#hellaverse critique

[officeobject]

As always, if anything happens, I'll post it on my Xanderweb (my other social media things are there too) - currently the Xanderweb is just used for me to dump any thoughts or images or old stories, etc, but still: https://xanderweb.yooco.org/profile/admin.html

matt just fired half the remaining tumblr support staff lmao

[kiraisrika]

So i see this tweet

And it dawned on me, this made sense, this is the answer why character design inside The Hellaverse feels weirdly not fitting, out of place if you will.

OC stands for Original characters its a character you made yourself.

Every character is an oc but not all oc meant to be a character, at least narratively.

Viv wants to tell a story about hell, so naturally she will make characters that befit this title and their lore.

But she didn't.

A character design has to tell a story, especially since there is a narrative that shaped them.

I didn't say that she can't make a good character design, i actually loved a few consistent design details such as the imps horn, the motif of envy residents being underwater creatures and many more.

But a lot of other characters especially the main characters have this problem

Take Beelzebub as an example, you will never guess shes the sin of gluttony because her character design didn't fit that at all.

Or Lucifer's design didn't scream "king of hell" for me.

Naturally with a premise as interesting and ambiguous as the concept of hell itself there are many rooms for unique character design that tell their respective story.

So, Heres a few tips to make your ocs feel like characters

Establish design details that will be consistent with each character. maybe even their faction, their ring, their backstory. But do not overdesign them to the point of clutter.

Make combination colours! Think about complementary colors that will look good on a character.

Create details that every character has uniquely on themselves!

And make sure the character stands out from the background! make a contrast between scenes, maybe even wrap the background according to the characters emotions

And most importantly, create backstory, motivations, and flaws for your character to make them compelling, create relationship charts to keep track of how they interact!

Remember to have fun when creating a character, ocs whatever, this is just my thoughts

Thats my rambling haha

[darwuzhere]

*posts my Octavia redesign that I'm going to reclaim as my oc and rename her Olivia*

A few things about her

13-14 y/o

She/Her (is also cool with They/Them)

Is questioning if she's gnc or non-binary

REALLY likes capri-suns (they're very much her comfort drink)

Wants to dress more gothic but can't due to their parents being very strict, so for the moment they just wear whatever makes them comfortable or looks good on them.

Makes the badges herself!

Aaaand that's very much it for now folks

[toestychonk]

Decided to do a video on Vivzie cuz I have a lot to say about how she runs her studio, her writing, and general attitude.

What should I bring up in the video?

I got 3 sections.

1. Piss baby: Viv's attitude problem

2. Shlock: Vivzie's terrible writing and the lack of care within it

3. Coming from inside the house: Terrible management, neopitism, and creeps.

[officeobject]

I'm glad I'm not the ONLY one, who thinks she looks like a child (even when emoting and whatnot)! Also, SHE (the original) WAS BASED ON BUGS?!

the first of my hazbin and helluva redesigns starting with my favorite character, NIFFTY!!!

pre-death story and inspirations below the cut!

before she died, niffty was a housewife, residing in the fukuoka prefecture in japan. she was married to a man for a little over 4 years. their lives were quiet, yet happy. almost. niffty had her fair share of misfortunes; she was diagnosed with OCD and had constant instrusive thoughts of aggression/violence, either towards herself or others. though her and her husband had a stable enough income, she refused treatment, afraid of the cost and it interfering with her fixed schedule. on top of her diagnosis, she also was infertile and could not have children. this saddened her, though she convinced herself it was for the best due to the fact she thought her condition would be detrimental to any kid she might have. her husband didn't like this however. he desired kids, and niffty's infertility became a source of growing resentment. her husband started to cheat on her with another woman. what began as a secret affair eventually turned into a second life- one niffty was never meant to discover. but she did. and when she did, her intrusive thoughts became far more than fleeting visions. they became consuming, vivid fantasies she could no longer suppress. the images of inflicting pain- the ones she had spent YEARS trying to silence- now felt like a promise of justice. one evening, she made their usual tea, just like she had countless times before. but this time, she stirred drain cleaner into both cups. the stench was foul. she sat across from him at the table, her hands trembling slightly as she lifted the cup to her lips. he drank without suspicion, despite the disgusting, rotten odor coming from his cup. for a brief moment, they sat in silence, just like they always did. then, the coughing started. the retching. his throat burned, his voice strained with confusion and pain. niffty watched him struggle, her eyes dull and distant. she didn’t move to help. she only stared, feeling the same searing pain clawing at her own throat. by the time anyone found them, they were lying cold on the kitchen floor. their tea cups were shattered nearby, the sharp scent of chemicals still lingering in the air. to everyone else, it seemed like a tragic accident or a suicide pact. but only niffty, now down in hell's depths, knew the truth. she made sure they left this world together, bound by the same pain that had quietly torn them apart.

