#because this is important as fuck in syscourse

[anonymousfield]

i do not care what side of the syscourse argument you are on, if you are fine with aspen saying that "all systems matter" is the system equivalent of "all lives matter" thats a fucking problem. are you kidding me??? you are going to equate "all lives matter", which is a statement that pretends black people dont face racism and danger everyday, to "all systems matter" which is a statement that is about systems wanting to be acknowledged??? black people are literally murdered because of racism and you want to say that "all lives matter" is the same as "all systems matter" and people making posts on tumblr that you dont like. are you fucking kidding me? how the fuck do you get to the point to think thats at all ok. lets pretend for a second that "all systems matter" is actually a bad thing. do you seriously want to say thats comparable to 100s of racial injustice? do you really want to compare that with black people getting murdered by cops for literally just existing? do you seriously think that in any circumstance you should be comparing these things. what the fuck is wrong with you

we are not black (or a poc) so please listen to black and other poc systems. i made this post cause its really important and some of our posts get traction, but please make sure to listen to poc systems voices.

[sysmedsaresexist]

Let's face it. Not everyone uses the term "system" to mean to same thing. For some people, it exclusively means someone with a complex dissociative disorder (DID/OSDD/etc.). For some people, it means anyone who experiences a plurality of people, parts, or identities within the same body.

These two definitions for the same word are like oil and water, apples and oranges. CDDs are caused by trauma, so "system" in the context of exclusively-CDDs invalidates people who use the other definition. Not all experiences of inner people/parts is caused by trauma, or ascribed to a disorder, so "system" in this context invalidates the people who use the other definition.

When you see "system" as being exclusively CDDs, you see people claiming that CDDs aren't disorders, you see people claiming that CDDs aren't caused by trauma, you see people claiming that they have CDDs without the disorder or trauma. It's triggering, it's isolating, it's scary.

But it's not what they're actually saying.

It’s important to understand this if you’re engaging in syscourse. Otherwise, you’re just going to feel hurt all the time. There's so many posts that aren't talking about CDDs at all and someone comes onto it shouting things about CDDs. Vice versa. All because of terminology.

Not everyone uses the same terms to mean the same thing. Terms change over time, and you have to understand that. Even within the CDD community this happens so much. The community nowadays likes to use “host” to mean the part that fronts the most, but twenty years ago people often used “host” to mean a part that they thought existed before all the other parts, and many clinicians believed that this part didn’t front hardly at all. Years back, the concept of someone having a system of parts was used in reference to CDDs so much that it was often what people automatically thought of. Now, it’s a common framework of various therapies like IFS, for disordered experiences like PTSD and trauma-based psychosis, and for non-disordered plurality.

Before 2014, "endogenic systems" were called natural plurals. Tumblr has always preferred the term "system", meanwhile I've been on other social media platforms that majorly prefer the term "plural" and some that prefer "multiple" over anything else.

I’ve seen so many people identify as “anti-endo” even though they believe in endogenic plurality, and also people who identify as “pro-endo” but think that all endogenics are actually disordered with hidden trauma.

Yes, this can all be frustrating and confusing; I’ve been fucked over by it many times as an autistic person. I often struggle to understand what people mean when they rely on labels to communicate their opinions, usually because I’ve met people who use the same exact terms to communicate an entirely different opinion. So much of syscourse literally centers around certain labels and who they apply to. Yet, people can't even agree on what these labels mean.

Does it really matter that much...?

I guarantee you guys within the next twenty years, you’re going to see some of the terms you’re fighting over now be changed to mean something entirely different. Time moves on, things change. It’s just not worth hurting others over.

I hope that we can all learn to be a little gentler with each other regardless of what terms and labels we use. In a community so full of trauma survivors, who already have to deal with so much of society disbelieving and hijacking our stories...I think we need the gentleness.

[fae-scientist]

Idk this may be one of my last posts on Tumblr but I know that DNIs have been talked about in the nonhuman community before and one thing that I don't really see being discussed is how DNIs can be used to further divide the community. A lot of us have very rare or uncommon species types (I know I do) and for some of us, it can be very difficult to find others like us. So let's say you do find someone else of your species, but either you're on their DNI or they're on yours, and you decide to block them. Any potential community that could've been had is now lost.

Now, obviously, nuance is important. It does make perfect sense to not want certain people interacting with you, racists, sexists, etc. so if someone of your own species has bigoted opinions, block them, but at the same time, nobody identifies as a racist or a sexist and if they did, they're aren't gonna give a fuck about you. And DNIs aren't boundaries. You telling other people what to do on the internet is not a boundary, and breaking a DNI is not a world-ending crime. It's your job to moderate your own internet experience. Screeching at strangers and expecting them to do it for you is asinine.

