#traumagens who support endos go away

[aftlivs]

Koraidon graphics!

Anon requested: can i rq koraidon graphics! please and thank you !!

f2u just please credit and don’t claim as your own!

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The best thing we can do as "traumagenic" systems (quotation marks because I hate origin terms altogether—they shouldn't even exist), is block and ignore endos. We all know that endos are close-minded and unwilling to properly educate themselves, because they already identify as "endogenic—" which simply isn't possible to be. Ten minutes of research on actually reliable sources is all it takes to disprove their validity.

While yes, spewing educational facts at endos might feel relieving, it isn't going to do anything. They're not worth putting in the time and effort for—because if they won't educate themselves with reliable and scientifically proven information, what makes you think they're going to listen to some random stranger on the internet? Interacting with endos first, no matter how you approach it, is not going to actually benefit anyone. They aren't going to learn, and we aren't doing ourselves any favors by "attacking" endogenic spaces in the way some of us still happen to be doing.

"But they're invading actual system spaces!"

Then push them out. Blocking them in the masses, and additionally blocking endo/pro-endo tags from your feed, is the best way to shove them away from actual system spaces. How are pro-endos going to interact with genuine, disordered system spaces if they can't see our content, and we can't see theirs?

"But they're spreading harmful misinformation!"

Yes they are. They're spreading misinformation that's harmful—mainly to impressionable minds. That being said, it still isn't our responsibility to attempt to educate random endos and endo supporters, because again: if they refuse to do any genuine research of their own, why would they listen to some random person on the internet?

Arguing doesn't work. It hasn't worked. And yes, those with impressionable minds can easily pick up the belief that endos are real—but it's quite genuinely their own fault for not putting those ten—even just two minutes of time into actual research for the truth. We cannot force facts onto people who refuse to take them.

With all of this aside, the existence of endogenics is almost entirely a problem exclusively known by other systems. Before you were aware you were a system, did you even know endos were a thing? Or better yet—before even interacting with system spaces, were you aware of endos?

Endos may be spreading misinformation, but it really doesn't branch out much further than the system community.

Block pro-endo accounts, and block pro-endo tags. If you interact with endos first and attempt to prove their beliefs to be incorrect, it's just going to create more malice in the end—and if you block their accounts, they can't interact with you.

Edit [12.12.2024]:

The number of endo and pro-endo comments I have had to delete from this post speaks volumes.

At least my blocked list is longer now.

[syscest]

hi im assuming the us vs them post is about a specific term, which one would that be?

so the sysmed out-group term being referenced in the joke post was (as the reblogs guessed) "endogenic", and I'll lay our thoughts out straight just once to avoid being potentially taken the wrong way

I've got two angles here, existential theological linguistic bullshit, and harm-reduction. stay with me here because even if you're not on board with the first thing you'll want to see the second.

so "traumagenic vs endogenic" is a false dichotomy, and I don't just mean "there's a secret third thing", I mean both classifications are fundamentally not real.

personally? we haven't the foggiest idea why we're a system. but the thing is, I don't think anybody else does either - I think it's genuinely impossible to know why your own consciousness is behind your own eyes and controlling your own body, why you *experience* existing in first-person at all. Like shit, lots of singlets believe it's because a soul has been created or introduced to their flesh, and a bunch of others think that's a load of crap and the chemicals just *do this* on their own. Singlets get this unalienable right to believe whatever the hell they want about why they're experiencing being themselves all the damn time, and I refuse to believe that systems are uniquely special in a way that singlets are not such that anyone can fucking flawlessly divine the cause of our consciousness all of a sudden. These are existential-tier questions and to deny their impossible complexity and the right to self-belief over them is, in my eyes, to deny systems something many singlets feel is part of what makes them human.

You can believe all sorts of stuff about the nature of your own systemhood just like how you can believe all sorts of stuff about the nature of your own existence - that doesn't make you definitively right, it's just a meaningful mechanism through which you understand your own experiences that other people should respect - it's like any faith, go figure.

Frustratingly, these words - traumagenic, endogenic - they're not talking about belief, they're objective buckets actively being used for exclusion. So every time we use the term "traumagenic systems", in saying "systems that objectively exist because of trauma" we are saying, loudly, "it is possible to know why a system exists". and frankly? no the fuck it isn't.