niffty's design has bothered me for many reasons, the main being that: 1. she looks like a child 2. she barely looks like a bug, what her motifs are supposed to be. 3. her hair is not 50's at ALL, which is when she supposedly died (which seems to be a major problem with vivzie's designs, the sinners do not match the era they died in.)

to combat these problems, i have her a more mature and period accurate hairstyle, as well as some lipstick! her pilot design had colored lips so i always thought of it as red lips. her original hairstyle looked more like some sort of shaggy bob, while female style's in the 50's were much more curly/wavy and well-kempt. i'm going with a 7 deadly sins motif for each of the main characters. of the sins, niffty represents ENVY.

she is now based off an asian lady beetle, which are commonly mistaken for ladybugs. lady beetles have a foul smelling odor, which i'm giving niffty as a nod/punishment to the smell of the drain cleaner that killed her and her husband. they're also known to bite as a defense mechanism. along with her buglike limbs and her spotted dress, her headband is supposed to mimic bug antenna.

as nods to her heritage, her teeth are similar to an oni (a japanese demon), and the top of her dress is crossed over like a kimono. instead of the normal correct way to wear a kimono where it is folded left over right, it is right over left, which is for dressing the dead.

if you came down this far, thanks for reading !! i really hope you like her, i think even after i re-do all of the other characters she'll be my favorite design. reblogs and constructive criticism is appreciated! <3

[officeobject]

Hellaverse critics, tag yourself on which Hellaverse character/character trope you are, based on your sexuality - if yours isn't in the Hellaverse, then you don't exist.

I'm half-existing (so, like, maybe fictional in-Hellaverse) for my aro identity (not to mention me being apothiaro + arolovic specifically - also, it's HALF, because there's ace representation, so I do exist, but there isn't aro representation, so I DON'T exist),

And then for my asexuality, (excluding my apothiace anticarnal stuff), I am: MINOR (this is based on the fact that the ace representation is either greedy Mammon, Alastor who I've heard is shitty and selfish, and also Octavia, who is the only normal person, who happens to be a minor).

Again, your turn.

[woofs-silly-ships]

"ace in the hole" is old slang used to mean a hidden advantage. Ace being used to mean asexual is only within the past 15-20 years.

I think with that particular line, Viv meant it in the old slang, forgot the younger gen asexuals call themselves ace, and pretended that's what she meant all along. (I'm 99% sure Viv never pays attention to the TQIA+ side, so that's why she ignores and excludes us)

Rosie calling Al her hidden advantage makes far more sense, especially with these new leaks.

Anyway, I don't think Viv should have bothered making an aroace character. She is obviously very into shipping culture and is definitely stepping away from any aromantic Alastor ideas. We'll probably have to say goodbye to his asexuality as well. Hazbin and HB are very LGB only kind of shows.

Oh my god. OH MY GOD

welp. There goes my remaining positive thoughts on that line.

And that also means Al didn’t just not know what asexual meant, he genuinely was like “Rosie wtf- can you not-“ AND THEN VIV PROBABLY TWISTED IT TO MAKE PEOPLE BELIEVE SHE HAD DECENT REPRESENTATION-

that last part is genuinely how I feel about the whole canon hellaverse tho, but even that’s debatable when you look at how stereotyped the gay and pan characters specifically are (the gay characters are all dramatic and horny/sex obsessed, and the pan characters are all also horny to an even more extreme degree (except Bee for some reason, I need to rescue her and Tex from this freaking show istg 😭)). I think Viv wants to be an ally of some kind but is just failing miserably

Yeah but if Alastor ever gets a canon partner or is no longer asexual I will be down pounding my head against the kitchen floor (/ref [never missing the chance for a will wood reference]) before writing a 50 page essay on how stupid that decision is /hj… only half joking.

