#anti vivziepop

[cinnaspec]

Cw: SA mentions

Verosika is a sexual predator and SAd Moxxie. I don't think she's overhated but the things the fandom has said about her is really telling about how sexist the vivizepop community is. Very sexist to call why woman character a bitch, a slut or a whore in any circumstance.

Octavia and Verosika did NOTHING wrong. Octavia has the right to not like her dad who ignored and neglected her in order for his one-sided affair. Verosika has the right to hate Blitzo (to quote my queen Veroska) maxed out her credit card on shitty horse riding lessons and left her to pay for the hotel. Octavia got called a COCK BLOCKING SLUT by one of the CREATORS OF HELLUVA BOSS! And Verosika constantly gets called a bitch, slut, or whore. I love Octavia and Verosika, they have done no wrong and I am taking them from Vivziepop.

Also Verosika looks so good in the outfits the Helluva Boss team puts her in and I’m supposed to hate her? No fuck that I love her so much and she has probably one of the best or the best design out of all the Helluva Boss characters.

Octavia also deserves a better dad. She’s also got an actually pretty cool design, she’s just a little silly who has also has a great voice actor!

Also baby Octavia! She’s so cute :). I love her so much and she deserves so much more than Stolas. AND THEN SHE GETS CALLED A COCK BLOCKING SLUT. SHE’S FUCKING 17. Overall I love them, Octavia is just a little silly and Verosika is my queen.

[vivziepopcriticalconfessions]

"I find it ironic that Vivziepop won’t stop talking about how Valentino isn’t real and how there’s nothing wrong with sexualizing his abusive behavior but pretty much put a target on Stella fans and engaged in the harassment whenever anyone came in defense of hers. She loves it when people worship her male villains but can’t handle it when people also do the same for her female villains. I also think fans should know that her constantly getting into fights with sexual abuse survivors and talking down to them is not normal. Well adjusted cartoon creators don’t do weird shit like this."

Submitted by anonymous

[hazshit-hotel-hater]

Loona being non-binary in you're rewrite actually feels empowering for goth people like me who are in the nonbinary community ^^ Thank you for the representation :D

I havent been able to respond to this ask for AGES and have wanted to for a while but im glad people like my headcanons!! I always love seeing gender headcanons so spreading mine always feels really nice and fun lol

[wimpywompythethird]

I feel the need to talk about this as I’ve seen this argument come up repeatedly when people point out Vivzie’s hypocrisy regarding topics like sexual assault.

Shows like Family Guy and South Park don’t face as much controversy for making jokes about sensitive topics like sexual assault or rape because that kind of humor is already an established part of their identity. These shows thrive on gross-out comedy and satire, making fun of everyone and everything. Provoking reactions and stirring controversy isn’t just something they do—it’s part of their formula.

Even if you’ve never watched an episode, a quick search for “Family Guy controversy” or “South Park controversy” makes it clear that they’ve always been known for tackling taboo topics in a comedic way. It’s expected and that’s the point.

Vivzie however, set a different standard for herself. She has publicly stated that she takes sexual assault seriously and supports all survivors. By her own words, this topic should be treated with care and respect. She established that bar so when her works doesn’t align with those values, it’s entirely reasonable for people to call her out. It’s similar to someone saying, ‘I take racism very seriously,’ and then doing black face or making characters that perpetuates harmful stereotypes about Black or Asian people. If you claim to care about an issue your actions should reflect that and when they don’t people have every right to hold you accountable.

[theloganator101]

Both Angel Dust and Vox should've had development as friends.

I remember seeing this image of Vox from the deleted Voxtagram accounts and how it was the result of Valentino punching him.

This basically implies that Val would've been abusing him too. And I personally think this could've open the doors for both him and Angel to have an interesting dynamic with each other.

Say that Vox was written to be more sympathetic and kind of like Anastasia from Cinderella in terms of being sympathetic. How he too deals with Val abusing him and always blaming himself for "getting on his nerves".

Sometimes when he runs into Angel Dust, he sees him always marked with a bruise or injury Val gave him and would always go to help patch it up for him.

(Used from my own version of the characters)

Usually this would lead to the two sharing an awkward silence other than Vox apologizing for Valentino's actions as neither of them know what to truly say. Angel because he knows Vox is part of the Vees, and Vox knowing there's little he can do to truly help Angel. One day when Vox was helping patch up Angel, their conversion goes differently.

Vox: I’m uh, I’m sorry about what Val did. He definitely went too far. Angel Dust: … Why do you help afterwards? Wouldn’t it be better to just care for yourself and the other Vees? Vox: I could… but you are technically an employee of the Vees, it wouldn’t be right to leave them injured where they can’t work at their best. Angel: … Well thank you, for looking out for me at least.

And from there their relationship changes.

They start talking to each other more, Vox lets him hide out in his quarters and play with Vark when Val is having a bad day, they eventually start to hang out outside of work and overall start to enjoy each other's company.

And eventually it could lead to Angel learning about Vox being abused by Val as well and returning the favor in protecting Vox too, helping put his screen back together when it gets broken.

Whether this leads to them becoming friends or romantic partners, the main point of this is how much potential these two had as victims of abuse and slowly giving each other the strength to stand up against their abuser.

