#fake claiming tw

[compassionatereminders]

"Of course I support real disabled people, I just hate all the fakers" just isn't in any way a reassuring statement when every disabled person has been accused of faking at some point

[auschizm]

Maybe it's less about me "not seeming" like I'm mentally ill/neurodivergent, but more about some people being unwilling to re-contextualize their negative judgment of me as the ableism it is

[custom-emojis]

I’ve decided that any and all anon hate I get in the future is gonna be pitted against other anon hate I get in a poll and battled out gladiator style for which insult is worse. Gives me something funny to do with it since I get rude anons semi regularly and these days none of them are funny enough to publish on their own.

The two contestants!

Contestant A;

And contestant B;

Some additional information to sway your vote regarding each hate anon!

I’m not even a DID system, we have OSDD-1b (medically recognized)

I do in fact identify as pan and gay. So at least contestant A is correct in their assumptions

I am in fact fat! So contestant B at least got one part right

I am proud of my gay pan identity so not much Emotional Damage there

Fake claiming is stupid so also not much Emotional Damage there either

Now, time to see them battle it out!

Poll lasts for one week. There is no prize for the winner, as I am the winner for being able to make funny posts off of people trying and failing to get under my skin.

The tag I’ll be using for this is ‘anon hate arena’. So block or whitelist as you please.

[system-of-a-feather]

McLean Hospital DID Video Controversey; Our (+ our Fiance's) Take

I'm really going to probably primarily summarize our takes in this post. If you want to see my raw chicken scratch notes (changes from scratch to REALLY scratchy due to me putting back on my finger brace for my sprained pinky) you can try to decipher them here. If there is any part you want me to translate, reblog and/or send an ask or something, but ya know

I have a saved copy of the video here.

Anyways some context to mine and my fiance's background and relevancy to this topic that reflect our opinions and biases on the topic

Me: I have been diagnosed with DID for a while. I've been on social media (briefly on twitter for 2 seconds, but arguably I think one of the larger DID blogs on tumblr maybe? *bless invisible follower accounts*) and use it with a DID focus on one of my social medias. Used to follow DID Youtube. I am also a research nerd and actually, back in university, would try to find time to come out to seminars like this at the place I used to be a research intern on. I very much enjoy these environments and seminars that summarize present concerns and ideas in the research community. I've also basically cleared "stabilization" phase of DID and according to some have achieved what might be considered "functional multiplicity" yet am still progressing with my recovery.

Fiance: He's my partner since 2016 and has been actually living with us for about a month now. He's a communications major with specialization on advertising and marketing and as a decent part of his education focused on how social media is being used and how that stuff plays into effective advertising. He also has a close relationship with his mom that - until he started dating me and I got diagnosed - did he not know that she also had DID as she is of the type that is very ashamed, confused, and embarrassed by it. Between the both of us though, when his mom, him, and I go out to dinner, he is really the only one checked in and its kinda really funny cause he looks like the weird one for not entirely spacing out.

Yes, we made this a mini date night.

Anyways, the point.

The seminar had a lot of really good points, a few alright points, and a few really EHHH points. They also did directly use videos without censoring the users or doing much to protect their identity / reduce risk of harassment which I do feel is problematic cause he did - in part of his discussion about social media and DID - acknowledge that harassment is viral in the DID community for both people who have it and people who don't. I think that in itself is the largest issue and the largest fuck up that he really should honestly put an apology out for imo cause he really did comment on how huge of an issue it is, and did little due diligence to not add to it. While I don't think that is "malpractice" it is unprofessional. Do I think we should take his license for it? No. Do I think he should be held accountable / he owes an apology for that? Yeah probably.

Beyond that huge fuck up, the overall take away I got was that his concern for malingering / maladaptive use on social media on people who DO have DID and those that don't but might think they do / might be faking is absolutely valid and I do think it is someting that needs to be talked about; however he presents it in a kinda problematic way with a clear attitude and perspective that is both very (ironically) trauma stuck and - as my fiance and I started putting it in our conversations - "Boomer Takes"

He comments on how a lot of it is very flashy, performative, and sensationalized and comments on how that can be harmful / dangerous and I do agree, but I also don't think that inherently has anything to do with validating or invalidating how their diagnosis.

I DO absolutely agree with him calling out the trend of monetizing the disorder which I have strong opinions against and I do find it extremely uncomfortable for people to be trying to monetize the disorder outside of genuine extreme situations where support is needed.

