#spindlehorse criticism

[doodler16]

I'm sorry but honest opinion, i'm afraid the only way to get the fans realize that Viv is infact a terrible person is by screen-RECORDING everything, it's way easier than take a screenshot because a screenshot can easily be edited which is why they refuse to believe it, they believe the screenshots against her are photoshopped. and considering fake evidences is common these days, i'm afraid this is the only way because a screenshot won't simply do.

Saying that because someone refused to believe that Norrynator is problematic and didn't want to believe "random twitter people". (Which i guess, can't blame them. Twitter is sadly not the perfect place for that because of its bad reputation due to toxicity from users and how false allegations were so common there.)

I agree, I know screen recording will take up their storage and space but honestly it’s the best option. But I get why the ex Spindlehorse employees do screenshots, it’s easier to not only make them anonymous but redact anyone who doesn’t want to be involved to protect their privacy.

It’s a lose/lose situation. Discord compact also doesn’t do them justice as many stans proudly claim that the screenshot(s) are fake. The only person who did screen record all their conversation with Vivziepop is Kendraws.

[strangegardendelusion]

Viv never stops to surprise me

"I think the reason why I allowed my fans to call people a term used by nazi's is because I actually agree with them and that if you criticize my content you should be equated as an undesirable."

This is what I am reading from this, Viv is NOT escaping the neo-nazi allegations. If that lower half is "your answer" then I don't care. You are NOT helping yourself, you literally (And tell me if I am reading this right.) justified your fans neo-nazi ideologies by saying its deserved because criticals?

So you're admitting it's fine to neo-nazis as long as they don't criticize your work? Fucking lmaooo

[strangegardendelusion]

Warning, there will be talks of spoilers of season 2 because I will be mentioning the leaks:

Every time viv says something is going to be the greatest thing she ever made or loves, it ends up being... how to put it lightly... really, REALLY rushed or bad.

Like I'm seeing the different ways on how the season will be rushed. Due to the leaks, we know that Alastor will be kidnapped by Vox at some point, so I totally see Viv and the writers rushing to get to that plot faster.

So the less interesting plot points are left in the dust until Viv and the writers remember about it and quickly have to include it in some way.

[theoddest1]

Lmaoooo

Edit:

Samantha is a Story Artist, Animator, and Animation BFA who works for Viv on both HH and HB.

2nd Edit: Some of y'all need to chill in the comments with certain things you say. It ain't finna make any point come across decently with how you spread some info. I get being mad at some of the reactions, don't get me wrong, but bring it back down slow plz.

[kawaiitail-chan]

I saw this peak masterpiece in my fyp LMAO!

[starlight-bread-blog]

I know we aren't supposed to cheer but... TELL HIM!!

[uniquepeanutcreatorfire]

Check out this Sinsmas rewrite

[xjulixred45x]

Spindlehorse's lazyness to actually make a scene and not copy-paste/tracing already existing scene FROM THEIR OWN UNIVERSE is Amazing.

[helluverse-rewrites]

I hate him I hate him I hate him I hate him I hate him

He's so whiny and spoiled and ungrateful and he's so annoying and I hate him

[artisticdoofusxx]

Real picture of Viv trying not to make a POC religious figure into a skinny white blonde guy

[neko-loogi]

Vivziepop did her dirty.. but they could never make me hate her

[doodler16]

Why Vivziepop gotta get rid of all her GOOD employees but then hire BAD employees??

I’m wondering if Vivziepop even does actual background checks.

[wimpywompythethird]

I really hate the idea of Valentino or the other V’s being redeemed. It makes far more sense for them to remain irredeemable because it would teach Charlie an essential lesson: not everyone can be saved and more importantly, not everyone wants to be. Some people genuinely enjoy being bad—Valentino, Velvette, and Vox are perfect examples. They thrive in their wickedness because it’s fun and empowering for them. For Charlie, whose entire philosophy revolves around the belief that “everyone can be redeemed,” facing people like them would force her to confront the harsh reality that her ideals have limits.

These characters are in Hell for a reason and even if their damnation was unfair, they’re still objectively awful beings in Hell. Valentino is a rapist, an abuser and a terrible boss. Vox is another manipulative, power-hungry boss who uses mind control to manipulate people and likely turns a blind eye to Valentino’s abuse of Angel Dust. Meanwhile, Velvette manufactures the date-rape drugs that Valentino uses on Angel and most likely manipulates the media to twist narratives, according to the leaks. They don’t need tragic backstories or trauma to justify their evil—they’re simply bad people by choice. And honestly, the “But they’re villains!” argument doesn’t really hold water here. Even Cannibal Town didn’t care about Charlie’s redemption plan until Alastor mentioned they could eat the angels. Sometimes, evil people just stay evil and that’s a reality that Charlie needs to face.

