#vivziepop criticism

[vivziepopcriticalconfessions]

"Might be an unpopular opinion but i really don't like how the fandom has a "one person must be the innocent victim" mentality. There's the obvious stolas defenders yeah, but also the blitzo defenders aren't exactly good either, specifically on the youtube side. Granted the blitzo defenders have more good arguments like him being a good dad and not deserving to be abused so blatantly by the show but other than that, that's really it. It's only basically 2 steps better than stolas, but he's still done horrible things too like disrespecting moxxie and millie's boundaries and even threatening to "fuck" him and his wife in the first episode for messing up and even using the r slur once and nearly twice. I am not saying that blitzo is worse than stolas, but i just really wish people were critical of both characters rather than just picking one to be the "guy who did nothing wrong" and the other be the "irredeemable villain who must die.""

Submitted by anonymous

[doodler16]

controversial opinion ahead; Millie should have been bisexual

💀 For the longest time, I thought Millie was bisexual thanks to the fandom gaslighting me. Only to find out that Loona is the bisexual one and Millie is the token straight girl.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Dude good intent doesn't breed actually being a good dad. He took her there but it was with the motive to forget the mess he made for her at home. He also butchered goid faith by shamessly flirting with his booty call in front over despite it being uncomfortable. Dude is a selfish dad or has become one the minute he decided blitzo mattered more. And that seeped into later episodes with her because time and again he breaks promises and gives false hope he will be better but it never happens and he does it over again. Dude he deserves shit if he thinks him f7nding comes at the cost of being a neglectful parent. All that previous good parenting doesn't mean much if you are always putting a booty call before your own daughter to the point she's an afterthought during your own execution.

Why are people still bitching about Stolas "choosing" Blitz when he literally had no choice? Blitz was seconds away from dying, and the best case scenario happened, which was both of them being alive in the end.

Y'all just want this series to end prematurely or something because if Blitz is dead, the show is dead.

[helluverse-rewrites]

I think the thing that makes Vivzie and her shows infuriating to me at least, is the fact that she takes a lot of people's dreams for granted

Like, there are probably so many people out there that wish they could accomplish even half of what Viv had. Two successful shows, one of them being on a streaming service, even having broadway vas (idk how many people would hire broadway voices though)

And they just see Viv not giving a shit about any of it. Fetish shit, fatphobia, racism, misogyny, bad writing, terrible jokes, and I think it's pretty obvious that Viv has no fucking clue how to properly budget a show

And people that probably have way better ideas, can actually write, and are decent human beings who want to put in actual representation and nuanced stories with well-written. But for some reason, probably out of their control, they just can't

There are so many creative minds out there. And I think it's devastating that Viv is unapologetically taking that for granted

[4everpatient]

my BIGGEST grip with hazbin hotel as an artist is 100% the designs as you can physically tell how little thought went into the designs of the main cast. Vivziepop has a very strong "Design first- Character later" philosophy and it annoys me sm. Because!! The characters barely look like their supposed "inspirations"!!!!!!!! Alastor doesn't look like a creole man from the 1930s! Charlie doesn't look like royalty!! Lucifer looks like a teenager!!!!

Like i hate helluva just as much for the writing but AT LEAST the designs are actually pretty good! And the reason is that- The designs were actually MADE for the characters!

[exhelluvafan]

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Me parece bastante curioso que nosotros, los latinoamericanos, hayamos podido ver a través de las mentiras de Viv como si fueran papel mantequilla, ya que nosotros estamos acostumbrados a tener que lidiar con políticos deshonestos y horribles acá todo el rato, así que pudimos darnos cuenta de la mierda que intentaba hacer Viv detrás de las espaldas de los fans mucho antes que la comunidad gringa.

Y perdona, pero encuentro difícil ver qué Viv sea "latina", ya que esta weona nació con dinero en sus manos, creció con este y literalmente está haciendo trampa en la vida, nunca ha tenido que lidiar con problemas de dinero, recortes financieros, tener que cambiar trabajos por fuerza mayor, tener que pasar a través del miedo de una dictadura militar, tener que lidiar con problemas de casa y mucho más.

Esta weona no es para nada diferente a la clase alta estereotipada que tiene Chile, y eso no es un cumplido, eso es un insulto.