Anyway that's airy bullshit and reflects very idealised interactions so - practical, realist opinions, and harm reduction:

Saying "I'm pro-endo" is a net good, though I think "I support all systems" is probably marginally better because it doesn't perpetuate categories pushed by sysmeds for exclusionary reasons as being essential to defining systemhood - as we joked about.

Contrastingly, self-declaring "traumagenic" or "endogenic" in a bio is a net bad. Saying "I'm a traumagenic system" also says "Hello sysmeds, I believe in your dichotomy and I'm one of the good ones" (great way to get sysmed followers), and that factor doesn't go away if you go on to say that you support all systems - you've already thrown away your opportunity to shield more vulnerable systems from harassment through making who sysmeds need to target more obscure.

In fact, regardless of whether your bio says to sysmeds "I am a target" or "I'm not a target", by saying it explicitly, you're pressuring other, more vulnerable systems to similarly self-declare. It's like cis people putting pronouns in their bio to shield trans people from harassment through obscurity and embarrassment, but in reverse - if you shut up about it, and *just* call yourself a plural system, even if you do believe in their categorisations, you stop the propogation of the self-labelling and exclusionists are forced to make themselves look like idiots because most of their harassment would have to be done at random. It's basically herd immunity - nobody talks, everybody walks.

anyway yeah there's context for future, though honestly the section in plural respect is a lot more succinct lmao

[k9emote]

The endos just keep swarming oh lort… It’s actually refreshing to see though ; ; Our early system days were flooded with endos because we didn’t know any better and as a result followed their “advice” to lock up persecutors for “safety” and never let them front, or kept getting told “Hehe you should get into this media so you can split the characters I want because you said you have a reaaally low split tolerance :3”

The talk of syshopping was also *so* prevalent. It was actually kind of funny, we tried to play along and say we didn’t understand and asked how it works, and they just brushed us off and went “It’s actually really hard to explain” while they talked about the group they “taught” how to do it

And then they told one of our protectors/former persecutor that traumagenics were soooo mean and ruthless and that they don’t let systems have fun being systems and it’s all about sadness and misery with them, then implied aforementioned protector was going to perpetuate the abuse cycle because he was disagreeing with them? When he got mad about that, a mod (heavy endo supporter and narc abuse believer, go figure) came in and got on HIM for it? 😭

Tl;dr It’s really nice to see the stance against endos :,3 Sorry I got carried away… Feel free to ignore, have a good dayy!!

THIS IS ALL CRAZY BUT FUCKING NARC ABUSE BELIEVER? OH LAWD

The amount of ableism and misinformation riddled in the endo community is insane 💀 Obviously they'll tell actual system things that will harm them because they are faking something they could never possibly understand. At the end of the day I'd rather be hated by endos than loved by them. That's why their ignorance and hate only brightens my day 🫶 one more person to block

I have nothing against actual (traumagenic obviously) systems who stay out of endo discourse for safety and peace, as long as they aren't neutral to endo's abuse. but we personally can't shut the fuck up if there's something we believe in being attacked. Probably a strength and a weakness tbh lmao

[luminary-syscourse]

(The following is a screenshot, not the actual post)

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(Now, time for my post)

Listen, if you're so terrified of endos that you need to be pulled away when you see a post that's made by one or someone who supports them, you need to get off of tumblr and get therapy.

I don't even mean that to be rude, like, seriously, you should consider therapy.

If someone simply existing triggers you that badly, you need professional help.

You're right. You shouldn't be terrified to read posts. That's not normal. But it's not the endos fault ether.

Also, quite frankly, posting in the plurality or system tags isn't "infiltration" as those tags are for all who are plural or systems. Hell, even posting in the traumagenic tags isn't infiltration if they're a pro-endo traumagenic system or mixed origins like we are.

I promise you that no endos are sitting there calling traumagenic systems losers. Anti-endos? maybe, but not all traumagenic systems, I mean, you do know that there's pro-endo traumagenics, right?

Listen, seriously, if you have to have an alter sit over your shoulder while on an app to make sure you don't get triggered, that's an issue. You shouldn't be on this app at all if that's the case. Stuff like that is the point where getting on social media can become a form of self harm.

