#because this is important as fuck in syscourse

[the-sour-patch-crew]

I don't get it

Anti-Endos: "Endos are faking or are in denial about their trauma"

*makes an important posts about accepting trauma*

"BACK OFF ENDOS THIS ISN'T FOR YOU"

.... if you think endos are in denial... why the fuck are you excluding them from a post that may actually help them recognize their trauma? You don't even need to mention them. You don't need to include them in your tags. But saying "not for you" or "fuck off" is unnecessary. You ARE including them when you do this. You are including them because you want to shame or scare them off. Yeah, that's a fantastic way to convince those mean ol endos in denial to stop being in denial. /sarcasm

You can speak to a target audience without publicly yelling and tossing people out because *you* think they don't belong there. Just say dni and move on. You are including pointless hate and syscourse in a post that was intended to help *traumatized systems*. I don't care who you think is a system or not. Trauma is trauma.

Yes, this post is a targeted vague. But I see this same thing again and again by anti-endos. Knock it off already.

Positivity and help should not be gatekept.

You can control your content and target audience without being rude or pronouncing your hate constantly towards another group of people. More of you should try it in syscourse. More of you should try it in general.

[anonymousfield]

i do not care what side of the syscourse argument you are on, if you are fine with aspen saying that "all systems matter" is the system equivalent of "all lives matter" thats a fucking problem. are you kidding me??? you are going to equate "all lives matter", which is a statement that pretends black people dont face racism and danger everyday, to "all systems matter" which is a statement that is about systems wanting to be acknowledged??? black people are literally murdered because of racism and you want to say that "all lives matter" is the same as "all systems matter" and people making posts on tumblr that you dont like. are you fucking kidding me? how the fuck do you get to the point to think thats at all ok. lets pretend for a second that "all systems matter" is actually a bad thing. do you seriously want to say thats comparable to 100s of racial injustice? do you really want to compare that with black people getting murdered by cops for literally just existing? do you seriously think that in any circumstance you should be comparing these things. what the fuck is wrong with you

we are not black (or a poc) so please listen to black and other poc systems. i made this post cause its really important and some of our posts get traction, but please make sure to listen to poc systems voices.

[thecircularsystem]

I wrote up a post last night as I've been thinking a lot about recovery, the DID community, and as always, syscourse (ugh).

I think that people... overestimate how much DID really matters in my life, while simultaneously underestimating it, and I think that folks do that to recovered systems (or systems in recovery) a lot.

My parts, amnesia, and dissociation all impact my life greatly. Hello, reason I have a diagnosis in the first place? But the issue is, I don't really think about it 24/7. Sure, my blog talks a lot about these things, but in my daily life? It's just... life. I go to work, I do my job, I come home, I write, I eat, I go to bed eventually. Usually put some grading and some gaming in there. People tend to overestimate how much DID is impacting my daily life because it really doesn't. And I get people telling me how I'm an inspiration for being "openly a DID system" and how they can look up to me -- and I get it, I really do, I feel the same way about a lot of recovered systems. But I worry about this... pedestal that recovery gets put on. I worry about how much people attribute my life's work... to "A DID system's work" rather than "Circ's work."

I might be somewhat publicly multiple -- and yes, I plan to increase my visibility in that regard, cause it is important to me... but I'm reminded of a piece of art by Anna Daliza, titled "Artist Bio."

How many people think of "Circ" as a circle on a screen? How many think of "Circ" as a system in recovery? How many think of "Circ" as a syscourser, and that's it? I know that the original artistic intention was surrounding the culture of prioritizing identity politics and tokenized diversity in popular culture/media, but.. I'm feeling it. How much of my work is valued, not because of the words they say, but because of the person who is saying them being on this beautiful pedestal of "Recovery"?

I think people look at that word and guess that it's like... Some sort of ideal in some ways. They inherently place emphasis on the DID by placing emphasis on the recovery.

But that right there is where the underestimation also comes in. Because I talk a lot about where I'm at in recovery, and how I find joy in my DID, and how DID isn't really impacting my life negatively anymore... and people seem to take that as not impacting me... at all anymore.

DID is part of my identity. It is part of who I am. I am not just me; I am 15 people in a trench-coat trying to sneak into a movie theater. And as I sneak in successfully, I laugh with my partner about the huge deal I got on tickets, because now it's so cheap for 15 people! I tell my friends jokes about the people in my head. I discuss things with other parts and hear them fucking around in my brain. I crack jokes at work that slip under the radar because they don't know, and I find joy in that.

I also equally struggle. I lose time, I have panic attacks, I argue with myself and my own cognitive dissonance. I can't sleep, can barely eat, can barely take care of myself many, many days. I still have hardship due to my disorder -- it disorders my life, after all. And it feels like mentioning this is somehow taboo in some way, now.

