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Dead beat Husk. I missed so many important moments, but the one that eats away at me the most is the day I found myself drunk in an alley, completely oblivious to the fact that it was my own daughter's wedding.I remember lying in a filthy alley, drunk as a skunk, while she walked down the aisle without me"

Oh gosh, that is sad. And reminds me of how my own bio-maternal grandfather ended up wasting his life at times and being distant with his family.

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Viv will probably make Husk a dead beat dad. But (if the show wasn't filled with dead beat dad) Husk being kinda works. he spend all this time gambling and drinking. He broken as he lost everything. even his family.

That could work in a better show and make him regret it. But nope probably won't get that.

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Since when did Viv says She hates CharliexAlastor? And if she does she really should have thought about that before making Al. because no shit people will ship him with Charlie.

I think she's gotten annoyed with it since people latched onto it instead of Chaggie because she couldn't put effort to give them chemistry.

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So was Vaggie a pirate? Why is Vaggie figure has a pirate crow nest

We don't know. We don't know because she's now an Angel which makes even less sense.

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https://twitter.com/youtooz/status/1882849009502753030?s=19

Not gonna buy it and that one tiny teeth between Pentious's fangs is weird but WE FINALLY GOT SIR PENTIOUS FIGURE LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Not gonna buy it either, but look at that precious little pooter. Isn't he just the best character? He sure is!

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Fanfic is not queer media. Queer media has existed long before fanfics. Vintage gay pornographies, since the 60s, Greek pottery depicting men having sex with eachother, Shakespeare infamous sonnet that qas addressed to a male lover, a lot of plays written in the 1500s were pretty queer if you look into the subtext of it. Queer media has existed for years. I don’t wanna diss fanfic writers because they fucking carry viv shows. I’ve read better fanfics than anything viv can only dream to write.

This is the first time I’ve seen anyone say “Fanfic is thinly veils homophobia” it’s making a mountain under a mole hole. Nobody else has ever said this before, when people say something is a fanfic, they’re not saying “I hate queer media” it’s the writing is just amateur and indulgent writing, that has no flow and is whatever the writer wants it to be without having it make sense.

S2 episode 1 has fanfic because it was that “meet one time in childhood, we’re best formed and than forgot each other in adulthood” trope that plaques romance anime. Why did they have met as kids? Oh because viv saw a crew member fanon “what if” art, and decided to write a fanfic about that. Thats why the circus is fanfic because she literally wrote a fanfic and is too embarrassed and insecure to admit it. Thats why what constitutes as fanfic, viv.

She knows damn well that when people say "Viv's writing reads like a fanfic," they're saying that it reads like what the outside world thinks all fanfiction is, an amateurish mess, the dredge of Wattpad. She can't take that and she's too much of an insecure, petulant child to ignore it, so she's got to resort to throwing out accusations of homophobia at an audience that she also knows damn well is predominantly queer themselves.

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It would make for sense to switch Angel and Husk's deaths around. Husk running a casino and a bootlegger during the 20's and 30's. Angel Dust being this young kid that was living in 60's and 70's the sexual revolution, the Stonewall riots and the drug crase. Angel Dust's new death, either still OD, is killed in the Stonewall riots/do to a hate crime. Vietnam. or killed himself. Angel Dust works better in the 60 to 70 and Husk as a crime during the 20's and 30's

I would say make it a gambling hall since casinos became a thing in the 30s. But putting angel in the 70s so works.

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Niffty was around in the 40 and 50. Sad Niffty a woman and she won't be anything more then gremlin. As her being Japensse living in the US during that time. like go dark. why have these characters being from different times and not doing anything about that era.

Because that means doing research and she's about surface level asthetic. Just like angel being Italian American and alastor being mixed creole.

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If you could erase your favourite show from your mind to rewatch it blind again for the first time. Which show? I would say either Gravitly Falls or Breaking Bad.

Gf

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Been watching Kiff and Centaurworld and mam Viv wasted Kimiko Glenn. She can sing.

I agree along with nifty's Japanese American background.

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It is a joke as The President made it law that a person's gender is the gender at conception. At conception the gender is female. (before it will later stay female or turn male) so yeah it joke as by the wording everyone is female.

