#anti shipping

[sinfreeshipping]

"i hate shipping rarepairs. my otp only has 500 fics on ao3"

shut the fuck up and get over yourself. some of us have REAL struggles in life. my otp has ZERO fics on ao3 and im the ONLY PERSON posting about them on tumblr

[the--queen-of--hell]

It's funny how antishippers say "fiction affects reality" while talking about a proshipper saying they like minor x adult ships/incestous ships or other problematic ships. Like yeah, fiction does affect reality. And you antishippers are the FIRST example. Because YOU are so AFFECTED by a FICTIONAL thing that YOU decide to harass REAL PEOPLE and you tell "kill yourself" "you should be raped" to REAL PEOPLE- while proshippers are just minding their own business (not supporting harassment, doxxing, or sending death threats to REAL PEOPLE and also being against REAL PEDOPHILIA, REAL INCEST and REAL ABUSE) and being one of the most pacific and calm communities I've ever seen.

A FICTIONAL thing doesn't make proshippers worse people because they're NOT affected by fiction. YOU antishippers are the ones affected by that fiction by letting it corrupt your souls.

[theroundbartable]

Some of you might have seen this one Mergana poster who is using both the Merthur and the Anti-merthur tag. I have also seen someone be really upset for being forced to see it on the Merthur tag.

I have something to say about that.

Full disclosure: this was my initial reaction

" you could just block the Merthur tag. Why are you so upset? Hating a ship just to validate your own is pathetic." I went on a full tangent in my head about how shipping is for fun and shouldn't be so serious. About how it's telling that this person complains about how canon didn't treat Mergana right but then goes on about how Merthur shouldn't be allowed because canon dictates that Arthur is so and so.

And then I realized how arrogant I am.

It was actually the one who complained about the Mergana shipper using the Merthur tag that made me realize it. Because yes, it feels shitty when someone complains about your ship in your ship tag, exposing you to hatred and anger.

But you know what the Mergana shipper also did? They used the anti-merthur tag. We can block that tag.

And that is a kindness we did not repay.

I went to the Mergana tag because I wondered when was the last time I saw a Mergana post? And I wanted to see whether my suspicions would be confirmed. I went there and saw the Mergana shipper's complaints reflected in my face.

We Merthur shippers post post after post there about how Mergana is so funny because we see both as gay, or how it doesn't make sense in canon etc. Etc.

We've been flooding their tag with anti-mergana shit for months, taking it over, without tagging it as anti because we think we're being funny and because it's not hateful and not serious, and no one's complaining. No one's getting hurt, right?

And then it takes one, ONE persony one POST from their tag to make us upset, to make us rant. Because now we've been exposed to -

What? The same thing?

It's no wonder they are so frustrated, when they go to their ship tag and get just flooded with being made fun of, for their ship to be ridiculed. They are exposed to our ignorance and our arrogance and they didn't even complain about it.

They just went to do the same thing we did.

And they've always had a right to their opinion, even if we dislike it or disagree. Just as we are entitled to ours. But we can't tell them to be quiet when we've been so loud.

This post is meant to call myself out, btw.

[dax-enfinity]

i hate that ship where you have to give the characters a complete 180 for them to even work on paper, and then you don’t even recognize those characters anymore because the shippers just make the ship the characters only existing trait.

[zinnie-zoloft]

Just to remind you all, the entire fucking point of shipping and fanfiction is to explore potential scenarios

Shipping doesn’t mean you want it to be canon any more than anything else you put in a fanfiction

You can ship two characters who have never met, you can ship two characters who hate each other, you can create all sorts of AUs to explore how their relationship would be different in that situation

Canon events do not fucking matter when it comes to creating an AU… that’s the whole purpose of an AU

If you claim to understand the point of shipping yet hate on anyone for shipping certain characters because of how they’re written in canon you do not understand the point of shipping

[the-real-sasuke-uchiha]

I don't know who you think Sasuke had the strongest bond with. But if the answer is not Itachi, then you are wrong.

[leportraitducadavre]

Alright, since I’ve received multiple asks about who I ship Sasuke with (or if I have a problem with specific ships), I’ll reiterate my posture regarding shipping culture:

I think it’s very poor, borderline shortsighted, to focus so incredibly much on the possibility of a character –that never specified being sexually interested in anyone, having a romantic partner. Besides the fact that Sasuke is a very traumatized man, a survivor of state-sanctioned genocide which affects his libido to the point of it being non-existent, the entirety of his characterization revolves around him seeking justice for his family. No. It’s not about his bond with Naruto, it’s not about his apparent sexual tension with Karin, nor is it about his crush (the fuck?) on Sakura. 

