#tw mentions of fakeclaiming

[screaming-heart]

okay, so if yall don't know, recently(ish? idfk) there was a video of a clinician using tiktoks from did creators as examples of "imitated" did. i hate that, and i think we all hate that, but i want to talk about a specific thing he was saying.

from what i understood, this guy said that those with DID always present with shame, embarrassment, and discomfort about their condition, and are always or almost always in a crisis state. now, for obvious reasons i think thats bullshit, but i want to mention one specific thing.

those in crisis do not always appear to be in crisis.

i am someone who is not terribly functional. on a normal day, things such as having to make myself food, having to interact with people, or being interrupted doing something are likely to make me upset and angry. the thing is that i was not allowed to show that growing up. when i was in crisis, i had to learn how to hide it and how to keep going on with my day like nothing had happened.

that is basically what did is. from what i understand, did exists to keep the person functional while horrible things are happening to them. it keeps the person functional while in crisis. so the idea that did systems must always be visibly in distress or else they are faking seems to be like utter bullshit.

and also for using the videos of content creators who did not consent to that usage with no regard for their privacy i hope this guy is as embarrassed and shameful as he thinks we need to be.

[snow-on-mtsilver]

i HATE posting about syscourse but like i need to address this

most (but not all, i get that) pro endo posts we see are like: haiii ^.^ we're pro endo/endogenic/not traumagenic/not disordered so pls do not interact if ur an anti!!!!

meanwhile most (again, not all) anti endo posts that we see are like: ENDOS FUCK OFF!!! ENDOS ARE NOT REAL ENDOS ARE NOT REAL ENDOS ARE NOT REAL ENDOS ARE NOT REAL ENDOS ARE NOT REAL ENDOS ARE NOT REAL ENDOS ARE NOT REAL ENDOS ARE NOT REAL ENDOS ARE NOT REAL ENDOS ARE NOT REAL ENDOS ARE NOT RE- ALL ENDOS ARE HORRIBLE PEOPLE!!! ALL PRO ENDOS ARE HORRIBLE PEOPLE!!! THEY WILL RUIN THE ECONOMY!!!! THEY ARE STEALING OUR RESOURCES(said resources most likely being either therapy which, not really stealing the resources since it's not exclusively for systems, pluralkit, which i'm 99% sure is pro endo, and simply plural, which i'm also 99% sure is pro endo (especially since they both use the term "plural" which i see much more commonly in pro endo spaces))

[delphientropy]

(i say "you" in a loose manner and do not actually talk directly to the reader most times. because what i say may be a little upsetting snd it looks like im yelling i just want everyone to be safe)

hey fucking DNI if you think its okay at any capacity to post me or other systems on systemscringe. fuck off. fuck. the hell. off. youre not high and mighty for gatekeeping system experiences. youre not better than anyone for claiming someone who youve NEVER FUCKING MET IN YOUR ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE IS FAKING SOMETHING. YOU CANNOT TELL. YOU CANT. END OF FUCKING CONVERSATION. YOU ARENT A PROFESSIONAL, YOU ARENT BETTER THAN ANYONE. IN FACT IM BETTER THAN YOU. I AM BETTER THAN YOU. SO SHUT THE FUCK UP.

(this post isnt about endos. endos are not systems. theyre something entirely different and should not be in system spaces. stop forcing yourself in mentally ill peoples spaces and utilize your fucking block button instead of harassing me for dekais sake im sick of it.)

[puppyoclock]

average DID study: we assessed TWO people (representative of the entire DID population) who were diagnosed using the DSM negative twelve (which the dinosaurs used). we told a story and then asked them to tell us ONE thing about it, then gave them a score of how well they remembered the story based on the vibes of what they told us. they remembered anything at all, so the conclusion to take from that is that they were probably making everything up. more research needed

[unfamiliar-ghostly-girl]

Endogenic systems can have trauma. Endogenic systems can have those scary distressing symptoms of trauma. Endogenic systems can be unhappy with their systems. Endogenics can wish they weren't plural. Endogenics can have flashbacks and amnesia. Endogenics can have headmates who hate them and do bad shit.

Endogenics. Can. Be. Traumatised. Pretending like every single endogenic would clutch their pearls at "real traumatised people" is fakeclaiming and invalidating peoples trauma.

