#vivziepop criticism

[vivziepopcriticalconfessions]

"It’s hard for me to feel sorry for Loona at all when her sad backstory was shown entirely from Blitz’s POV and was used to show his character development over hers. We don’t even know how she feels about her time at the pound or how it affects her, it’s entirely about Blitz’s character and how he feels about it. Why should I care about what she’s been through if it’s just going to be used to boost another character?"

Submitted by anonymous

[impperfectcritiques]

Mammon character critique and redesign

These redesigns are based on Vivs original intentions for the seven deadly sins. That being circus themed princes of hell.

Do I think I’m a better designer then viv? Yes.

I'mma be real, I've always hated the christmas tree silhouette. It wouldnt be nearly as tasteless if he was the only plus-sized character to get this sort of body non-conforming dress up, but Adam gets it too, and just makes it seem like the show is too pussy to draw some proper rolls.

Why the fuck is he a spider? Why is he Australian if his Aesthetic is clearly based on the American dollar? Whats with the pointless asymmetry, what does that add to the character? Why do the dollar signs look like an after thought?

I understand he looks far more simple compared to his source, but honestly, thats a good thing. I was tempted to give him clown makeup, but that would be encroaching too far into Fizzes look + white just doesnt fit this colour palette.

More unique face, silhouette, outfit and colour palette, youre welcome.

With how he represents greed, and thus capitalism, I think he'd change outfits often to simulate "fast fashion".

Bet he eats gold to keep it safe, based on the creation myth and cultural figure, called Tiddalik from Gunnai Kurnai culture. I mean, if you're gonna make him Australian, you gotta at least TRY.

[yes, im salty they made him australian, instead of british or american, but all their protags are brits or yanks so they just had to villianise us Aussies, not once, but TWICE.]

[uniquepeanutcreatorfire]

Found another rewrite of Stolas and Octavia’s fight 🔥🔥

[technicallydelightfulpenguin]

Ayylmao is retarded.

Making Redesigns is NOT Toxic

A while ago AyyLmao made a video about the LavenderTowne controversy and disscussed "problems" with Hazbin Hotel redesigns as a whole. I used to think he made good points about redesgins in the video.

I've changed my mind. Cuz AyyLmao's whole point about how people making redesgins for Viv's characters being bad is laughable at best. His whole argument is that it's toxic because "people are using redesigns to tear down Viv's shows and saying that their version is basically better".

First, it's funny to me how he never once applies this to when people make redesigns of characters made by other creators. Like I remember watching a video redesigning one of Butch Hartman's characters', and I've seen no one call that toxic, yet suddenely when it comes to Viv and her characters, it IS toxic. Gee, I wonder why...

Second, fixing bad character desgins is NOT toxic. Because there ARE objective rules and standards for what makes a good and bad character desgin, and people are allowed to critique those desgins if they break those rules, just like how there are objective rules for what makes good or bad writting in media, and people are also allowed to critque stories that don't follow these rules.

And just like how people are allowed to rewrite poorly written stories, people are also allowed to make redesigns to fix problems with bad character desgins.

It's not toxic.

[exhelluvafan]

Viv: "My shows aren't aimed at children, they're only intended to be seen by adults and adults only!"

Also Viv: *literally interacts with a child fan in a supposedly adult only space for an "adult" show*

Wow, such a role model and completely not a hypocrite, am I right?

[luciferanalyzestar]

I know this going to come off as mean, but people are dumb.

As someone who was around during the SU hate train, most of the hate came from a place of bigoty! Right wingers (we used to call them anti-SJWs back in those days) hated the idea of a bisexual non-binary woman who is Jewish putting the "gay agenda" into a kid's show. All of the big anti-SU videos that went viral were made by bigots. Hell, Lily even admitted that she never watched the show in full.

The main criticism the Hellaverse gets is the writing being wonky not for having lgbt characters (how those characters are written is a whole different topic) unlike SU.

Is SU perfect? No, it had unfortunate implications in the writing when it came to the Black-code characters, but it still has better writing than Hazbin/Helluva especially in the character department.

[greml1nb0i]

the hazbin stans found me on reddit

mfs were trying to argue with me over ValAngel and saying fetishizing rape is fucking normal, like no tf its not, go get therapy.

[mangocakessssss]

one is a princess whos been through so much and changed so many lives and protected her kingdom

the other is charlie moringstar

(this post isnt trying to say “hazbin hotel traced and copied mlp!1!!111!1!” i just thought the similarity was funny and wanted to make a meme)

[doodler16]

Vivziepop confirming St. Peter (a man who loved and valued his wife) to be gay honestly feels like misogyny and pinkwashing to me. Not only do they whitewash this man, they also kick his wife out of the picture for cheap gay representation. Viv found a way to disappoint gay men, women, and Christians all at the same time.

