#spindlehorse criticism

[toestychonk]

Decided to do a video on Vivzie cuz I have a lot to say about how she runs her studio, her writing, and general attitude.

What should I bring up in the video?

I got 3 sections.

1. Piss baby: Viv's attitude problem

2. Shlock: Vivzie's terrible writing and the lack of care within it

3. Coming from inside the house: Terrible management, neopitism, and creeps.

[theoddest1]

Lmaoooo

Edit:

Samantha is a Story Artist, Animator, and Animation BFA who works for Viv on both HH and HB.

2nd Edit: Some of y'all need to chill in the comments with certain things you say. It ain't finna make any point come across decently with how you spread some info. I get being mad at some of the reactions, don't get me wrong, but bring it back down slow plz.

[kawaiitail-chan]

I saw this peak masterpiece in my fyp LMAO!

[uniquepeanutcreatorfire]

For people saying Viv is a changed person, please consider looking at this (found this on X):

[starlight-bread-blog]

I know we aren't supposed to cheer but... TELL HIM!!

[artisticdoofusxx]

Real picture of Viv trying not to make a POC religious figure into a skinny white blonde guy

[wimpywompythethird]

I really hate the idea of Valentino or the other V’s being redeemed. It makes far more sense for them to remain irredeemable because it would teach Charlie an essential lesson: not everyone can be saved and more importantly, not everyone wants to be. Some people genuinely enjoy being bad—Valentino, Velvette, and Vox are perfect examples. They thrive in their wickedness because it’s fun and empowering for them. For Charlie, whose entire philosophy revolves around the belief that “everyone can be redeemed,” facing people like them would force her to confront the harsh reality that her ideals have limits.

These characters are in Hell for a reason and even if their damnation was unfair, they’re still objectively awful beings in Hell. Valentino is a rapist, an abuser and a terrible boss. Vox is another manipulative, power-hungry boss who uses mind control to manipulate people and likely turns a blind eye to Valentino’s abuse of Angel Dust. Meanwhile, Velvette manufactures the date-rape drugs that Valentino uses on Angel and most likely manipulates the media to twist narratives, according to the leaks. They don’t need tragic backstories or trauma to justify their evil—they’re simply bad people by choice. And honestly, the “But they’re villains!” argument doesn’t really hold water here. Even Cannibal Town didn’t care about Charlie’s redemption plan until Alastor mentioned they could eat the angels. Sometimes, evil people just stay evil and that’s a reality that Charlie needs to face.

[xjulixred45x]

Spindlehorse's lazyness to actually make a scene and not copy-paste/tracing already existing scene FROM THEIR OWN UNIVERSE is Amazing.

[neko-loogi]

Vivziepop did her dirty.. but they could never make me hate her

[helluverse-rewrites]

I hate him I hate him I hate him I hate him I hate him

He's so whiny and spoiled and ungrateful and he's so annoying and I hate him

[floralcavern]

I once had a dream that I was a writer for Spindlehorse and we were writing a Millie centered episode surrounding her pregnancy and I was pitching a bunch of ideas they were shooting down and they eventually told me “Look, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but this isn’t a Millie centered episode. Think of it as Moxxie as the pregnant one.” And I was fired and I tried telling people about what happened but then I was sued for breaking my NDA

[theoddest1]

Yep...it's confirmed that Ashley was the one Viv was targeting with those awful rumors. Knew this for a while but wanted to wait for it to be made public. Viv accused the person who gave her free advertising and helped build the community and popularity of her wack as hell series....of being an abusive sexual predator who is abusing their BF.

Wow...why does that sound so familiar....

[The one who ran the Instagram accounts]

Her lying and spreading rumors...noooo...it can't be....

[Kendraws]

No way she would ever do such a thing ever. Nope. Not little ole Vivienne Medrano. She's a good girl with nothing but golden stars.☝️🙂‍↕️

If it wasn't already made obvious, I think Viv is a joke of a person who is too insecure, weak, and irrelevant when by herself to even get this far. She hops off others to even get a semblance of attention, and many steal the show most times anyway. She clearly was jealous of Ashley and so did all sorts of crappy things to get back at them...because she is insecure. If you disagree, that's cool. I am saying it as it is because the writing was always in the wall. Look no further than her own franchise to get a glimpse of what type of person she is.