But for the things that don't matter at all to this community like shipping discourse, "which queer labels are valid" discourse, and especially syscourse, do you really want to limit your own community, especially if your species type is rare? I made that mistake once and regretted it.

Now I should probably point out that I technically have a DNI (which I've been meaning to rephrase for a while now but you know) pretty much listing the two types of people this blog doesn't cater to. Misanthropes because I'm human and don't necessarily like that ideology and r@dqueers because I don't identify with them or their community. Will rephrasing it at this point actually matter since I'm planning on leaving? I don't know

[rayssyscourse]

why are we making syscourse a punk thing: an unedited ramble

no seriously. maybe I'm missing something but why are we all fighting about whether punk is pro or anti endo? the answer is no, it's neither. I'm very punk irl, fairly involved in my local scene, have been for around two years, and I can assure you that punk and syscourse are just... really not related. i mean, I can understand both sides--people who think endos are being ableist can make the case of "I'm punk, so I'm anti ableism", likewise pro endos can make the case of "I'm punk, so I think everyone's identity is valid"--but there's no black and white answer because, simply put, this is just unrelated. again, I can see how, if you're punk, you might use the punk ethos to explain your viewpoint, but for the love of god, please stop taking the label "punk" and trying to twist it to make a completely unrelated argument?? also, the only "argument" this strategy seems to be making is that (pro)endos/anti endos 'arent punk', which is stupid. for one thing, it's not a crime to not be punk, and it's completely absurd to just assume everybody is/wants to be punk (the entire POINT is to go AGAINST the mainstream, not to become it). and second, this is the exact behavior of those punks who go around calling everyone else a poser just to jerk themselves off about how much "more punk" they are. and that's not very punk, now is it? also also: punk is more than just an abstract set of beliefs. those are obviously very important to punk, but just holding those values doesn't (necessarily) make you punk. go outside, hit up your local scene, jump in a mosh put or something, and you'll realize that punk is a community, punk is a people, far more than it is an abstract moral code. seriously, my life took a turn for the better when I got into actual punk music and culture, because it was the tight knit and supportive community that I needed at the time. nobody sat down and drilled me about my every little opinion on everything. we just play loud music and fuck around and curb stomp bigots. i can guarantee everyone fighting under this tag would be much better off actually engaging in the punk community instead of arbitrarily arguing about it online.

sorry to ramble folks! but this was driving me insane, so I'm only like half sorry

[griancraft]

Anyone else hate how syscourse has permeated online system spaces to the point where you literally cannot look at anything related to systemhood on the internet without seeing it. Looking at system posts and then getting syscourse recommended or sometimes just posted in the maintags is like. Nuts. Not caring about the discourse and being nice to people while still interacting with the broader community is literally impossible.

It’s super niche inaccessible online discourse that is lifted up like it’s an important part of identity and being a system online. It’s unintelligible to someone not in the know. Like. When I first found out I was a system I was so fucking confused when I joined a discord and was banned immediately for not understanding their intro questions.

In a (very limited) study done in Australian universities, DID was ranked almost as high as schizophrenia when it comes to stigma. Not even 20 years ago many professionals were saying systems weren’t real point blank. I’ve had therapists tell me they think DID and OSDD aren’t real at all. Do you really think the slow coming research is robust enough to tell anyone very much about our lived experiences as systems?

None of this does anything to further the acceptance of systems, because half of it is people telling each other to end their lives over asinine differences of opinion. No amount of debating these things will make us more accepted by the people who hate us. They hate all of us.

[the-sour-patch-crew]

Inflammatory statements and claims of impossibility

In other words "How not to change someone's mind"

"Cannot exist" "delusional" "wrong" "invalid" "fuck off" "stupid" "lying" "aren't real"

These are just a few examples of inflammatory language that are common on Tumblr. If you are trying to educate and change someone's mind about something, you should NOT use inflammatory language.

For one, it causes the other party to become defensive. Once someone is on the defensive, you may as well pack up and go home. You will not succeed in changing their minds or getting them to see how they could potentially be in the wrong. You are hindering your cause.

Second, using inflammatory language means you intend to shame or bully the other party into agreeing with you. Do I really need to say how wrong this is to a largely abused and traumatized community? You want them to agree to you without thinking for themselves. You are hoping to dominate them. But it is important that the other party comes to understand and agree ON THEIR OWN instead. To blindly agree out of pressure or fear will create a tide of misinformation in its wake. You will get a lot of "well this person said it's bad or works this way, so it is" with little actual understanding or ability to help and teach others on the subject.