I'm not trying to like, invalidate your issues OP, but if you're looking for lighthearted content related to systems, you are probably going to find mostly pro-endo content, as from my experience, they post positivity a lot more. If you try looking at DID or OSDD specific content, you might have better luck, considering those are the actual disorders.

Endos do not intentionally hurt anyone.

They're not out for you just by existing, and quite frankly, most people aren't hurt by others just existing.

The fact that you are is the exception, not the rule, and is a sign that you need some serious help.

Out of respect for the OP, I'm not responding directly to their post, nor am I going to share their username.

However, I saw this, and I wanted to say something.

[headmateelevator]

hey so if you're traumagenic u shouldn't be supporting end*s!!

you're being gr**med into a c*lt of werdos!!

and b**ld a h**dmate packs are useless!! and dehumanizing!!

go get therapy and get help lmao!!

hey so insane fucking work sending this less than an hour after my post which i know you came from. my response under the cut!! tw for mentions of the things they mentioned in the post.

so you, smart one, decided to stalk either my account, OR the bah and pro endo tags just to do this!! because thats all I tagged it with!! and how, GENUINELY, how do you compare being pro endo to being groomed?? insane fucking work!!!! it's VERY easy to block and move on, block me, block the tags, and block it all!!' and I do NOT want to see you coming back saying you're trying to "help", this is NOT HELPFUL!! this is HARMFUL. and you should be genuinely ashamed of yourself for sending us this ask!! you are disgusting for making such a comparison! and as a survivor of a cult environment and grooming, this is neither of those things!! this is a community of people who just want to live their lives, away from hateful people such as you! i do not care if anyone interacts with my posts, unless you are hateful like this! be fucking respectful you moron!!! and traumagenics supporting endogenics is a very good thing!! as it shows not all of us are hateful like this, and like you, get a fucking hobby you cunt. please block me.

[sanguinaryfreaks]

WELCOME !¡

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I interact from here for @sangylittlespace, @sanguinarywriter and @sanguinaryclaws

Hi! We are Sanguinary Freaks Massacre you can call us Gore or Visceral, we use any pronouns (and neos) but prefer shi/hir. Our collective gender is transmascfem and sexuality is omnigay, quoiromantic and ambi, the body is latino and intersex. We are 21 years old and are a C-DID system of a lot.

System terms: System, collective, pwDID, multiple, alters, headmates, littles.

sideblogs and others (link) - pronouns.cc (link) - plain text (link) - icon and banner id (wip)

DO NOT INTERACT

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Basic DNI criteria (homophobic, transphobic, racist, etc)

Transmeds, radqueers, etc, etc

SH, ED or gore blogs

Pro endos, tulpas, endos or any kind of non traumagenic system and their supporters

Pro/comshippers and shipcourse in general

Sexualize age or pet regression

Anti-xenogenders, anti-neopronouns, anti-therian, anti-otherkin

Anti-recovery IRLs or DAs, we won't feed into your delusions (sincerely a delusional system)

TransID, or supports TransID, TransRAMCOA, etc.

Syscourse blogs

Belive in cluster b abuse or any disordered abuse

Pro-contact / anti-recovery paraphilias

Believe in "doubles" (as in you're too annoying with the "doubles dni" and get mad at doubles for existing)

Anti good faith identities / "contradictory" labels, including mspec lesbians / gays (neutrals are on thin ice)

Believe that transfem alters can't be in an AFAB body or transmascs can't in an AMAB body. Or that AFAB people can't be transfem, etc. (You're intersexist btw ✌🏻)

Empty accounts, accounts without a pinned post or reblog accounts (you're probably safe if you introduce yourself in asks and tell me why you followed me)

Zionist, pro-Israel, or "neutral" in the Palestinian genocide

Use "TME" or "TMA"

BEFORE YOU FOLLOW

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We don't mind minors following us and interacting with us outside of dms

Depending on the alter and the day we might accept endo neutrals to follow and interact but don't bring endos/pro endos to our account please

Know that if we follow you is because we want to be friends so feel free to DM us (we are too scared to dm first dnjakckwkd) !!!