[ellipse-society]

So I think there may be some misconception about what can be considered ableism. The disorder itself doesn't need to be mentioned for what someone says to be ableist. For example with DID there are many misconceptions that people use to be ableist(cw fakeclaiming). For example it's just demonic possession, it's just a trend you are copying from social media, or it's iatrogenic(your doctor convinced you you have it). Any of those misconceptions can be used against you without the disorder being mentioned and still be ableism. If it is a common misconception about a disorder that is similar to what you are talking about experiencing there is a good chance that the way the person came to that conclusion is by thinking about the disorder making it still ableism.

[the-100-percent]

Guess what (not out yet) endo system had to hold back tears when their mom was talking about how endos aren't real! 🤫🧏🎉🥰

Oh oh! And guess what? She kept bringing up "Alastor" as a sign they are faking being a system! And guess who was co-fronting with me when this was happening? 🥳🥳

-🏳️‍🌈

[thecouncilacesideblog]

Breaks my heart to see anti-endo kids

Like

Most of the time, it's probably a case of "I'm suffering, and can only find peace in suffering, and anyone who says they're not suffering while having xyz must be faking/wrong/ect"

There's so much you guys don't know yet

It gets better, it really does

Closing your mind and heart off to others; you're only hurting yourself

There's more to systemhood and plurality than suffering

There's more to systemhood and plurality than "trauma olympics" and disorders

You deserve peace, community, and safety

I'm sorry you're so full of hurt that you can't accept plurals/systems that aren't the same as you, that you hate what you feel you can't have

I genuinely wish you all well; that you find healing in whatever form you need

- An endo-safe disordered traumagenic system

[cccat-in-a-meat-sack]

Guys, apparently if you use neopronouns and you're a system you're faking )):

Sorry to be the one to inform you )):

[sappy-sabbath]

as a society can we stop making mental illness/neurodivergency trendy and romanticized. i know more mf who faked claim than ppl who actually had the condition. at the end it just makes the people who are diagnosed with the condition the butt of the joke or look disingenuous.

ALSO IF I MAY be real for a sec!!! it’s because of the “destigmatizing XYZ 🥺” tiktoks and self diagnosing that make this happen, i know they are good intent and not all people have resources but its one thing to be concerned about your mental health and another to claim to have a disorder that you haven’t been diagnosed with!

autism, ADHD, schizophrenia, BPD, bipolar disorder, psychosis, OCD have all became quirks than serious debilitating condition and as someone with ADHD and psychotic depression IM SICK OF ITTTT, it’s different with things like depression and anxiety bc you experience that at least once in your life but it’s getting out of hand

[antiendovents]

Hi it's us we were the last anon lol. This is the experience we mentioned.

Trigger warnings for death, harassment and fake claiming and other general things that are just vaguely mentioned

shit, I'm really sorry that happened. I'm not sure what exactly to say but that is just so fucking frustrating. You didn't deserve any of that, everyone involved except for you was incredibly childish. Sure maybe going to her profile and laughing at her posts wasn't the best thing to do but she did it to you first. Don't start something if you know you can't finish it. That group and it's moderators are fucking pathetic too, harassing someone over a claim that had no proof to back it. They all seem like angry, bitter people who just want an excuse to be mean and to target people who they see as vulnerable. It's just so pathetic of them, for a group that claims to be anti harassment they're so quick to harass people over stupid shit

I really hope you're okay. You deserved none of this. You are awesome <3 (platonic)

[angrysystems]

Already blocked this fucking idiot for coming at me for no reason, BUT…. Surprise surprise! His entire account is full of homophobia, panphobia, disgusting takes.

Don’t fucking come at me if you’re nothing but a pathetic bitch who only complains about sexualities and systems. FUCK SINGLETS.

You’re nasty as fuck and stay off my page. I don’t care for your homophobia, panphobia, fake claiming bullshit!!!

[cavityinmybrain]

something else that made me personally change my ideas on syscourse was that my system didn’t function like a lot of anti-endos. i relate much more to things that people say are “faking.”

not everyone in my system is aware of themselves as a person. we dont know how many there are, but we have a lot of fragments. pieces will show up and front with specific memories and we can target where they’re from and they’ll never front again. my system kept going entirely dormant/unaware for months repeatedly. i got worse amnesia about my life and lived experiences. i felt like i was doing it all for attention. except its been happening for as long as i remember.

seeing people poke holes in others experience to say they’re “faking” was really bad for my denial. now im seeing a therapist and thats kinda helping.

so yeah, when you fakeclaim, you hurt people who experience whatever looks “fake” to you.

[median-culture-is]

median culture is your system sliding down to the more singlet end of the spectrum and fakeclaiming yourself a bit till you remember that your sys moves around on the spectrum. (I feel a bit silly, I don't know how I just forgot about that.)

