, Vash seems either unhurt or hurt but unbothered by it (typical Vash). And Life Goes On.
(forgot to mention before, but all panels are from @trigun-manga-overhaul! thank u for the beautiful pages)
#speculation nation#trigun#vashwood#fanny reads trigun#fanny's trigun analysis#does this count as meta? it's more a fight analysis than anything else#sure w/e i'll tag it. i'm going pretty in depth into it anyways.#trigun meta#anyways. these 2 drive me fucking insane & this WHOLE fight exhibits it so much#the cooperation... the Protecting each other... the extreme skill...#as it's put later in the manga. 'These two are accustomed to fighting as a team.'#& honestly this is the Perfect example of it.#no id#bc it would take... an Eternity to ID all these. sorry .
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A Radical Messmer Theory
OKAY so hear me out.
I think we're all on top of things regarding how much Marika used to care for Messmer despite the embivalence of their relationship.
On one hand you have the OP healing vials she created for him and him only. You have his love and dedication to her. You have her taking his eye and giving her a seal that both locks the serpent but also hides the fact that he is GRACELESS.
Then you'll have things like how he hates his flame and tried to be rid of it, yet was clearly made to fight with it, in her name. How he wishes for hate and resentment to come to him and not her, yet she seems to have abandoned him.
BUT CONSIDER THIS!!
What if Marika sealed him away to keep him safe?
Because... If you are of the opinion that Marika has orchestrated the entire thing. That she exiled Godfrey and his people asking them to come back stronger because she was laying out a plan... That she hooked Ranni up with numen warriors to engineer Godwyn's death, then broke the Elden Ring purposefully...
And then took her punishment and set out to *wait* for the Tarnished to return and free her from the control of the Elden Beast...
Then it's possible that she veiled Messmer and exiled him to protect him FROM US. From the Shattering War.
After all, we can completely skip the DLC. Killing Mogh is completely optional. And the only reason we enter the shadow realm is because Miquella has discovered something of the gate of divinity and has been cooking up a plan for ages as well.
Miquella got thwarted and has been forced to wait in stasis until someone killed Radahn AND Mogh for ages. The moment he does, we have the opportunity to enter and follow, and because of that we have to kill Messmer.
But Marika's grace leads the way! you argue. Not until a certain point though, and most importantly: once Miquella is on his way to become a god (partially through your actions freeing the tower from shadows) then he becomes someone you need to kill because he's threatening the old order.
Marika is gambling on us, and when Miquella rises, she leads the way towards us defeating him and his consort, and then back to the main purpose.
But there's no reason to go kill Messmer. And if we don't, we can easily stipulate that Miquella's happy go lucky band of misfits also wouldn't have managed to bring him down, trapping Miquella's soul in the of shadows, once more in stasis waiting for a hurdle to be overcome for him.
It makes sense then, that the land of shadows, all considered, is the safest place for one of Marika's children to be. Out of the way. Without a great rune. He protects something she wants to keep secret, but maybe the secret itself protects him.
She sent him on that crusade around the time she married Radagon. Everyone theorises she wanted him out of the way to either have his true nature hidden out of shame or to protect him from backlash at the time, but imo she sent him to seal him away because :
1- she knows he's endlessly loyal and devoted
2- it gets her revenge underway and keeps her secrets
3- it gets Messmer out of the public eye in the moment
4- it keeps Messmer SAFE from the dark shit she's got planned that will wreck the lands between.
The Messmer most beloved son theory! The good Tarnished doesn't play the DLC, or does just long enough to run around but leaves Messmer alive and Miquella forever blue balled.
#messmer#elden ring#messmer the impaler#elden ring sote#elden ring dlc#elden ring spoilers#elden ring meta#shadow of the erdtree#shadow of the erdtree spoilers#theory#lore#meta#elden ring theory#marika the eternal#queen marika
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ana's meta masterlist
Pro-Zutara:
the official zutara dissertation: part 1 | part 2
zuko, aang and taking lightning for katara
zutara and romantic coding
"you rise with the moon, i rise with the sun" is a zutara line
zutara and thematic significance
zutara vs jetara
zutara parallels in the awakening
zutara's narrative culmination
zutara in the crossroads of destiny:
azula vs katara
love as resistance in the catacombs
zutara in the southern raiders:
the true source of katara's anger at zuko
katara bloodbending before zuko
the narrative relevance of zutara
zutara and bloodbending
zutara's narrative symmetry
why zuko had to betray katara in ba sing se
Anti Anti-Zutara:
the official zutara dissertation (p.3)
"zutara would face too much opposition from their countries"
"zuko and katara are a colonizer/colonized ship"
"zuko and katara would fight all the time”
"platonic zutara is better than romantic zutara"
"fire lady katara is racist"
“zuko would’ve taken lightning for anyone”
“katara is too traumatized by the fire nation”
“shipping zutara is amatonormative”
“zuko didn’t actually care about katara”
ATLA Ship Criticism:
the official zutara dissertation: part 4 | part 5 | part 6
why mai.ko was never intended to be canon
mailee is a better ship than mai.ko
how kat.aang could've been fixed
kat.aang's lack of trust in the southern raiders
emotional labour in kat.aang
kat.aang’s narrative imbalance
comparing katara and aang's parenting
the fortuneteller does not foreshadow kat.aang
gendered expectations in kat.aang
ATLA/LOK:
azula/katara parallels
katara's choice in the crossroads of destiny
was zuko's betrayal in-character?
