#c: discourse

[apol]

This is so funny yall

There's people out there getting into the dream smp bc of this mess

10/10

[dizzying-waves]

All I'm gonna say is this, these designs are good when you don't have an annoying person in your ear telling your they are bad, mid, or a letdown down from their previous designs

[todoggukie]

Final Fantasy VII Rebirth (2024) dev. Square Enix

[beelzeballing]

having your two favorite arcane characters be viktor and mel AND shipping jayvik at the same time is like. on one hand i cannot stop collecting w's but also the whole fandom has it out for me cuz the jayvik shippers hate mel and the mel lovers hate jayvik. why cant we all just hold hands. why must we fight.

[thejolteonmastertj]

I really need ppl to understand 99% of the reason why Rulie's portrayed the way he is in fanfics is a combination of two factors:

1.) Jojo actively encouraged the fandom to write fanfic long before she even decided to make an actual long-form comic of her own.

2.) During this time period, & for quite a while after that, the majority of what the fandom had to work off of for Rulie's personality is from this doodle page, & this description for his personality literally straight frm Jojo herself.

... 2.5.) It should also be noted Jojo hadn't played Adventure Of Link until about halfway through the Sunset arc, as evidenced by this post (we know this is Jojo's sister b/c the official LU tumblr credited her for one of the goofy Sky panels).

Now, since then the way Jojo portrays Rulie didn't change drastically overnight, the Magic Sword comic did happen beforehand for instance... but I do think the level to which Jojo plans to focus on particular traits from Rulie's original design has evolved over the course of development for the comic.

More recent (and, uh, mostly discord-exclusive, so I can't give too many details here) commentary from Jojo indeed emphasizes plans to highlight Rulie's determination above all else, quite contrary to how she used to describe his character (it hasn't changed, probably, it's just a matter of plot-driven emphasis).

Fanfic writers aren't stupid, we're literally just working with what we have-AND, Rulie himself, as a very nuanced & layered character, is going to be portrayed in wildly different manners depending on context & genre.

If you want to see more of Rulie's sassy side,

1.) Read more recent fics (Alas you will likely have to search by recently updated, as the first wave of popular fanfic tends to get enshrined forever at the top of the list when searching by kudos & comments.)

2.) Don't read angst (Sorry not sorry but angst & vent fics are going to make up the majority of works in any fandom, & in these fics a character's vulnerable side tends to get spotlighted. Don’t like don’t read.)

3.) Respectfully Ask for recs instead of barging in & just straight up telling fanfic authors what to do. That's rude.

[cloverstellar]

insane to me that some people still think that you can say ctommy and cdream are separate and should be viewed separately narratively speaking when a big chunk of the dsmp’s story was driven through cdream’s obsession with ctommy. no im not saying cdream was in the right but its no fun to see people water them down to just cdream using ctommy as a side piece and less like an objective he had to conquer and subdue to fit his regime. or turn around and say ctommy’s story did not revolve much around the abuse he sustained from that in the same breath because it DID and. man. man

[bugflies00]

OKAY so what ive been thinking about for ages is ctommy and being soft vs quiet . because i feel like it's one of those things in his fandom characterisation that sparks the most debate and in my opinion theres a huge difference between the two but i keep seeing people mix them together.

ctommy is soft but he's not quiet, and to disregard either of those things is what makes him less believable in fanworks imo

because on one hand, of course he's not quiet, that's the most obvious and i think one of the most commonly accepted qualms that we have with general fan interpretations of him. he doesn't just lie down and take shit, he's always committed to being an annoying shit, he's straight up rude so often, and even just. vocally. man's loud as fuck. i think that's pretty easy to establish .

but then what i find is that sometimes we veer into the other opposite, by completely denying that ctommy is also very soft sometimes. and by this i don't mean he turns into strawberry shortcake or starts being polite or whatever, but it's the fact that he's not just crass and rude. he's very considerate a lot of the time, he just shows it. uh. in his Own Way let's say. he cares for animals so so much, he's always so apologetic when he thinks he's hurt one of them, for fuck's sake he sung to the FLOWERS. he's very soft with nature, with things he's attached to, with things he perceives as weaker than him and needing protection.

the complexity of ctommy and what makes him so hard to grasp is that he's loud, he's brash, he is NOT a perfect quiet victim who suffers in silence, he asks for help, he's rude, he steals stuff, he's annoying as shit; but he's also soft, and incredibly empathetic, and he has no shame in showing that softness for animals or nature or his friends.

ctommy, and this is very much because cctommy himself acts like that a lot, is constantly vacillating between someone with the maturity of a thirteen year old boy who shouts and swears and pretends not to give a shit, and a boy who will stop everything he's doing to look at the sky or a flower or an animal (which does contrast his stereotypical rude teenager persona, because lots of aforementioned thirteen year old boys Would be embarrassed or whatever to do that).