En fin, vete a la mierda, Viv, tu no sabes lo que es vivir en la clase media, tú nunca te has esforzado con algo en la vida, tu eres una vergüenza de "latina" y solo eres una gringa pretenciosa que usa la etnicidad o nacionalidad como excusa para hacerte pasar como más progresiva cuando en realidad, te hace insufrible y pretenciosa a más no poder, no por nada eres una lolcow acá en Latinoamérica y se burlan de tus diseños de mierda sin repercusiones en la comunidad hispanohablante de Hazbin y Helluva, porque acá no tenemos weones que te defienden a capa y espada mientras te chupan el clítoris, a diferencia de la comunidad angloparlante, que literalmente tiene un jodido culto a tu nombre el cual ha hecho bullying a gente que tiene la más leve crítica sobre tus shows de mierda hasta matarlos o hacer que se vayan de internet.

En conclusión, te odiamos, Viv, y no eres latina, así que calla la puta boca, lolcow <3

[redjoey1992]

I'm beginning to think that the episode delay between Ozzie's and Queen Bee is pretty much related to this because, Oh my God!

Idk something about Viv obsession with Keshia just gives me the creeps like there is nothing wrong being a fan of a singer for a long time but when it comes to Viv it’s like she stalks her and lets not forget about how Keshia didn’t even want to be mentioned or tag in any Beelzebub art or how she sounds completely uncomfortable and bored while voice acting

[floralcavern]

Vivziepop’s Shallow Writing Problem

Vivziepop’s stories are rather lacking in depth. The characters and their goals, motivations, etc. are all extremely shallow. And that’s fine! Not all shows need extremely in depth, deep, intricate characters. But the problem with Viv’s shows is that she is convinced that these are deep characters. When.. they’re not. Her best written character, imo, is Blitz. He’s the only character who I would say has depth and is explored in a meaningful way. He experiences consequences, growth, change, etc. But, every other character… is kind of eh. Moxxie maybe, and then there’s Stolas..

Stolas is the epitome of writers thinking they wrote a deep character when they actually created the most shallowly written character of all time. Stolas receives no consequences, no call outs, no growth, because he gets the excuse of ‘he’s abused’ to not have to face anything bad happen to him. It’s infuriating how shielded he is by the writers.

And Helluva Boss didn’t need extremely deep characters. It started off as a comedy, where characters could do messed up, edgy shit because nothing is meant to be taken seriously. But then suddenly the show decides to become a super serious, soap opera drama?? It completely derails its original premise to be something completely different. The beginning of Helluva Boss and what we currently have are 2 completely different shows. And I’m not saying comedies can’t have depth. One of my favorite examples is Dan Da Dan! It’s literally a show about a guy whose dick was stolen by a ghost. And yet, the show writers know how to balance ridiculous comedy and story telling with genuine, human moments. But Viv’s shows don’t have that balance. The show is hardly a comedy anymore and takes itself way too seriously, while also refusing to acknowledge actual things that need to be acknowledged.

[flower-boi16]

It’s literally SO annoying when fans constantly defend Stolas as a character and excuse his actions with shit like “oooh but but- he was sheltered his whole life! Stella abused him! His father was neglectful!” or any kind of “TrAGiC baCKsTOry111!” out of their ass to make him look sympathetic when literally none of that shit is related to his actions.

So fucking what if Stolas was neglected as a child or had a mean wife? How does that relate to ANY of his actions he takes throughout the series??? It doesn’t excuse SHIT. Granted, the “this character’s trauma is not an excuse” argument is a kind of argument I’ve grown to be annoyed by due to how often it gets misused. Yes, a character’s backstory or trauma doesn’t excuse or justify their actions.

The issue arises though when the character’s bad actions are a direct response to that trauma and so it can make it look like your just ignoring major context for what lead to the character doing these actions just so you can label them as irredeemable. With Stolas, however, I have no hesitation in saying that whatever backstory and trauma he may have I genuinely don’t care because that trauma doesn’t matter to ANY of his actions.

The “his daughter doesn’t like him” defense doesn’t work because 1. Octavia is shown to still care for her father and is actually shown to be excited to spend time with him in Seeing Stars and 2. Octavia has a perfectly valid reason to dislike Stolas given how shitty of a father he is to her.