It is a vital, huge part of my life, even while not being on this ever-present pedestal. I cannot ignore it; it will never go away. And I don't... really want it to. I love having DID, I won't lie. I love myself, and I love who I am. But it's loving my life just as much as I love the disorder I have; it's loving who I am just as much as the disorder. My recovery is not on a pedestal; I am, for the work I have put in, and since my DID is part of me, it's here too.

People seem to look at recovery as if it's a cure. As if the DID is somehow no longer bothering me at all, just because I've slapped a label of "in recovery" on myself. And worst still, there's like a silent (or not so silent) judgement from parts of the community if I begin struggling visibly, or even just loudly having my disorder. Like having this disorder inherently means I can't recover.

I mean, for fucks sakes: the amount of times I see others mentioning that final fusion can "fail," for instance, and "you can still split again" when discussing how DID is a lifelong disorder...

How could one look at someone's recovery and say they failed?

And in that case, it's considered a failure... to struggle. To experience a coping mechanism that is built in due to the disorder. To... experience fucking DID.

Almost like still having DID impact you is, somehow, a failure. A bad thing. Something that needs "fixed."

Speaking up about any impact it has on me seems to go against the ideas of recovery the community has, because they look at recovery in such a way that they underestimate the impact DID has on me.

My therapist and I recently discussed my role in my system now, since I used to be around solely to... hate everything, but mostly myself. I was a depression holder, and labeled myself as such or similar. But in recent years, my role has completely changed. My title is currently "Pride Alter," though I don't have that shown off because I'm a bit shy about it I won't lie. Like. That seems like a huge badge of honor, but a lot of... scrutiny comes with it.

I'm almost ashamed that I love my disorder. That I love who I am -- not despite what's happened, but because I love myself, disorder and all. I've accepted my disorder as part of me. And it feels like I'm surrounded by others who... hate me for that. Not directly, not to my face, but... needless to say, the concept of loving yourselves is foreign in a lot of the community. And I was right there with you, very much so not long ago... But now I feel like I'm intruding, somehow, because I'm breaking the expectations.

I'm either allowed to be blatantly and overtly a person who happens to have DID loudly, and people overestimate how much it impacts my life due to that...

Or I'm allowed to struggle, even a little bit, and people underestimate how much it impacts my life...

And in both of those cases, I feel like the community ignores those like me who are in recovery. Who are working hard to improve their own lives. People that I look up to for the work they've put in also seem to share these sentiments, from what I've seen (though please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong!), so like.

What's up with that, I guess?

[botanical-garden-system]

🌺Intro to the Garden🪷

Hey yall, we are the Botanical Garden System!

We like using this platform to basically post how our experiences with mental health impact us—whether this is ADHD, trauma, MDD, OCD, or any other issue we have fought with. Most posts will be surrounding psychological research in trauma and dissociation, experiences or symptoms I have had, and general psychology resources I have “sailed the seas” to access in my craving for knowledge

I left my asks open and made a post expressing my answers to questions [here’s the post talking about this more]. You can pretty much ask whatever!

Spam/Reblog account: @botanical-gardens-system (we will post our responses to reposts and wonderful comments you guys have added thru that now. I genuinely read every reblog and have teared up with the amount of stories, love, and comfort you guys have gotten from my posts).

Music account: @botanics-beats (It’s kinda dead rn, sorry yall)

Our spam/reblog blog is where we house all posts we reblog. Usually there isn’t much text unless I am reblogging a response someone posted that I found important. Generally everything is system-related, but it sometimes has repost of other stuff like memes or something political.

DNI Criteria/Boundaries:

There is no DNI. DNIs are kinda useless and instead I will just block you if I don’t feel like I want to interact with you, and feel free to block me if you think I am violating any of your DNI. I never check DNIs really and I’m sure not many check mine. Just please don’t be a dick.

Bodily we are 20 years of age, and we would prefer having minimal interactions with minors in any dm setting. This page is safe from NSFW posts and content, so it is safe for minors to interact with, but we would much rather private dms and conversations be with other adults.

Understand I do not care about syscourse. I think it is a useless argument and it’s very frustrating to know it encompasses a good 50-70% of all content I see on here. I do not care to entertain discourse or debates on what you think is right or not, that’s not at all what I focus on in my studies.

Regardless of beliefs, this is going to be a safe space, and I do not want anyone being rude to people who reblog or comment on my posts. If I am uncomfortable with you, then I will block you at my discretion.

While I am not enforcing it, I would kindly ask you NOT to tag my posts with syscourse. That’s not a tag I want my posts to be under because I generally do not want to be roped into arguments. I’m not gonna block you if you have/if you do, it’s just a preference! I know some people reblog my posts under the tag as awareness, so this isn’t really some hard rule or anything. This just isn’t really a debate account, and you don’t get to be a dick to me because of a fabricated discourse issue I couldn’t care less about.

Fun facts about us/More Info on us:

We are working on a bachelor’s in psychology and want a master’s in nursing!