he does BOTH. he's not just quiet and nice and sad and lonely; but he's not just rude and loud and """uncaring""" (if there is one thing ctommy is not i think we can all agree its UNCARING).

and i think this is why a lot of debates around "woobifying" ctommy (who remembers the july 2021 trenches . the butterfly clips.) tend to point any ctommy design that portrays him as soft, cozy, or even leaning into his feminine side as the be-all end-all of reducing his character.

in reality i think that misses the mark a bit because while there IS something to be said for sure about people turning ctommy into Blonde Anime Child #249824 and stripping him of his Very Vibrant character, i don't think that putting him in butterfly clips and skirts erases him in the same way. i think he could very much lean into that kind of thing . as long as he's still flipping off the camera we're all good

TLDR : fans strip ctommy of his loud-and-annoying persona but in avoiding that some forget that he's a character who's not afraid to be soft

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

ambrosius: internally freaking out at the fact that he accidentally chopped off his lover's arm, never intentionally hurts ballister, only turns against nimona because he wants to protect ballister

catra: takes every opportunity to consciously and intentionally torment adora as much as possible in all existent ways, shows no hint of remorse for any of her actions and continues repeating them till the end

fans: omg y'all only hate c//a bc you're lesbophobic, goldenheart is the EXACT same ship but you like them bc they're men

[carto0ncritter]

I'm sorry but I genuinely can't understand how people can look at Stolitz and Catradora and think these ships are healthy in any way, shape or form.

Stolas r*ped Blitzø. No, consent given in a life-or-death situation doesn't count

Stolas is racist towards imps, and this didn't change even when he "fell in love" with Blitzø

Stolas doesn't appreciate or respect Moxxie and Millie in the slightest (and was disappointed that his "Prince Charming" wasn't the one to rescue him)

He looks down on Blitzø and calls him things like "impish little plaything" and "his big dicked Blitzy" and doesn't stop treating him like shit even when Blitzø says loud and clear that he hates being talked down on like this (DUH)

The only thing Stolas knows about Blitzø is that he hates books and the only thing Blitzø knows about Stolas is that he's a boring bookworm. Keep in mind, the two figured this out about each other while they were kids, 25 YEARS AGO, after Blitzø was bought so that he could be Stolas' "friend" for ONE DAY

Stolas doesn't love Blitzø for Blitzø. Stolas loves the *idea* of Blitzø. The bird man wants to live a romance that is just like the romances in his cheesy novels. He wants to ride into the sunset with his one true love. He wants grand romantic gestures. He wants his "Prince Charming". Except, Blitzø isn't the type of guy for such sappy displays of affection, he never was. Especially combined with his trauma. And as soon as that other imp guy asked him to dance, Stolas not only accepted the offer, but Blitzø was no longer on his mind. And no, I don't think being drunk is proof that Stolas didn't mean what he had told Blitzø. Drunk people find it easier to say what's really on their mind after all

Blitzø fell in love with his abuser. This makes sense, actually. The guy always pushed everyone away and never got to experience true love, and now that he has the chance to be "wanted," even if the "relationship" is toxic, he finds it hard to let it go

As for Catradora, the things I wanna say about this ship have already been said throughout the years, but it all boils down to these things:

Catra mentally, emotionally and physically abused Adora

Catra had no problem ending the whole entire universe if it meant she'd finally be better than Adora

Catra was a war criminal and a fascist

Catra was responsible for what happened to Glimmer's mom and never apologized, let alone faced consequences

Their relationship was toxic even when they were kids

They were both raised by Shadow Weaver and were the only ones in the Horde who saw her as a mother figure, thus making the ship straight up incest, with even the official source material calling them sisters (adoptive siblings ARE REAL SIBLINGS!!!)

Catra got exactly what she wanted in the end (the girl she's always been obsessed with and dependent on) and, once again, faced 0 consequences for her actions

The show (and C//A stans) fetishizes abuse. As a SA survivor, I felt physically sick during the final episode, where the abuser ends up with her victim/sister and they kiss

In short, these ships are disgusting and the lgbt community deserves better representation

[ouchiemyspine]

'cop' is new tumblr buzzword. not everyone u disagree with is a cop. u cant make a 'terf' variation for every group that excludes anyone. words have meaning. the world doesnt revolve around u

[rambles-of-mental-illness]

May I complain for a moment.

My biggest pet peeve in psychology and the nd community is seeing every thing that falls under being neurodivergent labeled as “this is an autism thing”.

No. It’s not an autism thing. It’s an ADHD/Autism/OCD/C-PTSD/etc thing.

And it’s not like I don’t understand, it’s social signaling to try to find people like you. It’s saying “does anyone else with autism experience this” without saying it in that manner.

However.