We have alters from problematic sources, if you don't like this go away

We like problematic media but we don't support their creators or the media itself (like buying the games or watching the show on the legal sites). If you're gonna be morality police and tell us that we are still supporting them by just liking the media (we cant control a hyperfixation), feel free to block us, we don't care

We won't post anything nsfw, we will probably post this type of jokes but trigger warn them

Don't try to force us to change our name or source separate, we aren't doing it for a reason. We also use names respectfully and would never disrespect the culture

Sometimes we reblog stuff about the yandere stereotypy, we have bpd and we use the term for ourselves

We call ourselves freaks (because we can and we want), if you don't like this fuck off, we don't care

Interests and more

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Special interests: Psychology, system terms, xenogenders, Simply Plural, art in general, horror in general, etc.

Collective interests: Heaven Official's Blessing, Silent Hill, Stardew Valley, Honkai Star Rail, Wuthering Waves, Death Mark, Danganronpa, CoTL, My Little Pony, Fear and Hunger, Stardew Valley.

Tagging system

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#❛𔓕— alter name ꒱ˎˊ˗ ❜ — how we will tag who's fronting

#❛ 𔓕— sanguinary vent ꒱ˎˊ˗ ❜ — us hating our life /hj

#❛ 𔓕— unsobriety ꒱ˎˊ˗ ❜ — alcohol or any substance mention

#❛ 𔓕— spirit my beloved ꒱ˎˊ˗ ❜ — posts about @lesbian-aurora

#❛ 𔓕— minors don't look ꒱ˎˊ˗ ❜ — nsfw posts or mentions of such stuff

Extra:

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Credits:

DNI banner: @/seraphim-coinz

[the-saturn-system]

Who Are We?

About us:

We are an endogenic system who supports other endos, and we believe all plurals deserve respect! We also like to do Userboxes using HTML

We, at the moment, are composed of 4 individuals, a brief introduction of us for you:

Zadhlan:

Anthropomorphic bee giantess. Harsh and Tough individual who can show affection but doesn't like Tumblr too much.

Lea:

Centaur girl who loves cute stuff, science, and programming, but also loves magic and occultism, basically a Technomancer. She is our first merge and she is eager to interact

Juna:

Anthropomorphic fox with a cyberpunk aesthetic that embraces naturism, is good with technology, is a good manager, and helps us to keep on track with everything happening within the system. She also acts like a brat and pushes us out of our comfort zone.

Matt

That would be me, the Host who is writing this post, I care for people I like and also love programming, I'm pretty much a weeb and love a lot of nerdy and geeky stuff.

Go Away If:

You are a transphobe, racist, xenophobe, or anything like that... You get the gist of it.

You are a douchebag

I mean, just don't be a douche... is it that hard?

A Bit More Info:

We love One Piece

We love Adventure Time

We love games, books, podcasts, and anything related to storytelling

We will love you if you don't give us hate, we will believe in you!

Current Hyperfocus

Stardew Valley

One Piece

Tumblr

Python Programming

Talent Management

DNI because we literally were asked if anti-endos could interact here

Anti-endos

DIP (Do Interact, Please)

Mogai

Traumagenic systems who support endo

People with autism, schizophrenia and any type of mental disorder

Anyone who is not a douche bag

[system-positivity]

oh my god. as a traumagenic system i cannot begin to say the relief I felt when I found this blog. esp with shooing away the endos. it feels rlly good to have our own space back without all the guilt-trippy 'everyone needs to be included!' being shoved down our throats constantly when they should have their own space and not be synonymous with ours when our experiences don't even begin to line up. godspeed dude, with all the shit you get from endos I applaud your patience. you're a godsend. thank you

Anon... you have NO idea how much this means to us. This is the type of ask that would usually STAY in the ask box just for a pick-me-up.

this is exactly the reason we run this blog and our main blog, too. I want to create a space for trauma survivors to feel welcome and not have to worry about endos and their supporters.

We fully agree that endos should have their own spaces, separate from trauma-based spaces. That pro endos, even if traumagenic in origin, should still respect someone's boundaries for not wanting them in their space.

It's hard sometimes logging into this account. Every day, we have to delete people's hate mail and delete harassing replies on our posts. Oftentimes, it's a struggle one that feels like there's no end in sight.

It's.. hard at times to step away and not fall into the rage bait sent. When that happens we log off completely and do something else for a few hours until we feel better.

All that said. Thank you to everyone who respects our simple boundaries. Thank you to everyone who reblogs our posts and follows us. Thank you to everyone whose day gets a bit better by the content of our posts. You and people like the anon here are what keep this blog going when shit gets too hard to handle.