I had a lot less of a notable take on the comment on the switches being overt because I actually never seen someone switch in person (his mom is very covert and not the most talkative about hers), but my fiance had a very loud laughing fit over how dramatic and weird they were commenting that neither of the ones he showed looked anything like either of how me or his mom show things.

There was a REALLY good S tier section on the Fantasy Model VS Trauma Model as well as how DID forms and the nature of it in the middle that I think was actually VERY well done and informative and I would like to chef kiss the air at it.

Again, there were a lot of good points to it and it was informative but I do have a few complaints.

The overall issue I find with his rhetoric are

a lot of his points sound mostly anecdotal which is not really the best (he did have some studies but, a lot of "this is not what we see"

he really has a set mindset that seems to summarize to "if they are not completely shocked and traumatized when they switch and are used to it, then they are faking / malingering" which is pretty problematic

he doesn't leave room for the fact that some people with DID do heal and recover from trauma and while most might be experiencing it in a way that is horrifying, people DO heal and discounting the lack of shame and acceptance as reasons to suspect malingering / faking is kind of problematic and against healing ideas

he doesn't leave account for generational gaps in how mental health is approached and while he focuses a lot on how people are inappropriately using DID "content" he only brushes over and vaguely hand gestures at what he would suggest "healthy" usage to look like which once again doesn't serve to be the most productive of conversation

his very understanding of the disorder in short is very dependent on the idea that people with DID "are usually ashamed" and "very traumatized" which the latter is true but again, healing exists

a point my fiance brought up is that while he has a lot of good concerns and points, a lot of his points come from anecdotes and how he "doesn't see these things in his practice" but he never really talked to any of the people he is commentating on the behavior of and the thing with social media is those with the largest following tend to be the extreme ends of whatever niche they are in so it is likely that those with extreme followings likely have extreme (ie atypical) experiences of the disorder simply by the nature of how the disorder is

Anyways, theres probably a few more details worth commentating on or transcribing from my notes but my pinky is sprained and i already wrote a shit ton for this so Imma give it a break and not type it all up.

TLDR: its not the best delivered video but it does have its merrit and the overall concept / concern is valid and important, but the dudes a boomer and has an issue of "poor traumatized and broken meow wows" about people with DID that is kinda annoying and out of touch

TLDR 2: Guys he didn't do fucking malpractice. People who are saying he did malpractice honestly need to get off the internet and learn how to use those words correctly cause yall are watering it down. (insert world heritage meme on the word 'gatekeeping' and 'gaslighting')

Absolutely feel free to reblog/send asks for more elaboration and all on it, but thats just my notes and take from it.

[chronicsymptomsyndrome]

Can we please for the love of god stop telling teenagers they’re too young to have aches and pains. Can we please stop being dismissive about these things. Fakeclaiming is disgusting period, but it is exponentially harmful to youth. Just because you didn’t start hurting until your 20s or 30s or 40s doesn’t mean every teenager complaining of chronic pain must be lying. I learned the hard way that if kids are invalidated enough about this, they will just learn to accept constant pain as a fact of life. And then they will need surgery they can’t afford in ten years bc it turns out constant pain is NOT a fact of life. At any age.

p.s. same goes for mental health

[attentionneedyqueen]

Rating R/syscringe comments about me!

My original post and The reddit post <3

Tw : Ableism

User 1 :

Uhm 💀

[RATING: 1/10. Boring, but straight to the point.]

User 2 (top 5% commenter) :

so it's gotten to the point they're just loud and proud about it, yet they're still getting away with this? real classy, if it's not bait i'll be really annoyed.

[RATING: 8/10 No, dear redditor, it is not bait. I am being #deadass, /Srs, if you will. A little trueposting on main. Imoblogging. Favorite out of the bunch as it makes us plurals sound like some evil movement]

User 3 :

They’re right in that there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting validation, attention, and to be more interesting! But there are unhealthy ways of going about getting there.

→ User 4 (replying to 3) :

We need to normalize requesting attention. Normalize saying “hey, I’m lonely and/or bored and want someone to talk to.” Normalize saying “Hey, I feel like I’m being ignored.”

[RATING: -0.0010/10 PLZZZ ADD SOME PIZZAZ PLZZZ. Well at least User 3's kinda based.]

