#vivziepop crit

[moldy-lemons]

oooo the misogyny is strong here

[spopsalt]

I have no problem with twinks. I only have a problem with them when they are twinks when it doesn't make any sense for them to be twinks. Like...Lucifer is Charlie's dad...WHY DOES HE LOOK LIKE HER BROTHER?! Alastor is meant 130! Why does he look as old as Charlie!? WHY IS VIV SO OBESSESSED WITH TWINKS!? IS SHE ALLERGIC TO MAKING MALE CHARACTERS LOOK LIKE ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN TWINKS?!

[moonibinbon]

Genuinely cannot tell if this is sarcasm or not holy shit

[neeweekeewee]

Baby’s First MeatRider 🥰

I blocked this person because this was getting ridiculous.

This person was upset that I said Stolitz was abusive. I literally do not understand why people come onto the critical tag just to throw a conniption that people DARE have a different opinion than you. I also cannot stand when people say that “If you don’t like it, don’t watch/interact with it.” Thats stupid. If everyone were to do this, literally nothing would get done. Activism would not exist.

What got me about this person was that they were saying that I have no right to speak on a topic because it’s fictional and I should just not watch it.

They assumed that I was not a victim of SA (which I AM btw). Then they said that any type of media should be allowed if it helps SA survivors “cope”.

They continued by saying that I don’t support victims of trauma because I am against “immoral content”. Since they didn’t specify what they meant by immoral content I am assuming the worst since they also practically admitted that any media should be allowed after I asked if depictions/representation of rape, murder, child p0rn, homophobia, classism, racism, and others should be allowed as long as it’s fictional (something I am totally against btw). And MF said “any media” sooooo….

That’s called abuse.

If you like watching others get victimized because it helps you cope. Thats disgusting and you need to get help immediately. Please.

Does anyone else have anything to add? Especially about the whole “Watching depictions of SA helping a victim cope with their own experience” thing. Because maybe there’s something I’m not understanding there…

I would love your opinions!

Also FYI; Proshippers, Pedophiles, Racists, Transphobes, Homophobes, Nazis, Zionists, Misogynists, Ableists, Rape Apologists, AND Minors are not allowed on my page! DNI!!!!!

I am an adult, neurodivergent, queer, and female and I DO NOT TOLERATE ANY HATE AGAINST A GROUP OF PEOPLE.

[jaybybyby]

FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT

like seriously Vivzepop would proudly say “hazbin hotel is a female lead show” and then the female characters are non existent like hell when the pilot first came out who got a official comic not the main character Charlie ANGEL DUST was the one who got a official comic and a music video 🙄 like seriously Vivzepop stop telling your fanbase that your female characters are important and then throw them on the side for the sake of the male characters it’s the Millie and loona problem all over again but worse

exactly </3 i've talked about it on discord more but it's especially obvious when it comes to angel. ignoring the fact that his character in general was badly done, he just didn't need the screentime. maybe next season? but in season one you want to focus on your MAIN main characters, and that would include charlie and vaggie. sure, vaggie got some focus, but she learned absolutely nothing during her episodes and maybe they could have focused on her getting over herself about her guilt and improving rather than giving angel all the spotlight. move his shit to season two! move husk's shit to season two! move these character's stories to season two, let season one establish our main two first!

[anglercrit]

This was basically how I wanted to fix it- at first it's just Stolas excited to see his childhood friend and the one person he felt like he formed an actual connection with, and then the romance blooms from there

"I feel like Stolitz would've been so much better if it didn't start out as sexual. Like, maybe Stolas was just lonely, and their meet-ups would just involve Stolas venting to Blitzø about his struggles or something along those lines. After a while, Stolas genuinely falls in love with him, but he doesn't tell him out of fear of Blitzø thinking he's a creep or that he's manipulating him (being more than aware of their class difference). Meanwhile, Blitzø is indifferent to Stolas and is just trying to do his job. There, Viv! You got your achillean pining drama without the weird rapey vibes."

