#antis

[hjbender]

The Four Discoursemen

[coulsonlives]

"Wah, why aren't fandoms fun anymore?"

Because you keep policing people's headcanons, making fun of them and calling them horrible things, and on top of that, you're somehow claiming to be a safe space for people to express their creativity, yet turning around and harassing them anyways because you've made a billion exceptions to the "don't police people" rule and you think, like everyone else who's made their own exceptions, that your exceptions justify harassment.

So you're making fandom into a field of rat traps where nobody even dares interact with anyone, or shares art anymore, because you still might just attack them for it because they did something as simple as writing a canonically soft character as... a softie.

Let people do their "cringe" y/a romances, let people do their "gross" ships, let people write those characters as jerks or softies. Let them, and mean it when you say you'll let them, instead of soapboxing about it in a patronizing post but not really meaning what you're soapboxing about.

[animentality]

[chengfagshi]

So uh, this is disgusting in so many ways. This anti is shipping a REAL 14 YEAR OLD WITH A REAL PEDOPHILE. Please report them on tiktok! THIS IS NOT OKAY. Some antis are actually calling them out for this but then you have the dumbasses being like "proshippers getting mad even though they do the same thing". SHIPPING FICTIONAL FUCKING CHARACTERS IS NOT THE SAME AS SHIPPING A REAL CHILD WITH A REAL PEDOPHILE. Some of y'all deserve to be fucking slapped and I'm not even joking.

Edit: And if you're wondering, this is the same fucker that posted proship minor's faces from that discord server!

[wolveria]

"Certain ships should be illegal!" How does it feel to fall for the same fear-mongering, book-burning, pearl-clutching reactionary propaganda that your grandparents did.

"But it'll lead to pedophilia!" And the Satanic panic of the 80s and 90s gained momentum out of real fear for the safety of children. Didn't make it true. Strong emotions do not indicate factual accuracy.

Just because you're young and label yourself a progressive doesn't mean your critical thinking skills and media literacy are better than the generations before you. In fact, due to right-wing evangelical influence on school budgets and boards, they're probably worse.

[sixtharrow]

It’s weird. Way back in the day (like, pre-Voltron Legendary Defender era) the relationship between two unrelated fictional guys being considered “brotherly” would have been quite validating to us slash shippers. It’s like, oh wow, they’re that close, huh. They already consider themselves each other’s family. They’d die for each other. We’d have thought a romantic relationship stemming from that was perfectly logical!

And it’s not like the ship would ever be canon, so having that sort of deep bond was the next best thing. The fanworks would just have to take it from there.

But it’s so different these days. A character says “you’re like a brother to me” and now shipping two unrelated fictional guys is literally incest? Even though this has been a trope in straight romances for forever? Wow, the view has really shifted! Of course, shippers back in the day were much looser regarding canon roles, ages, power dynamics, or hell, even whether or not two characters existed in the same universe in the first place! But this is one argument I’ve just never been a fan of. Like, I used to say my first gf was my sister all the damn time because I didn’t know how else to interpret my feeings for her early on. And the fact that this seems to disproportionately affect m/m ships and f/f ships is telling, too. Also, people’s views of each other can...change? Sure, maybe Character A once saw Character B as his brother, but something is different now, and so he has to go and navigate those feelings. I mean the whole point of fanworks is exploration. For the characters as well as the writer. And just like back in the day, the ships are rarely canonized, which means something is always being changed or expanded. We just didn't have killjoys in our ears telling us we couldn’t ship two unrelated fictional guys because one of them once referred to the other as a brother or whatever. Well, we did, cause homophobes exist, we just didn’t usually hear it from fellow shippers.

[writinginthesecrettrees]

Ok, I'm gonna be REAL controversial for a second:

Saying "incest and underage fics are ok because it's usually CSA survivors recontextualizing/processing their own experience" is just purity culture lite. It's like saying "Birth control should be legal because some people use it for non-birth control related purposes" or "abortion needs to be legal because women can die without it."

Yes, these are TRUE and IMPORTANT things. But kind of... not the point?

Kind of giving way to the antis, the puritanical right, the misogynists who just want to control women (because you KNOW they aren't thinking about trans men or nonbinary people when they legislate abortion).

Lemme see if I can explain: by saying "look at this VALID and IMPORTANT reason someone might have for doing the thing you don't like," you are saying that there are invalid reasons for it. That some people shouldn't do it.

You are saying that it is objectively wrong, and that exceptions must be made for it to be okay. And putting aside the fact that NO ONE should have to disclose their personal trauma for judgement, that no one should have to disclose their personal medical history to a judge or legislator before receiving treatment... you are conceding the point.

I refuse to concede anything on this.

I like fucked up fic, I like being able to fuck without getting pregnant, I like that if my birth control fails I can still make a choice about whether or not I want to be pregnant and give birth. I WILL NOT go into my reasons on ANY of this. Because YOU do not have a right to that information, and I am also protecting the privacy of everyone else who does not want to share their reasons.

