#anti shipping

[the--queen-of--hell]

It's funny how antishippers say "fiction affects reality" while talking about a proshipper saying they like minor x adult ships/incestous ships or other problematic ships. Like yeah, fiction does affect reality. And you antishippers are the FIRST example. Because YOU are so AFFECTED by a FICTIONAL thing that YOU decide to harass REAL PEOPLE and you tell "kill yourself" "you should be raped" to REAL PEOPLE- while proshippers are just minding their own business (not supporting harassment, doxxing, or sending death threats to REAL PEOPLE and also being against REAL PEDOPHILIA, REAL INCEST and REAL ABUSE) and being one of the most pacific and calm communities I've ever seen.

A FICTIONAL thing doesn't make proshippers worse people because they're NOT affected by fiction. YOU antishippers are the ones affected by that fiction by letting it corrupt your souls.

[takashi0]

Brother you are in your 30s. The only proshipping you should be concerned about is a well-paying unionized occupation in long-haul trucking.

When I come back from my job I would like to indulge in my fandom hobby without psychopaths who think I should kill myself for correctly understanding the difference between real living breathing people and fictional characters who exist as text or lines on a page.

Or idiots like you who think you're above this shit even though antis WILL inevitably come after something YOU like and be annoying to YOU. When that happens I better not catch you crying to me.

Now go be a fucking moron somewhere else.

[theroundbartable]

Some of you might have seen this one Mergana poster who is using both the Merthur and the Anti-merthur tag. I have also seen someone be really upset for being forced to see it on the Merthur tag.

I have something to say about that.

Full disclosure: this was my initial reaction

" you could just block the Merthur tag. Why are you so upset? Hating a ship just to validate your own is pathetic." I went on a full tangent in my head about how shipping is for fun and shouldn't be so serious. About how it's telling that this person complains about how canon didn't treat Mergana right but then goes on about how Merthur shouldn't be allowed because canon dictates that Arthur is so and so.

And then I realized how arrogant I am.

It was actually the one who complained about the Mergana shipper using the Merthur tag that made me realize it. Because yes, it feels shitty when someone complains about your ship in your ship tag, exposing you to hatred and anger.

But you know what the Mergana shipper also did? They used the anti-merthur tag. We can block that tag.

And that is a kindness we did not repay.

I went to the Mergana tag because I wondered when was the last time I saw a Mergana post? And I wanted to see whether my suspicions would be confirmed. I went there and saw the Mergana shipper's complaints reflected in my face.

We Merthur shippers post post after post there about how Mergana is so funny because we see both as gay, or how it doesn't make sense in canon etc. Etc.

We've been flooding their tag with anti-mergana shit for months, taking it over, without tagging it as anti because we think we're being funny and because it's not hateful and not serious, and no one's complaining. No one's getting hurt, right?

And then it takes one, ONE persony one POST from their tag to make us upset, to make us rant. Because now we've been exposed to -

What? The same thing?

It's no wonder they are so frustrated, when they go to their ship tag and get just flooded with being made fun of, for their ship to be ridiculed. They are exposed to our ignorance and our arrogance and they didn't even complain about it.

They just went to do the same thing we did.

And they've always had a right to their opinion, even if we dislike it or disagree. Just as we are entitled to ours. But we can't tell them to be quiet when we've been so loud.

This post is meant to call myself out, btw.

[dax-enfinity]

i hate that ship where you have to give the characters a complete 180 for them to even work on paper, and then you don’t even recognize those characters anymore because the shippers just make the ship the characters only existing trait.

[zinnie-zoloft]

I don’t ship catwin, in fact I actually dislike the ship, but I will not stand for people making ridiculous excuses to hate it.

The cat king isn’t a creep, sleazy maybe, annoying, sure, but everything he does is in response to how Edwin acts around him. Like… Edwin is very clearly physically attracted to him, even if he dislikes him as a person at that point.

The only time he does anything non-consensual is when he kisses Monty, and that’s direct retaliation for Monty doing the same thing to Edwin. He follows an eye-for-an-eye style justice system, like how he punishes Edwin by using the same kind of spell on him that Edwin used on one of his cats.

And yes, Edwin is 16, but we have no idea what age the cat king actually is or even how he ages, there could be any number of technicalities and relativities. Just look at Monty, he’s somehow a teenager and there’s nothing to say the cat king isn’t also following some confusing ass magical age rules.