[imaginative-123]

Vivziepop glazers will basically downvote you and make excuses if you call out the sexist writing on how Viv writes her gay men, btw this is from r/CharacterRant

Edit: Minors do not interact, reblog or like my post bec I will block you.

I'm pretty sure if OP posted it in the main sub Hazbin Hotel, he might as well get downvoted for sure despite being an SA Victim. Viv Glazers surely never failed to disappoint me and I'm so glad Tumblr exist bc this is the website where you're allowed to rant about Viv and her shows. FUCK THIS SHIT MAN. Maybe Viv Glazers should learn that people have different perspectives and actual issues in her works. VIV is not a SAINT OR GOD you GLAZERS! GET THAT IN YOUR DAMN HEAD FUCK I HATE THIS FANBASE IT JUST MADE ME MAD.

Edit: About to go to sleep since I will finish my work tom my comment just got 16 upvotes I guess glazers must've realized I got a point LMAO.

Also the comments that got downvoted who point out the issues in Viv's writing got upvoted including OP's comment on Stolitz in regards to sexual coercion since there's also a person who denied the r@pe got upvoted before hours later got downvoted and it shocked me why people would upvote that comment that screams mental gymastics to defend a Ship that is made through sexual coercion that includes the class difference and power dynamic. The post from CharacterRant sub got people's opinions turn into 180 I guess bc they realized the other people like me who point out the issues and have concerns about the show might as well have a reason the shows that Viv write is not really good most especially when it's related to queer representation and SA.

Lastly the point of this post is to showcase the double standards in the fandom on how they view criticisms most especially when you apply that to stans/glazers who refused to see the actual criticisms and think it's mixed with the so called "haters" when I myself am a fan of Viv's work but also recently gotten more critical bc the roses tinted glass fell off when I start to analyze Viv's behavior online including her shows. So if you think this post is just whiny, egotistical and immature, sure tell me that, I'm not perfect and I accept that but that wouldn't changed my issues with the Standom's behavior that invalidates valid criticisms that critics like me have been voicing for years nor how the Fanbase has gotten even way more toxic over the discourse surrounding Viv's immature behavior including how divided the fanbase is, let's not forget the Standom's cultish behaviour to defend Vivziepop from any form of valid criticism, btw I also don't agree with other critics all the time but I can also see when there is criticism that is valid. So before anyone accuses critics for being "haters" maybe try and understand where we were coming from, the people became critics are also fan of Viv's work, if I was truly a hater then I wouldn't reblogged or like fanarts of the show including listening to musicals from Viv's work, just bc I'm a fan doesn't mean I have no right to voice my concerns over Viv including her work. Sometimes Stans should understand that fans can like the work but also criticize it.

Also the mods from CharacterRant removed the post from an SA Victim, damn for a sub that is supposed to make essays of your issues from any media, they would sure remove a post from an SA Victim's issues with Angel Dust's character. Truly the most Hypocritical moment from that sub.

Update: I went back to see the post and it seems to me the removed post was brought back again. I guess the mods feel guilty for what happened.

[uniquepeanutcreatorfire]

Check out this Sinsmas rewrite

[starlight-bread-blog]

When have you ever looked down on him? Gee I wonder when...

This entire episode plays out as if Blitzø is in the wrong for assuming that Stolas is bigoted against imps when time and time again, Stolas proved he IS bigoted.

[strangegardendelusion]

NO!?!? BECAUSE THAT IS A INSANE TAKE!??!

She is a child, and stolas is an adult who has made his bed and has to deal with the consequences of said choices

(Even though I admit octavia, fears of abandonment have been shown and resolved way too many times. I blame the show writing for not giving her more to do other than being a plot device)

It has been proven time and time again that octavia is not the most confident in believing stolas won't abandoned her and run off with blitz

And what does stolas do with his actions without hesitating to prove his daughter wrong and he will never leave... abandoned her and left to save blitz life

Then, once he begins his new life with blitz, he forgets about her until the mention of rats got him to remember to call her.

(Honestly, I was confused later on when stella was like, "he trying to call all month." So, like, did stolas forget about via only that day or week? The timeline is very confusing.)

Once again, proving his fantasies with blitz are more important than octavia.

A good father would be doing everything he could to make sure he gets his daughter back as fast as possible. Especially if his daughter is in the custody of two people who try to kill him.

He would be getting a lawyer, trying to get court to rehear everything out, and of course, try to get his daughter forgiveness even if it takes years to rebuild.

But stolas does nothing but cry because he poor the entire episode...