#anti helluva

[antivivziepopparade]

God, this is such a sickning scene, especially since she legit forgot to pay someone TO THIS DAY (Cas) for their audition/animation for Spindlehorse. Which according to California law... is a crime!

But only because indie animation isnt considered as a "real job" did Vivienne and Sam Miller get away with this. It's disgusting!

You have to be joking me Viv

you make this kinda of joke when you know full well how rough your employees have it; being paid literal pennies while you go to Disney every weekend!

[duquesah]

I'm sorry, can we fucking talk about this???

I'm not surprised tbh but still, fuck whoever thought that adding this character for laughs was okay. How ignorant does one have to be to do THIS in 2024? Disabilities aren't funny, being disabled isn't funny, it fucking sucks that we still see shit like this in media. Call me a snowflake all you want, i don't give a flying fuck, I'm tired

[moldy-lemons]

oooo the misogyny is strong here

[carto0ncritter]

If Stella really was abusive from the start like S2 claims, Stolas should have divorced her as soon as Octavia was born and raised her by himself away from his abusive wife.

But no, Stolas apparently stayed in a toxic marriage for 17 years even though he wouldn't have lost ANYTHING had he divorced!!! The bird man literally only divorced Stella after he slept with Blitzø (his booty call), which means that Via grew up in a toxic household all her life (according to S2 at least; S1 tells us something completely different about the Stolas/Stella relationship aka that it wasn't arranged marriage, here's a great post as to why).

Moral of the story: Stolas is a selfish pos who only divorced Stella to thirst over Blitzø, his victim (not for Octavia to have a "normal life")

He was the one who didn't intervene from the start by getting Stella away from himself and (especially) his only child, and let Via grow up in an abusive home for all those years.

[resisteverything]

The fact that swearing is seen as built into the identity of spindle horse is insane. Imagine if the breaking bad fans tallied up all the swear words like this.

No one should care that this adult show uses adult language.

And it uses it in the worst ways sometimes, like why would you be proud that you had a character say “I can’t see dick” as though that’s a real saying?

[gayowlboy]

poor guy

[80rosequartz08]

HER FACE ⊙﹏⊙∥

My poor baby didn't deserve to witness such cruelty

Wow I’m so happy Octavia escaped that abusive family with Stella and will now be in this much healthier blended family dynamic without all that traumatising domestic violence.

Oh wait.

[theoddest1]

Lmaoooo

Edit:

Samantha is a Story Artist, Animator, and Animation BFA who works for Viv on both HH and HB.

2nd Edit: Some of y'all need to chill in the comments with certain things you say. It ain't finna make any point come across decently with how you spread some info. I get being mad at some of the reactions, don't get me wrong, but bring it back down slow plz.

[alien-grave]

“ShE’S a FrEaK WhY Is HeR DeMoN FoRm So CuTe?!??!!!!”

She’s a Pastel Goth monster fucking freak and it’s EVERYTHING. I love her. She’s perfection. Y’all are just cowards and not ready to handle someone as perfect as she. An absolute pastel goth QUEEN.

[autumnteawithfriends]

The Pinterest side of HH/HB slander is underrated

As a bonus, some GOATED comments

(NOTE! None of these were made by me and I cropped some images so stans don’t harass these people)

[80rosequartz08]

Here's some good Hazbin/Helluva critical videos I've seen (since it's so hard to find good ones on YT)

(Both are by GalXE!)

(Left one is by HezuReviews, right is by Autistic Swag!)

(Both are by Madeline Maye!)

(Both are by Cassidy Whiskey!)

Please go check these people out, all of them are extremely talented. Some of them even shared some insight and clever criticism into this series that I hadn't even thought of! (I especially like the Madeline Mayne ones as they poke into how both HB and HH fail at their queer representation.)

[kawaiitail-chan]

I saw this peak masterpiece in my fyp LMAO!

[moldy-lemons]

ohhhh i’m so sick if this fandom IM SICK

[carto0ncritter]

Abusive fictional fathers - Robotnik vs. Stolas

I won't be talking about Coconuts here since he's not on screen that much, but know that I feel sorry for the stuff he's been through, poor guy

Robotnik ⮕ Scratch & Grounder

Like... he literally only created these two to use and abuse them and that's crystal clear

When I say Robotnik is an abusive pos, this is what I mean (and this is just some of the physical abuse, don't even get me started on the emotional):

...Okay, that last picture was the last straw. Robotnik's thrist for power has officially outweighted Scratch and Grounder's "value." He felt 0 remorse for throwing them into the lava. Keep in mind, he THOUGHT HE HAD KILLED THEM and DIDN'T CARE AT ALL. Thankfully they were fine. And no the fact that they're robots doesn't make it any less wrong

If you're willing to sacrifice your children for a powerful artefact, then I'm (NOT) sorry to say this, but you're a heartless pos and deserve to be held accountable for your actions. If I were in Scratch and Grounder's shoes, I would have ran the hell away right then and there and found home elsewhere

However, unlike with Stolas and Octavia, at least the narrative doesn't try to convince us that Robotnik loves his sons. Because if he did, he would have tried to change his behavior. Or better, he wouldn't have abused them IN THE FIRST PLACE! AT ALL! No matter what he had gone through! I'm not denying that his mom was a pos to him just like he's a pos to scratch and grounder, but i refuse to see this as an excuse. he should have tried his best to break the cycle of abuse

*sigh* Now I've gotta talk about that stupid bird man... let's just get this over with.