But like yeah. Viv, we get it, you like shipping. But you can live without shipping just one character but having free rein of most others. It’s not that hard.

[imaginative-123]

Hazbin Hotel redesigns and edit by me

Edit: Minors do not interact, reblog or like my post bc I will block you.

This is not an attack on Viviziepop or claim my designs are better than her, I just edited this during my free time for redesigns.

Although I don't hate Charlie's redesign but I prefer the original and I've seen some people prefer the original so I decided to mash 2 together but still retain the original design and make her suit lighter red mixed with light pink to make her colors stand out amongst the red background and also make her eyes lively and I reedit the background colors to make it darker and brown color pallete to not make her design colors similar to the original background bc there are also classic hotel interiors that have brown or dark color backgrounds.

I've seen some people complain that Alastor has too much red so not to hate on the redesign but just reedit the design and put other colors and I tried to make them complement each other despite being set in Hell that is full of Red in the Pride Ring, I decided to stay faithful to the colors of the Pride Ring's sky to the pilot bc there are other people complaining the sky is too red but however there is one scene from the pilot that has night colors too so it might help not to make the background I reedit as too much red so I made them darker and the bottom lighter including Alastor's work place to make him stand out. I also gave him deer features including his hands as deer hooves including adding more black horns and a deer tail.

I liked Vaggie's redesign but still I missed her white colors in the original that also make her stand out so I did retain some blues and pink colors from her stocking and applied it to her dark skirt while also making her blouse white and give her puffy sleeves.

Angel Dust's design is an improvement over the original but I still have my own gripes that there are still reds and whites on the gloves so I decided to make them darker including the bowtie but also add dark designs on the white gloves, and made his eye color the same as his other eye and recolor his yellow tooth on the other side to make it similar to Valentino's tooth and remove his chocker bc he looks similar to Vaggie.

I still decided to redesign Nifty's teeth and give her lipstick similar to the housewives of her time in the 50's and use her pilot red hair and retain her pilot orange eyes.

For Sir Pentious' body, I gave him a different build to not make it similar to Alastor, Lucifer, and Vox who have triangular twink designs, so I based it from this wiki:

According to the "Clocktower Countdown to Premiere" livestream, Sir Pentious died in 19th century London.[2] This appears to be consistent with his pilot biography stating that Sir Pentious died in 1888.[1]

Plus I gave him the time period design from the 18th - 19th Century London, and I retain his pilot design to merge with the show's redesign including removing his sharp teeth and replace it with fangs since he has a snake like design.

Cherri Bomb I redesign her outfit to make her look like a 1980's punk and gave her a normal bust and a different sharp teeth design.

As for Husk I redesigned him to make him look more a cat and removed the top hats and gave him a white hair to signify he's older, and I gave him card diamond designs on his paws since he used to gamble and make his wings have circles to make it look different, and I have him wore a bartender outfit since he's part of the Hazbin Hotel and not someone who lost his soul to the Overlord. Also I gave him a muscular build since Angel is into strong daddies and that might explain why he's attracted to Husk.

For Lucifer I decided to make him look older since his OG design looks like a younger brother to Charlie, and I gave him wide shoulders including his body and gave him a goatee and mustache and snake eyes to make him look like a Dad and based his eyes from his pilot version from the Family Portrait where Alastor was looking at, and I also make his purple snake from the pilot since it turned to gold in the show, and I based the snake from the interpretation from the Bible and also retain the pilot colors to the redesign. Plus instead of a bowtie since he's the ringmaster, I instead have him a black dress shirt and red tie.

For the Vees, I redesigned Valentino by giving him a stronger build to make him intimidating to Angel and instead of the red coat I gave him a darker blue mixed with indigo since blue is also the color of Lust, and I gave him Moth white wings behind him, and I decided to gave him gold accents since he's the richest Overlord in Hell, and I also designed him a proboscis moth tongue since according to what I researched it was said that a moth's proboscis is a tube-shaped mouthpart that allows the moth to suck up nectar and other liquids. Since Val has a liquid that is filled with drugs to manipulate Angel and any other victims.

