#fuck catra

[66kenobi66]

I hate when I'm ranting about how I dislike a character or how they were poorly written and some idiotic stan of their comes in and starts diagnosing them with like 55687876 mental disorders/disabilities to excuse their behavior/writing.

"Uh-um-uh-ah- this character has BPD, lactose intolerance, autism, ADHD, and supercalifragilisticexpialidocious-ism so you CAN'T SAY that they're a bad person for abusing/assaulting their partners and friends!"

News Flash: Having trauma/a disability doesn't excuse shit!!!

((Also: "If you think piling disorders on a character instead of just writing a well-rounded character to begin with is 'shitty writing', go fuck yourself!" I can't believe how stupid some people can be...))

[carto0ncritter]

People are so desperate for LGBT representation, (specifically gay and lesbian couples), that they're willing to accept literally any homosexual ship regardless of the concerning elements.

Let's see, we have ass ships like

1)Stolitz - Stolas is an abuser, a r*pist, a racist man who has so many powers yet is emotionally fragile, passive and wimpy, a man who victimizes himself over and over, a man who emotionally neglects the child who desperately needs him for his sexual fantasies with his victim, a man who is the creator's pet, a man whose actions aren't wrong according to the writers, a man who can just blame everyone else around him but himself with no consequences

2) Catradora - Catra is an abuser too, but was treated like a cute kitty cat in s5 despite having done atrocious things, she was instantly forgiven with no consequences, and she ended up dating her sister and the biggest victim of her abuse

3) Huskerdust - I haven't talked about this one so far, but Angel sexually harassed Husk and never apologized, Husk himself sang "Loser, Baby" and as a SA survivor I felt like he was trying to say this to Angel: "Oh, you've hit rock bottom because of SA? It's your fault lol, accept that you're a whiny bitch and a loser even tho the problem is extremely serious and out of your control and just suck it up, I'm a loser too despite not going through the same thing you have, you're not alone in being a loser BUT YOU ARE STILL A LOSER BABYYY A LOOOSER" Like, ik the message was supposed to be how we're not alone in our struggles and how there's always someone who will understand and make us feel less alone, but the way this was handled rubbed me the wrong way. Also, I'm not sure whether or not to mention this as well (screw it, I will), but Husk is described as "the old bartender," his voice sounds like it belongs to an old dude too, and he apparently died when he was like, 70, while Angel died in his 30's. I'm not gonna calculate their ages based on how it works in Hell because personally I feel like it doesn't matter. What matters is how old they were when they were alive. But however you decide to look at their ages, it's not just the implied enormous age gap that bothers me, no... it's more so the difference in maturity between Husk and Angel. Husk is described as a dude who has seen and experienced a lot of stuff. On the other hand, Angel is clearly immature and there is this weird... emotional imbalance between them? It's like a mentor dating his apprentice, at least that's how I see it. I'm not saying dating someone who's 40 years older than you is morally wrong (if you're both adults) but IT IS WEIRD imo, especially since Angel & Husk are not on the same page when it comes to life experience and maturity. Oh yeah, I also don't think Angel should be in any kind of romantic relationship... for his own good

[antispopausandstuff]

you guys know the s5 scene where catra left adora to die?

here's another thing i noticed.

she's apologizing for dying. while it's really fucked up, it is within adora's character to apologize for something she couldn't control. i can't recall, but she did something similar to glimmer and bow a few minutes prior to this.

however, while the writers may not have intended for this, adora is also apologizing for this:

now, you might be drawing a blank at how this is correlated to her apology, until you remember what exactly catra and adora were talking about here:

adora is about to die.

originally, the conversation was about adora somehow choosing shadow weaver over catra ( which did not happen ), but when catra wasn't winning the argument, she shifted it to be about adora practically being led to her death.

catra's wording starts out as her acknowledging that adora doesn't have a choice in this ( which goes against her earlier reaction to just crying and running away from her when she gets the failsafe ), but then it changes its tune and becomes an accusation of choosing this path, when adora has been forced to take this.

basically, adora is apologizing to catra in the finale as if to prove that catra was right, even though she's literally dying right in front of her.

and catra never apologizes for leaving her.

speaking of which, would this apology even work on catra?

because we all know the real reason she left.

she left because somehow, someway, she twisted the entire conversation and everything related to shadow weaver as adora actively wanting to be around their abusive mother, despite showing multiple cases to catra herself that she doesn't.

adora doesn't like being around shadow weaver. she doesn't like her at all. she may not want the woman to suffer harshly, adora did heal her when she was sick, but she doesn't want to be around shadow weaver if she doesn't have to be.

and catra knows that. there's several instances throughout the show that she's smart enough to see and understand that. she even uses a torture method sw used on her previously on adora and swift wind in the previous season, because she knew it would severely hurt her. especially since catra, for whatever reason, put the electrocution on steroids.