[the-real-sasuke-uchiha]

I don't know who you think Sasuke had the strongest bond with. But if the answer is not Itachi, then you are wrong.

[dr-robert-chase-apologist]

"hannibal fics"... "proshippers dni"...

"I can accept cannibalism, but problematic relationships/darkfics are where I draw the line."

[mothmans-cumrag]

All "we need to know less about each other" jokes aside, isn't it crazy that there are still people out there denying that these two are "more than friends"? Not trying to dunk on anyone, just amazed at the amount of hoops some people jump through in order to hold on to their beliefs. Truly noone doing it like them.

[minniiaa]

multishipping.

first of all, shout out to all the people sitting back and sipping their tea as they enjoy art and fanfics of their favorite character just being loved by their other favorite characters. legitimately no reason that enjoying one ship means you have to hate another.

it's become so common for people to say shit like 'you ship zosan, there's no way you can ship zolu!' (using one piece bc it's my main fandom but we can even use FF7 as an older example. ' you can't ship cloud and aerith because you ship cloud and tifa!!!!')

bitch why not? give a good reason that’s not just ‘its weird’ or ‘it’s wrong’ I’m waiting.

do you hate spaghetti when you eat it with alfredo sauce instead of marinara sauce? no, you still like the pasta. sure you might like alfredo better but it doesn't mean you don't still love marinara. both are good and enjoyable and you want to eat them.

just because your favorite fruit is apples doesn't mean you don't like oranges too. it's not that fucking deep people. these are fictional characters. people are allowed to like multiple pairings when they can see the beauty in both. just let people enjoy shit for fuck's sake.

[bapydemonprincess]

I'm sure I don't need to elaborate on this tbh

[the--queen-of--hell]

If you're an "anti" and you're against harassment, against people telling other to kill themselves and against people doxxing others for their ship- and you go like "I don't like this ship and it's disgusting for me but I will just block the tag/the user"- I'm sorry to tell you this, but you're a closeted proshipper. And no, a "proshipper" is not a person who likes "problematic ships". Pro doesn't come from "problematic", it comes from "pro" as in supporting something.

Proshipping ≠ Problematic shipping

Proshipping = Pro + shipping = Be in favor of shipping

So if you don't harass people for a ship (nor accept antis doing it), if you don't tell other "kys" for a ship (nor accept antis doing it) and if you don't doxx people for a ship (nor accept antis doing it) then you're not an anti. You are a proshipper.

[takashi0]

what got you into proship content?

"proship content" is not a thing. It does not exist. "Proship" is not short for "problematic shipping", it means "Pro let me ship what i want and not be harassed by psychopaths" Do not let the idiots on TikTok gaslight you into believing that.

The question you're asking is "what got you into the media that antis find objectionable enough that they're willing to send actual child pornography to people as punishment because they're delusional?" and the answer to that is I'm not really, I just have a functional sense of what's real and what's fictional, and harming real people will always matter more than what writers do with fictional people, because fictional people, by the very definition of the word "Fictional", do not exist.

[leportraitducadavre]

Alright, since I’ve received multiple asks about who I ship Sasuke with (or if I have a problem with specific ships), I’ll reiterate my posture regarding shipping culture:

I think it’s very poor, borderline shortsighted, to focus so incredibly much on the possibility of a character –that never specified being sexually interested in anyone, having a romantic partner. Besides the fact that Sasuke is a very traumatized man, a survivor of state-sanctioned genocide which affects his libido to the point of it being non-existent, the entirety of his characterization revolves around him seeking justice for his family. No. It’s not about his bond with Naruto, it’s not about his apparent sexual tension with Karin, nor is it about his crush (the fuck?) on Sakura. 

It’s Naruto the one whose characterization revolves around his bond with Sasuke, it’s Karin the one whose characterization revolves around her sexual desire for Sasuke, and it’s Sakura the one whose characterization revolves around her crush on Sasuke –Sasuke’s entire arc differs completely from theirs, as his entire goal, through the entire series, is about seeking justice for his family. 