zuko's comments in the southern raiders
zuko's comments in the southern raiders (pt. 2)
zuko is not a “bad boy”
zuko’s treatment of aang in sozin’s comet
sokka didn't feel inferior to katara
did mai fear azula?
comparing mai and toph
azula vs zuko: the tragedy of narrative foils
should aang have killed ozai?
sexism in the water tribes
thoughts on the atla comics
thoughts on the atla comics (pt. 2)
writing a final battle: kung fu panda vs atla
gratuitous violence in the legend of korra
The Hunger Games:
zutara and everlark parallels
zutara and everlark parallels (pt. 2)
gale's arc in the hunger games trilogy
the myth of humanity's inherent evil
the ending of lucy gray
Squid Game:
individualism under capitalism
the ethics of billionaires
#zutara#anti kataang#anti maiko#zutara meta#been intending to do this forever but i'm on this hellsite so much that going through my archives took an eternity lmao#anyway here's a collection of patented ana rambles
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Fun theories/speculation on Taemin’s Eternal, an ongoing masterpost (I will add to this post as I find more cool sherlockwol thoughts)
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2.09 #oh my god they were roommates
never over that we got mutual pining best friends/roommates who find it impossible to live together because their UST is so thick and unbearable it makes them fight about inconsequential things IN CANON. Later when Joe White knowingly suggests that Steve has all that extra space Steve just mumbles that 'it didn't work out' 👀👀
#mcdanno#h50#oh my god they were roommates#h50 2x09#h50edit#myh50#h50 picspam#h50 graphics#domestic mcdanno#mcdanno ust#hawaii five 0#steve mcgarrett#danny williams#mcdanno is eternal#h50 meta#mutually pining idiots
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I'm fascinated by the ways in which the things a creator is good at making don't necessarily line up with the kind of art that they respect or even enjoy.
This has haunted me ever since I saw a Youtube video about the downfall of The Band Perry, a country band that I had liked until their music got weird and they kind of fell off the face of the earth. Well, it turns out that they tried to reinvent their image and their style of music several times before the band finally fell apart. When they started, they had this weird Southern Gothic homeschooler style that really worked for them and was reasonably popular, but then they tried to switch to a cooler type of pop music--a style they supposedly admired and enjoyed--and it just did not work at all. They failed because they chased what they wanted to make instead of sticking with the style that they were good at.
It's a tension that's present in all creative work. At one point does "going outside the box" go too far? Can one be happy making good work even if it's not the kind of stuff they like or admire? Are the techniques and styles that are most appealing to us appealing because they're things that we can't create ourselves? As in, our minds don't work that way, so seeing these things from other creators is exciting, but the fact that our minds don't work that way is exactly why we can't imitate those things. Where's the line between creative integrity--pushing yourself to make better things--and pride--wanting to make something more prestigious and impressive instead of humbly making the type of art you're best suited to make? Can one even clearly see what they're best at making, and appreciate the good that's there rather than chasing after styles and techniques that seem better? There are no solid answers, which is why I'm going to be endlessly thinking about this.
#adventures in writing#this came to mind again because i watched the jim henson documentary#and there was always a tension between the things he was good at making#and the things that he wanted to make#like they mention that a lot of his best performances were on sesame street#his particular brand of innocence did fit well there#but he didn't want to be stuck as a chlidren's creator and chased all these weird adult ideas#most of which were amazing and creative and brilliant#but also there's a loss of peace and family that comes with that eternal striving#and you wonder what he could have done if he'd put aside that pride and striving for prestige#(thinking about these things a lot)#(because i'm in a mood not to read or watch stories)#(but to read or watch *about* stories)#(watch analyses of franchises i've never seen)#(find out about the creative process)#(which is an excellent mood for creating imaginary book recs)#(which is just furthering these meta thoughts)#(that i have to just spew because they're not going into meaningful order)
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"And what about all these orcs? By the end of the war, Sauron is gone but all of the orcs aren’t gone – they’re in the mountains. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles? The war that Tolkien wrote about was a war for the fate of civilization and the future of humanity, and that’s become the template. I’m not sure that it’s a good template, though. The Tolkien model led generations of fantasy writers to produce these endless series of dark lords and their evil minions who are all very ugly and wear black clothes. But the vast majority of wars throughout history are not like that."