so, it's not like catra has been blind to adora's distaste, she just chooses when to acknowledge it.

catra sees adora eventually dying as 1. choosing to die and 2. choosing shadow weaver over her, in this current scene.

adora has no idea catra thinks this way, so her apology for just dying is not only really fucked up, but is most likely entirely pointless.

these two don't see the same problem. at least, not the exact same one. catra may still be pissed off at adora daring to "choose" the universe over death, for daring to choose the lives of literally everyone on the motherfucking planet over herself, but she's still more upset at adora "choosing" their mother over her.

so, what is adora apologizing for exactly?

yes, for dying, but how does catra see it? knowing catra, the best case scenario is she probably sees it as adora apologizing for being "wrong" ( because she says "no matter what happens, i am staying with you", but then gaslights adora into staying ), and for choosing their mom over her, even though neither of those are true or correlated within the context.

this level of thinking is on par with stans, so i'm not surprised catra herself acts this way.

it sure did hurt my brain when i realized it, though.

[maydaysmadness]

Watching She-Ra and the Princesses of Power for the first time and I think one of the things that gets me the most is Hordak and Entrapta's relationship, idk if it's romantic but regardless.

She's showing the dude actual understanding as a person.

Making him him feel like more than just a failure.

He's more than just the failed clone of Horde Prime, and he's seeing someone else as more than just a tool.

He finally made, at the very least, a real, genuine friend.

Hell Entrapta was even willing to forgo doing SCIENCE IMMEDIATELY because she wanted to spend more time with him.

When the portal was finally finished he didn't even put it on himself, he knew it was all her, and he could admit it.

He wanted her to see their crowning achievement.

Catra and her bold faced lie.

That face broke me.

Just like that lie broke him.

[transbian-amityisreal]

rewatching spop not cus im a huge fan of it but im in the mood to be actively slandering catra

also glimmadora content so yknow

[bat-circus]

So I hate catradora and Catra with my whole fucking being so I decided to make a oc to ship adora with because adora deserves better then that ugly ass cat please don’t mind how shitty this looks I’m sick

Marigold is a moth person (Luna moth) she was a newly appointed healer, she lived in a village with her parents and 5 siblings but the village ended up being attacked and raided by the horde leaving the village destroyed and bloody, Marigold and five other people were the only survivors The survivors consisted of three children a teen a very injured adult and marigold they had to take refuge in an abandoned greenhouse, they were in the greenhouse for a week and a half before being found by glimmer adora and bow and a few other rebellion soldiers, They were then taken back to bright moon to rest. With marigold being a healer her and adora became very close because she would heal adora a lot. She’s lesbian and asexual

[starryrock]

So funny how I absolutely love villains/characters that are just genuinely fucked up. They have almost no redeeming qualities, they get limited screentime, they’re brutally stubborn in their ways, they hate everyone, they will throw others under the bus, they are just plain negligent. I will find joy in the most annoying of characters.

Yet I hate Catra from She-Ra. After the first few episodes, I just never liked her again.

[mediocre-stoned-dragon]

tall, fair, mean little bitches with muscles up to here, do me so dirty. i am thinking of them always (bisexual edition)

[66kenobi66]

REAL!

Catra, Alastor, Stolas, Darkstalker, etc....

I hate to sound like a old man yelling about how things were better "back in my day", but what happened to good character writing?

i hate it when people’s idea of a “complex character” is just a bad guy with a tragic past. or someone who is an asshole but has expressed emotions ONCE. like no babes, that’s the most base-level characterization you can give to a character.

[elainiisms]

you ppl love villains/morally grey characters UNTIL they're a woman, then all of a sudden they are annoying, evil and irredeemable

[66kenobi66]

Writing Villains/Antagonists: Do's and Don'ts

DO: Actually show your villains/antagonists doing evil/morally bad things!

DON'T: Make them "evil" out of nowhere with no explanation!

DO: Show your villains/antagonists as being explicitly in the wrong!

DON'T: Downplay/justify their actions as good or "not that bad".

DO: Hold your villains/antagonists accountable for their actions and make them correct their mistakes!

DON'T: Give them a slap on the wrist/some trauma to justify their actions!

DO: Notice that even if your villains/antagonists have trauma/pain, it doesn't erase their misdeeds.

DON'T: Use their trauma as a wat to say that their actions don't matter/are completely forgivable.

BONUS TIP: It's ok to make a pure evil villain with not much moral complexity, just don't make them boring!

[carto0ncritter]

I'm sorry but I genuinely can't understand how people can look at Stolitz and Catradora and think these ships are healthy in any way, shape or form.