User 5 :

ew

[RATING: 0/10 because one less letter and no emoji unlike the first one. I like to think I'm fair ]

User 6 :

At least they have the guts to accept that DID faking is typically done for attention. I’d prefer this attitude over a “NOO!!1!!1! EVERY SYSTEM IS VALID AND U CANT FAKECLAIM CUZ UR JUST A SILLY JELLY SINGLET WITH NO MEDICAL LITERACY OR COMPASSION FOR MY OBVIOUS SUFFERINGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHGRRR>>:(((“

-> User 3 (Replying to 6) :

Right? I would prefer this over “gusss I HATE having DID why did our Martha Washington factive do our homework by candlelight with all the lights off”

[RATING: 3/10 NOOOOO USER 3!!!! YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE BASEDDDDDD!!!!]

User 7 :

Jesus fucking Christ man. On Christmas eve?????

[RATING: 8/10 Christmas came 341 days early :3]

User 8 :

Fuck them, so tired of this fucking bullshit they do and in a way it's fucking worst when they are fucking open about fucking faking a fucking horrible mental illness, fuck them 😤

[RATING: -5/10 ohmygoooodddddd cheer UP! People with a disorder just have a disorder ! Not the fucking bubonic plague cursed apon them from Bhaal. Fucking "horrible mental illness" is like sooo varied from person to person.]

User 9 (1% commenter) :

Finally they admit to being attention seekers

[RATING: 100000/10 LOUD AND PROUD BROTHER!!!!]

CONCLUSION :

Well, that was fun! Honestly I hope more people do stuff like this. Being posted on that subreddit can be a super fun experience (but only if you make it be/want it to be)! At least for someone like me LOL.

I also find it amusing that they make us sound like a bigger problem than we actually are. It'd be adorable if it wasn't just a smidge concerning.

Anyways! PLZZZZ TAG ME IF YOU RATE COMMENTS FROM THIS SUBREDDIT ON YOUR PLURAL POSTS!!!!!!!!!! PRETTY PLZZZZ!!!!

[snakeautistic]

Fake claimers are so perplexing to me because half the time they’ll go on the social media page of a autistic person, look around, decide they must know better than the owner about their neurotype and immediately start bullying them FOR THEIR AUTISTIC TRAITS.

‘Hey this person has very niche and unusual interests they post about constantly and they don’t realize people are being mean to them on their posts because they take the sarcastic comments literally … and they claim to be autistic?!, How absurd let me make fun of them for being weird.’

[livingfictionsystem]

"I Think Someone's Faking DID."

You're not their mental health professional. You do not live inside their head. What you see on the internet is only a small window into someone's life and point of view. No one owes you a professional diagnosis, either. But that being said, there are so many other explanations.

People have mistaken other disorders for DID.

I've seen people first think they were a system and ended up learning those voices were a symptom of schizophrenia or psychosis. Or that the splitting between 'selves' was Borderline. I've even heard of someone mistaking a brain tumour for having DID. There are other dissociative disorders that do not result in plurality. Maladaptive Daydreaming has a pretty remarkable Venn Diagram to DID as well. It is okay to consider different possibilities and it is alright to be wrong. People are trying to identify a disordered brain with that same disordered brain; there's room for error. Not to mention, many disorders share common symptoms. This is not faking DID.

These people still deserve support and everyone has the right to explore their identity. They are not lying and they may discover otherwise as they continue to learn and grow.

"But I think this system's faking! Their switches are too convenient, their presentation is too glamourized, that's not how the disorder works---"

Fun fact, people with DID and OSDD can actually force aspects of their plurality, both intentionally and unintentionally.

Hear me out:

You've just figured out that you have DID. It is a startling fact that there are people living in your head that can take over like a ghost possession out of a horror film. You start to map your system. After all, all of these popular systems already know all of their alters, right? Well, you know one dissociative state that abuses substances, you're a victim of SA, and you're a fan of Hazbin Hotel, you figure you probably have an Angel Dust fictive! The rest is just confirmation bias.

(No hate to Hazbin fictives, that was just the first that came to me.)

You want to know it all and you convince yourself you know it all. Because otherwise, you're admitting that you're clumsily feeling around in a darkened room full of people that may be hiding from you. And those alters may be the mirror image of your abusers, may be parts of your system you've repressed and can't admit to, parts of your system you can't understand. They may want to hurt you or the body. That's scary.