For Vox since his OG Design is way too similar to the men in the show, I gave him a different build and a technology look since he's an advanced demon and his mouth I gave him what he looks like a heart beat line when he talks and this is not an offense to the voice actor for Vox but I expected his voice to sound like he came from technology.

As for Velvette's redesign since I found out she's supposed to be black so I decided to give her features to make her look like a black person of afro hair and lips, and I changed her eye color to not make it look similar to Carmilla Carmine, and I gave her a witch looking hat since that's what she wore in the FINALE.

For Carmilla Carmine since she has grey skinned so I gave her brown skin to make it look similar to her daughter who also has one, and I gave her a normal bust to maker look like a Mom.

So here are also the edited characters with background to make the characters blend with background and not look like an eyesore full of red.

So for Rosie I based it on Viv's speedraw of her where she had normal teeth bc she's supposed to be based from Mary Poppins and quote from the movie itself, "Mary Poppins, practically perfect in every way."

I also reedited the background to make it look like daylight since I based it from Helluva Boss' pilot where the sky is white.

I redesigned Mimzy since she's supposed to be based from a chicken according to Vivziepop.

Lastly for the FINALE, I redesigned the background to make it night time since the OG has full of red colors and it's hard to look at, and I removed Lucifer's coat to make his red striped vest and black dress shirt and red tie stand out.

So here are my redesigned edits for the characters of Hazbin Hotel, and just a reminder I did not did this out of spite or like some artists who claim they are better than Viv. I just did it for fun and I would like to hear your opinions on my redesigns.

[toestychonk]

I figured that a lot of the writing is shit cuz Viv doesn't actually pay attention to what she writes because nobody is telling her no or even cares to.

"I have a theory that the reason Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss have writing inconsistencies and plot derailment is because Viv doesn't want to write a story; she wants to write character drama. It feels like she created the characters first, gave them tragic backstories, and realized that they need a setting to exist in."

Submitted by anonymous

[wishful-thinking64]

One Hell of an Unpopular Opinion #09

With how they are now, I see no reason other than WLW/Yuri pandering as to how and why Charlie & Vaggie are still a couple. _______________________

Knowing how Hellaverse stans are, somebody is bound to accuse me of being a homophobe so let me clear some things up first. #01.) Not that it's really anyone's business but I'm a bi woman. #02.) I've been in a long term relationship with a woman before so I have personal experience on this. #03.) I'm well aware that people within the LGBT+ community can be homophobic whether they intend to or not however this is just an opinion on yet another poorly written relationship in the Hellaverse. #04.) If you're part of the LGBT+ community and you like the show or love it then good on you, dude. I still adore the Hazbin Hotel Pilot and enjoy most of Season #01 of Helluva Boss too.

With that all out of the way, FallenPrincess (Chaggie is a terrible ship name) isn't a good ship as it lacks so much chemistry that about half of Hazbin Hotel's new fans genuinely believed them to be friends until Episode #06 of Season #01 which is just two episodes shy of the finale. Mind you, it's not that Charlie & Vaggie didn't use pet names with each other throughout the season but the problem is that the pet names that they use for each other are generic. When Charlie isn't calling Vaggie by her name she calls her babe and when Vaggie isn't calling Charlie by her name she calls her either babe or hon. Both of these pet names can be applied to close friends and I know that sounds like a lie but it isn't as I've seen videos of straight people casually calling their other friends babe or honey. Hell, I've called my best friends babe before! So I can understand why some fans of the show would be confused when they realize that Charlie and Vaggie were not only dating the entire time but that they also had been dating for 3 YEARS. As someone who dated a girl for OVER 3 years they were written like they had only been dating for a year tops. Most of their screen time as a couple shows us that their top love languages are words of affirmation (i.e reassuring or attempting to reassure the other that everything is going to be alright) and physical contact which SOUNDS cute until you realize that... A.) They're normally reassuring each other about the same shit as they did the episode prior (with this being about Charlie's concerns regarding Heaven, the angels, and the Extermination.) B.) They don't interact with each other as much as you'd think/expect from the main couple of the series. C.) Further elaborating on point B, they probably have around 13 - 15 minutes of screen time where they're speaking directly to one another. D.) Vaggie is a character who solely exists to act as a cheerleader for Charlie as HH has not gone out of its way to show Vaggie caring about/for something else that isn't tied to Charlie and her dreams. I don't need Charlie & Vaggie to make sex jokes 24/7 and raunchy flirting like Viv has her gay male characters do. I just want to get to know what they do during their downtime when they don't have to worry about the hotel or about Heaven, when they could and should just be Charlie & Vaggie. When I was an avid fan of Hazbin Hotel fan during it's Pilot days I'd often imagine possible dates they'd go on like Charlie convincing Vaggie to go see a new musical together or Vaggie making Charlie a traditional Slavadoran dinner and excitedly telling her GF about how she made it and what went into it. Ironically, they had more chemistry in the Hazbin Hotel Pilot where Viv had ultimately decided to make FallenPrincess a canon couple at the last minute.