Stolas ⮕ Octavia

Stolas is shown to have been there for Via in her childhood. although we never see them bond over anything, connect emotionally with each other or spend quality time together, we've only got this one nightmare scene. this was the only time stolas was shown to care about octavia

He did his best to calm her down and make her feel safe, then proceeded to break his promise for a booty call. For a childhood "friend" that his father bought for him 25 years ago.

And you're telling me how Stolas didn't realize that bringing Blitzø along in Loo Loo Land is uh... a bad idea that will make his daughter feel even worse?

I HATE the excuse that Stolas was "just clueless." Because anyone with the tiniest bit of common sense would come to the same conclusion: flirting with your booty call in front of your daughter who is a minor and going through emotional hell that happened because you cheated on her mother makes you a horrible and selfish father.

Even worse is that Stolas doesn't learn his lesson and once again neglects Octavia. Stolas is too busy hating his ex wife and gushing over his abuse victim that he can't even be bothered to look for his daughter himself, and instead Loona has to be the one to go find her. And then she literally tells Via how her dad's trying his best and how she should cut him some slack. No. No she shouldn't. Octavia was right to think that Stolas hates Stella more than he loves her because that's what his actions show.

He can hug her all he wants and promise to do better but he has done nothing to even TRY to be better for this poor girl.

Not to mention that Loona is a hypocrite. Blitzø has always been doing his best to be a good dad to her, and she thanks him for saving her life by being a complete bitch. It's been five. Fucking. Years. Of unconditional love and support from Blitzø's side. And what does he get in return? A kick in the balls. Blitzø also got beat up by her and hit with the "if I'm so terrible why don't you replace me" after he rightfully called her out and you're trying to tell me Blitzø was the one in the wrong and how this isn't abusive huh ok then whatever ya say

I won't talk about the upcoming episode much. I honestly just don't have the strength anymore. But to make it as short as possible, Stolas is gonna be treated like an uwu poor sad gay boi and once again choose Blitzø, the guy he r*ped, over his own child.

If you check out the leaked story boards for s2 ep12, you'll see how disgusting it is that Via is spitting nothing but facts and yet she'll be demonized by the writers, Stolas lovers and Stolitz shippers. Just...

Please stop lying, dude. Just stop. You shattered her entire life and neglected her for a guy you abused and never got to know on a level that's deeper than sex. No wonder Via thinks he doesn’t love her anymore. The line above gives me the same vibe as THIS line also they made Stolas not only ACT like a guy who victimizes himself but LOOK that way too

STOP LYING. JUST SHUT UP.

I hate this self-pitying hypocrite sm.

And yeah, I get it: he was put in an arranged marriage (this was clearly a retcon, but whatever floats viv's boat) despite being gay and was sheltered and never had friends, but those are explanations for his behavior, not excuses.

Oh and, to anyone who thinks otherwise: Emotional neglect is a form of abuse.

Closing Thoughts

One important thing that I noticed with both Scratch and Grounder and Octavia, is how none of them feel at home with their fathers. A reliable way to know whether you've failed as a parent or not is to see how your behavior affects your kid(s). How does your behavior make them feel?

Let's see here... *checks notes*

Octavia says how Stolas ruined their family, not Stella and in ep12 she's finally gonna call him out on his bullshit thank god. but unfortunately the toxic gay ship will once again be a priority because it's gay

Scratch and Grounder are terrified of Robotnik's wrath, he constantly makes them feel useless and unwanted, but at the same time, they have no problem betraying him both of them always come back to him, just like how Blitzø doesn't leave his abuser because he wants to feel "loved" and "needed" for once even though Stolas treats him like shit

So yeah, if you made your kid(s) feel this way, you've officially failed as a father.

[resisteverything]

Anyone else bothered by how Helluva boss is about an evil horny predatory pansexual succubus man who has constant disastrous toxic relationships due to his hyper sexual nature, and the monogamous cisgender opposite sex couple that he stalks and obsesses over because he envies how healthy and stable their marriage is?

It sounds like the premise of an old horror movie that’s super homophobic. But sure this show is sex positive.

[bump-inthe-night]

Vivziepop fans claiming adding black features to her black characters would’ve made it “too difficult” to animate them is a hilarious excuse considering this is the same woman who had characters like these animated:

Another excuse fans have been using is that Vivziepop’s art style is “unsuitable” for black characters, despite her crew members proving otherwise: 

No art style is "unsuitable" for black characters because it's the artist's responsibility to learn how to draw them in their style. There's no excuse for black characters not looking black in your style.

Vivziepop could draw black features in her style but CHOSE not to, hence why none of the black characters look black outside their skin color, which sometimes they don't even have.