You're not lying if you've accidentally convinced yourself. I've seen people build an entire idealised system on top of the system they actually have.

Or, if you've built a platform off of your systemhood, you may recreate or 'fake' switches for the camera, even if you do experience them authentically off-screen. You may even force switches. You may be subconsciously exaggerating your symptoms to fit in with all of the other systems you see on social media, especially if your community is full of other systems.

That doesn't mean you're faking DID. You should still be held responsible if you're spreading misinformation, though.

"Okay, but I know for a fact this person is faking! They're the type to lie about having cancer and stuff, they made up a dark backstory that never happened, and forged diagnostic papers!"

This does happen. People can completely understand that they do not have DID and fake it anyway. Malingering has existed long before TikTok had ever heard of Dissociative Identity Disorder.

Generally, people that do this are seeking attention and validation. They may not have gotten enough of either in their life and do this out of other mental illness. That being said, you know they're faking. Congratulations.

Now.

What the hell are you going to do about it?

You cannot cyberbully someone to stable mental health.

You cannot harass someone out of maladaptive behaviour.

You are not going to scare an attention-seeker away from harmful actions by giving them more attention.

Honestly, the more you ignore it, the better chance there will be they'll stop. Arguing just gives them more motive to double down. Disengage and move on.

If you want an excuse to bully people, just say that. But these people are human beings. If the people are spreading misinformation, correct it with sourced information. If they are harming the community, those actions should be criticised as an example of what Not to do.

But harassment campaigns solve nothing.

-Xanthe Zeitstück

[scaphismx]

Imagine sending this ask into a space where people are sharing/seeking support for their trauma.

Fucking loser. Doesn’t even have the balls to do it with their account.

TW: Fakeclaiming

[compassionatereminders]

And don't kid yourself into thinking that you're helping "real" disabled people by viciously attacking people you think might be faking their disabilities. The best thing you can do for disabled people is taking our words for who we are and what we need. Creating an environment where you constantly have to defend and explain yourself against accusations of faking will in fact harm the "real" disabled people you claim to support

[auschizm]

I'm not sure if this is an okay place to rant because I don't know if I technically count as both autistic and psychotic, or just autistic, but I need to vent to someone. I just got discharged from my local Early Intervention Psychosis team after only one appointment because I'm "not paranoid enough". So now I guess I'm just meant to deal with the increasingly bad hallucinations and other stuff by myself??? My doctor has referred me to talking therapy but it's a months long wait list and they always insist on a limited number of sessions of CBT, even though CBT doesn't work for me because I'm autistic and I know I need long term therapy, but I can't afford private. I'm very glad we have free healthcare in my country but often it feels like the systems are designed to just ping pong you between departments without actually helping with anything.

I'm really sorry that you aren't able to access the treatment you actually need, and you're in your full right to be upset about this.

[lefluoritesys]

Hey idk if you wanna know this but just in case this post of yours was posted to r/fdc and one of the replies I think too :( I'm really sorry and hope y'all haven't been getting any harassment or anything idr if ur user was in the post

"Do you really believe you have DID?" No, DID believes in me, and a bit too hard.

In other words: people will always be assholes. If they are so miserable that the only happiness they get is shitting on others, we can't help them. I think this is a free promotion (advertisement)! :D

Their desire to fake-claim us without a medical degree or learning literally anything else about us and our lives doesn't take away years of living with it, years of experience, and literal people in my head. And we're not even planning to get diagnosed, though that's just my ADHD side-tracking me...

Also, why are you on such subreddits, my friend? They can damage your mental health pretty hard. Are you not looking out for your well-being over there? 👀

-host

[unfamiliar-ghostly-system]

FDC users posting and talking about how hard it is to be a fakeclaimer will never not be funny.

Yeah, I'm sure it's really hard to be a fakeclaimer who's constantly making sure that the disabled and mentally ill people around them aren't faking. You definitely don't make disabled and/or neurodivergent people uncomfortable because of the sheer amount of harm and bullying that has comes from the SubReddit you engage in. It must be especially difficult knowing that fandom, LGBT, and mentally ill spaces have openly mentally ill and disabled people in them.

[chronicsymptomsyndrome]

Nobody is “too young” to be cynical or jaded or hate their life. There is no appropriate age for that. If someone is experiencing that at any age, their mental health is at risk. Doesn’t matter how young they are, or how easy their life seems. Just because existential dread didn’t hit you until later in life, doesn’t mean everyone else gets to be so lucky.