As shown in her intro card, Vaggie was originally going to be Charlie's best friend which would've made the most sense regarding the little bit of character we do know about Vaggie but I digress. Honestly, Viv probably can't attempt to even break up of FallenPrincess thanks to them being a major ship in the fandom (aka primary selling point) and because they are the ONLY MAIN GL/WLW RELATIONSHIP THAT THE HELLAVERSE HAS so if she does break them up she'll only make herself look EVEN MORE like a massive hypocritical fujoshi otaku (which means a woman who is obsessed with the BL/Yaoi genre) while also loosing out on making more money from her FallenPrincess fans.

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I meant to get this out before Valentine's Day was over except I ended up getting back into playing CRK during that time so here I am releasing this now.

[celtrist]

Ever since it was pointed out, I've had such a pet peeve with Mammon and Leviathan's color choices.

Mammon should've been purple (purple was always considered a very "royal" color and associated with something like greed and money. But also, I can see him being an America and USD fan for capitalism reasons so he could just have favoritism). Him being green more to reference dollar bills (as with parts of his design which I feel like would've been neat if they included other currency symbols but I get it) feels weak to me. Leviathan should've been green purely on the fact there's a whole saying of "green with envy". Green is more associated with envy than purple is. HOWEVER, the route I've kind of imagine as a funny explanation is that Mammon was originally purple and Leviathan was originally green. But Leviathan was envious of Mammon having the purple color and demanded (or asked or something) for them to switch aesthetic and ring colors. And considering Mastermind, Mammon might've not minded doing this because he does like her (them?) pretty well.

Is this the case? Probably not. was it just because they had to shift colors around already with the other sins and didn't think how it made more sense to keep green for envy instead of for greed just to potentially reference for only ONE currency in the world? Yeah probably. But it's a pet peeve that I just can't get over concerning Mammon and Leviathan.

[officeobject]

First of all, he's PRETTY!

Second of all,

Yeah, Scott (whose last name you misspelled - yes OF COURSE I know that, I was like, the biggest platonic simp - urgh, I hate that I know exactly how to spell it) - does what he can to either use fan-theories, or beat them to the ground - he's just making shit up as he goes along, forgot what's in the FNAF 4 box, and also I have general "beef", with him, so, like, feck Scott - like, FECK HIM!

So ... nobody is gonna ever talk about the fact Viv basically stole a lot of the fandom's ideas and designs ? Cause like, how many theories and fan designs ended up in the show ? It's now too many for the fans to just be good and finding out things. Alastor's human design apparently leaked and, like, first of all he looks great yes (and it makes his demon design look worse in comparaison) but also ... it's litteraly the same design as a lot of human Alastor fanarts soooo ... that's not suspicious at all /s

[lust-for-ultraviolence]

Of course the trans, enby, intersex, or aro character can be literally any sexuality/romantic attraction or lack of, I just didn't have enough space to get that specific.

I'm gonna be real, there's too many Lgbtq+ people in hell in these shows, so I think a cishetallo should be added.