It’s very frustrating to see things that are experienced over a wide spectrum of neurodiversity always watered down to “it’s autism”. And some of the things people like to say “this is an autism thing” are just things that are normal human experiences.

What it does is it waters down the meaning of autism until *everything* looks like autism, and perpetuates the idea that any neurodivergent behavior *has* to be autistic behavior. Which leads to people getting misdiagnosed, or self misdiagnosing.

“I struggle with social cues I must be autistic.”

NO. NO. YOU COULD HAVE OCD. YOU COULD HAVE ADHD. YOU COULD BE TRAUMATIZED. YOU COULD HAVE A PD. YOU COULD HAVE A DISSOCIATIVE OR PASSIVELY PSYCHOTIC DISORDER. NOT EVERYTHING IS AUTISM AND IF YOU JUST JUMP TO ITS AUTISM YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND YOURSELF AND YOU WILL GET THE WRONG TREATMENT AND THE WRONG CARE IF YOU TRY TO JUST LABEL EVERYTHING AS AUTISM

And then you will wonder why the symptom management doesn’t work. And you will think there’s something wrong with you when the wrong treatment doesn’t work for you. And all you’re doing is hurting yourself.

Not everything is autistic behavior. Not all neurodivergent behavior is autistic. I get so frustrated seeing normal neurodivergent behavior labeled as purely autistic traits.

And maybe this rubs me even worse because I got misdiagnosed with autism when I needed an adhd and ASPD diagnosis. And I couldn’t get the right care for years because of it. I had to give myself treatment for my ASPD and I’m still fucking struggling to manage it because I have *never* had the resources and I’m doing it from scratch all on my own. And I have NO fucking clue how to manage my ADHD, and I’ve never been able to manage my ADHD, and I can’t get medication to help my ADHD because I still don’t have an official diagnosis nor do I have the means to get one and this would have been solved YEARS AGO if it wasn’t all chalked up to “high functioning autism”.

There are other forms of neurodiversity than just the autism spectrum. The idea that all neurodivergent behavior is autistic behavior *hurts* people. And it’s so normalized to treat all neurodivergent behavior as purely autistic behavior that people who do not have autism at all or exhibit signs of it will see *one* trait that is a shared neurodivergent trait and seek treatment for autism because there isn’t any *breathing room* for other neurodiversities to exist in the media and in practiced psychology these days.

And it’s getting better. Slowly. But there are things we can change in our day to day speech and the way we talk about neurodivergent behaviors and traits to speed up that progress in recognition and support of neurodivergent disorders outside of just autism (and ADHD has this issue too to an extent but not nearly as severe as autism).

[spopsalt]

What show's title is vs how it actually is

What the show's title is: She-Ra and The Princesses of Power

What the show actually is: Watch Adora get abused by Cata for 5 seasons straight then date her abuser, also FEEL BAD FOR CATRA

What the show's title is: Helluva Boss

What the show actually is: Watch a gay soap opera while the abuser gets victimized and while the victim gets demonized. Watch the victim form a trauma bond with his abuser. ALSO DON'T YOU FEEL SO BAD FOR STOLAS DONT YOU WANT HIM AND BLITZO TO DATE!?

What the show's title is: Hazbin Hotel

What the show actually is: Watch who is supposed to be the female main character get pushed to the side because men. Get introduced to a whole Lotta plotholes and rushed story telling as we stuff the plot into the last 2 episodes! Enjoy the boring/rushed/toxic romances as well!

[t4tpumpkinduo]

can i be honest and true. i do wish ppl paid more attention to cq's brownness and how that textually plays into the way he's treated and viewed by the majority white cast. despite how many examples there are, i'll focus on two of the biggest ones: cdrm is Extremely Ghoulishly Racist to charas like mex dream and cwilbur canonically does racist loaded digs to cq and rejects him frm lmanburg for being mexican specifically. even if cwil didnt mean the latter some type of way, it's still smthing cq is Actually Very Hurt By and he says as such. like. cq is capital m spanish is his first language deeply in touch and proud of his culture cowboy outfit spanish music mexican masculinity beliefs hard work ethic make a name for yourself si sé ass MEXICAN. it's a massive glaring issue i see all the time of ppl being unwilling to engage w what that means for his story arc

[antispopausandstuff]

Adora's Underwritten Psyche

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list of unexplored, underdeveloped opportunities granted that the writers didn't take for their main ( keyword - main ) protagonist:

being the next poster child of the Horde, desiring Shadow Weaver and Hordak's approval.