Stolas r*ped Blitzø. No, consent given in a life-or-death situation doesn't count

Stolas is racist towards imps, and this didn't change even when he "fell in love" with Blitzø

Stolas doesn't appreciate or respect Moxxie and Millie in the slightest (and was disappointed that his "Prince Charming" wasn't the one to rescue him)

He looks down on Blitzø and calls him things like "impish little plaything" and "his big dicked Blitzy" and doesn't stop treating him like shit even when Blitzø says loud and clear that he hates being talked down on like this (DUH)

The only thing Stolas knows about Blitzø is that he hates books and the only thing Blitzø knows about Stolas is that he's a boring bookworm. Keep in mind, the two figured this out about each other while they were kids, 25 YEARS AGO, after Blitzø was bought so that he could be Stolas' "friend" for ONE DAY

Stolas doesn't love Blitzø for Blitzø. Stolas loves the *idea* of Blitzø. The bird man wants to live a romance that is just like the romances in his cheesy novels. He wants to ride into the sunset with his one true love. He wants grand romantic gestures. He wants his "Prince Charming". Except, Blitzø isn't the type of guy for such sappy displays of affection, he never was. Especially combined with his trauma. And as soon as that other imp guy asked him to dance, Stolas not only accepted the offer, but Blitzø was no longer on his mind. And no, I don't think being drunk is proof that Stolas didn't mean what he had told Blitzø. Drunk people find it easier to say what's really on their mind after all

Blitzø fell in love with his abuser. This makes sense, actually. The guy always pushed everyone away and never got to experience true love, and now that he has the chance to be "wanted," even if the "relationship" is toxic, he finds it hard to let it go

As for Catradora, the things I wanna say about this ship have already been said throughout the years, but it all boils down to these things:

Catra mentally, emotionally and physically abused Adora

Catra had no problem ending the whole entire universe if it meant she'd finally be better than Adora

Catra was a war criminal and a fascist

Catra was responsible for what happened to Glimmer's mom and never apologized, let alone faced consequences

Their relationship was toxic even when they were kids

They were both raised by Shadow Weaver and were the only ones in the Horde who saw her as a mother figure, thus making the ship straight up incest, with even the official source material calling them sisters (adoptive siblings ARE REAL SIBLINGS!!!)

Catra got exactly what she wanted in the end (the girl she's always been obsessed with and dependent on) and, once again, faced 0 consequences for her actions

The show (and C//A stans) fetishizes abuse. As a SA survivor, I felt physically sick during the final episode, where the abuser ends up with her victim/sister and they kiss

In short, these ships are disgusting and the lgbt community deserves better representation

[antispopausandstuff]

i understand the audience at large wanting more fantasy-diverse casts in high fantasy shows ( largely looking at SPOP and the anti community here ), but even if the designers really didn't want to do that, their designs still could've been interesting by having an actually diverse cast.

like, look at pokemon. there's thousands amongst thousands of human characters, yet at least 90% of them look distinct and have features, colors, and clothing that make them stand out from their specific group(s). sure, there's patterns, but that's bound to happen with how many they make.

or, for lesser known media, kipo and hilda are shows with good character designs, human and creature alike.

even with low budgets ( which was p obvious in the show, i don't know why people still say it has a 'beautiful art style' when it's very generic ), it's not impossible to have good, simple, effective designs.

and! the concept art for SPOP had better designs! if you look up the concept art for adora's princess prom dress ( i don't have too many issues with it, i'm just someone who likes a little flair ), she has her hair down in most of the sketches and i'm p sure one of them is the dream outfit ( which means that they've had this design for ages and just didn't use it until s5, for some reason ).

and the SPOP bible just has a better look for adora, catra, and glimmer, imo, especially adora. her hair is so cute! and the outfit was the original with minor changes, so people who shame the original for 'sexualizing minors' ( they're adults, idiots, and they were never in compromising situations for no reason ) can shut their trap cuz nate literally did the same thing. by the looks of the designs, if i had to guess, they were older as well, at least 18 and up.

so, i don't believe that a lower budget means that they have to have a generic style or designs, esp since the show does have the occasional nice one ( young teen catra, lonnie, shadow weaver imo, mara, light hope ).

i don't know if i'm recalling this correctly, but i feel like one of the reasons mara is a good design to me is cuz she has a different nose.

[mermaidteeth1111]

Ugh I love this scene so much!

I know Adora has so much inner turmoil. She does love Catra, she always has, even in her worst most horrific moments, she’s never stopped loving her. And for that she feels so fucking guilty. She bares the burden of all the people Catra has hurt even though she did everything she could to stop it. Still, she sees the good in Catra and she fears no one else will.

At the same time, Adora has never allowed herself to want anything for herself. It’s always been about serving those around her.

So it is some serious character development when Adora admits that she wants to go back for her. I think that’s when she starts to accept her true feelings for the first time and heal. 🥲

[yourhighness6]

Shadow Weaver: I have raised Catra and Adora to be so strong

Glimmer: You fucked up some perfectly good lesbians is what you did. Look at them. They've got anxiety.

[manic-sapphic]

just chiseling away at my jagged stone heart