The “Stolas is well meaning/believes that Blitzo likes being treated like a sex toy” defense also doesn’t work when Stolas can very clearly see that Blitzo does NOT like being treated that way. Ffs Blitz was completely shocked and disgusted by Stolas’ sexual remarks on him on the phone in Loo Loo Land, Stolas can clearly see Blitz DOESN'T ENJOY THIS but continues flirting with him anyway. Anyone who is well-meaning can still see when they fucked up.

And any tragic backstory you pull out of your ass for Stolas doesn’t work when none of that shit matters to his actions.

Stop making excuses for Stolas’ behavior for fucks sake.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Lucifer is the adversary so if Viv want him to be supportive of Charlie dream. Make him see the redemption hotel as form of experiment, so he give her support but he also test the sinner to see how truly they want to repent. He see the sinner in hell nothing more than test subject. When he see Adam He doesn't stop reminding him how he turn to be very horrible choice he reminded him Adam and Eve is very interesting however he soon lose interest on them

This. Someone who tests people to see them break just like alastor was supposed to do in the pilot.

[theoddest1]

Lmaoooo

Edit:

Samantha is a Story Artist, Animator, and Animation BFA who works for Viv on both HH and HB.

2nd Edit: Some of y'all need to chill in the comments with certain things you say. It ain't finna make any point come across decently with how you spread some info. I get being mad at some of the reactions, don't get me wrong, but bring it back down slow plz.

[vivziepopcriticalconfessions]

"There's something i just realized- the show wants us to root for the imps so they can get out of an oppressive system but... they also have the fizzies (aka the fizz bots) who are literally in the same boat if not worse yet they're used as a quick joke? Like, it's not even a matter of "oh they're robots they don't care they're just doing as they're programmed" they have scenes in the mammon episode where they show them wincing when pulled around or hurt and showing they can feel pain, we even see in hazbin hotel valentino has one who also feels pain when a drink is thrown at them? Like, they're clearly sentient beings like the regular imps so when are we gonna get justice for them too?"

Submitted by anonymous

[doodler16]

"If anything Ozzie could’ve been the one who would ask where Stolas is, yknow an established character we already know and someone who knows the details and gave Blitzø the ozmedous crystal so they don’t have to travel illegally."

i think this is the exact reason viv wants to act like ozzie was incapable of doing anything by passive aggressively liking fans tweets that argued he couldnt have possibly spoken up. because if he had even tried to save blitzs heiny by saying truthfully, "hey, wait - i know that guy! my partner fizz is friends with him! and he didn't force himself onto stolas, stolas personally asked me for an asmodean crystal for him when he realized he had, and i quote, 'feelings' for the imp! see? look at his right forearm, that there's one of my crystals, legally approved of." then they all would've believed a seven deadly fucking sin over some pissy elsa rip off that's ranks below ozzie, who has NO evidence of these vile accusations, vs the literal asmodean crystal on blitzs arm that you can literally see throughout the entire the trial. it's not like they took it off or anything! it's still there! keeping in mind theres no such thing as bootlegs crystals, because every on screen depiction (and i think even on screen description) states that an asmodean crystal is a personal item tied to it's owner - it's LEGAL owner.

but if that had happened, then we wouldn't have gotten our stoliz climax where stolas shows he loves blitz by.. doing the bare minimum of NOT letting blitz die due to STOLAS'S DECISION in murder family to make them fuck for the book, instead of giving his "first ever fwiend" an asmodean crystal immediately. how romantic!

im just getting so sick of the parasocial vivziepop stans doing backflips in logic to justify the way the story is, without realizing that they could and SHOULD be given something better. they see the cracks, but viv just doesn't want them to, because it's her way or the highway - she's the biggest fan of her own show, so things happen the way she wants them to, not in a way that makes any logical sense when you put it under the usual critical eye the average writer (and casual viewer) would.

