#anti ship

[bewareofdeaddove]

Once you start harassing people over their tastes in fiction, you've gone too far.

You should not be sending anon hate.

You should not be telling people to kill themselves.

You should not be contacting people's family members, job, or school.

You should not be sending people gore.

You should not be telling people that they deserve their trauma.

You should not be attacking people over liking something fictional. At that point, you're the problem. Not the person making things you don't like, YOU. Harassment is never acceptable.

[pro-sipper]

Genuinely asking because I want a real answer for once but HOW can antis say with a straight face and no sense of irony that two characters stabbing each other is just silly fun times but rape is what's weird and gross?

BOTH are criminal acts, BOTH are harmful, where does the distinction really lie?

[this-vs-that]

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[the--queen-of--hell]

It's funny how antishippers say "fiction affects reality" while talking about a proshipper saying they like minor x adult ships/incestous ships or other problematic ships. Like yeah, fiction does affect reality. And you antishippers are the FIRST example. Because YOU are so AFFECTED by a FICTIONAL thing that YOU decide to harass REAL PEOPLE and you tell "kill yourself" "you should be raped" to REAL PEOPLE- while proshippers are just minding their own business (not supporting harassment, doxxing, or sending death threats to REAL PEOPLE and also being against REAL PEDOPHILIA, REAL INCEST and REAL ABUSE) and being one of the most pacific and calm communities I've ever seen.

A FICTIONAL thing doesn't make proshippers worse people because they're NOT affected by fiction. YOU antishippers are the ones affected by that fiction by letting it corrupt your souls.

[curiositysavesthecat]

Sent to our inbox by an anon: ❝Am I a pro shipper or an anti if incest in fandom space (fanfic, fanart, etc) makes me uncomfortable but I don’t harass people who like or make this type of content nor do I agree with people talking shit about them behind their backs? I think we should just ignore what we personally don’t like and let others do whatever they want because while incest and pedophilia are harmful in real life, they’re not hurting anybody as long as they are fiction. To be clear, they make me uncomfortable and I don’t like them, but I don’t agree with people harassing OR talking shit about other people behind their backs just because their taste in fiction is taboo either. I thought I was “neither a pro shipper nor an anti” but I’ve been called a pro shipper by antis multiple times before. I’ve also read that pro ship is an “anti harassment” stance, so even if you don’t like or are grossed out by some of these taboo subjects, you’re a pro shipper if you choose to stay silent and just mind your own business instead of saying how these things gross you out.❞

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[demonic-shadowlucifer]

I was gonna wait for the poll to close to share this, but I think I've gotten enough results on that one to move on. I've chosen to make this into a full-on survey because I don't wanna spam this blog with polls lmfao. I also included the poll question in case anyone who answered wrong the first time can change that. Once again, you don't have to be associated with either side (or even identify as 'neutralship') to take this. This is an open discussion.

Additionally, I encourage yall to reblog so others can answer too!/nf

Once again, please be civil in the reblogs. Also, rude/inflammatory answers on the final question will not be counted.

[allthingswhumpyandangsty]

the key to happiness while in a fandom is accept the fact that there will always be people who love the characters you hate, and there will always be people who hate the characters you love. and every ship you think is disgusting has already been shipped by a group of people. and there is absolutely nothing you can do about that. making “call out posts” and engaging in witch hunt campaign/cancel culture will not stop any of these things that you don’t like from keeping happening. the only think it will achieve is make your fandom experience toxic and exhausting for your own mental health. fandom is supposed to be your getaway and your safe space. it never is supposed to be a courtroom or a war zone.

but what if I tell you fandoms can actually be your getaway and your safe space? all you’ve got to do is mute, block, refrain from engaging with things you don’t like and only focus on things you do like. because there will also be people who love the characters you love and people who ship the ships you ship. do engage with these people instead.

that’s it, that’s the key to happiness in a fandom. have fun!

[parkersgnome]

Looking up stuff that makes you angry and uncomfortable and leaving hate comments on it makes you look less cool or “real”, and makes you look more pathetic, miserable, and immature.

There are better ways to get attention and likes without harassing an innocent person.

[ouchiemyspine]

'cop' is new tumblr buzzword. not everyone u disagree with is a cop. u cant make a 'terf' variation for every group that excludes anyone. words have meaning. the world doesnt revolve around u

[petrock42clone]

I swear to God, arguments made by proshippers to justify their degeneracy will never cease to amaze me with how stupid they can get.

"But it's not real." Doesn't matter, it's still gross to portray that shit in a positive light.

"I wouldn't support this in real life." If you're not gonna support it in real life then why the hell would you support it in fiction? Just admit you're a creep and get it over with.