[critical-velvet]

Mimzy appreciation post

She’s a cutie patootie!!!

[moldy-lemons]

A page inside the Hazbin Hotel playbill :

Seems kinda ironic, doesn’t it?

[spopsalt]

The fact that Helluva Boss removing Blitzo's self-loathing and making him realize that he's not a fucking terrible person (Even if he is) isn't a bad idea on paper, BUT as someone who struggles with intense self-loathing, the speed at which they are doing it is SO unrealistic. Now, self-loathing tends to stem from emotional abuse/bullying, as being constantly told insults will cause you to internalize them. You tend to form consistent self-loathing after years of this happening, again I am speaking from experience.

Now Blitzo seems to have self-loathing, as he tells Stolas that the reason why he couldn't believe that Stolas loved him was because he didn't see how "A prince like you could love an imp like me" (And TOTALLY not because Stolas is a fucking creep that consistently made him uncomfortable) but this seems to be getting lesser, while that's all well and good...it's not a quick and easy process. Your brain has been wired to think one way about yourself, and it can takes weeks, months, or even years to rewire your brain to think differently, so Blitzo suddenly learning to hate himself less, is just so disrespectful and unrealistic, but ofc it's like this because Viv doesn't know shit about pacing and developing characters in a natural way

[bloopiebloop]

Hot take: As annoying as it is the Abel is yet ANOTHER whitewashed blonde...

I love his design ngl. He looks so joyous, and his arms actually kinda look chubby to match the rest of his body for once.

I really like his gold and red color palette, too! The red is a lot more pleasant than the ones Viv is usually obsessed with.

Also he generally looks really sweet, which makes me kinda anxious for how bad(ly written) his character will be in reality 😭

[matt0044]

On RWBY, The Amazing Digital Circus and Toxic Indie Fandoms...

Fans of cartoons, animated movies and animation in general have a... bit of a complex. Largely when it come to snubbing a new movie and/or show for not being just like what ever the standard bearer is at the time. A mentality that really hurts critical discussion than help. Like... getting mad at, say, Big City Greens of what Disney pulled with The Owl House is just not cool.

I find it happens a lot with Animation Twitter spaces being all about taking Disney down a peg be it because Spiderverse or Puss In Boots (take your pick at this point). Though in that case, it's a case of one-up-manship getting way too out of hand since there's at least a vocal push back.

With RWBY being pitted against every other indie animation, it's actually not too much of a unique case.

It has been a small scale project getting massive amounts of hype from the pilot (or Trailers as with RWBY's case) only for the show to come out and split its pre-established audience down the middle.

This split starts and widens when it comes to how a character may be initially presented only for more facets to them to be revealed. It should go without saying buuuuuuut the creative team are not mind-readers. Even the most popular of fanworks will inevitably NOT reflect what the show will develop into whether they come close or not.

However, that investment in fanon is liable to clash with what canon goes with. Some fans take it is stride and are willing to hear the showrunners on their direction. Others... take it personally.

Maybe a character that seemed mean but wronged turns out to be a very shitty person.

Maybe a character that seemed shitty has some hidden depths beyond how they initally came across.

Maybe the story is taking a turn that, well, had precedence but feels alienating to those who preferred the previous status quo.

Maybe the pacing feels off with certain reveals that may be a skill issue on the writer's part.

The issues may vary but a lot of this comes from a sort of "bigger they are" type of backlash with a lot of specific expectations formed of the story before there even was one.

Now this might sound like RWBY but... a lot of them were inspired by the polarized comments of Helluva Boss Season 2.

It happening to Vivziepop.

It's happening to RWBY.

And let me tell you, it WILL happen to The Amazing Digital Circus even if it has a limited run planned.

A character will become more than just some fan's blorbo for better or worse and said fans will loose their shit.

A ship will sail however much they wanted sunk.