People often parade the "what was aragorn's tax policy" as a famous grrm quote, but often ignore this one which follows, which is way more interesting and reflects better the priorities of George as a writer. And it's even more interesting how the man himself proceeded to answer to this question with Elden Ring, specifically with Marika's backstory and her subsequent genocide of the Hornsent.
Marika herself seems to be the character that's hero whose journey has long ended, the little girl whose village got razed and came back for vengeance against the evil, demonic looking overlords who killed her family and stuck them in jars. But, this time, we are shown full on her vengeance, she did pursue a policy of genocide, she had pacific churches that had nothing to do with the jarring of shamans, cause old women to be imprisoned and battered t best (and at worse SA'd if you intepret the Grandam's lines in that way), and have baby hornsent in their little hornsent cradles (as the Hornsent dialogue that plays if you don't summon him for Messmer says). We are fully shown the length that the hero's "rightful vengeance" and "reconciliation of the land", and by lord above if it isn't an awful, brutal one
#grrm#elden ring#shadow of the erdtree#queen marika the eternal#hornsent#meta#ig??#also pls dont make questions about tolkien not because i dislike him but because i am far from an expert lol#tho tolkien fans input in this is always welcome!!#i just find fascinating the way martin answered his own question#marika oooh marika. you might actually be one of my favourite characters not only of grrm but also in fiction#you wonderful puzzle of a person
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Every time someone writes anything re: the Arrows (esp Ollie) and treat it like they have these like Bat-level strict morals or just otherwise being really "strictly principled"???? it drives me crazy. Like I don't wanna be "you haven't read the comics" but... They haven't.
Ollie, very famously, killed not only Parallax (something which was very difficult for him bcs Hal was his friend, for all their fighting), but also the Electrocutioner (for killing Lian, maiming Roy, and destroying most of his city). There was that whole thing in Crossroads when he worked with Huntress, Catwoman, and Deathstroke, and was killing criminals with guns! Killed a man torturing Dinah! Hell, even further, at least once he helped someone who he considered to have been justified in killing someone escape the law!
I'm pretty sure literally all of his proteges have harder lines than he does (Jason criticizes Mia for limiting her angles to non-lethal in Seeing Red, Oliver being shown to use more brutal methods in a team up with Roy in comic I admittedly don't remember the exact name of & Connor disapproved of Ollie training with the guy who trained Deathstroke to learn the "killing arts" re: 1YL, tho idr if that was more of a killing disapproval or a "dad, really, this guy is awful tho???" kinda deal. Uhhh... Emiko might be an exception to this probably, at least inasmuch as you can consider those two his proteges given I don't think Ollie really trained them that much/they mostly came to him like that). Hell, when Mia killed someone he wasn't mad about her killing so much as that it was her (an innocent kid) that did it!
In the marriage comic, Dinah had apparently killed Ollie in self-defense! (Before concluding that it hadn't been him despite all evidence to the contrary, ect., ect., ect.)
Roy worked for the gov't and definitely killed for them when it was called for. Fell in love with an assassin and walked away instead of turning her in or killing her like he was probably supposed to do despite knowing she'd likely go on to keep killing more people (You could call this a statement on his love for her, which on some level, yeah, but on the other level shows that his lines aren't so well-defined.) The only reason he hadn't killed the Electrocutioner himself is bcs Ollie got there first. For all the complaints re: RHATO/RH&A they are still considered current canon (to an extent, I think some specific things around it might be retconned?) & he has killed in there too.
Emiko as a former assassin/being trained & raised to be a "perfect killer" by Shado I feel is rather self-explanatory.
There's probably more but I'm runnin' out of steam here. Anyways. My point is that while they're not exactly actively murderous vigilantes, they FAR from have some kind of no-kill rule. They'll typically try something else first, but when lines are crossed (like their family) or there doesn't appear to be a better solution that would actually work, they're plenty willing. They're not "Batfam 2.0 but lamer and not as powerful," which seems to be the predominant interpretation most of the time.
#dc#dc meta#oliver queen#green arrow#Roy Harper#Arsenal#Red Arrow#Speedy#arrowfam#Mashing Meta Bones With Axel#yes Ollie did also have a mental breakdown the first time he killed an animal as a child and again later when he first killed a criminal#Both of which were Accidents. & after Parallax bcs Hal. & felt that he didn't fit with the JL anymore bcs of Crossroads.#& IIRC he did get imprisoned for Electrocutioner & accepted it w/o remorse#Mia also broke down after her kill! She begged Ollie to tell her it had to be done bcs that was the only reason she did it!#Connor is probably the Most Hesitant to kill in the entire family I think. Him &/or Mia. Possibly Lian but she also is Baby and should Not.#I am so so so so sos sos os sos so so so tired of fanon (esp batfanon) giving them a no kill rule#I Might be CURRENTLY more fixated on bats rn but my love for the Arrows is eternal.#Yeah they're largely liberal hippie freaks (said as an affectionate Joke) but. Not so liberal they ain't got a very sharp stick for badguys#or the occasional bullet. Which both Ollie & Roy have used at various points of their history.
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