[manylittleguys]

Hi! We're a plural sideblog from Theta's main account. This blog is meant to be a safe space for us, away from our main account where we are not openly plural. I (Arachne) made this blog for the rest of us just to talk about being plural, ramble a bit about our origins or our interests. Just whatever comes to someone's mind. We are a fictive heavy system.

Collective Intros: + anyone's signoff tag info. if not provided, they likely use their name as a signoff and no tag

Core System: the main body of the system, folks who aren't part of sidesystems

Arachne, Administrator & Collective Archivist. it/she. #The library spider

Theta, Host, MINOR. they/them, OG body-keeper. #thetaposting

Deadpool, Prosecutor, fictive. any, go crazy, have fun with my pronouns. no you do not have permission to call me by my name. #red. should be dead. no redemption

Wolverine, Anger Issues Holder, fictive. he/him (subject to change) no you do not have permission to call me by my name. #yellow clawed man. posts exclusively in orange text

Boo, introject. they/them (will change) #the cabinet maggot. posts exclusively in purple text

Eddie Brock, fictive. he/they ("they" ONLY when referring to Venom and Eddie collectively while using Eddie's name exclusively)

Venom, introject. it/they ("they" ONLY when referring to Eddie and Venom collectively while using Venom's name exclusively)

Sherlock Holmes & John Watson, introject. he&/they& (While being technically separate in headspace, they& are incapable of fronting separately and wish to be referred to as a unit) #The Holmes Siblings Are Speaking And You Will Listen

Mycroft Holmes, fictive. any "masculine" pronouns (no opinion) #The Holmes Siblings Are Speaking And You Will Listen

Eurus Holmes, introject. any pronouns (feminine preference) #The Holmes Siblings Are Speaking And You Will Listen

Gregory House, introject. he/him

The Pantheon: Sidesystem of Doctor Who fictives. They mostly keep to the innerworld as of late. collective he/they/it, although if any of them decide otherwise they'll bring it up. Collective tags: #🟦⏳, #the doctor speaks

Montessori Sidesystem: made up mostly of minors. please interact accordingly

J, Protector/Caretaker/Babysitter, fictive. he/they/it. #Cowboy Dad

Anoitos, syskid. he/she. #anni cherub

Dipper, syskid, fictive. he/they

Mabel, syskid, fictive. she/her

Link, frequent fronter, Chef & Rationalizer, fictive. they/he. #💚🗡️

Micheal Distortion, introject. it/we (you refer to Micheal alongside yourself). #living arcade carpet

A Major Sidesystem: SCP Foundation fictives. collective tags: #a major system, #🔫🤠

Francis W, frequent fronter, Gatekeeper, Consul, fictive. he/they

Apollo, Caretaker, Substitute Babysitter for the Montessori sidesys, noncanon fictive. he/him

Ukulele, Gunslinger & Auxiliary Gatekeeper, fictive. they/them

Alto (signs posts with "A.Clef" and variations), fictive. they/it/toy. #Gay Horror Music Man

anyways, we're still not 100% clear on our complete origins, but we support endo/non-traumagenic systems. not going to have a collective DNI, but don't be rude, and we block liberally.

- Arachne

Edit: any headmates who do not front or use this blog have been removed from this list and/or will not be added until they do, even if they are referenced by other headmates.

[stereorebel]

✭ 𝖒𝖊𝖒𝖔𝖗𝖎𝖊𝖘 𝖆𝖓𝖉 𝖉𝖗𝖊𝖆𝖒𝖘 ✭

basic about me:

✭ - fictive-heavy plural system (alter named craig has a personal blog @spaceboy-craig) ✭ - audhd ✭ - schizotypal ✭ - likely have dyscalcula, not fully sure ✭ - patellofemoral pain syndrome + chronic fatigue ✭ - collective pronouns are: it/its (he/him is fine for us, but they/they gets you blown up with an atomic bomb) ✭ - please use tone tags, it's not that hard ✭ - PST timezone ✭ - collectively aroace, apl, agender, transmasc & gay, but this can change between alters ✭ - therian (therianthropy blog is @stereosatyr) ✭ - pantheist ✭ - studying to become a zoologist/paleontologist ✭ - age regressor ✭ - minor ✭ - current hyperfixation(s) are: south park, sally face, mcyt, mlp + bluey + paw patrol + other children's cartoons

DO NOT send me donations asks, i'm a jobless minor and don't have any money to give away. anyone who sends donation asks will be blocked.