The ultimate goal is a master’s in nursing with a focus in PMHNP and a doctorate in clinical psychology. Being able to fund myself well through being a PMHNP and enjoying my research/teaching/helping through clinical psychology would be the most fulfilling life I could ever ask for.

We are a huge advocate of sharing and distributing free educative sources, and we have entire folders full of nearly 100 different resources we will gladly share!!

Since we are so big in psychology, our entire account is more psychological-science oriented to better understand our’s and other’s personal experiences. Our approach is always going to be empathy and understanding first.

Identity wise, queer is the best way we can describe ourselves.

A lot of us are generally agender, asexual, and aromatic, but we do have some alters who are pansexual and/or are a separate gender. Generally we are transmasc-neutral and the safest pronoun would be he/him. Neopronouns and xenogenders are fucking awesome and some of us do in fact use them!!

We are currently in a happy relationship right now!

We are traumagenic and experience the higher end of the dissociation spectrum (DID).

We do know our “origin” term would be considered traumagenic concerning our personal history. Our dissociative experience is very complicated and we have often felt alienated within the community, so we try our best to share feelings we hope others find comfort in. Honestly have no idea how to keep up with headcounts because our system doesn’t fully work like that but at least 10 have fronted on numerous occasions.

If there are any other adult systems that would like to interact, I would be happy too!

We’re friendly, I promise!!! However, this account is our only social media-related connection. We do not talk outside of this blog and are not associated with anything else! That being said, we do not feel comfortable sharing our simply plural unless you are someone we know deeply.

Tagging system for organization purposes:

“ #Omg a hit tweet /silly ” (more like a personal record to keep track of my top posts so I can respond to everyone/look at them)

“ #Botanical

[sysmedsaresexist]

Let's face it. Not everyone uses the term "system" to mean to same thing. For some people, it exclusively means someone with a complex dissociative disorder (DID/OSDD/etc.). For some people, it means anyone who experiences a plurality of people, parts, or identities within the same body.

These two definitions for the same word are like oil and water, apples and oranges. CDDs are caused by trauma, so "system" in the context of exclusively-CDDs invalidates people who use the other definition. Not all experiences of inner people/parts is caused by trauma, or ascribed to a disorder, so "system" in this context invalidates the people who use the other definition.

When you see "system" as being exclusively CDDs, you see people claiming that CDDs aren't disorders, you see people claiming that CDDs aren't caused by trauma, you see people claiming that they have CDDs without the disorder or trauma. It's triggering, it's isolating, it's scary.

But it's not what they're actually saying.

It’s important to understand this if you’re engaging in syscourse. Otherwise, you’re just going to feel hurt all the time. There's so many posts that aren't talking about CDDs at all and someone comes onto it shouting things about CDDs. Vice versa. All because of terminology.

Not everyone uses the same terms to mean the same thing. Terms change over time, and you have to understand that. Even within the CDD community this happens so much. The community nowadays likes to use “host” to mean the part that fronts the most, but twenty years ago people often used “host” to mean a part that they thought existed before all the other parts, and many clinicians believed that this part didn’t front hardly at all. Years back, the concept of someone having a system of parts was used in reference to CDDs so much that it was often what people automatically thought of. Now, it’s a common framework of various therapies like IFS, for disordered experiences like PTSD and trauma-based psychosis, and for non-disordered plurality.

Before 2014, "endogenic systems" were called natural plurals. Tumblr has always preferred the term "system", meanwhile I've been on other social media platforms that majorly prefer the term "plural" and some that prefer "multiple" over anything else.

I’ve seen so many people identify as “anti-endo” even though they believe in endogenic plurality, and also people who identify as “pro-endo” but think that all endogenics are actually disordered with hidden trauma.

Yes, this can all be frustrating and confusing; I’ve been fucked over by it many times as an autistic person. I often struggle to understand what people mean when they rely on labels to communicate their opinions, usually because I’ve met people who use the same exact terms to communicate an entirely different opinion. So much of syscourse literally centers around certain labels and who they apply to. Yet, people can't even agree on what these labels mean.

Does it really matter that much...?

I guarantee you guys within the next twenty years, you’re going to see some of the terms you’re fighting over now be changed to mean something entirely different. Time moves on, things change. It’s just not worth hurting others over.

I hope that we can all learn to be a little gentler with each other regardless of what terms and labels we use. In a community so full of trauma survivors, who already have to deal with so much of society disbelieving and hijacking our stories...I think we need the gentleness.

[our-agabpunk-experience-2]

Hi. I’m back. I was the creator of the original AGABpunk blog, and I ended up shutting it down. I want to recreate it, so here we are. I’m copy and pasting my original pinned post, as well as adding some notes that I think are relevant now.

Hi! This is a new our-experience blog for anyone who considers themselves AGABpunk! AGABpunk is a broad term that involves rejecting the concept of AGAB as it is currently used and reinventing it for oneself. It includes AFAB transfems, AMAB transmascs, transmascfems, AFAB cis men, AMAB cis women, those who self-assign their AGAB, those who use neoAGABs and xenoAGABs, AGABless people, and so much more! My header is the AGAB non-conforming flag because there is no AGABpunk flag, which is also why my icon is just the default icon.