Third, back up your claims. Avoiding inflammatory language is very important, but so are resources to further educate. No, it is not everyone's job to teach others, but if someone asks for proof or resources and you can provide them, then make sure the information is RELEVANT to the discussion. Do not just flood someone with an overwhelming amount of resources and expect them to comb through it to find the one specific thing they asked about or have doubts over. Provide specifics, then you can provide more general resources for further reading as an option. Because yes, Google exists, and yes, everyone can use a search function to find information. But the information someone finds may not even be the same that YOU got your information from. Also, if you use inflammatory language, no one will want to read any resource you give them anyway.

Fourthly, make sure you understand what you are saying. If you contradict yourself or something isn't adding up, people WILL call it out. If they do, it is important to understand and accept that a mistake or miscommunication happened and approach it again. Discussions are not one and done deals. There will be, and SHOULD have, back and forth conversations. Do not treat a correction as an attack.

And lastly, make it relatable. If you feel someone is wrong, then provide a relatable scenario to compare it to. You don't believe in endogenic plurality but do believe in Aparant Normal Parts? Provide information and multiple scenarios that can explain how they relate and could be mistaken or overlap in behavior. Doing so after using inflammatory language will destroy any chance of relatability. There are genuine instances of people not knowing something exist that could better describe their experiences. But trying to convince someone of this while also attacking them is not how to approach it.

I keep seeing syscourse and random declarations in the plural tags that clearly don't want to be anything beyond shaming others. There isn't an intention to help or wanting to spread understanding and information. No matter what side you stand on, no matter your beliefs, debates and gaining influence is not won through inflammatory language and shaming. It is through understanding and proper civil discussion.

People will not agree with everything you say or present to them. That can't be your only goal going into this. Your goal can not be to prove you are right and that they are wrong. The goal should be to provide what you can in a civil manner so that others who are also watching can learn and decide for themselves. You cannot force a horse to drink as the saying goes. But that doesn't mean the tank of water doesn't serve a purpose for others.

Stop poisoning the well and sabotaging yourselves.

And remember, it is okay to disengage if someone is being inflammatory.

(Examples used were just because it was fresh on the mind. This post is not targeting anyone specific. It's been a long time coming in general)

[antiradqueer]

This is an info blog aswell as a blog just for bashing rq and transid twats

This blogs ran by Mew (he/him), since im the only mod left, assume every post thats untagged is Mew

Ask box is open to anti/ex rqs/transids or rqs/transids trying to leave that "community" and anon is always on, feel free to send an ask because your voices are important. its fine to tag this blog in stuff you want reblogged, ask to add tags and TWs, and so on. we also wont entertain radqs who are being annoying on or off anon we will just make fun of you, but of course rqs/transids looking for help getting out of those spaces are welcome to send asks.

Dont bring any syscourse, kin discourse, or gender n sexuality discourse here, this isnt the place for it and i am not giving my stance on any of it on this blog. That means dont bring it in our notes, in our ask box or in posts you tag us in. This blog is also supports recovery, mogai, transpecies, fluffy paras, and is anti proshit.

transmeds, truscum, terfs/tirfs, radfems, "gender critical" fuck off too.

FAQ links (incomplete):

'PRAT' meaning (link) , Fluffy Para meaning (link), Old incomplete dump of Anti PRAT flags (link)

PSA and info links, Major CW for links listed below:

Radpara PSA (link) , Kandiqueer PSA (link) , Xenosatanist PSA (link) , Xenosatanist Flags (link)

Other important posts from other blogs:

RQ is a Cult (link) , RQ and stochastic terrorism (link) , Step By Step : Report a RQ for Inciting Violence (link), Huge archive of alot of info (link)

Rules for proshit followers, (I wont block you on the spot unless you break these) (ps. these rules go for anyone really):

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2) If any mods catch you being disgusting or promoting illegal shit or abuse in our notes or out in the wild thats also a block.

Theres literally 2 rules its not that hard...

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[sawyer-is-eepy]

tw for syscourse and rq mentions //

i don’t give a shit anymore, this is important so im crosstagging this.

please, whoever you are, please read at least the tl;dr whether youre pro endo, anti endo, anti radqueer, pro radqueer, whatever. ignore the dni i guess? if you dont wanna see this just block me, i won't care.

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god i FUCKING HATE that my existence is seen as pro rq just cause im pro endo.

got called a radqueer today. i got roped in with pedophiles and necrophiles and zoophiles.

look, listen, i'm all for anti-contact pro-recovery supporters and i do think that we shouldn't shun these people away.

but rq is not for that. they actively support pro-contact and anti recovery rhetoric as well as say its okay to be rcta and "transage" and shit.