No it's plain contrarian stupidity trying to act smart like viv's humor. Also that's not true is bs info by sjw warriors who think they are smart.

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Angel Dust. "Hey, Vaggie. If I was alive right now I would be a woman."

Interesting. I wonder why.

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I don’t care about Valentino, he’s the worst written villain I’ve seen thus far. He’s a stupid character that the writers want to believe is powerful and scary, it’s like the only way viv can write a villain intimidating is if she writes them saying their gonna rape someone as a threat. Obviously that’s scary viv, rape is fucking terrifying I wouldn’t use it lightly or jokingly like you do because you don’t care and can’t just admit you get off to that kind of stuff. Everytime I see Angel and Valentino on screen together, I’m gonna be scared for Angel because he’s gonna be raped because that’s all Valentino seems to do. You can’t write a rapist character, have that be their entire character and than try to soften the blow by saying “he’s so bubble coded uwu” “lol he’s like the Karen of the group he’s so dumb XD” you can’t woobify a rapist. Should Joel get shit for getting paid to voice act a rapist? Absolutely not. However needs to realize this isn’t a “haha funny dumb villain, he’s so dramatic and sexy bad” this is a rapist. This isn’t “Angel and Valentino have a toxic dynamic” this is sex trafficking. “Its CNC” no it isn’t CNC is in a safe controlled environment, there’s safe words to stop a scene if it’s too much for a sub/dom. Angel isn’t allowed to say no, that’s rape. How has Valentino done better for fans beside use him for their angst fanfic and fanart and sell their own merch?

I don’t blame you for not caring about Valentino, there’s not much going on for him besides the elephant in the room (aka him being a rapist). The only thing that’s “intimidating” about Valentino is him raping Angel Dust and that’s it. Otherwise, I personally never found him to be a good villain like most of the fandom hypes him up to be.

Out of all the Vees, Valentino has the most screen time/episodes and I don’t even take him seriously unless he’s raping Angel Dust. Even in voice acting it shows that.

In his inconsistent “normal” voice, Valentino is a screaming about something and has to be coddled by Vox. But once Valentino is abusing Angel Dust, the deep “intimidating” voice comes on.

It’s so unserious, that’s why I prefer Paranoid DJ’s performance of Valentino. He doesn’t need to change his voice when abusing Angel Dust because he is always be in control of the situation. Vivziepop could prove me wrong, I’ll gladly wait for season 2 as it’s the Vees season for the most part.

Also can we talk about how nonexistent Valentino’s charm is. I thought he was a sauve person. Does he always tell any sinner he sees that he can make them a star in the most boring way possible?

Yeah, Joel needs to stop making comments like that. That man needs PR agent and social media manager, stat. Just compliment the art and move on. 😂 Thank you Anon for speaking facts. Angel Dust and Valentino is not an equally toxic dynamic or complex, it’s literally sex trafficking. And the slave being raped constantly by his master.

I don’t know too about CNC, but doesn’t it at least require consent like the name implies. Currently nothing about Valentino and Angel Dust’s relationship/dynamic screams consensual.

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I just saw the screenshot of Joel saying "There's a trigger warning before the episode" no there fucking wasn't???? Viv herself admitted on Threads that she didn't even know if there'd be one or not. A warning was added AFTER the ep came out and people were constantly being angry about it.

Jesus christ fuck you Joel.

Because that's exactly how survivors should have to find out that there's a violent gang rape scene in something, from the creator's social media tantrum on Threads!

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Did vivziepop herself said something along the lines of 'if you don't like my shows and compare them to fanfiction you're homophobic' or am I misremembering things?

Here it is.

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triple trouble 🐱🦌🦐

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This is probably going to be an horrible take.

So, I’m doing this quickly without much thought, maybe I’m wrong but, why is the abuse in these shows so basic?

This came out wrong, I know, but hear me out. Who are the abusive characters in both Hazbin and Helluva whose actions are acknowledged as abusive?

There’s Blitzø within his past unknown relationships. Then again, I’m talking about the characters that didn't face repercussions (yet) and are evil. So, all the characters that are left are Stella, Valentino, Cash, Paimon, Mammon, and Crimson.