i mean, what if oz said that, but satan still deemed a punishment against blitz worthy for having the grimorie to begin with at all as an imp, still tried to execute blitz as a public display of power, and THEN oz texts stolas while notifications of fizz texting oz pop up? you still get your angst, have ozzie ACTUALLY be a good person who's willing to put his neck out on the line for someone lesser then him with no personal gain and not just be a canonical complacent royal fuck who was about to let his lovers reunited best friend die on public television, which is why i will never be invested in fizzozzie ever again tbh, and STILL have your big stoliz savior moment, without it happening due to just because of stolas just so happening to turn on the news that day. a text from oz could've given stolas a moment to very briefly consider if this is something he should intervene in, before realizing he has to, because blitz made him feel free for the first time in his life. now he can free him too, from the grimorie, and from suffering the consequences of his actions that put blitz in this position unfairly to begin with. also i wouldn't personally write stolas following this up with a song about how he's the mastermind behind a plan he knows nothing about or have him insult his "lovers" intelligence repeatedly within it, "that's the point," my ass, stolas could've just sung about the way blitz made him feel when they first met as kids and then again as adults, and why he gave him the grimorie because of that, contradicting andres imp rape claim and showing blitz that stolas DOES care in a way that ISNT self sacrifice, but nooooo, we need just one more song of stolas being a entertaining dick! no wonder she said this episode was self indulgent lol

Someone get rid of Vivziepop’s Twitter or someone on her Spindlehorse team get Viv a social media manager. 💀 The fact this woman is passively aggressively liking tweets in defense of her show is insane. And maybe just maybe Vivziepop should explain herself in the show instead of Twitter.

I don’t care what anybody says Ozzie could’ve done more and spoken up. He is one of the seven deadly sins and has the power to make a difference. If Stolas (someone who is lower than Ozzie in terms of status) can make a heroic entrance to save his booty call and talk/sing against Satan. Then Ozzie has a chance.

Anon why is your version so much better. That “Mastermind” song so unnecessary (it’s one of the few songs I personally don’t vibe with except the ending, I will admit Satan and other sins part is fire). Stolas says how he love blitzø yet uses any chance to insult and demean his intelligence in the most mean spirited way possible.

[kawaiitail-chan]

I saw this peak masterpiece in my fyp LMAO!

[helluverse-rewrites]

Rewriting the Sins

Special thanks to @helluvablenda for probably unintentionally and lowkey accidentally giving me a super sick idea :)

Gonna cover this first before going into each individual sin. I'm not gonna be having their sins be their only personality trait. I want their to be nuance and interesting characters, but at first glance it appears that way, and that's pretty much how everyone sees them. Asmodeus being called the lust/horny guy by hell, Belphegor being known as the lazy one, etc. etc.

But they are so much more than their sins but hell doesn't realize that and borderline refuses to acknowledge it. So they all kinda knew that no matter how hard they tried, it's not gonna change anything. So they ended up making their respective sins their only personality trait

Anyways let's talk about Asmodeus guys

Asmodeus

Doing these in order of appearance btw

One of the only characters I would actually smash. I hate what they did to Asmodeus (and Fizzarolli... and their dynamic but I'm getting into that later) even though I'm not sure if I'm gonna fix him all that well

Basically the idea is that growing up (if the sins actually had childhoods) he was a real sweetheart, a real gentle giant, a guy who would never hurt a fly. He would never raise his voice and has the patience of a saint. He could be talking to the Vegan Teacher and never lose his temper. Mostly because he's a people pleaser. Yes, he knows he should toughen up and gain a backbone, but it just... It feels so wrong!!!

Enter Fizzarolli, I will eventually make a post about Fizzmodeus as well as the rest of the ships, but the two don't exactly get along at first, but eventually they start to get along. And the imp taught Asmodeus how to speak up for himself :) and even though Asmodeus is still a sweetheart, he is a bit of an asshole sometimes (Fizzy's influence)

I have more things I wanna say, but I'm waiting to talk about Fizzmodeus (and Fizz) So I'm not quite done with him, just for now

Till we meet again Ozzie >:)

Beelzebub

Ah yes, the creator of Hellhounds herself (I think. Whenever someone brings up Bee and the Hellhounds I always get so confused. So if you don't like when I talk about them in this section... uh, sorry)

When Bee created the Hellhounds, the initial idea was that so hell could just have more inhabitants. More people = more partying! It's literally the most flawless plan

... Until during a meeting with the sins, Lucifer brought an idea that shook Bee to her core. How about the Hellhounds work under the upper class? And have adoption homes? Bee never really liked Lucifer all that much, he's petty, never admits when he's wrong, and is super annoying. What shocks Bee even more is that most of the sins agreed (except for Ozzie) and Bee is about to exclaim that she's the one who created Hellhounds! Shouldn't she get a say in all of this? That is until she catches Lucifer's eye. Sure, he's annoying and really fucking short, but she saw how he gets when things don't go his way

He's giving her a look that goes "Don't even think about speaking unless you want to die tonight."

