#vivziepop criticism

[vivziepopcriticalconfessions]

"Stolas's attempt at sacrificing himself for Blitzo isn't selfless but another grand gesture made to make a display of his so-called kindness. The reason is that this another grand gesture that comes at the expense of someone or doesn't understand the gravity it has in this case being his daughter. He might save Blitzo's life but it comes at her daughter being traumatized and fatherless where she can be handed to anyone with ill intentions. And the fact he didn't think about that while he was executed just shows again how selfish he is, while thinking about it when he's only banished not executed."

Submitted by @bottlepiecemuses

[doodler16]

also I love ars goetia and other demons being 'ugly' than being used for fetishes for fujochis and cheaters/incels

And as usual they are designed better than the main cast.

[mangocakessssss]

Ive seen arguments about this line like “oh but we don’t know if her husband actually cheated or not soooo yeah”

and that’s true we have no idea because it’s not confirmed, however, I genuinely believe he did cheat. And I think this because the gay couple is super paralleled with Stolas and blizt

I don’t think the couple exist as fleshed out characters, I think they exist as a writing device to mirror stolas’ situation, otherwise what’s the point of them? (Especially because the family is animated exactly like blizts fantasy too)

another thing is blizt doesnt even ask her “how do you know if your husband cheated or not?” He immediately just defends cheating and doesn’t try to figure out the situation, because this scene isn’t fleshed out characters talking to each other and learning about each other, it’s just a weird character insight on blizt

just mentioning this because if this is correct then this lady has every right to be mad at her husband and the show sucks for just portraying her as a b**ch (im open to believe that im wrong though, I just think it’s weird to write a parallel situation but for the situations to end up being completely different to each other)

[redjoey1992]

If Blitzo still had his original characterization, he would've flipped the table, tired of Stolas' stuck up and spoiled attitude as well as calling him ungrateful and still treating him as one of his butler imps (making his criticism towards Stolas in New Moon completely right) and to top it all off, Blitzo wished that Stolas should've died on trial.

"I will bathe you, build you a nest of my finest horse plushes, hunt down prey for your nourishment and if necessary regurgitate into the mouths of our young."

[crooked-wasteland]

A personal pet peeve of mine is how Medrano has a child's understanding of moral ambiguity. Instead of actually creating a grey morality in her characters by interweaving positive and negative traits with nuance and understanding, she instead swings her characters wildly from all-good to all-evil (or vice versa). Or even worse, she insists that a character behaving poorly but with good intentions is moral complexity, when that is just a boring sort of childish narcissism.

[greml1nb0i]

Building on the Niffty stereotypes, I just wanna point out a few other things I noticed.

1. She’s routinely infantilized by the show and the fandom, which is common for Asian women. And then people headcanon her as ADHD or autistic, which is not problematic on its own. But headcanons like that PAIRED with people treating her like a child and her being the token Asian seems a bit… wrong. Like she’s childish because she’s autistic or Asian

2. She’s the only housekeeper/cleaning staff/maid. And I know that Asian people also like to keep a clean house just like everyone else. But it seems a bit suspicious that she’s the only Asian character, specifically Japanese, and the only housekeeper. It’d be like the only housekeeper in a show being a fat Mexican woman, but at least with most modern depictions of Latina maids, there’s some sort of nuance or commentary.

3. Her obsession with men. In western audiences, it’s not uncommon to depict Asian women with their only trait is how they are connected to men. The cutesy genki girlfriend, the ‘me love you long time’ Asian prostitute, the traditional and ‘honorable’ housewife.

I’m not saying all of these are intentional, but the optics ain’t exactly great.

Thank you for adding your insight Anon. :D

[toestychonk]

Pick one

Viv seems to want to be both edgy and progressive, but it doesn't work that way. Like, ya gotta commit to one or the other.

You can't just make SA jokes then turn around and have episodes about how wrong SA is.

Like if you're so afraid of the backlash, then either get a sensitivity reader or stop being pretentious acting like you're this beacon of lgbt rep when your writing and how you talk about trans men in private shows the exact opposite.

There's no such thing as a "progressive edgelord". Stop acting like there is, Vivienne.

[pleasantspark]

Wth

[sprinkleonthatcriticism]

I think the problem with Vivzie is that she seems to fanservice a lot in her series both hazbin and helluva

Like, there is NOTHING wrong with fan-servicing as long as it actually works/make sense.

To me, Vivzie trying to make Stolitz canon feels like a horrible attempt at fan service and I don't need to explain why because if ya know ya know.