It’s Naruto the one whose characterization revolves around his bond with Sasuke, it’s Karin the one whose characterization revolves around her sexual desire for Sasuke, and it’s Sakura the one whose characterization revolves around her crush on Sasuke –Sasuke’s entire arc differs completely from theirs, as his entire goal, through the entire series, is about seeking justice for his family. 

What happens once Sasuke realizes he won’t be able to kill Itachi if he stays in Konoha? He leaves because he chooses his goal as an Avenger before his connection with Team 7 (yes, Itachi’s presence also reminded him of the imminent threat of having bonds that Itachi could easily destroy, but he doesn’t leave to protect T7, but to seek power to kill his brother). What happens once Sasuke kills Itachi? He learns about the truth behind the UCM, and decides to barge into the Kage Summit to kill Danzo and not return to Konoha. What happens once he kills Danz��? He still decides not to return and plans to bring the entire system down. I mean, where is his “bond with Naruto” in all this? Where is his “sexual tension” with Karin in all of this? Where is Sakura’s relevance in all of this? At no single moment does he focus on these bonds, often questioning the reason why these people are so adamant about pursuing him. Am I saying that they don’t matter at all to him? No, and you know that’s not the point of the post unless you’re looking for a reason to get upset in which case, I cannot help you. What I’m saying is that they’re not relevant to his main goal or characterization, as that power rests upon Itachi’s shoulders. Each character here mentioned has either more or less importance throughout his journey, but none of them are detrimental to his objective and none of them are important enough for him throughout the manga to deviate from his ambition (he even tried to kill each one of them when he deemed them a liability or they threatened the continuation of his mission).

Who do I ship Sasuke with? Nobody, I don’t enjoy a single pairing that is attributed to him, and I wish the fandom would realize that the entire plot revolves around the actions and consequences of a fascist regime, and not about who wanted to secretly or not so secretly fuck who, or who deserve his dick and who doesn’t. Yes, I’m being blunt, and some of you will think I’m exaggerating, but if you don’t see me talking about ships as often as you see me speaking about feminism or politics inside the Naruto manga, well, what a shocker, there’s a reason for it.

And to prevent people from putting words in my mouth, let me say this: I’m not saying you can’t enjoy a ship –go crazy if that’s what you want, do art, fanfics, and whatever rocks your boat, I won’t go after you trust me, but oh my god how come some of you would give a “potential romantic couple” so much more relevance than the actual plot?! Sasuke plainly and continuously reminds the characters and the readers what his true goal is and what he wants, and still, some of you will force a deep reading of a bubble of speech detached from his overall characterization to prove that he was smitten with x,y,z all along!

[mothmans-cumrag]

All "we need to know less about each other" jokes aside, isn't it crazy that there are still people out there denying that these two are "more than friends"? Not trying to dunk on anyone, just amazed at the amount of hoops some people jump through in order to hold on to their beliefs. Truly noone doing it like them.

[minniiaa]

multishipping.

first of all, shout out to all the people sitting back and sipping their tea as they enjoy art and fanfics of their favorite character just being loved by their other favorite characters. legitimately no reason that enjoying one ship means you have to hate another.

it's become so common for people to say shit like 'you ship zosan, there's no way you can ship zolu!' (using one piece bc it's my main fandom but we can even use FF7 as an older example. ' you can't ship cloud and aerith because you ship cloud and tifa!!!!')

bitch why not? give a good reason that’s not just ‘its weird’ or ‘it’s wrong’ I’m waiting.

do you hate spaghetti when you eat it with alfredo sauce instead of marinara sauce? no, you still like the pasta. sure you might like alfredo better but it doesn't mean you don't still love marinara. both are good and enjoyable and you want to eat them.

just because your favorite fruit is apples doesn't mean you don't like oranges too. it's not that fucking deep people. these are fictional characters. people are allowed to like multiple pairings when they can see the beauty in both. just let people enjoy shit for fuck's sake.

[mellowgraveyard]

Please read this, please, if you don't read what's after the images at the very least Please read what's in the images, this is serious.