"I use it as a way to cope with trauma." I don't want to call those people liars, but nine times out of ten I only ever see them saying this when they get called out for it. And if it's meant for coping, then why do most pieces of proship media glorify and portray it as a good thing when it shouldn't be seen that way? Also, I don't wanna be that guy, but maybe you shouldn't post that sort of thing publicly when actual creeps/criminals could use that for gross purposes.

"Fiction doesn't affect reality." Tell that to every piece of government propaganda ever released. Also, proship content does have an effect on people, especially young kids. I was exposed to a proship undertale fan blog when I was nine, and for at least two years I thought that shit was ok.

"So you support harassment towards proshippers?" Harassment is bad no matter who it's directed towards, so no I do not support harassment towards proshippers. Though I'll be completely honest and say that I don't feel sympathetic towards proshippers either.

"You're just a puritan." Dude if I were the puritan you claim I am, I probably wouldn't be ok with writing gore/torture scenes in some of my fanfics. And before you start yapping, I make it clear in those fics that those acts are not ok and are not meant to be seen in a good light.

Proshippers/Neutrals do not interact. Try arguing with me about why this shit is ok and the most you'll get out of me is a block.

[pro-sipper]

Fictional stabbing, torture, cannibalism, stalking, and murder are all fine but you draw the line at rape, incest, and underage ships?

Why???

I don't want anyone to get stabbed irl just like I don't want anyone to get raped irl and reading about either one of them isn't going to change my mind on that.

All of the above topics are dark and taboo things that make people uncomfortable. They also all have a right to be explored in fiction in all different ways.

Why is violence so normalized that even the most staunch anti can have fun playing with the dark themes of murder but when it comes to rape, exploring it in fiction makes you a criminal?

They always go for the old excuse of "you can portray this but only in certain ways or else you're normalizing/glamorizing/romanticizing/fetishizing it which is bad" but ONLY when it comes to sexual things.

Horror movies? You can woobify the killers, ship them together, joke about them, and write killer x reader fanfic til your fingers fall off. That's all okay, everyone knows that watching a horror movie or crushing on a fictional killer won't turn you into an irl murderer. Duh!

So why can they understand that for violence but not other controversial topics? If you can understand that watching a slasher movie or writing Billy Loomis x reader fanfic doesn't turn you into a murderer, then why do you think someone who reads for Billdip or ships Katara x Sokka is a real life sex criminal?

I doubt we'll ever get a real answer because there isn't one. It just boils down to "taboo stuff I can handle is fine and can be explored freely, taboo stuff I can't handle is gross and has no place in fiction".

[hysteriamodes]

If you have a chance, this is such a good video on fandom policing and purity. The creator brings up a good point: if the next generation cannot think critically and follow blindly in fear of missing out, then they can fall victim to a movement with ill intentions. And, you know, if you don't get it, let me spell it out: cults and fascism.

What i found fascinating was a story of a 14-year-old girl that fell victim to essentially a Discord cult and that she was being groomed and brainwashed by a 24 adult woman. It's a good video about media literacy because then you have the following:

[bapydemonprincess]

I'm sure I don't need to elaborate on this tbh

[the--queen-of--hell]

If you're an "anti" and you're against harassment, against people telling other to kill themselves and against people doxxing others for their ship- and you go like "I don't like this ship and it's disgusting for me but I will just block the tag/the user"- I'm sorry to tell you this, but you're a closeted proshipper. And no, a "proshipper" is not a person who likes "problematic ships". Pro doesn't come from "problematic", it comes from "pro" as in supporting something.

Proshipping ≠ Problematic shipping

Proshipping = Pro + shipping = Be in favor of shipping

So if you don't harass people for a ship (nor accept antis doing it), if you don't tell other "kys" for a ship (nor accept antis doing it) and if you don't doxx people for a ship (nor accept antis doing it) then you're not an anti. You are a proshipper.

[curiositysavesthecat]

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[aurum-stultus]

Also on the topic of proshipping, I think people should note that a good majority of proshippers are not only mentally unwell and need mental help, but were more than likely groomed by a proshit before them. Its weird just in general that we've normalized a 21yr old being besties with a 15yr old online, but it becomes even more dangerous when you have a normal, sane, decent adult old talking to kids so often that these impressionable kids are thinking they know internet safety and that they can trust the adults around them. Its shit like that that gets kids to trust the wrong people and then eventually become the wrong people themselves. Even a good adult can put a kid on a path to a bad one. Obviously thats not EVERY case, but you'll never catch me as a man in his twenties talking to a minor daily. That's also not to say you can't interact with a minor every now and then, like a post, draw a commission, debate video game lore, you just can't be out here talking to this kid so regularly that they don't know the difference between you, their friend of age, and their mother. Of course a child you've developed a bond with is going to think you can do no wrong and might even follow in your footsteps. Its just interesting how, in person, people are absolutely gonna bat at eye at a grown adult going on little playdates with a child, but when those age differences are converted into online spaces, people don't care as much?? Wild