What happens once Sasuke realizes he won’t be able to kill Itachi if he stays in Konoha? He leaves because he chooses his goal as an Avenger before his connection with Team 7 (yes, Itachi’s presence also reminded him of the imminent threat of having bonds that Itachi could easily destroy, but he doesn’t leave to protect T7, but to seek power to kill his brother). What happens once Sasuke kills Itachi? He learns about the truth behind the UCM, and decides to barge into the Kage Summit to kill Danzo and not return to Konoha. What happens once he kills Danzö? He still decides not to return and plans to bring the entire system down. I mean, where is his “bond with Naruto” in all this? Where is his “sexual tension” with Karin in all of this? Where is Sakura’s relevance in all of this? At no single moment does he focus on these bonds, often questioning the reason why these people are so adamant about pursuing him. Am I saying that they don’t matter at all to him? No, and you know that’s not the point of the post unless you’re looking for a reason to get upset in which case, I cannot help you. What I’m saying is that they’re not relevant to his main goal or characterization, as that power rests upon Itachi’s shoulders. Each character here mentioned has either more or less importance throughout his journey, but none of them are detrimental to his objective and none of them are important enough for him throughout the manga to deviate from his ambition (he even tried to kill each one of them when he deemed them a liability or they threatened the continuation of his mission).

Who do I ship Sasuke with? Nobody, I don’t enjoy a single pairing that is attributed to him, and I wish the fandom would realize that the entire plot revolves around the actions and consequences of a fascist regime, and not about who wanted to secretly or not so secretly fuck who, or who deserve his dick and who doesn’t. Yes, I’m being blunt, and some of you will think I’m exaggerating, but if you don’t see me talking about ships as often as you see me speaking about feminism or politics inside the Naruto manga, well, what a shocker, there’s a reason for it.

And to prevent people from putting words in my mouth, let me say this: I’m not saying you can’t enjoy a ship –go crazy if that’s what you want, do art, fanfics, and whatever rocks your boat, I won’t go after you trust me, but oh my god how come some of you would give a “potential romantic couple” so much more relevance than the actual plot?! Sasuke plainly and continuously reminds the characters and the readers what his true goal is and what he wants, and still, some of you will force a deep reading of a bubble of speech detached from his overall characterization to prove that he was smitten with x,y,z all along!

[pelman]

Please reblog for more exposure! Also, this isn't an offer to start debates in my replies or reblogs. Express your opinions as loudly and perhaps violently as you'd like, but just to yourselves, not at one another. If you try to start an argument, regardless of what side you're on, I'm blocking you. This is just to gather Tumblr's general opinion.

Anyone on either side of the debate can interact with this post, given that this is a neutral space.

[zinnie-zoloft]

Just to remind you all, the entire fucking point of shipping and fanfiction is to explore potential scenarios

Shipping doesn’t mean you want it to be canon any more than anything else you put in a fanfiction

You can ship two characters who have never met, you can ship two characters who hate each other, you can create all sorts of AUs to explore how their relationship would be different in that situation

Canon events do not fucking matter when it comes to creating an AU… that’s the whole purpose of an AU

If you claim to understand the point of shipping yet hate on anyone for shipping certain characters because of how they’re written in canon you do not understand the point of shipping

[leeleebee]

Sibling coded, child coded, selfcest?! Morality police are working over time. I have some thoughts XD

Sibling coded

Ok. So two completely unrelated people who are close in one way are also close in another way. This is like saying you can’t be best friends with your partner(s)? Or can’t have grown up with someone and then be in a relationship with them? Childhood sweethearts? No? What is happening here someone explain what the issue is.

Child coded

I almost don’t even want to get into how ridiculous and ableist this is… but I sure will! You are telling me people who are childlike in some way, physically, emotionally, intellectually cannot have desires or be sexual or engage in romantic relationships? The “coded” part of this means we aren’t talking actual children here, we are talking adult people. So what is really happening here is people (antis I guess) being uncomfortable with folks with certain perceived traits (again, adults) being sexual/romantic/autonomous and living adult lives. It’s weird. Stop it.

Selfcest

Oh my god. Oh. My god. How is this a thing. Our reality does not have human clones or alternate universe/timelines intermingling. There is no way this is even a thing to get up in arms about. It isn’t setting an example or normalizing or whatever the hang up is with other fictional relationships. But if that time comes boy howdy. I still won’t care.