[toestychonkart]

How I would've framed Helluva's story:

I'm putting on my art blog cuz it counts as my writing so why not, right? (Also, don't be afraid to look at my art. i don't mind ôヮô)

It's very much not finished. That's why it stops abruptly.

A group of hellborns, specializing in stealing things from various members of Hell’s Royalty and then selling the items on hell’s black market, set their sights on the Grimoire, a prized possession of the Ars Goetia. They are able to get it and replace it with a replica. 

At the market, Blitz and Moxxie, now an assassin duo, spot the book at a booth. Blitz, interested, asks about it. When Moxxie points out that it’s a goetia artifact, Blitz gets excited, offering his entire budget despite Moxxie begging him not to. He warns Blitz that getting the Grimoire would put a target on their back, but of course, Blitz doesn’t listen to him, only thinking about how much money they’d make now that they have a portal to earth. 

Some time passes by until the Full Moon and it is revealed, through Stolas attempting his ritual and failing despite never previously, that the book is fake. This creates a manhunt for the thieves and even makes the news. Seeing this, the leader of the group contacts Blitz after noticing how successful his business has become, proving his assassination prowess.

They hire him to kill Stolas, secretly hoping he is blamed for Stolas’s death and the theft of the grimoire. Blitz reluctantly agrees, ordering Moxxie stay as he’s less experienced and therefore more likely to get caught. Also, he can continue the business as a solo assassin until Blitz returns. They take the Grimoire back as leverage, ensuring the job gets done.

Noticing the up in security, Blitz notifies his client that the job won’t be done the same day as he has to infiltrate Stolas’s personal life to get him at his most vulnerable. The group demands that he be killed as soon as possible as they go into hiding, withholding the Grimoire until Stolas is confirmed dead.

Stolas was a runt and as a result was far more sheltered due to Paimon being ashamed of his existence. This resulted in his being more socially stunted and awkward. Without friends his own age, Stolas would sing to entertain his butler and maids who would then praise him. It was the only praise he got as Paimon was far too busy to attend to him.  

Stella, his wife, became engaged to him as a teenager and initially disliked him, feeling creeped out by his quirks. Her feelings regarding him softened as they married and grew older together, becoming endeared to his tendency to sing, helping him in his earnest attempts to socialize with other Goetia, and loving how much he adores both her and especially their daughter, Octavia, his only daughter. 

There’s one problem: his desire to befriend imps stemming from his childhood. Since being praised as a child, Stolas tries to be kind to his butlers and maids with Stella having to remind him that the imps are below them and therefore shouldn’t be socialized with. Over time, Stella’s love for husband waned as his attempts at kindness towards the lower class were never ending. 

She believed that to be a good ruler, one had to rule with an iron fist, not one of vulnerability. Her father was a kind man, being friends with many of the lower class. One day, a female imp made romantic advances and when he kindly declined, she killed him in a fit of rage.

Blitz sets his plan into action, quickly infiltrating the castle dressed as a butler. He moves quickly, searching for Stolas, fully expecting the owl prince to be cold and distant. Blitz spots Stolas munching on grilled insects in his library. He is hunched over in his armchair, savoring every bite, and discarding the sticks the insects were on in a metal can to the right of him. The flame of the fireplace roars opposite of him. Swollowing, Stolas notices Blitz standing in the doorway and offers a beetle to him. Confused, Blitz declines the offer. Stolas smiles, urging him to come in while asking how his day has been. Blitz is taken aback, as, historically, none of hell’s royalty have been nice to imps or hellhounds. He tells Stolas to wait a sec as he walks to the nearest maid’s restroom. As he makes his way there, he walks past Stella and Octavia. Stella looks down at him, her expression cold and distant while Octavia is blissfully unaware on her cellphone. Blitz makes eye contact with Stella and immediately looks down until he reaches the bathroom. In there, he pulls out the angelic dagger he had hidden in his inner coat pocket. He ponders if he can do it. After a few minutes, he decides to entertain the owl demon. If he tries anything, I can slit his throat. After all, I did say it would take a while. Doing it later wouldn’t hurt. Blitz takes a deep breath and slides the blade back in its sheath in his coat and makes his way back. Ready to tell his “boss” about his day.