THIS should be the thing anti rq focus on. instead of the fact that because i support something that DOES HAVE FUCKING RESEARCH ON IT DESPITE WHAT YOU ALL SAY YOU FUCKERS.

i can fight and kick and scream and yell all i want but at the end of the day, my opinion automatically doesnt matter.

it doesnt even matter if a system with a fucking diagnosis that is "normal" (aka no fictives, factives, less than like 15 alters, and has a miserable life because of course thats what its like for all *real* systems or whatever) was trying to fight against rq, if they were even kind of proendo they’d be shot down immediately.

let me reiterate this- NOT ALL ENDOS ARE RQ. NOT ALL PRO ENDOS ARE RQ. 

please fucking stop roping us in with these people. please. 

to rq - i dont want to be included in your fucking community. We’re fine on our own, okay? we don't need your “safe space,” you’re actively making it worse. kindly FUCK OFF AND STOP RUINING THIS FOR US. PLEASE. EVERY SINGLE DAY OF MY LIFE IS SPENT PROVING MYSELF OVER THE FUCKING INTERNET AND IT’S HARDER BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU. 

to endo rq- we don’t want you representing us. you are NOT the face of endos and supporters. Kindly also fuck off to your own space with the rq instead of speaking for us. 

every day i have to say the same shit because of YOU PEOPLE. YOU FUCKING PEOPLE. 

i can’t have fucking anything and i can’t win. my existence is constantly “disproven” or “debunked” or just used as rage fuel.

and it feels like it’ll never end. tell me, when does this shit end? when does all of this work we as a community have done pay off? 

damn. maybe i should stop doomscrolling, huh?

tl;dr i’m an endo/endo supporter and i would like to say that it is exhausting to constantly be roped in with radqueers just cause they support us or whatever. they don't speak for us, they don’t represent us, hate us all you want but don't label us radqueer. fucking PLEASE. and also, maybe we should focus on trying to stop the zoophiles, pedophiles and necrophiles and / or fighting for system awareness in general before we focus on fighting on whether or not endos are real when most people don’t even accept “real” systems.

[many-but-one]

Recently saw a post about folks feeling upset about CDD systems saying they are endo-neutral yet also not wanting to see endo stuff on their dashboards. I’m not reblogging and adding to it because I feel like it would kind of be beating a dead horse because a mutual of mine said basically the same thing I’m about to say and I wanted to make my own post about it. I rarely make posts about syscourse for a variety of reasons but I do think this is something that is important.

I’ve been endo-neutral for a long time, a couple years at least. I’ve openly stated that I find endogenic plurality plausible and interesting. I’ve made a video on tiktok about this subject that got me a plethora of vague posts and made people despise me for having the take that I did. I’ve gotten both hate anons and positive anons on tumblr thanking me or hating me for taking the stance that I did. I’ve met endos who were lovely people and I’ve met endos who were really shitty people. And the same for anti-endos. I’ve been watching the syscourse battle rage on for years and the fact that the same stuff keeps coming up over and over with no “winner” (because it’s a discussion that doesn’t need to have a winner imo—endos can believe what they want and so can anti-endos) makes it feel like the two sides are constantly battling over a fictional no-man’s-land that has only ended in people being hurt, people being hurtful, and just so much fucking negativity.

However, as a CDD system, I don’t think it’s completely implausible to not want to see endo related stuff on my dashboard. I personally believe that the two groups *should* be separate. Because clearly the two groups trying to blend together is what *causes* this discourse to get so bad in the first place. Even if you believe you have a traumagenic system but identify as endo because you don’t think you’re disordered, then the resources and experiences talked about in the CDD tag won’t apply to you. Folks who have a CDD have childhood trauma and therefore their experiences are going to center around being traumatized. I shouldn’t have to want to see stuff from a non-disordered/endo system on my dash if our experiences don’t align at all. I shouldn’t have to preach my neutrality or support for endos day and night for me to be able to say that I am endo neutral or endo supportive.

The main reason I identify as endo neutral despite having a general support of endo systems existing is for a variety of reasons. The main ones being 1) I cannot police other people’s personal experiences 2) whether endogenic plurality is proven by science or not doesn’t matter to me because I’m not endogenic 3) I hate participating in syscourse and taking sides or disclosing sides openly is by nature partaking in it but Gods Forbid I don’t declare what side I’m on or I’m somehow betraying one side or the other 4) both sides can and have been incredibly toxic to each other and I don’t like that kind of negativity in my life, I’ve had enough of having to take sides who are both shit in my life 5) I think the fact that we are STILL fighting over this shit and have been for years with no leeway one way or another makes the fight pointless and should just Stop and 6) I do believe in a separation of the groups because I genuinely believe many if not most systems on either side will refuse to exist in harmony, not to mention the experiences of each side are completely different and non-comparable in exception to both sides having alters present—whether formed by trauma or other means.