No matter what, there will always be ONE FAN that will be pissed off.

[anglercrit]

No you wanna know the funny thing about this guy? People kept asking Viv what his name was because why wouldn't they, it felt like they were setting him up for more (I mean he was the main focus of one of the first teaser gifs) Viv got MAD over people asking his name and gave him a stupid joke name.

So you'll give Crim's bodyguard, a character I saw absolutely no one talk about a serious name, but when people ask you for the name of a character that's not only the inciting incident for the rest of the plot of the episode but seems to be set up as a potential love interest for Loona, you throw a hissyfit?

Ok seriously, what was the point of this guy again. He just shows up in Queen Bee hits on Loona and does nothing else in the entire episode. Not like it's a tease for him being a potential love interest cause Viv never bothered giving him an actual name and if he is, not to mention it makes Loona come off pretty shallow like she feels like an outsider than when some guy flirts with her she's suddenly a social butterfly and this could've been fix if it was Tex who convinced her to stay to further develop their relationship and add more insight on Loona lashing out at Bee cause of her feelings for Vortex. One of the many reasons I hate episode 8. #Loonadeservesbetter

[jaybybyby]

Okay so the spoiler leak for hazbin is that Lilith is disguised as Rosie who sent Alastor to look after Charlie and Eve disguised herself as Lilith in her place which she then turns out to be manipulated by the true villain of hazbin in an evil woman called the “Root of All Evil”

wait that's actually sick. who came up with that? i don't exactly think viv can think far ahead enough to weave that together,

lilith pretending to be rose would make sense for why rose was so willing to immediately act as almost a motherly figure for charlie. but then at the same time, alastor seemed to act the most genuine around her, but he wants out of his deal, so then what's up with that? does alastor himself not know that lilith is disguised as rosie? otherwise his actions would seem incredibly mixed.

and if eve is disguised as lilith, why was she so nonchalant about adam's death? whether she actually liked him or not, that's her husband, and the literal first man EVER. you'd think she'd show a little bit more emotion towards that, whether it be joy or sorrow.

[souplife]

I just saw a mirror of the Lily crit space in the form of the vivziepop crit space and god if that's what we look like I feel like a fucking moron.

it is so pathetic how much they hate this queer woman for being successful and having her cringey Tumblr show on air instead of THEIR cringey Tumblr show which would TOTALLY be 100% pure and good and do everything right and not be problematic at all

SHUT THE FUCK UP NO ONE CARES, we are adults who live in the real world where people make mistakes and then move on! the only thing I've seen ov vivziepop crit that was valid at all was transphobia, and SHE'S APOLOGIZED AND ACKNOWLEDGED THAT SHE WAS WRONG AND MOVED ON, UNLIKE YOU

edit: I should say, I'm not comparing Lily and Vivs in any way other than the fact they both have a following of critics. obviously Lily is much worse because she's done actually morally bad things with actual proof. when someone can show me concrete proof that vivzie has done something awful without apologizing for it, I'll change my mind.

[anglercrit]

LITERALLY- like looking at the leaks for the episode where Octavia finally runs away she blames stolas taking antidepressants on her when STELLA HAS YELLED AT AND TRIED TO PHYSICALLY ASSAULT STOLAS MULTIPLE TIMES IN FRONT OF HER!!! Like I still think Stolas is being written like garbage but come ON this is the one thing Octavia SHOULDNT be getting mad at him over!

In S1, Octavia only blames Stolas for their family falling apart but never mentions like... Stella neglecting her in her childhood? Which means that it's NOT her mother's neglect but Stolas' cheating that ruined everything. Hell, Via never even mentions that she heard her parents arguing or Stella being violent towards Stolas (before he cheated on her)?

Then, in S2, we are told that Stella was an abuser from the start.

this doesn't make any sense.

[critical-velvet]

There’s just no fucking way anyone finds this actually sexy, right? Right….?