And those keychains feature Glitz and Glam groping each other feels like fan service for a different.......crowd if ya get what I'm saying. Same with the Marthaberry ship that is apparently canon in the series despite Martha being the one who caused Mayberry to snap and kill her husband, attempted to kill Martha then herself :/ I'm guessing this suppose to be an attempt at toxic yuri???? No idea.. tbh. Vivzie should start pleasing the BarbieSika crowd or StrikElla crowd /hj

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Yes, So Nice And Tragic My Butt (Also The Neurodivergent Community Do Not Claim Him)

Seriously, even if you are autistic there is no excuse acting like a pos who uses their privilege to take advantage of people. Kind? That little hypocrisy video can prove that's bs. Also I have seen more tragic characters in this series that aren't as insufferable as Stol-ass.

[redjoey1992]

If Charlie and Stolas represent Vivziepop, then that means Blitzø and Vaggie are supposed to represent the people who done them both wrong and are forced to change through gaslighting. It's been a long time since I've seen Hazbin Hotel.

Charlie and Stolas represent Vivziepop as a person without her even realizing it. 

Charlie is a naive princess who’s meant to be deeply kind and caring, but her behavior expresses otherwise. She acts selfishly and condescendingly, rejecting all criticism because she genuinely believes she’s always right. Charlie never considers how her actions affect others and prioritizes herself over everyone else. Vivziepop paints anyone who points out the flaws in the princess’ redemption method as a “hater” that wants to drag her down despite her idea having serious issues. She wants us to ignore Charlie’s awful behavior, viewing her as a “good” person like the rest of the main cast does. The princess receives praise for doing the bare minimum while her terrible actions are swept under the rug, much like how Vivziepop’s fans behave with her.

As for Stolas, he emotionally abuses others, plays the victim, and blames everyone else. Every time a victim of his actions confronts him, he creates excuses to avoid accountability and treats them like they’re the problem. In Stolas’ mind, he has done nothing wrong, and everyone else is the problem, “misunderstanding” him and wanting to “ruin” his life. He prioritizes himself over everyone else and cares only about what he wants without any regard for other people. Stolas causes his own problems but refuses to take responsibility for the harm he's causing.

Vivziepop has created Charlie and Stolas as her self-inserts, projecting her horrible personality and behavior onto them without even knowing it.

[vivziepopcriticalconfessions]

"In the song, loser baby:- Husk is basically telling Angel that he's a loser for signing a contract that lead him to get abused by Val. And if you think about it hard enough, he is literally saying that it is his fault that he is getting assaulted"

Submitted by @lizziehatters-teacards

[doodler16]

I know I sound kind of like a prude but how come a lot of Viv’s merch tend to be sexual? Even if it’s not revolving around the theme of Valentine’s Day, a lot of the characters are often in these suggestive poses or dressed up like strippers.

Another thing is it’s usually the skinny characters who get to be wrapped in ribbons or bikinis whereas the fat/chubby characters are fully-clothed or made to be a bit skinny like the crazy otaku furry girl (they just removed her thicc with a flat belly). There is no variety.

You compare that to a lot of anime merch like the ones from Fairy Tail and One Piece, which have variety and don’t just have all of the female characters in skimpy attire. They even have the characters dressed in kimono, school uniforms, armor, etc.

Also, I heard that the quality of the merch sucked which made me a lot wary to buy one. As someone who would work at a store that sells stuff like these, you better make sure your customers get the best product.

It doesn’t help that Viv is lashing out at her customers. You know what we do if a customer has a complaint? We apologize and agree to replace them (refund if we don’t have a stock).

I remember my discord friend asking the same question about the merch of why it’s so sexual. I feel like the merch is sexual because Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are both adult shows. Helluva Boss has a content warning that it’s for mature audiences and that it involves horny demons being crude to one another, etc.

Yes, the quality of merchandise recently have been dogshit. 💀

There’s most likely more but we would be here all day. I recommend zooming in onto the images because I did a few circles highlighting how rushed they are.

[theoddest1]

Lmaoooo

Edit:

Samantha is a Story Artist, Animator, and Animation BFA who works for Viv on both HH and HB.

2nd Edit: Some of y'all need to chill in the comments with certain things you say. It ain't finna make any point come across decently with how you spread some info. I get being mad at some of the reactions, don't get me wrong, but bring it back down slow plz.

[66kenobi66]

Here's some good Hazbin/Helluva critical videos I've seen (since it's so hard to find good ones on YT)

(Both are by GalXE!)

(Left one is by HezuReviews, right is by Autistic Swag!)

(Both are by Madeline Maye!)

(Both are by Cassidy Whiskey!)

Please go check these people out, all of them are extremely talented. Some of them even shared some insight and clever criticism into this series that I hadn't even thought of! (I especially like the Madeline Mayne ones as they poke into how both HB and HH fail at their queer representation.)