“You think life sucks now? Just wait until you’re grown” okay grandpa what if they don’t make it to adulthood? What if it gets worse until they only see one way out and they take it? Stop being dismissive. Stop forcing your problems onto young people and start taking them seriously about things. Period.

(Inspired by this post)

[didderd]

i've been confused about this for a while now, and i just keep seeing it. people who have "anti-endo" or "non-traumagenics dni" etc. in their bios or posts.

it confused me bc after looking into it, i found that endogenic is just a term for another type of system.

it immediately rubbed me wrong that people are excluding these people simply for what they are.

and after doing some research, i'v realized that it's fake claiming culture...

if these people make you uncomfy, sure you don't have to interact with them, but you do not live in their head. you can't decide if they have a disorder or not.

same shit happens with tic disorders. people with tics claiming that someone else is faking simply because their tics don't look the same, or they happen differently, etc.

as someone who can't fucking stand fake claiming, i have to say something.

fake claiming is never ok

full stop.

someone's system developed differently than yours? works differently than yours? they'r different than you, that is all. don't assume they're just lying.

and if they are lying, they are not doing as much damage as you would be doing by accusing them of such, and it turns out they'r not lying. don't take that chance. i'v heard how much fake claiming can take a huge tole on someone's mental, even ruin their life if it gets bad enough. and usually it's not even true.

if you want to know more about these systems, here is a link too an article, made by the people who proposed the terms. and here is an important part of it:

"The terms traumagenic and endogenic, which are now often used to try and divide the community into “fake” and “real” systems, were never meant to be used as such. We proposed them, and a few other terms, back in mid 2014 just as a way for people to move away from medicalized terms, to help phase out the term “natural system”, and give non-medicalized systems words they could use to better describe their experiences.

Endogenic simply means, a system not formed from trauma or other negative life experiences. It doesn’t mean they never experienced trauma, just that it isn’t what formed them. It doesn’t mean “healthy” or “non-disordered”. Endogenic systems can and sometimes do experience amnesia, dissociation, distress, and dysfunction. There are quite a few hypotheses out there for how endogenic systems form, but in the end, we just don’t know how the brain works in regards to plurality. It could be psychologically, physiological, spiritual, who knows. The point is, endogenic systems exist and are a completely valid expression of plurality."

lastly, i want to say, if you are an endogenic system, i believe you. you are valid. you deserve to exist.

and if you'r a fake claimer, DNI. unfollow. get off my blog.

[necroneol]

TW SA AND ABVSE MENTION

okay hi, i know this is unusual for this account but i just wanted to put something out there. apparently my stuff is going around on the fake disorder cringe reddit which is..well. it is what it is. i just want to say some things.

if you have a problem with me grow up and say it to my face. hiding behind reddit is pathetic. i have said it a million times before but what you see here is a mere fraction of my life and my experiences. some people on reddit were saying that my idea of “abvsive” is most likely me just whining because i have to do chores. and ill say that im sorry for you, and i feel for you. you sound very lonely and hateful and sad and isolated. i hope you can find something better. truly. i will never understand how people see content online and assume they know some hidden truth, like theyre the only one who can see through the lie.

you want the truth? the truth is that i Do whine when i have to do chores. and i cry when my mother takes away my food as punishment. and i close my eyes and take it when she hurts me. i do what im told because i know what happens if i dont. i keep my secrets inside, and i keep my mouth shut, not because i want to, but because i have to. because every single time i even attempted to tell my mother about any of the sxual azzaults i endured, half of which were perpetrated by my own family members, she told me i was so ugly that no one would want to touch me like that, so i must be making it up.

so yeah. i whine when i have to empty the dishwasher for the third time in one day when there are at least 4 other people in the household capable of emptying a damn dishwasher.

i am lucky enough to have these moments of normal, every day disappointment and frustration. i am lucky enough to have time in between to complain about doing the dishes. you are lucky if you have the time to put strangers down behind the safety of anonymity for no reason other than you can and youre bored.

my life is real. just because you cant fathom it doesn’t mean it’s fake. my diagnosis is real. i am real. find a better hobby and learn how to love yourself.

thanks so much to anyone reading and to everyone who’s supported me so far. i finally have hope in my life. i am forever grateful and i hope these insecure people can find some hope of their own one day. we all deserve it.

happy holidays and merry christmas!