[hazbin-reimagined]

Lucifer's Fall from Heaven: Stairways AU

Heaven says that Hell was born when Eve ate the Fruit of Knowledge from Lucifer, that her choice brought Evil into existence. This is not true. All the fruit did was break the binds of Heaven that tied her to her destiny.

Heaven created Destinies to tie all of Humanity back to Heaven. Their entire lives would be laid out for them, their souls essentially programmed to be a certain way and do certain things. This does not mean humans would always be good, but everything would be for the Greater Good, according to Heaven. Humanity would not be aware of this, as they would believe they have free will, but in reality, every human action would be tied to the Devine Plan to return to Heaven.

Had Eve not eaten the fruit, Humanity would be Bound by Destiny, with no choice truly being their own. So long as they would have returned to Heaven, it did not matter to the Seraphim if Humans did not have a choice. All Seraphim except for Lucifer. Lucifer thought Heaven was cruel to create a species only to bind them to Heaven’s will. For what was the point of living if you did not get to choose how you live? The majority of the Seraphim thought that without Destiny tying Humanity to Heaven, that Humans would fall prey to Sin, barring them from Heaven’s Gates. But Lucifer thought differently. He thought that Humanity was inherently drawn to Good- God All High created them, after all, and what were God’s works if not Good? He truly believed that. But unfortunately for Lucifer and for all of Humanity, he was wrong.

Because Lucifer gave Eve the Fruit, he was banished from heaven to the Underworld, which was then Ruled by Titans. Heaven was angry that Lucifer had broke the Binds of Destiny and were in turmoil. This is when the Youngest Angel, Zadkiel, spoke out, and called for mercy on Humanity.

“We do not know that Humanity will only do evil without their destinies tied to Heaven. The fruit was the knowledge of Evil and Good, so we must have hope that Humanity will also do good.”

Heaven was tentative at this. The young seraphim had a point. But the fact remained: Not all of Humanity would be good. Because of Lucifer’s folly, it was almost certain that much of Humanity would be able to get into Heaven, thus dooming their souls forever.

One Seraphim, Nubia, suggested a system of weights and balances: each soul would have thier sins and virtues weighed against the other, and if the virtues outweighed the sins, then they could be let into Heaven. Minor sins are lighter than most virtues, like stealing food and feeding the homeless and poor, or telling a small lie to protect someone.

so if someone did something Very Bad in the name of doing something Incredibly Good, say kill one soul to save a thousand souls, and doing so truly saved them, then that soul would get into heaven so long as they had no other sins to outway the good deed of saving a thousand souls. This system worked for a time, and Lucifer and Lilith were informed of such, and it was scribed in their history books.

Despite this good news, Lucifer was still damned for eternity to only see the souls rejected by heaven; sinners. Lucifer will never truly know the good that came of his actions, doomed to reap the fruits of his hubris for eternity. He hates the sinners for not being good enough in life to get into heaven and spends most of his time isolated in his castle, wallowing in self-pity.

Notes: It bothered me how Hazbin Hotel just vaguely mentioned that Eve eating the apple granted humanity free will, thus bringing evil into the world, without ever elaborating on it in the show. It also bothers me the Seraphim don't know what it takes to get into Heaven, so I've resolved that issue in my Stairways AU. The problem in Stairways isn't that the way into heaven is unknown - it's that the criteria to get into heaven is too strict, creating an overflow in Hell and a need for a Third Place for people who aren't necessarily Sinners but aren't virtuous enough to get into Heaven.

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Characters mentioned:

Angels:

Lucifer Zadkiel Nubia

Humans:

Eve

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[pleasantspark]

Redemptio!

Hello all, seeing Hazbin Rewrites and the likes got me inspired to post my own well, now turned AU Rewrite into it's own thing! I actually was talking with my partner regarding a possible look into finding an Animator to lift it off the ground since it's its own thing I was sending around possible interests (A Discord is in the works) for the series to get any VA that are currently Over 18. So here's the lineup (thus far)

Things are subject to be added or changed. So don't get upset if there's not any characters around.

Send in asks.