I know Hazbin Peter feels like a gay stereotype but I’m going to wait because from what I’ve seen, Vivziepop technically hasn’t confirmed his sexuality.

But I wouldn’t be surprised if he was gay, bisexual, or pansexual. He does moan a lot in the song “Welcome to Heaven” and says everyone is hot.

[electronicsharkgalaxy]

Welcome back to our discussion on stereotypes in Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss. Today, we’re diving into why many people have issues with Alastor.

Trigger warning: Mentions of cannibalism

One of the concerns surrounding Alastor in Hazbin Hotel is his connection to voodoo, which is depicted as a sinister and dangerous practice. Many fans have pointed out that in the series, voodoo is shown in an exaggerated and frightening light. According to the Hazbin Hotel wiki, Alastor is associated with “demon magic,” and his character is often surrounded by voodoo sigils and engages in practices labeled as “blood magic.” This portrayal reinforces an outdated and harmful stereotype that ties voodoo to evil and dark forces. Below is a screenshot from the wiki that confirms Alastor’s use of blood magic which can also be seen in the show

This issue is further compounded by a recent leak from Season 2, revealing that Alastor is involved in making blood sacrifices—once again reinforcing the harmful stereotype that associates voodoo with violence and dark rituals. His involvement in this, along with his cannibalism, violence, and the use of poppet imagery, closely mirrors the historical persecution of New Orleans Voodoo. In the past, practitioners of Voodoo were falsely accused of cannibalism and blood sacrifices, and this depiction of Alastor echoes those dangerous and misleading accusations. Below, I’ll provide examples of how Voodoo practitioners have been depicted as violent in media.

Alastor’s race has become a point of controversy. Initially portrayed as a white character Vivziepop later redefined him as mixed-race following backlash. This shift when paired with his association with voodoo and violent tendencies has raised concerns that his character perpetuates problematic cultural stereotypes. The issue extends beyond Hazbin Hotel into Helluva Boss, where voodoo dolls are used in a scene meant to harm Blitzo, further linking voodoo with malevolent intentions. Below are a few examples from an article explaining how these elements can reinforce harmful stereotypes. It’s important to note that I found these connections simply by researching harmful voodoo stereotypes—something Vivziepop could have easily done, yet either overlooked or ignored.

Furthermore, Alastor being a Wendigo is seen by some as another point of cultural appropriation as the Wendigo is a figure rooted in Indigenous folklore. This portrayal raises concerns about misrepresentation and the commodification of culturally significant myths.

I want to clarify that I am neither Native American nor a practitioner of voodoo. However, I have encountered insights from those who practice voodoo, as well as Native American individuals, regarding Alastor’s portrayal. The points I am sharing are based on their perspectives. Their views on how these cultures are represented are crucial to consider, as they have highlighted how the portrayal can reinforce harmful stereotypes and misrepresentations.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

One Big Ick Factor When It Comes To Shipping Abel And Saint Peter

Besides pushing out the fact he was a married man in the Bible, it's also the fact that all humans are descendants from his brothers which includes Abel which would make it incest if it was canon. Seriously, I don't buy the far enough bs that is still kind of icky.

[vivziepopcriticalconfessions]

"Striker should've gouge out at least one of Stolas' eyes. Not only because the prick totally deserves it but also because it would've been interesting to have the event leave visible impact on Stolas. In the show it's easy to forget that the attack even happened since the only thing that reminds us after "Western energy" is bandage on Stolas' arm. But other than that it isn't even talked about until "Apology tour" (and bringing it up there only made Stolas look more selfish). And seeing characters like Octavia and Blitzø react on Stolas' missing eye would've been so tragically cool!"

Submitted by @frisiunia

[impperfectcritiques]

genuine question

When was the last time viv drawn/designed anything for her own shows and posts??? Does she even actually create anymore?????

[bahja-blix]

at first, I hated this Christmas tree but then... I watched him more and decided to give him a chance. Now he's one of my favorites <3

Viv's making me hate him but I

LOVE HIM.

ptolly gonna act stick around more bc I wanna gush about the man

[theoddest1]

Lmaoooo

Edit:

Samantha is a Story Artist, Animator, and Animation BFA who works for Viv on both HH and HB.

2nd Edit: Some of y'all need to chill in the comments with certain things you say. It ain't finna make any point come across decently with how you spread some info. I get being mad at some of the reactions, don't get me wrong, but bring it back down slow plz.