I support the views of some endos. I support the views of some anti-endos. I understand why there is animosity on both sides. It is not possible for me to even take a side. However, because I’m a CDD system who has A Lot of trauma, my experiences are not comparable to that of endos and I don’t want to see their content on my dash. I don’t follow the plural tag, I don’t follow the syscourse tag, so I don’t often see endo stuff on my dash because those tend to be spaces in which both are present. And that’s fine because I can curate my own tumblr experiences. But when I see endo stuff in the DID tag or the dissociative disorder tags, that’s when I do get annoyed because endogenic plurality is not comparable to a CDD. And if you’re a traumagenic system who identifies as endo, I feel like that means you should make your own tags and stay out of the ones meant for one side or the other. Or stick to endo only tags. Mixed origins tags exist, don’t co-opt the traumagenic tags when you have distanced yourself from being traumagenic by identifying as endo. You know? Traumagenic tags, DID tags, dissociative disorder tags—all those are for disordered systems, systems who have a complex dissociative disorder. We HAVE made our own tags and our own spaces, they just semi-regularly get co-opted by endo users.

And the same goes for anti-endos. Stop freaking tagging your endo hate with endogenic tags. If you don’t want them in your spaces so badly, don’t invade their spaces either. Fucksakes.

[bastard-coatedbastards]

Because you get many identities :)

Many DISSOCIATED identities

Because dissociation is exactly what prevents the ego states from fusing when they would normally.

Gender is FLUID, and made up.

brain structure is NOT!!

YOUR BRAIN IS AN ORGAN. IF YOU HAVE PERSONALITY SEPARATION IT'S BECAUSE SOMETHING CAUSED THE ELECTRICAL IMPULSES IN THAT ORGAN TO DEVELOP THAT WAY.

IT'S NOOOOTTTTTTT DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT AN "IDENTITY" IT IS A MALADAPTIVE COPING MECHANISM

If you can live a functional life with it, awesome!!! Amazing!!!! Valid!!!!! But if you straight up deny that ANY possibility that your brain was reacting to your environment as you developed, shut the fuck up. People don't spend decades studying the human brain (whether the typical nepo baby doctor listens to them or not) so that fucking children can cause confusion within plural communities. I'm not a doctor either, but as a caretaker I clearly I care about knowing how this brain and body works more than average.

Post factual information backed up by something more than a Google doc and get comfortable with fucking suffering. Being a system doesn't have to be any worse than the rest of the world's shit shows they have going on, but LIFE is INHERENTLY traumatic. Cry about it or listen to people and get help. IDC.

[sysmedsaresexist]

your (idk who I'm talking about exactly lol) post where you talk about endo research and anti-endo being a dying stance is really cool actually. also cool cat in a plastic bag image.

while we are on this topic, what does one mean by "endo-neutral"? I fail to see the gray area between being pro- and anti-endo - one either accepts that endos exist and experience plurality or refuses to accept their existence and experiences. or they don't know anything about it, which is a completely separate thing as these people haven't formed any opinions yet, therefore they are not endo-neutral.

thank you in advance for enlightening! if you ever will answer, that is.

I make the same expression as that cat every time I open the syscourse tags

(None of this is meant directly at you, I really appreciate the ask)

Endo neutral is a personal label that could mean literally anything under the sun.

I've written several times about my issues with labels. To sum it up...

CDDs are trauma-based disorders and endogenic plurality is different.

What stance is that?

An anti endo and a pro endo could have the exact same stance. They could be best friends sharing all the resources but instead they're divided by pro vs anti. Maybe it would be more appropriate if we labeled each side by whether they think shared spaces are a good thing, it would tell us just as little as pro/anti endo.

All of this applies to endo neutral, too, but endo neutral gets a few extra fun options.

So, hot take:

👏 you 👏 are 👏 allowed 👏 to 👏 be 👏 neutral 👏

An even more important hot take:

Take care of yourself FIRST, always.

Any discourse can be absolute hell on your mental health. This isn't just about syscourse.

For the longest time, the vast majority of people using endo neutral were looking to stay out of syscourse entirely because it was draining on their mental health.

Now, it seems to be more of a slightly anti leaning, I don't know enough label, but many still use it for their mental health. It's impossible to engage in system spaces without syscourse coming up. It's slowly making its way into other communities, completely unrelated to systems-- random game communities, for example.