You can submit experiences starting with “My AGABpunk experience is…”, but you can also start them with a specific identity under the AGABpunk umbrella, such as “My AMAB transmasc experience is…”, “My AFAB cis man experience is…”, “My S-AFAB experience is…”, “My ASAB (Assigned Sleepy At Birth) experience is…”, or “My AGABless experience is…”. You can also include another identity in your ask, like “My bisexual AGABpunk experience is…”, “My plural AFAB transfem experience is…”, or “My AGABless transmasc experience is…”

Some ground rules.

1- Intersex people are pretty much the founders of the AGABpunk and AGAB non-conforming community, and continue to be some of its most important members. Intersexism is very much not welcome here. For a look at what casual intersexism in the queer community looks like, check out these posts:

2- However, intersex people are not the only members of the AGABpunk community. There are many reasons that perisex people would feel connected to the community and the labels under it. Gatekeeping is not welcome here, whether it’s gatekeeping the AGABpunk label itself or any of the labels in its umbrella. Both intersex and perisex AGABpunk people are important.

3- Another big reason people identify as AGABpunk is plurality. For that reason, I want this blog to be a safe space for all plurals. I will block anti-endos. Attempts to start syscourse here will also be blocked. I want all plurals of all origins to feel safe here. And I cannot do that while welcoming anti-endos.

I also do not welcome bigots or radqueers, but that should hopefully be a given. Fuck off, both of you.

A note on AFAB transfems and AMAB transmascs: In the past I was accused of supporting the “fetishization of trans people by cis people” by supporting these labels. I was also told that I clearly didn’t think trans women were real women and trans men were real men for supporting them. These are both wild conclusions to draw. Mostly because they’re not true. Why does the existence of AFAB transfems and AMAB transmascs imply either of those things? If you repeat these arguments, I will assume you don’t actually understand what you’re talking about.

A note on self-assignment, neoAGABs, and xenoAGABs: I was also told that these terms were making light of an oppressive system by claiming that you could just be whatever AGAB you want and that AGAB wasn’t about what your doctor wrote down. That they harm the ability of people to talk about the way people are oppressively categorized into a sex binary. Which I understand. I do think that some uses of the terms come off as insensitive. But I also think that there are good-faith ways of using them. That claiming that they are bad in all contexts is harmful. I will continue to assume good faith with them. But I understand the opposition.

Tagging some blogs to get this off the ground: @our-honeybee-transfem-experience, @coffeebean-transmasc-experience

[rayssyscourse]

why are we making syscourse a punk thing: an unedited ramble

no seriously. maybe I'm missing something but why are we all fighting about whether punk is pro or anti endo? the answer is no, it's neither. I'm very punk irl, fairly involved in my local scene, have been for around two years, and I can assure you that punk and syscourse are just... really not related. i mean, I can understand both sides--people who think endos are being ableist can make the case of "I'm punk, so I'm anti ableism", likewise pro endos can make the case of "I'm punk, so I think everyone's identity is valid"--but there's no black and white answer because, simply put, this is just unrelated. again, I can see how, if you're punk, you might use the punk ethos to explain your viewpoint, but for the love of god, please stop taking the label "punk" and trying to twist it to make a completely unrelated argument?? also, the only "argument" this strategy seems to be making is that (pro)endos/anti endos 'arent punk', which is stupid. for one thing, it's not a crime to not be punk, and it's completely absurd to just assume everybody is/wants to be punk (the entire POINT is to go AGAINST the mainstream, not to become it). and second, this is the exact behavior of those punks who go around calling everyone else a poser just to jerk themselves off about how much "more punk" they are. and that's not very punk, now is it? also also: punk is more than just an abstract set of beliefs. those are obviously very important to punk, but just holding those values doesn't (necessarily) make you punk. go outside, hit up your local scene, jump in a mosh put or something, and you'll realize that punk is a community, punk is a people, far more than it is an abstract moral code. seriously, my life took a turn for the better when I got into actual punk music and culture, because it was the tight knit and supportive community that I needed at the time. nobody sat down and drilled me about my every little opinion on everything. we just play loud music and fuck around and curb stomp bigots. i can guarantee everyone fighting under this tag would be much better off actually engaging in the punk community instead of arbitrarily arguing about it online.

sorry to ramble folks! but this was driving me insane, so I'm only like half sorry

[the-sour-patch-crew]

Inflammatory statements and claims of impossibility

In other words "How not to change someone's mind"

"Cannot exist" "delusional" "wrong" "invalid" "fuck off" "stupid" "lying" "aren't real"

These are just a few examples of inflammatory language that are common on Tumblr. If you are trying to educate and change someone's mind about something, you should NOT use inflammatory language.