Shadow Weaver putting not only the responsibility, but the life of another child ( a volatile one, at that ) in her hands when Adora herself was, at most, 10 years old.

her promotion of Force Captain, which would mean she would be responsible for more lives, while she herself is still a child.

being different from her peers for unknown reasons, and being antagonized for it from a young age ( by Catra ).

constantly having to cater to Catra's person, often including her mood swings and sadism, to either avoid conflict or to make Catra happier.

not only her entire world being turned upside down, but having to fight the only people she knew as family.

being so incredibly sheltered and manipulated that she doesn't even know what an aunt or a party is, showing she was completely unable to have even a modicum of an actual childhood.

not knowing her own culture, home planet, people, biological family, if they ever wanted her, and being given away.

Mara. Mara.

Catra's repeated, increasingly violent betrayals, her hypocrisies, manipulations, etc. after abandoning Adora, while claiming she was the one who was abandoned.

likely feeling even more responsible for Glimmer, Bow, and Angella's lives, a part of it out of immense guilt.

being repeatedly harassed // stalked and assaulted by Catra.

being repeatedly harassed // stalked by Shadow Weaver.

Entrapta's "death". and her betrayal.

being drugged, kidnapped, and essentially nearly "leashed" by Catra.

the Portal. Corrupted Catra. everything.

Angella's sacrifice. with her Atlas complex, there's no way Adora should've been as stable as she was after seeing someone, quite literally, for all she knew, die for her.

Glimmer blaming her. i get it, but it felt like the show quickly made it so that Adora was more upset about not being enough for her than the fact that, y'know, she was the only one blamed for someone's, let alone Angella's, death.

the Heart of Etheria.

Horde Prime's invasion. you cannot convince me she wouldn't feel at least somewhat responsible for that.

Horde Prime telling her, to her face, that Eternia was gone.

Catra being back in her life.

Chipped Catra. no, not for shipping angst reasons.

Catra antagonizing her again, for literally no reason.

Melog being the last of their kind, Adora being the last of hers. maybe not psyche-related, but it certainly should've affected her way more than it did ( which was p much not at all ).

Shadow Weaver. oh, wait, sorry, i forgot that only Catra has trauma related to Shadow Weaver /s.

the Failsafe.

Catra antagonizing her for the umpteenth time, for no reason.

Catra abandoning her, for no reason.

the Failsafe.

but she's just a dumb jock lesbian who's in love with Catra, right? that's alllll that matters. /s.

[bugflies00]

people are saying this about c!quackity now and it's the same vibe that they were saying about c!wilbur after his finale (for the "utah = death" believers. Which im not. but its in that perspective).

the idea that a character wanting to die and feeling like it's their only outcome (whether because they feel it's deserved or because they want their suffering to stop. or both) does not. does not actually mean it is. you guys know that right. you understand. we don't need to go over the whole Watsonian vs Doylist thing do we. do we.

this isn't even me discussing whether the ending was an appropriate choice on cc!quackity's end (thats another post and one i have neither the interest nor energy to make), its about people using c!quackity's POV as a suicidal character to justify the Narrative Choice of making him kill himself. him FEELING it's his only outcome DOESN'T MEAN IT IS. do these people understand the implications of their words when they say these things and imply that a suicidal character feeling this means it's an accurate assessment.

and its Exactly what utah death believers would say about c!wilbur after his finale. Shit about how it was the only good outcome because he's hurt people and there's nowhere else for him to go. its like when people say "c!wilbur is a bad person..." -> mildly justifiable statement despite the very restrictive/binary view on morality "...because he said so" -> WHAT! WHAT!

Like these takes genuinely baffle me because most people i encounter on a daily basis on here, despite their sometimes abysmal takes, have an understanding of mental illness that is at least MARGINALLY better than this. "mentally ill guy hates himself so what he says about himself must be correct."

i dont understand what goes wrong that makes people say these things. Because this is truly not revolutionary stuff i'm saying here. like im pretty sure "if you have issues your brain will lie to you sometimes about who you are as a person" is like. General Understanding Of The World 101. so like. whatever. im gonna go play the sims 4

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

Not fanart unfortunately, but still blog-related (with my amateurish skills in editing):

The original artist and stans find it funny, but me? My face is 😳😨😱 since I found it to be prophetic.

Sorry for making you see it like Tumblr did to me (again) 😞😭.

please don't harass the artist of this fanart!

yeah, i don't it hard to believe that fans find it cute. the original scene with frozone and his wife was funny because firstly, it was a one-off scene and doesn't imply any abusive relationship between them.

and secondly, because the whole theme of the movie was about superheroes trying and failing to live a normal life. frozone's wife has the right to be upset about him cancelling dinner night to go help out mr incredible because this wasn't the first time and she probably just wanted a peaceful life with her husband.

but applying this to catra and adora doesn't work because catra isn't some harmless civilian who is just trying to live a normal life, she's an ex-war criminal who actively participated in the war and contributed to adora's savior complex. she has no right to tell adora to prioritize her over the safety of etheria when she was part of the reason why etheria needed saving.