IMO, syscourse is inescapable in all spaces. It will eventually come up in some capacity.

The neutral label, in my opinion, is the best way to shut down syscourse related topics in inappropriate spaces.

The problem boils down to...

Even that statement can be said to be anti leaning. By allowing the conversation to be shut down, I am... fuck, take your pick. Shutting down endogenic voices, not allowing misinformation to be cleared up, system-phobic. Any number of ridiculous things. There will be SOMEONE who wants to comment, "imagine saying this about trans issues 😤"

For all the talk of mental health safe spaces, we don't make the best attempts at keeping stressful discourse out of it.

Saying that doesn't negate the importance of those topics-- people are struggling daily. It's real.

But we all need downtime, too. Not all of us are capable of constant advocacy and arguments. Some of us are incredibly active in other discourse and our plates are already full.

This also means not policing the use of that label. There are some who use it for... not quite right reasons, but there are more people using it for genuine reasons, and that's more important.

That's got to be the Canadian in me. Our system is built on the premise that a small number of bad eggs misusing the system is worth it for the people who really need it.

TL;dr neutral means a lot of things, but IMO, it's mostly health related, and an important label because of that. Once again, always take care of yourself first and foremost.

[pos-syscourse]

Saturday Songs!

Runs in the Family by Amanda Palmer

TW for discussions of trauma, SH, and unhealthy coping mechanisms, both from the song and in the discussion below. Today's Saturday Songs post is a little more aggressive than normal, and definitely more serious. I still think it's very important for many of you to hear, however. It's a lot less positive, so be warned; I wouldn't read this if you aren't ready for some anger and direct callout tonight.

I've always heard this song as being about DID, or at least, about my specific trauma experiences that led to me developing DID.

So many people in syscourse are individuals with severe trauma. DID systems, OSDD systems, traumatized endogenic systems -- and so many people that making a list is redundant and foolish, and so much overlap, does it matter? We are fucked up.

For as long as I can remember, I have been traumatized. I carry it with me, unable to get rid of it, because my family has hurt me. And I will always carry that. Even with all of my therapy, even with all of my supports and hard work, I will be forever changed, and I will carry the mark of that forever.

The body keeps the score, right?

And it's always been harder with mental illness, these things that hide themselves in me. I can't run from them, but everyone looks at me and they can't see it. It's not written anywhere on me, and some days, I've been so hurt that I've resented that. That I've wanted to hurt myself to make it visible, make it known that I am not well.

And I hate to admit that sometimes, even to myself, but especially to anyone else, because I've been taught to hide. My disorder has been taught to hide. And I just want to run away, like the song says; I want to run and not face any of it, run from the problems these things have caused.

I have hurt people. And I want to just blame my family, blame my trauma, blame it and scream it and burn it all down.

But I can't. This disorder -- this trauma -- is inside of me.

... My therapist said one day, "Trauma is a mess someone else made, but that you have to clean up. And it isn't nice, and it isn't pretty, but it'll stay there until you clean it up."

It's not fair, what's been done to me. It's not fair, what's been done to you. But you cannot run away from it. You have to clean it up. And yes, you will always carry that with you. It's like a stain on the carpet; you can clean it up, you can make it spotless, but you'll always be able to think back to a time when it wasn't spotless, when it was a mess.

And you'll be angry.

And that's a you problem, because you are the one who had to clean it up. And it wasn't fair! And it's cruel and shouldn't have happened!

But if you don't clean it up, it'll stay on the floor, be in the way, and make you angrier and angrier with no direction to put it in... other than on others.

So many people in syscourse are running. When I started syscoursing, I used it as an escape from my current abusive situation. And it felt good. It felt familiar. It was high intensity, high emotion, and I felt right at home, like I was doing something good by getting so mad that I could barely function. And that was a form of me running, because I didn't have to clean the mess. I could just push the anger about the mess onto other people.

So many in syscourse are denying responsibility. "I'm anti-endo because endogenic systems traumatized me." "I'm pro-endo because anti-endos traumatized me." "It was my alter." "I'm traumatized, I reacted poorly, criticizing me is harassing a traumatized person."

You always will be. You will never not be traumatized.

But you can clean that mess. You can heal. You can grow. You'll still be traumatized, but you can help your reactions.

But you cannot help your reactions by running from the problem.

Don't listen to the laws you've heard, you've grown up with, you've made... Don't listen to that voice in your head that tells you, "You're safer if you run." Don't listen to that voice in your head that tells you, "If you acknowledge you made a mistake, you'll be hurt more, you didn't make a mistake because mistakes aren't allowed." These are the laws that told you to run.