✭ links ✭

✭ - main pronouns.page ✭ - craig's (alter) pronouns.page ✭ - another alter has a pronouns.page, but the link is broke. you can access it through craig's. ✭ - daily clicks!

dni: bigots of any kind, endogenic systems (traumagenic endo supporters are welcome but you're on thin ice), zoophiles/pedophiles, anti-therians, KYMAN SHIPPERS GO FUCK YOURSELVES TOO.

✰ beloved mooties <3 ✰

✭ - @c0rdylin3 qpp <444 ✭ - @w3ndytheraccoon ✭ - @echo-stimmingrose ✭ - @your-local-squip-fanatic ✭ - @the-portrait-of-dorian-gay / @the-picture-of-dorian-gay-2 ✭ - @mcshizzle-the-fire-boy ✭ - @feral-goblin-kid ✭ - @shiloh-the-shidiot

if you wish to become a moot of ours, i ask that you please are a moot of someone who is already on this list (or known from somewhere else, like a discord server), as we are schizotypal we can experience moderate to severe social anxiety and if you aren't recognized, there's a high chance you'll be blocked. do not follow expecting to become moots because we will likely just look on your blog to make sure you're not a creep then not follow back. if you're looking to get to know us on discord first, our main is @/stereorebel and our alt is @/stereostinky. please message and chat before friending if so.

[aftlivs]

Angel dust layout!

@huskerrs asked: heh.. might retheme to angeldust.. maybe a layout of him IF YOUR COMFY OF COURSE…

F2U just give credit!

I do not support vivzie whatsoever

angel dust is a character im okay with editing and I really love how it looks tbh

[sophieinwonderland]

Read this regardless of if you're a traumagenic system, an endogenic system, or a mixed origins system.

Sophie in Wonderland is a person thats very clearly histrionic (by definition of the word), and is not a very good person. They are here for the attention. They are not here to better themselves, or the world. They are especially not here to better the plural community, regardless of what they might try to make you believe.

If you are a mixed origins / endogenic system, you can find helpful relevant content and resources elsewhere.

If you are a traumagenic system, you shouldn't take anything they say to heart. They aren't objective at all. They aren't worth listening to.

They are attempting to hurt your feelings / trigger you. They are attempting to further divide the plural community. It doesn't matter how slick they're trying to be with their vagueposting, that's what they're doing.

Sincerely,

a friend

Meh, I wasn't going to respond originally but this seems like a day for answering hate asks so why not? 🤷‍♀️

The thing is, you aren't totally off base. I am a self-described propagandist. To that end, I can certainly be theatrical. I do want to be seen. I feel like I need to be seen to get my message out there. And sometimes that requires me to take steps that can get attention. Especially when the other side are cowards who will just block everything that doesn't agree with them. Sometimes getting through their walls requires a stick of dynamite.

I do disagree with the accusation that I don't care about the community. This community is my highest priority. But admittedly, what I think is best for it may not be what other people think is best for it.

I think that some would favor complacency. They would rather a calm quiet community that ultimately upholds the status quo. This is something which I can't abide.

People have complained about me calling anti-endos a hate group. This is too hostile for them, too aggressive. I consider it an accurate label. And more importantly, I consider this a useful label for making people actually treat endophobia as a serious issue. Because the absolute worst thing would be to file away the bigotry against endogenic systems as the equivalent to shipping drama.

Syscourse isn't complicated. The existence of endogenic systems has been backed up and affirmed by every single scientist who has ever commented on the subject.

There is no scientifically based argument against endogenic systems that have even the slightest bit of support. There is no moral argument for why a marginalized community should be the subject of hate and harassment at every turn. There is and only has ever been one valid side to syscourse.

System medicalism is based entirely on hatred and nothing else.

But even with all of this true, it doesn't really matter if we don't act like it, if we don't treat this discussion with the gravity that it deserves.

Will this further a divide? Maybe. I think that if you treat bigots who hurt a marginalized community for being different like bigots who hurt a marginalized community for being different, that tends to make them a little angry. Bigots don't like being treated like bigots. Go figure.