So Bee just had to sit there and accept it. The fact that the very things she created were being turned into fucking slaves and abused under her rule... it's just awful. And relationships with the Hellhounds weren't the same after that. Some downright hated her and would treat her the way Stolas was treated in Mastermind basically. They wouldn't listen when Bee tried to explain to them that it was out of her control, and she honestly doesn't blame her. Some do understand but they do end up keeping her distance from now on

So to make up for it she tries to host as many parties as possible for the Hellhounds, and when Lucifer isn't involved she does try to speak up against this injustice which raises the question "Where were you when we needed you?" And she hasn't gotten over this guilt since the day it happened

I'm sorry that might've not been the best explanation for Hellhounds and such but I did want to make Bee likeable and keep in the whole thing with Hellhounds so I just thought about an instance where maybe it was out of her control. One thing's for certain, she constantly beats herself up for not being able to stand up against Lucifer

Now personality wise, relatively the same. Still blunt and shoves cotton candy down people's throats. I just mostly wanted to cover the main issue I see a lot of people have with Bee and rightly so

Mammon

Mammon is honestly kind of the same. Still manipulative and abusive. A greedy little guy

But I will be taking out the insensitive fat jokes directed at him. See, for Mammon, he likes to act stupid, like he doesn't know what he's doing to lure others into a false sense of security

One trait I want to give Mammon though is that he's a sucker for kids. He's great with them. He loved babysitting baby Charlie and always got up in little shenanigans with her. He's all for manipulating and hurting adults, but if he were to do that with a kid would be crossing the line in his eyes

Leviathan

Okay so Leviathan and Belphegor are going to be a bit difficult because there's almost no information about them in regards to the helluverse but I'm going to try my best

I want the heads to be at each other's throats, like constantly. Since Levi's the sin of envy, the heads are extremely envious of each other, always bickering and shit. Only once every thousand years will you see them get along

But when they do get along? They will bully you endlessly. They bring out the worst of each other

The human head in my mind is more extroverted and loves talking while the dragon head is introverted and hates having to talk to people

Eh it's not much but at least it's something

Belphegor

(Ignore Bee and Ozzie)

Okay I'm gonna be real, I have no idea what I want to do with her. At least with Leviathan I had somewhat of an idea. But with Belphegor I got nothing

I did see this really cool theory with her and the sloth ring so I might do something with that

Idk pls share your ideas with me if you have any. Who knows? Maybe Belphegor might be important in the future

Oh wait she's a woman nevermind-

Satan

Ah yes. Satan. Now I don't really have much to change either (wow. What an interesting post I'm making/sar)

I do like the thought of him and Yogirt being boyfriends though. I think that's fun and silly :3

Even though Satan does have a temper and is very dramatic at times. There is one thing that he loves more than anything: the sins

Okay well technically that's several things but he sees them all as little brothers/sisters and would destroy all of the rings of hell if it would make them happy

He loves them all. Except for one...

Lucifer

Goddam his smug face pisses me off so much how do people find him attractive???

Anyways. He's a bad guy now. An antagonist :)

He was very absent in Charlie's life and would just get one of the other sins to babysit her. Which... they love her, but it does get a bit frustrating when he drops them off on their doorstep with no prior warning. Especially when they have other business to attend to

He is extremely condescending and views everyone as beneath him. He's clearly better than these good for nothing sinners! His condescending nature is something Charlie unfortunately picked up, which is why she ends up treating others like children (she isn't even aware of this fact)

He just thinks people in hell don't deserve mercy. Or anything good, really. He often talks down to Charlie and not so subtly dunks on her dream at any chance he gets. He finds it so funny how people can't stand up for him because they know he's more powerful than he looks

He never admits when he's wrong and immediately kills anyone who tries to call him out