Clean it up. Carry it with you, as you will, but clean it up.

Stop pushing it onto everyone else.

[the-crystal-femmes]

OKAY, mutuals listen up, this is important

I do not care if you are pro-endo or anti-endo, however if you call them mentally ill, harass them by any means or go out of your way to insult endos just because you're anti-endo, DNI.

If you are anti-good faith labels, and this INCLUDES mspec lesbians, gays multigender indvidviuals, and lesboys, DNI.

If you harass ANYONE because you believe they are making shit up, DNI.

I'm not tolerating you any longer. I'm sick of your shit. I see it constantly from my OWN mutuals and it's disturbing.

Stay in your own fucking lane. Stop fake claiming others you don't know shit about, touch grass. I don't care for queer discourse, I don't care for syscourse (not that I should meddle any way, but I'm tired of seeing this shit)

[scr-ppup]

@ Scr-ppup | 🪦👁️

—"Even the divine of the mercy and prayers will not help you..

"For I will still smite your ass to the oblivion's growing hunger."—

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Anons; 🌊🐈‍⬛,

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"You hear me, old bastard?"—

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> I am neurodivergent & disabled, 06/18 & genderqueer, Finnish entity, transspecies, alterhuman & holothere.

> Call me mainly Koiri or Ashlin on this blog, or Kalma.

> I don't have a DNI for my terms and flags, but I do block folks that are specified in my BYF if following. :)

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— "The world didn't go too easy on you, did it, Kalma?"

BYF

- I belong into quite a few blankqueer/-punk stances in some way; reclaimed feralqueer, hallowpunk, redemptionqueer, darlingqueer, yandequeer, (ally) rabiespride, eepyqueer, para-health, Beastpunk, mangledqueer, Sataniqueer & freakqueer.

None of these labels will override *my* stances that I've laid in my BYF. Beware of this. (Also I'm going to get all the links in a bit lol.)

I am anti harassment, pro-para - anti-contact (+ a para myself) & pro- safe recovery, anti-censorship & I'm peacefic. I'm pro good-faith / contradicting terminology, I believe everyone has a unique sense of self and should be able to use the terms and call themselves what they want to reflect themselves. I stand with the 4B, land-back, black lives matter movements, and pro decolonization.

My political view is anarcho-leftist, however I do not go into that side much since this is a hobby blog.

I am not interested in ship- or syscourse and I find radical pros and antis extremely harmful from both discourses. Do not include me in them. (Besides I'm singlet thus I don't think someone calling themselves endo or supporting or not supporting them is something I should be "included in" on or concerned by. Pro & anti endos alike can interact if they want, just know where I stand and don't break your own DNI for the sake of it.)

Also, those who cannot separate fiction from reality or glorify and romanticize real-life murderers, S/A, mafias, criminals, and so on, you're not even on the thin ice if you follow me you will be blocked.

I do not fuck with (read: i am a heavy anti of) wrongfully used harmful transid folks, rad./queers, xeno.satanists. white supremacists, nationalists, facists, or racists & ableist at all. (Neo) Na.zis and supporters/apologists, pro-colonialists and -capitalists, pro-cop / blue lives matter / all lives matter believers. Neither do I fuck with those who glorify, romantize, or demonize (or speak over folks with) mental illnesses, personality disorders or disabilities.

Also label lumpers and exclusionists (""bi-spec"", aros to aces, aphobics, transphobic, multitransphobic, intersexists, etc), queer-phobic/anti-LGBTQIA+ folk. SW-/TERFs, Radfems, misogynist & misandrist alike; sexists in general. + folks who suibait, witch-hunt, and harass others or condone/support it.

—"you look like an animal, a cornered hound baring its teeth in front of certain death..."

Themed after a CoD oc named Kalma.

—

Questions are always welcome, but please bear in mind that if the question is asked in noticeably bad Faith it will not be answered unless I feel the need to answer it because it's important.

[griancraft]

Hello, would you like to expand on the DID being treated similarly to Autism and ADHD by tiktok and tumblr?

Hi this is already getting long and I wanna post this as soon as possible so people who want to see it will see it. This is written on like 3 hours of sleep after a 8 hour shift and it took me 3 HOURS because I am so fucking out of it ask for clarification before getting upset if something is wrong.

I also want to preface this with the fact I am an advocate for healthy multiplicity. I’ve written essays for classes on non monogamy and DID. I’ve written about how identifying as separate but whole has been the best way to heal for ME. I am in no way saying that the way professionals talk about us is a complete picture. Our history is important and self advocacy is important and I think both disordered and non disordered advocacy should be taken seriously.