For one, it causes the other party to become defensive. Once someone is on the defensive, you may as well pack up and go home. You will not succeed in changing their minds or getting them to see how they could potentially be in the wrong. You are hindering your cause.

Second, using inflammatory language means you intend to shame or bully the other party into agreeing with you. Do I really need to say how wrong this is to a largely abused and traumatized community? You want them to agree to you without thinking for themselves. You are hoping to dominate them. But it is important that the other party comes to understand and agree ON THEIR OWN instead. To blindly agree out of pressure or fear will create a tide of misinformation in its wake. You will get a lot of "well this person said it's bad or works this way, so it is" with little actual understanding or ability to help and teach others on the subject.

Third, back up your claims. Avoiding inflammatory language is very important, but so are resources to further educate. No, it is not everyone's job to teach others, but if someone asks for proof or resources and you can provide them, then make sure the information is RELEVANT to the discussion. Do not just flood someone with an overwhelming amount of resources and expect them to comb through it to find the one specific thing they asked about or have doubts over. Provide specifics, then you can provide more general resources for further reading as an option. Because yes, Google exists, and yes, everyone can use a search function to find information. But the information someone finds may not even be the same that YOU got your information from. Also, if you use inflammatory language, no one will want to read any resource you give them anyway.

Fourthly, make sure you understand what you are saying. If you contradict yourself or something isn't adding up, people WILL call it out. If they do, it is important to understand and accept that a mistake or miscommunication happened and approach it again. Discussions are not one and done deals. There will be, and SHOULD have, back and forth conversations. Do not treat a correction as an attack.

And lastly, make it relatable. If you feel someone is wrong, then provide a relatable scenario to compare it to. You don't believe in endogenic plurality but do believe in Aparant Normal Parts? Provide information and multiple scenarios that can explain how they relate and could be mistaken or overlap in behavior. Doing so after using inflammatory language will destroy any chance of relatability. There are genuine instances of people not knowing something exist that could better describe their experiences. But trying to convince someone of this while also attacking them is not how to approach it.

I keep seeing syscourse and random declarations in the plural tags that clearly don't want to be anything beyond shaming others. There isn't an intention to help or wanting to spread understanding and information. No matter what side you stand on, no matter your beliefs, debates and gaining influence is not won through inflammatory language and shaming. It is through understanding and proper civil discussion.

People will not agree with everything you say or present to them. That can't be your only goal going into this. Your goal can not be to prove you are right and that they are wrong. The goal should be to provide what you can in a civil manner so that others who are also watching can learn and decide for themselves. You cannot force a horse to drink as the saying goes. But that doesn't mean the tank of water doesn't serve a purpose for others.

Stop poisoning the well and sabotaging yourselves.

And remember, it is okay to disengage if someone is being inflammatory.

(Examples used were just because it was fresh on the mind. This post is not targeting anyone specific. It's been a long time coming in general)

[us-the-voices-and-more-voices-2]

Us-the-voices intro card!

this is a work in progress but currently it will house the tags we use, our DNI, and alter intros and a couple other fun things!

Link to resource page, filled with many resources. LINK

-------- DC text post series ----------------

superfam being confusing and half clones:

part 1 luthor and Conner reconciliation arc

batfamily stuff: (note this is not in order this is parts of a series each part contains more than 10 posts)

part 1 introducing the batfam along with funny stuff

Part 2 actual batfam serious stuff

part 3 red hood oneshots about various things and how he reacted

part 4 Thomas Wayne being himself, a collection of previous posts

part 5

firestorm being 3 guys:

part 1 the origin + the first couple episodes.

random head cannons important to the series:

part 1 part 2 part 3 part 3 part 4

——————⭐️🦀SIDE BLOGS🦀⭐️————

@us-the-voices-xenogender-blog

A blog for all things blinkies, xenogenders and pixel art

@the-bad-advice-blog-3

you want awful. awful advice? send it in here!

@us-the-batfam-blog

Finally a blog dedicated to just Batman stuff

——————🛑‼️WARNING‼️🛑—————

THIS BLOG CONTAINS BLINKING, FLASHING, EYESTRAIN AND OTHER PHOTOSENSITIVE THINGS! PLEASE BE SAFE, WE WILL TRY TO TAG AS MUCH AS WE CAN BUT IT WILL SLIP THROUGH. PLEASE ONLY LOOK AT TEXT POST FROM US, IF YOU HAVE EPILEPSY BECAUSE I CANNOT GUARANTEE THIS BLOG IS SAFE

this blog talks about mature topics! Such as Sexual abuse, death, trauma, child abuse, ableism, sexism, racism, police brutality, some really depressing environmental issues, homophobia, transphobia, queerphobia, gore, capitalism, and MORE!

so please consider this your warning!