[theoddest1]

Yep...it's confirmed that Ashley was the one Viv was targeting with those awful rumors. Knew this for a while but wanted to wait for it to be made public. Viv accused the person who gave her free advertising and helped build the community and popularity of her wack as hell series....of being an abusive sexual predator who is abusing their BF.

Wow...why does that sound so familiar....

[The one who ran the Instagram accounts]

Her lying and spreading rumors...noooo...it can't be....

[Kendraws]

No way she would ever do such a thing ever. Nope. Not little ole Vivienne Medrano. She's a good girl with nothing but golden stars.☝️🙂‍↕️

If it wasn't already made obvious, I think Viv is a joke of a person who is too insecure, weak, and irrelevant when by herself to even get this far. She hops off others to even get a semblance of attention, and many steal the show most times anyway. She clearly was jealous of Ashley and so did all sorts of crappy things to get back at them...because she is insecure. If you disagree, that's cool. I am saying it as it is because the writing was always in the wall. Look no further than her own franchise to get a glimpse of what type of person she is.

[imaginative-123]

Vivziepop glazers will basically downvote you and make excuses if you call out the sexist writing on how Viv writes her gay men, btw this is from r/CharacterRant

Edit: Minors do not interact, reblog or like my post bec I will block you.

I'm pretty sure if OP posted it in the main sub Hazbin Hotel, he might as well get downvoted for sure despite being an SA Victim. Viv Glazers surely never failed to disappoint me and I'm so glad Tumblr exist bc this is the website where you're allowed to rant about Viv and her shows. FUCK THIS SHIT MAN. Maybe Viv Glazers should learn that people have different perspectives and actual issues in her works. VIV is not a SAINT OR GOD you GLAZERS! GET THAT IN YOUR DAMN HEAD FUCK I HATE THIS FANBASE IT JUST MADE ME MAD.

Edit: About to go to sleep since I will finish my work tom my comment just got 16 upvotes I guess glazers must've realized I got a point LMAO.

Also the comments that got downvoted who point out the issues in Viv's writing got upvoted including OP's comment on Stolitz in regards to sexual coercion since there's also a person who denied the r@pe got upvoted before hours later got downvoted and it shocked me why people would upvote that comment that screams mental gymastics to defend a Ship that is made through sexual coercion that includes the class difference and power dynamic. The post from CharacterRant sub got people's opinions turn into 180 I guess bc they realized the other people like me who point out the issues and have concerns about the show might as well have a reason the shows that Viv write is not really good most especially when it's related to queer representation and SA.

Lastly the point of this post is to showcase the double standards in the fandom on how they view criticisms most especially when you apply that to stans/glazers who refused to see the actual criticisms and think it's mixed with the so called "haters" when I myself am a fan of Viv's work but also recently gotten more critical bc the roses tinted glass fell off when I start to analyze Viv's behavior online including her shows. So if you think this post is just whiny, egotistical and immature, sure tell me that, I'm not perfect and I accept that but that wouldn't changed my issues with the Standom's behavior that invalidates valid criticisms that critics like me have been voicing for years nor how the Fanbase has gotten even way more toxic over the discourse surrounding Viv's immature behavior including how divided the fanbase is, let's not forget the Standom's cultish behaviour to defend Vivziepop from any form of valid criticism, btw I also don't agree with other critics all the time but I can also see when there is criticism that is valid. So before anyone accuses critics for being "haters" maybe try and understand where we were coming from, the people became critics are also fan of Viv's work, if I was truly a hater then I wouldn't reblogged or like fanarts of the show including listening to musicals from Viv's work, just bc I'm a fan doesn't mean I have no right to voice my concerns over Viv including her work. Sometimes Stans should understand that fans can like the work but also criticize it.

Also the mods from CharacterRant removed the post from an SA Victim, damn for a sub that is supposed to make essays of your issues from any media, they would sure remove a post from an SA Victim's issues with Angel Dust's character. Truly the most Hypocritical moment from that sub.

Update: I went back to see the post and it seems to me the removed post was brought back again. I guess the mods feel guilty for what happened.

[starlight-bread-blog]

When have you ever looked down on him? Gee I wonder when...

This entire episode plays out as if Blitzø is in the wrong for assuming that Stolas is bigoted against imps when time and time again, Stolas proved he IS bigoted.