In the context of the disorder of DID, which is characterized specifically by distress and impairment, talking about it as a disorder is really fucking important. If you’re interested in the history of non disordered systems Sai’s card is absolutely incredible and I really really think it’s important to read. This is not a “syscourse” post or whatever, this all existed before the internet. I feel like discoursing over wether what real people experience is real is stupid because you’re never going to get into their brain.

Much of our history is self recorded because professionals for so long treated us like we were unable to understand our situation and unable to advocate for ourselves. All of these are reputable and sourced with great care by someone I trust.

https://plural.neocities.org

Alright preface over or whatever uh. Here we go.

While the DID community is much smaller than the ADHD/Autistic community, the issue of “well, I can do that, why can’t you?” is very present in a LOT of spaces. There are many similarities in how our “weirdnesses” is perceived outwardly by society. Some things are very very similar such as us being “off putting” and a lot of us being disabled to the point where we are unable to work a job. So, so much is similar in how society views us because there are so many crossover symptoms. But in terms of different experiences I’ve had people say it’s weird that I seem to switch between “emotional states” so quickly, that it’s weird how my voice changes pitch and my stims are different, that its “weird” when I switch to certain alters (my ex said this to his face btw) because they act so differently from me, I often feel the discomfort from certain friends when an alter introduces themselves with their own name. Some of these were said by systems, too!

We find it difficult to identify switches and tell who is fronting, sometimes we can’t tell until I (the host) am back in the front and things are disorienting. There is a massive push to CONSTANTLY be able to identify who’s fronting to other people.

I’ve noticed that a lot of what I experience isn’t in line with what people talk about on tumblr and TikTok and I struggled with that for awhile. Despite having the closest thing I can have to a diagnosis at this point, and doing what I can to read the literature. I do not know who is fronting if it is not me most of the time and identifying who can actually put a lot of strain on us. Sometimes we are distinct enough to tell, but not always. Many people I know also experience this.

Tools like pluralkit and simplyplural are great, but I’ve heard so many stories of singlets and even other systems feeling “lied to” when someone doesn’t identify who is fronting. For a very very long time we felt a lot of pressure to constantly be able to identify who is in the front. This is a symptom that is kinda supposed to happen though, you are dissociating from yourself.

I also think a lot of other systems find littles, animals alters, and fictives/factives cringe/weird and feel very self righteous in bullying them because of it especially if they are “normal” systems.

Littles are “weird” because it’s a child alter in a usually adult body. It’s “weird” that an adult is acting like a kid. DID is a dissociative disorder with the cause being linked to childhood trauma. An alter may form as a child as a result of said trauma. Animal alters are “weird” because it is abnormal to see people acting like animals and the (often) non speaking aspect of this isn’t taken seriously. Again, DID is linked to childhood abuse, if a child with DID was treated like an animal by their abusers they are probably going to form an animal alter.

Fictives and factives are more complex because it’s so often used as an indicator that people are faking because it’s “weird”. This is silly. I’m just going to repost something I’ve already wrote on it because I think explaining it again would make me loose my actual fucking mind.

“Things like “if I were this character I wouldn’t be in this situation” and “this character would take care of me, they wouldn’t hurt me” and “if I was this character I would be strong enough to survive” are all things I’ve thought of as probable reasons and I’ve heard similar from others too!

Also, it is a LOT easier to make something from a blueprint/template than create something entirely new in anything. I don’t see why that would be different in the brain especially if one is going through a lot already. Normal alters pull from our experiences already so it’s kinda just a more extreme version of that imo!”

And what you need to understand about living with DID is that it’s fucking weird. It will be weird. Systems aren’t any more “normal” if they don’t experience weird symptoms.

I think the “tee hee alters in my head” talk is SOMETIMES overwhelming discussions of what it is like to live day to day with the disorder. There are days when there is very little internal communication within us, and many people I know do not have any internal communication at all.

The idea that alters are separate people and not ‘parts of a whole’ is something I’ve seen people very defensive on. while I like. Get this sentiment, and it can be very very invalidating to be told this. But it’s not really consistent with the literature and if you want to treat your plurality like DID you have to at least consider parts language IMO. Modern papers in my experience do affirm the individual identities of alters while still using parts language. This is very good in my opinion because it not only validates the lived experiences of someone with DID but also stays on the track of treating the disorder in one way or another.

There are severe and dangerous symptoms related to DID that are NOT talked about enough. There are comorbidities that are not talked about at all that I like, only found out about from scouring papers. But I do not want to get into that until I have at least. A week to recover from finals dear FUCK.