———————⚠️ DNI ⚠️—————————

Terfs/radfems, transphobes/queerphobes, (I have had enough of you. Why do you have to be so awful Jesus, it’s not like awful people don’t come in all shapes, sizes, races, and genders. I ain’t defending awful people. But trans people just exist and I believe in judging people on a person to person basis. I don’t think you are bad I just want you to shut up about it, I’ll always be loudly supportive of trans people and loudly a feminist too. So deal with it! Also I don’t hate men, why would i??? So shush)

ableists/sanists (like the people who discriminate against mentally ill people),

Tankies/marxist-lennists/maoists/north-korean socialist supporters (please fuck off I hate facists, and you are the types to argue that disabled people should all die for the glorious revolution but again fuck you we are 15% of the fucking world’s population and guess what I wanna live)

animal abusers/people who spread misinformation about animals and animal care, (I hope you stub your toes)

syscourse (yeah I don’t ever want to engage in it idc shut up this blog is about literally everything else BUT that.),

bad faith gender/other Identities (E.G BLM gender, transabled, ect.)

racists/xenophobes/antisemites, misogynists.

non-binary exclusionists.

pro-censorship people.

anti-therians/otherkin, (if you are it’s not a deal breaker lol, it’s just some of us are therian/otherkin due to plurality)

only NSFW blogs (like if you occasionally post NSFW your okay, if it’s less than 50% nsfw your fine on this blog lol),

MAP’s AND PEDO’s and people who like l*licon/sh**tacon (fuck off and stay off) (sorry I am actually anti censorship but following our most recent ban I’m being more “careful” when mentioning these topics so sorry)

Dream Stans (yeah I fucking hate that guy, I like MCYT but dream and co can stay off of here REAL) (I have always hated him and I will continue to, fuck off dream Stan’s),

anti-good faith xenogenders (yeah so what if the term xeno-identities is more the “right” term idgaf! I literally have no qualms nor problems with xenogenders, in my mind it makes sense because gender is a social construct and so why not have fun with it?)

And more to be added :)

WE ALSO BELIEVE PEOPLE CAN CHANGE AND GROW, AND HATE IS LEARNED SO IF YOU WERE ONE OF THESE THINGS IN THE PAST AND HAVE NOW REFORMED I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU!

——————————- ALTER INTROS —————————————

Now expanded in our tumblr page!

Pop (hi I’m pop, I’m usually the one on here when it’s not everyone else. If you see me more than usual it means LIFE happened. I’m technically host? But me, Lena, And poppie kinda share that role. They/them he/him)

poppie (cat girl, you see her a lot on here. She’s SUPER into the veganism scene and animal rights and is a cat-therian lol we all love her she’s the best. She/her any cat neopronouns actually.)

Lena (demon, yeah she’s a demon! She’s nonsense hardworking and in the demonkin/otherkin scene. She/her)

belle (psychology nerd, actually knows how to write ANYTHING is honestly the best. She/her)

————————————. Tags ————————————————-

#Anticapitalism stuff (a tag that argues against capitalism, and trashing multinational corporations and a bit of environmental stuff.)

#anarchism stuff (a tag for all things anarchism)

#art stuff (a tag for stuff related to the ethics, discussion, or making of art.)

#music stuff (for all things music and music theory!)

#tv and movie stuff (the tag for film and television, kinda fun kinda sad! It’s good tho)

#anti-censorship stuff (a tag for anti-censorship stuff, and why it’s important!)

#trans stuff (a tag for all things trans! Includes dark topics, mostly happy stuff tho.)

#queer stuff (a tag for all things LGBTQIA+, mostly happy but with triggering and dark topics.)

#mental health stuff (A tag for all things mental health, let it be help or just memes or darker topics.)

#mental illness stuff (a tag for specifically mental illnesses, like anxiety or depression or whatever usually REALLY dark but sometimes happy usually dark tho.)

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#healthcare stuff (The weird tag related to health and healthcare, not a disability tag, not a environmentalism tag literally health and healthcare which is weird. Mostly PSA’s)

#animal care stuff (For all things animal care, I disagree with veganism’s doctrine here. Keeping Some animals and keeping animals can be done well and awesomely and help petstore and wild animals, but people who do animal care just absolutely trash just don’t deserve anything or anyone. It’s a fine line, but I genuinely believe if you take good care of your animals and give them an amazing quality of life I genuinely don’t see a problem with keeping animals.)

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Edit: I do not agree with communism; well Marxist Leninist, or Stalinist, or any variation of fucking facist dictators like North Korean communism/socialism or soviet communism and Maoist communism. Why? Because do I really have to spell it out they were facist DICTATORS, I do not believe a cult of personality is good nor that people instead of being solely valued on their money they are solely valued by their ableness which I think is harmful as shit. A lot of communists are literally tankies and for the death penalty and many other things I’m against including “making prisons torture chambers” “state mandated murder of people against communism” “leaving disabled and mentally ill people to rot because they can’t contribute to the work force and such are useless to the communist state” “stealing shit from people because it now belongs to the state” “forcing people into mandatory labor jobs with no way out of it unless they become disabled or die” and many many more! Communism can be interesting and helpful but in a lot of ways people drunk the “facists aren’t bad they are communists they are for the people!” Drink. And like I don’t believe in that shit, go fucking deconstruct your biases please because otherwise I’m blocking you, talkies fuck off)

#socialism stuff (I actually do believe socialism can work, it’s definitely not the end all be all of ways to govern/live life but I think it’s a good stepping stone to all different wonderful things that can change the world for the better, usually the CIA/FBI/US government appears a lot in this tag due to reasons that will become apparent. But it’s a fun one!)