How do these characters abuse their victims?

Do they use physical violence?

Yes. Mammon was the only one who didn't hit Fizz on screen. Then again, he was willing to kill him at the end of the circus episode.

Do they threaten/manipulate their victims?

Yes they do, Stella is the only one too dumb to do that. Paimon doesn’t need to manipulate Stolas.

How do they generally act with their victims?

Stella’s a bitch who belittle Stolas every second and relishes in his suffering?

Cash is also a bitch, for lack of a masculine equivalent, who doesn’t care about his son. But he’ll also manipulate him if money’s on the line.

Mammon made Fizz believe he cared about him and pushed him through the edge to gain money.

Paimon’s neglectful.

For Valentino… do I need to explain? He threatens Angel, beats him up, rape him, and everything else I didn't mention.

How are they when not directly interacting with their victims?

Stella is an erratic dumb bitch. The only time we see her without Stolas she’s gossiping about him. She ignores Octavia.

Crimson is a crime lord, who screams at his employees when they don’t do a bad job. And he’s e€EeEvil.

Valentino’s an erratic bitch when things don’t go his way. He’s also a creep, and pretty much sexually assaults anyone. He licked Charlie’s arm and initiated physical contact when she was clearly uncomfortable. I guess he does that with anyone he wants to recruit.

Mammon’s a disgusting, greedy asshole, and he’s sexist too.

Cash a greedy asshole.

Paimon’s an asshole.

Is there any explanation for their abuse? (Not something that makes them sympathetic, just explain the why.)

They’re evil.

Do anyone see the issues here?

The abuse representation is painfully redundant, you don’t need to explain why these characters are abusive, but for these shows that are advertised as deep and mature, I’m surprised by the lack of depth. I’m not asking for a backstory, I’m asking for interesting characters, AND, I’m also asking for a wide variation of representation in terms of ‘abusing technique’ or ways to abuse someone.

What do I mean by that?

Assuming you’re not racist, homophobic, anti-woke, or whatever they call it these days. You’re aware that representing people of all religions, nationalities, genders, or sexualities is important. It’s the same thing for the representation of abuse victims but also abusers.

We live in a society where many are unaware of how abusive relationships can look like, if you want multiple people to be abusers in your story, I believe it is wise to make sure you put different types of abuse to show the viewer: “This is what abuse looks like. But this is how it could also look like.” The same ways goes for the victims’ response to the abuse because we’re all different.

In the Hellaverse abuse is physical/verbal violence, manipulation, Ee€Evilnes$. And the abuser can also be stupid.

First of all, by making it such a black-and-white perspective you’re ultimately raising the question: “How didn't the victims see it coming?” Now, some people are just visibly assholes, they exist and people mentally vulnerable enough will fall for it. You can represent that if you want, but at the cost of explaining why the victims fell for it. Then again, even if your abuser is unapologetically evil, you wouldn’t make them cartoonishly evil because, at the end of the day, your goal is to make something serious, right… right?

My second point is that it oversimplicates abuse, there’s no depth to these characters. They are just there to make you feel bad for the victims, the only one susceptible to having debt later is Valentino. Viv did say she wanted to make another show centered on the Vees.

The same thing can be applied to the abuser’s victims because their reactions are almost the same. They all fully hate their abuser and only listen to them because they are powerful, except for Fizz who liked Mammon, and Stolas who stayed with Stella for his daughter. You can hate your abuser, I very much hate all of the people who hurt me deeply enough to scare me mentally. But then again, all they need is more nuisance regarding how the victims feel.

Considering these abusers are obliviously evil they should have a mental grip over their victims so strong they simply choose to not leave. Then you can show them slowly loosing that grip, don’t say “Well, Angel Dust…” he hates Valentino. He only stays because he’s owned through contract. “But his song..!” What will Angel do the second he’s free? Will he go back to his abuser, and feel guilty about leaving Valentino alone because the moth manipulated him, or some shit? No, Angel will leave and try to forget him.

I know, it’ll probably sound wrong to a lot of people but I just find it distasteful that they don’t try and show a variety of ways to abuse someone, especially how it’s not always oblivious that someone’s an abuser.