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[thelookoutsystem]

Something needs to be said: Fakeclaiming is INCREDIBLY mentally damaging, and it's never acceptable. No matter HOW justified you feel doing it.

Especially regarding systems, if you don't 100% know with undeniable proof that a person is "faking" being a system, fakeclaiming them can harm them in ways you would never even think about. Most systems (diagnosed or not) deal with denial on a very regular basis. DID/OSDD is a covert disorder, literally designed to hide itself from the person who has it. The brain will attempt to "logic away" any of their symptoms and chalk it up to delusions, a wild imagination, faking for attention, etc. So when you target a system who likely is already struggling with these thoughts and say "yes, you ARE faking this disorder", you're validating an incredibly harmful train of thought they are already having.

If you think a person is faking a disorder, fakeclaiming them will only give them the attention they want. If you think they're wrong about the disorder they have, then that's not a valid excuse to harass or fakeclaim them. There is genuinely no good excuse to fakeclaim anybody, as it will encourage genuine fakers (which are VERY few and far between) and discourage actual systems from talking about their experiences and discovering themselves.

[circular-bircular]

hi, have you ever read "normal dimensions of multiple personality without amnesia"? i really have no idea how to read these kinds of things but i'm super interested in them, and from my very lacking understanding of it, i thought it might be some validity for endogenic plurality? but again- i really don't understand these things so i'm probably misunderstanding. so! i was wondering if you had any thoughts on it, and perhaps could explain it in simpler terms for those of us who haven't learnt to read these things :)

Hello! Yes, I have unfortunately read that article. It is a fakeclaiming, ableist abomination, in my opinion.

A summary of my thoughts: The authors of the piece, in an attempt to "prove endogenic plurality," suggest that DID is fake, that those who have DID just "gave themselves" the trauma, and that the only pathologic part of DID is the amnesia those systems face. It uses the Fantasy Model (a version of the False Memory Model, wherein people just Fantasize their trauma) to fakeclaim a diagnosed system from a case study.

I wrote an entire debunk of the article over on my alternative blog.

I am disgusted by the researchers of this article, and I'm glad you sought out someone to explain a bit more. If you don't want to slog through that full link, I can give a bit more analysis below (rather than the liveblogging I need to do to get through articles such as that one, since I also struggle with dissecting medical literature!)

TW below for fakeclaiming of both systemhood and multiple types of trauma (sexual, physical, neglectful, etc)

The authors base their study on the idea that children experience shifting personality in adolescence, and argue that this is non-pathological. This is widely accepted! Someone shifting personality traits as they grow up is absolutely not the same as DID. The authors go on to argue that the amnesia criteria was added in the DSM-4, and go further to argue that so-labeled "high-functioning MPD systems" could actually be "totally normal people with multiple personalities with no amnesia."

(Note: "totally normal people" is a lovely touch of ableism, as if people with DID are not normal, and totally normal high-functioning systems without amnesia already have a label. OSDD.)

The methods of this study are so minimally described that I fear my 6th grade students produce better lab reports in their science classes. A survey made by the researchers wherein only one subjective personal response on their own criteria indicates dissociative identity disorder, because it 'totally correlates to the DES, trust us guys'. The sampling is even shorter and negligent to the point of feeling purposeful.

Part of the way through the article, they shift their hypothesis. In the start of the essay, they set out to prove that multiplicity without amnesia is a normal experience and that trauma is what causes amnesia. Here, they change the hypothesis to be a bit reversed; that multiplicity is normal, and in DID, amnesia is imposed upon an already functional multiple system. If your red flags have not raised yet for the fakeclaiming, they should be up now.

Especially because, yep, they go on to fakeclaim a case study, Frieda. This individual was diagnosed with DID. This article claims that most traumatized people do not dissociate (with no source for this claim, particularly because the claim is batshit), and that "fantasizers" like Frieda (you know, a woman with severe trauma) just... imagine their feelings to be fully fragmented parts!

It seems to be that they try to argue that these imagined parts are what every system experiences, and people get amnesia if they imagine they should (as seen by their accusations of Frieda's fantasizing).

BTW: Frieda was orphaned as a child, raised in orphanages where she was abused, neglected, and without proper food and shelter, and then molested by soldiers in the war she was living through. The article skips almost all of her traumatic childhood and suggests that, after being raped (while the original case study states "molested"), she gained amnesia for the event, which made her imaginary friend into a disorder.

So... yeah! There you have it folks: all systems are just made up, and DID/OSDD is caused when those systems (who are making it all up) actually experience something that causes amnesia!