#fat stuff (A tag about fatphobia, diet culture, ableism and just annoying stuff about being fat lol. Mostly medical negligence and malpractice because holy shit fuck is it bad in this tag. Also Eating disorders are talked about in every post in one way or another, it’s a big problem. Dark tag.)

#religion stuff (A thing for all things religion, it’s basically every criticism and deep cut anyone and everyone has on every single religion, which yk obviously no one literally agrees with anything. It’s mostly everyone going “QUEER/TRANS/DISABLED/WOMEN/“SINNERS” DONT DESERVE THIS TREATMENT IT MAKES NO SENSE!” Other religions “NO THEY DO” and it’s actually very well written and argued for. Also atheism is talked about a lot too, it’s mostly like a deep philosophical and ethical debate that has spanned literally everything and everywhere where it’s all boiled down to “yeah some fuckers deserve prison, but the average normal guy kinda just exists we guess??? Religious or not???? And there’s kinda nothing wrong with it but we would rather them be religious in some way????” And that is still the shittyist summary ever too. But it’s the gist of this tag. Also memes!)

(and where I put all stuff related to religion it’s very much a mixed bag i’m not making fun of anyone actually it’s that there is genuinely too much variety in this tag to accurately tell you what’s in there. It’s everything related to religion all religions!)

#autism stuff (Specifically for autistic stuff, it’s used from time to time.)

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#animals (yes just for animals, nice calm usually no triggering animal stuff. It’s just cuteness usually! Unless I put something dark in there then sorry.)

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BLINKIESSSSS

below the cut because they strobe!!!!!

[sawyer-is-eepy]

tw for syscourse and rq mentions //

i don’t give a shit anymore, this is important so im crosstagging this.

please, whoever you are, please read at least the tl;dr whether youre pro endo, anti endo, anti radqueer, pro radqueer, whatever. ignore the dni i guess? if you dont wanna see this just block me, i won't care.

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god i FUCKING HATE that my existence is seen as pro rq just cause im pro endo.

got called a radqueer today. i got roped in with pedophiles and necrophiles and zoophiles.

look, listen, i'm all for anti-contact pro-recovery supporters and i do think that we shouldn't shun these people away.

but rq is not for that. they actively support pro-contact and anti recovery rhetoric as well as say its okay to be rcta and "transage" and shit.

THIS should be the thing anti rq focus on. instead of the fact that because i support something that DOES HAVE FUCKING RESEARCH ON IT DESPITE WHAT YOU ALL SAY YOU FUCKERS.

i can fight and kick and scream and yell all i want but at the end of the day, my opinion automatically doesnt matter.

it doesnt even matter if a system with a fucking diagnosis that is "normal" (aka no fictives, factives, less than like 15 alters, and has a miserable life because of course thats what its like for all *real* systems or whatever) was trying to fight against rq, if they were even kind of proendo they’d be shot down immediately.

let me reiterate this- NOT ALL ENDOS ARE RQ. NOT ALL PRO ENDOS ARE RQ. 

please fucking stop roping us in with these people. please. 

to rq - i dont want to be included in your fucking community. We’re fine on our own, okay? we don't need your “safe space,” you’re actively making it worse. kindly FUCK OFF AND STOP RUINING THIS FOR US. PLEASE. EVERY SINGLE DAY OF MY LIFE IS SPENT PROVING MYSELF OVER THE FUCKING INTERNET AND IT’S HARDER BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU. 

to endo rq- we don’t want you representing us. you are NOT the face of endos and supporters. Kindly also fuck off to your own space with the rq instead of speaking for us. 

every day i have to say the same shit because of YOU PEOPLE. YOU FUCKING PEOPLE. 

i can’t have fucking anything and i can’t win. my existence is constantly “disproven” or “debunked” or just used as rage fuel.

and it feels like it’ll never end. tell me, when does this shit end? when does all of this work we as a community have done pay off? 

damn. maybe i should stop doomscrolling, huh?

tl;dr i’m an endo/endo supporter and i would like to say that it is exhausting to constantly be roped in with radqueers just cause they support us or whatever. they don't speak for us, they don’t represent us, hate us all you want but don't label us radqueer. fucking PLEASE. and also, maybe we should focus on trying to stop the zoophiles, pedophiles and necrophiles and / or fighting for system awareness in general before we focus on fighting on whether or not endos are real when most people don’t even accept “real” systems.

[bastard-coatedbastards]

Because you get many identities :)

Many DISSOCIATED identities

Because dissociation is exactly what prevents the ego states from fusing when they would normally.