[lifemocksart]

i really dont understand how antis can say something like this to someone over a ship and then can convince themselves that theyre in the right for doing so

[briliantlymad]

I find that People who are incapable of separating fiction from reality are more dangerous than people who draw fucked up or horrifying stuff im not even kidding.

Because someone drawing incest porn does not wish death on others for not liking their freak but I've seen it from anti shippers and the "protect little kids" group time and again.

Genuinely it is horrifying to see grown ups or 20+ year olds piling onto a twt or post and telling someone to off themselves over a few drawings or a fic.

[jinglebellrockstars]

another anti was exposed as a real pedophile, this time the guy who spearheaded a harassment campaign against a queer artist for drawing invader zim porn, to the point where they were blacklisted from the animation industry and ended up on their death bed because they could no longer support themself financially. antis fucking disgust me and every accusation from them over some fucking drawings is just projection to hide how sick they are and all the actual flesh and blood lives they destroy

[myfandomrealitea]

"Proshippers harass everyone!"

My brother in christ antis will comb through tags looking for a proship post to scream about and harass the OP over the way a mother of three rakes through her middle child's head looking for nits after a school outbreak.

[billdipisjustanothership]

I'm getting tired of Antis being hypocritical bullies

So!

Let's open their eyes!

(and vent a little bit)

PROSHIP means:

"*To ship and let ship. Including* some romantic pairings that are deemed problematic, ships that involve pedophilia, incest, abusive relationships and other things like that"

*(I thought that was obvious but I guess it wasn't ^w^' Sorry for the mistake everyone!)

Meaning:

If Antis see BillDip as Proship

Then they should also see BillFord as Proship

Why?

Simple!

BillFord is Toxic, as they themselves say. Toxic as in Abusive. And so, part of the proship group

Bill hurts, terrorises, torments, emotionally and physically abuses Ford

Possessed his body to hurt him, electrocuted him, and so much more!

That is abuse. That's abusive behaviour. That's proship

They said it multiple times how much they love toxic old man yaoi or similar stuff

They love that BillFord is toxic, so they love Abusive relationships. Apparently. That is, unless they accept that liking a fictional problematic ship (like BillFord) is not the same as liking a real problematic relationship

Here you can read it clearly

They either start calling themselves proshipers too (they are by the actual definition if they ever bothered to goggle it) and stop going after Billdip shippers, or accept that BillDip shippers aren't pedophiles nor do they support it the same way they don't support abusive relationships just like it happens in BillFord!

(I'm not against BillFord and those who ship it btw, only those who bullies and harass billdip shippers)

If Antis still don't see what I mean, they are delusional. Delusional and hypocritical, apart from being the bad people because harassing complete strangers for liking a fictional ship they personally don't like is just ridiculous and very much harmful to real people, some of which are children themselves

When just blocking and not tagging the name of a ship that makes you personally uncomfortable is better and healthier for everyone!

Of course, that goes for any fandom and ships!

No more bullying and harassing, we're in the modern word, people! We're better than that!

(or at least I hope so!)

[coulsonlives]

Okay. Real talk for a second.

I think what bothers me the most about this post is how this person is spreading puritan rhetoric, making people paranoid, uncertain, and fearful about the media they consume and create... And then selling the cure to those fears back to them, through the same community that created all those fears in the first place.

"You think you're a freak because of things we instilled in you. You will always be welcome in the community that instilled it in you."

It's freakishly cult like. I really hope people don't fall for this.

[animentality]

[chengfagshi]

I really need to vent because this shit is pissing me OFF. Okay, so I'm sure proshippers have heard about the proship server on discord or whatever. Basically, an anti joined, downloaded the selfies of these proshippers and posted it on tiktok for several thousands to see (it almost has 100K likes on tiktok). Now, disclaimer, I do not think taking selfies and posting them on discord with a bunch of strangers is a good idea. Especially considering a lot of these proshippers are minors. Like the owner of the discord server is 14, I believe. I don't think that's a good idea at all. SO an anti took those selfies and posted them for the world to see. 100% without permission and consent of these proshippers. And anytime someone on tiktok comments things like "Uhh, why are you posting kids' selfies", the comments are filled with this type of shit. Dumbfuck #1 is the one that posted the tiktok

[Image ID: "Why are we posting pictures of minors without their permission..." Dumbfuck #1: "Being a minor doesn't excuse being a bigot and a predator." End ID] Keep in mind, we're talking about...you guessed it, fictional characters. This is basically how Dumbfuck #1 sounds to me: "I have to protect the fictional minors from the very real minors by calling out and endangering said real minors". That's basically what Dumbfuck #1 is saying.

And here's Dumbfuck #2:

[Image ID: Person with a functioning brain: "Why are you posting images of minors without their consent tho?..." Dumbfuck #2: "I can tell you like kids." End ID]

I DON'T EVEN FUCKING KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN WITH THIS FUCKING SHIT. FIRST OF ALL, someone caring about the wellbeing of MINORS does not make them a pedophile, despite what you fucking idiots like to believe. And secondly, you are literally endangering MINORS by posting their selfies for the world to see, but you don't fucking give a shit, because you're more worried about them shipping fictional fucking characters together.