Things like child predation and rape are bad not because "eewww icky gross 😡🤬😭🤬🥺 nastyyy"

they're bad because they fucking HURT PEOPLE

Y'all don't care about real living breathing people, I'm fucking done being calm on this, stop whining and crying over your pixels and pieces of paper while telling innocent people to kill themselves, antis are a genuine curse on humanity, NONE of what you do is fucking normal.

Fictional characters aren't fucking real and can't be hurt. You are all DIRECTLY affecting reality with your bullshit debates on whether or not fiction might possibly kind of affect reality sometimes. Y'all don't even debate with pros anymore you just attack from what I've seen.

"tell your family you're proship then." Tell your family you care more about fictional characters than the real people these laws affect, tell your family you doxx people on the internet and coerce them into suicide, tell your family you purposefully pretend that a drawing is the same as legitimate CSEM and refuse to ever ever educate yourself.

All you are anymore is selfish, stop lying and pretending, this isn't a fucking game, this is real life, this is REAL unlike your stupid goddamn blorbos you want to protect so so much more than real living breathing organisms.

[the--queen-of--hell]

If you're an "anti" and you're against harassment, against people telling other to kill themselves and against people doxxing others for their ship- and you go like "I don't like this ship and it's disgusting for me but I will just block the tag/the user"- I'm sorry to tell you this, but you're a closeted proshipper. And no, a "proshipper" is not a person who likes "problematic ships". Pro doesn't come from "problematic", it comes from "pro" as in supporting something.

Proshipping ≠ Problematic shipping

Proshipping = Pro + shipping = Be in favor of shipping

So if you don't harass people for a ship (nor accept antis doing it), if you don't tell other "kys" for a ship (nor accept antis doing it) and if you don't doxx people for a ship (nor accept antis doing it) then you're not an anti. You are a proshipper.

[takashi0]

what got you into proship content?

"proship content" is not a thing. It does not exist. "Proship" is not short for "problematic shipping", it means "Pro let me ship what i want and not be harassed by psychopaths" Do not let the idiots on TikTok gaslight you into believing that.

The question you're asking is "what got you into the media that antis find objectionable enough that they're willing to send actual child pornography to people as punishment because they're delusional?" and the answer to that is I'm not really, I just have a functional sense of what's real and what's fictional, and harming real people will always matter more than what writers do with fictional people, because fictional people, by the very definition of the word "Fictional", do not exist.

[bapydemonprincess]

I'm sure I don't need to elaborate on this tbh

[punkishtoxtricity]

alright i’m getting jumped on reddit for this so i’m gonna ask for other opinions. proshippers, why don’t you just write your own characters if you want to write things such as incest. especially when it comes to characters from children’s media. also does it actually help process trauma because most people i’ve heard use that excuse were doing it for unrelated trauma. keep discussion respectful and i’ll keep it respectful.

[zinnie-zoloft]

I don’t ship catwin, in fact I actually dislike the ship, but I will not stand for people making ridiculous excuses to hate it.

The cat king isn’t a creep, sleazy maybe, annoying, sure, but everything he does is in response to how Edwin acts around him. Like… Edwin is very clearly physically attracted to him, even if he dislikes him as a person at that point.

The only time he does anything non-consensual is when he kisses Monty, and that’s direct retaliation for Monty doing the same thing to Edwin. He follows an eye-for-an-eye style justice system, like how he punishes Edwin by using the same kind of spell on him that Edwin used on one of his cats.

And yes, Edwin is 16, but we have no idea what age the cat king actually is or even how he ages, there could be any number of technicalities and relativities. Just look at Monty, he’s somehow a teenager and there’s nothing to say the cat king isn’t also following some confusing ass magical age rules.

[leportraitducadavre]

Truly I’m beginning to think I’m becoming too old for this fandom because every time I see a post written/reblogged by specific blogs complaining about how “antis” should understand that shipping is fun and they “should allow people to have fun” I’m like… we didn’t stop you from having fun; you took the fun out of shipping that specific couple because in your search for online validation and moral prowess, you revolved your entire reading experience into proving your romantical tastes are superior, inclusive or “feminist” (huh?). You tried to claim your ship of choice had canon sustent and diminished everything else the manga stood for. You attempted to shift the conversation onto how much “x,y,z love each other” and demanded that everyone else read the material from your perspective alone.

I can’t care enough who you ship with, I don’t even care that that’s everything you care for in life, I have a specific problem with people demanding such validation from the rest of us.