But we don't make progress by coddling the feelings of bigots. We don't make progress by acting like pluralphobia is somehow less harmful than homophobia or transphobia. All we do is help them normalize hate against us.

[asterias-corner]

Can yall PLEASE tell me how to block tags because i am going to rot in my bed because of seeing brain dead posts <- nvm a kind soul helped me :3

this ends up on y’alls tag, that’s mb, tumblr kinda likes to do that 💀

I’m going to rant below, so you pro endos and endo systems can leave before you angrily type in the replies with steam coming out your ears

bro… you all sound fucking stupid as hell i have no remorse for you at all 💀 “endos deserve a place in the plural community to!” Why? Do they get a gold star and a lollipop cus they have ‘people’ in their head? That formed NOT through trauma? Bffr it’s a TRAUMAGENIC DISORDER! NOT PLAYTIME WITH VOICES IN YOUR HEAD! I have suffered through SO much fucking trauma, just for endos to try and exist. Dude, you ARE NOT VALID! Your label goes against literally the entire basic criteria for being a system… i do NOT want to hear from your dumb ass.

“Oh! But stop policing other people’s labels! You can’t do that!” OH NO! WHATEVER WILL I DO! OK GUYS! WITH THAT LOGIC, NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO DISAGREE WITH MAPS, R@PESEXUALS, ETC! BECAUSE WHO AFE WE TO JUDGE? THEIR JUST LIVING THEIR LIVES!

if you support endo systems, or are one, STAY 50,000 yards AWAY FROM ME.

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[goldmanguyperson]

world will become slightly better place once self proclaimed “pro endos” stop trying to pander to the “polite” “anti endos”. Do not tag your posts “properly” for any reason but to keep your mental health fine and signal safety to others. Do not give them special words or communities. Do not actively direct them to communities where they can continue to be assholes with support; where they will be stuck in an echo chamber. Do not give them any ground, and do not “help” them. Do not make them feel safe in their beliefs. what they are doing is bigotry and what you are doing by letting them walk on you is aiding and abetting bigotry. It does not matter what your intent is. Marginalized people who understand the place in society they have been forced into don’t go up and talk to bigots for a damn reason, no matter how “nice” they are about it. A sheep shouldn’t lead a starving wolf back to its pack, and it definitely shouldn’t lead the pack to the herd.

Even regardless of the affect on endogenic systems—their beliefs still uphold a system that continually takes away the self determination of disabled people, injures and traumatizes them permanently, refuses to give actual, personalized, informed aid, and forces children on medication with side effects they were never even told of. Psychiatry is not a pretty branch of medicine for disabled people, literally the most visible group of people it is meant to help.

Not only that, “anti endo” beliefs advocate for refusing to give people help when they cannot be diagnosed, which if done by a doctor for any disorder or illness, physical or mental, is literally malpractice (which yes, is already sadly commonplace, but it should be pushed against, not enabled). Their beliefs are not just harmful to systems that aren’t strictly traumagenic. They are generally ableist and regressive. You should not be giving them any kind of platform, not even to “give them ways to stay away from our communities”.

[the-fallen-collective]

I thought I was an endo but I think I'm traumagenic I'm against Endo know but I need to know like, I didn't think Being SAed by my dad was enough trauma Becuase all the traumagenic people seemed to have so much worse so I resorted to spiritual stuff being the cause in my head, I apologize for my actions but can I be accepted in the traumagenic system community?

Umm.. sorry this was unexpected-

For starters, we’re glad you’re finding yourself and moving away and against endos. They spread a lot of misinformation and are very harmful, so we’re glad you’re coming out of that

We are very sorry about what happened. There is no “thats not enough trauma” as trauma is different for everyone. Even two people who go through the same exact thing at the same time can come out of it very differently from each other. What you went through was trauma and thats all thats needed to be known. SA victims actually commonly develop a CDD

And of course. Seeing you no longer support endos, you are very welcome in the community. And we also urge you to try and seek professional help if you can, though we understand it is hard, so we can also provide some resources if you’d like? We know some good places online where you can reach out for free. And also remember it’s okay to be wrong too. You may figure out you’re not a system but there’s somethinf else wrong. That is okay, it happens. And if you are, which I trust you are if you say you are, then you exist and we hope you can reach a point where you can live life and find happiness and work over the trauma