This was definitely a missed opportunity in my eyes.

[whencartoonsruletheworld]

[66kenobi66]

Here's some good Hazbin/Helluva critical videos I've seen (since it's so hard to find good ones on YT)

(Both are by GalXE!)

(Left one is by HezuReviews, right is by Autistic Swag!)

(Both are by Madeline Maye!)

(Both are by Cassidy Whiskey!)

Please go check these people out, all of them are extremely talented. Some of them even shared some insight and clever criticism into this series that I hadn't even thought of! (I especially like the Madeline Mayne ones as they poke into how both HB and HH fail at their queer representation.)

[kawaiitail-chan]

I saw this peak masterpiece in my fyp LMAO!

[vivziepopcriticalconfessions]

"i highly dislike the goetia designs. i am interested in ornithology and studying birds, and the goetias had so much potential to have cool, more bird-ish designs, but NO they are all twinks that look too similar. like- stolas is supposed to be an owl, right? his original version is an owl too. owls don’t look… skinny twinks. where’s his roundness? sorry"

Submitted by @etokzdc

[wolfsrahne28]

“In regards to Tyco, he was never meant to be a part of Hazbin Hotel. People assuming so seemed to be a sore spot for Faust to the point Viv had to make a post informing people that he was not.*”

Okay, but like, she could be lying. People lie. And she has been known to lie before. She has a history of lying and painting herself as blameless, innocent, and/or a victim. Everyone here knows and understands that that is a possibility, right?

About Angel's original love interest. I remember reading a about it a while back, wasn't it scrapped before the pilot? And then Viv asked a sibling to design a new love interest for Angel and that's how Husk came about? That's also why she didn't really want to change Husk's design, and why she's very adamant on this ship becoming cannon.

Not sure about this...does anyone know if it's true?

[hazshit-hotel-hater]

This is so fucking funny

[autumnteawithfriends]

The Pinterest side of HH/HB slander is underrated

As a bonus, some GOATED comments

(NOTE! None of these were made by me and I cropped some images so stans don’t harass these people)

[redjoey1992]

Maybe it's just me, but Hazbin Hotel under Viv feels more like an "on paper" show. She never should've fired those other writers who make the pilot possible.

[carto0ncritter]

One thing I noticed in this shitshow of an episode is how fucking ungrateful Stolas was for everything Blitzø did for him since he came to his place.

Him being a spoiled rich white asshole:

I hate his facial expressions so much, you have no idea

I can guarantee you care about these 'nice things' more than you care about your daughter btw

Oh, we also have, let's see here...

*insert the entire montage of Blitzø (Stolas' victim) trying to cheer his abuser up since he's now in love with him thanks to good ol' Stockholm Syndrome*

Seeing that cigarette reminds me of when Stolas uh... *checks notes* called Blitz an 'itty bitty imp (racist)' despite him clearly hating it, grabbed his cheek and used his horn to put out his cigarette (not to mention Blitzø's severe trauma being related to fucking fire)

Okay so anyway, I think Stolas said "Oh, when have you ever asked" bc Blitzø stole from him and his family 25 years ago. correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't it manipulative af to bring up smth that happened that long ago, also it's totally unrelated to the current situation. I swear it's like a grown ass man saying to another "Oh I still hate you because, uhm, remember that one time in 3rd grade when you stole my pencil..."

So... if Stolas still holds this against Blitzø, let me ask: why was he ever "in love" with him in the first place? Answer? He wasn't. Stolas only used this imp for his sexual fantasies and for him to get to experience his "fairytale romance"

P.S. Imps are a race his privileged ass has always been racist towards and he hasn't ever attempted to, uh... try to understand them better? Understand how they live? I mean if you truly cared about your "boyfriend," Stolas, you'd have put in SOME effort to change your mindset/behavior and WOULDN'T HAVE EVER SEXUALLY COERCED HIM

He also 🍇d you blitz

And no he didn't do much, he's powerful af. Using those powers isn't rocket science heck he turned an imp to stone in s1 he can protect himself but is apparently the "bottom" in the stolitz "relationship". Also no, him leaving Octavia clearly isn't a huge deal to Stolas otherwise he'd have fought to earn her forgiveness and not just sulk like a wimpy loser. YOU ARE NOT ONLY A GROWN MAN STOLAS, BUT A FATHER. At least you were supposed to be

So was not thinking about your daughter until you lost everything, apparently

AGAIN WITH THIS SHIT??? WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A TRANSACTION AGAIN

Alright I'm signing off until the next season drops, if that ever happens

This episode sucked, but kudos to our girl Via who was smart enough to see through her "father's" bs 👏

ALSO HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO THE CRITICAL COMMUNITY (and to non-toxic stans too)!

[life-and-malice]

Swinging a bat at a hornet’s nest here, but Hazbin Hotel is Gen Z’s Harry Potter.

Both are made by pretty despicable women who claim to focus on women’s narratives, despite their own works pushing women to the side

Takes a pretty interesting and fantastical concept and waters it down so much its tasteless

Racism, transphobia, antisemitism abound

Just plain bad writing

Fans are fucking rabid over them and far too willing to buy their shit despite how horrible both JKR and Vivzie are