Gender is FLUID, and made up.

brain structure is NOT!!

YOUR BRAIN IS AN ORGAN. IF YOU HAVE PERSONALITY SEPARATION IT'S BECAUSE SOMETHING CAUSED THE ELECTRICAL IMPULSES IN THAT ORGAN TO DEVELOP THAT WAY.

IT'S NOOOOTTTTTTT DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT AN "IDENTITY" IT IS A MALADAPTIVE COPING MECHANISM

If you can live a functional life with it, awesome!!! Amazing!!!! Valid!!!!! But if you straight up deny that ANY possibility that your brain was reacting to your environment as you developed, shut the fuck up. People don't spend decades studying the human brain (whether the typical nepo baby doctor listens to them or not) so that fucking children can cause confusion within plural communities. I'm not a doctor either, but as a caretaker I clearly I care about knowing how this brain and body works more than average.

Post factual information backed up by something more than a Google doc and get comfortable with fucking suffering. Being a system doesn't have to be any worse than the rest of the world's shit shows they have going on, but LIFE is INHERENTLY traumatic. Cry about it or listen to people and get help. IDC.

[sysmedsaresexist]

your (idk who I'm talking about exactly lol) post where you talk about endo research and anti-endo being a dying stance is really cool actually. also cool cat in a plastic bag image.

while we are on this topic, what does one mean by "endo-neutral"? I fail to see the gray area between being pro- and anti-endo - one either accepts that endos exist and experience plurality or refuses to accept their existence and experiences. or they don't know anything about it, which is a completely separate thing as these people haven't formed any opinions yet, therefore they are not endo-neutral.

thank you in advance for enlightening! if you ever will answer, that is.

I make the same expression as that cat every time I open the syscourse tags

(None of this is meant directly at you, I really appreciate the ask)

Endo neutral is a personal label that could mean literally anything under the sun.

I've written several times about my issues with labels. To sum it up...

CDDs are trauma-based disorders and endogenic plurality is different.

What stance is that?

An anti endo and a pro endo could have the exact same stance. They could be best friends sharing all the resources but instead they're divided by pro vs anti. Maybe it would be more appropriate if we labeled each side by whether they think shared spaces are a good thing, it would tell us just as little as pro/anti endo.

All of this applies to endo neutral, too, but endo neutral gets a few extra fun options.

So, hot take:

👏 you 👏 are 👏 allowed 👏 to 👏 be 👏 neutral 👏

An even more important hot take:

Take care of yourself FIRST, always.

Any discourse can be absolute hell on your mental health. This isn't just about syscourse.

For the longest time, the vast majority of people using endo neutral were looking to stay out of syscourse entirely because it was draining on their mental health.

Now, it seems to be more of a slightly anti leaning, I don't know enough label, but many still use it for their mental health. It's impossible to engage in system spaces without syscourse coming up. It's slowly making its way into other communities, completely unrelated to systems-- random game communities, for example.

IMO, syscourse is inescapable in all spaces. It will eventually come up in some capacity.

The neutral label, in my opinion, is the best way to shut down syscourse related topics in inappropriate spaces.

The problem boils down to...

Even that statement can be said to be anti leaning. By allowing the conversation to be shut down, I am... fuck, take your pick. Shutting down endogenic voices, not allowing misinformation to be cleared up, system-phobic. Any number of ridiculous things. There will be SOMEONE who wants to comment, "imagine saying this about trans issues 😤"

For all the talk of mental health safe spaces, we don't make the best attempts at keeping stressful discourse out of it.

Saying that doesn't negate the importance of those topics-- people are struggling daily. It's real.

But we all need downtime, too. Not all of us are capable of constant advocacy and arguments. Some of us are incredibly active in other discourse and our plates are already full.

This also means not policing the use of that label. There are some who use it for... not quite right reasons, but there are more people using it for genuine reasons, and that's more important.

That's got to be the Canadian in me. Our system is built on the premise that a small number of bad eggs misusing the system is worth it for the people who really need it.

TL;dr neutral means a lot of things, but IMO, it's mostly health related, and an important label because of that. Once again, always take care of yourself first and foremost.

[pos-syscourse]

Saturday Songs!

Runs in the Family by Amanda Palmer

TW for discussions of trauma, SH, and unhealthy coping mechanisms, both from the song and in the discussion below. Today's Saturday Songs post is a little more aggressive than normal, and definitely more serious. I still think it's very important for many of you to hear, however. It's a lot less positive, so be warned; I wouldn't read this if you aren't ready for some anger and direct callout tonight.

I've always heard this song as being about DID, or at least, about my specific trauma experiences that led to me developing DID.

So many people in syscourse are individuals with severe trauma. DID systems, OSDD systems, traumatized endogenic systems -- and so many people that making a list is redundant and foolish, and so much overlap, does it matter? We are fucked up.

For as long as I can remember, I have been traumatized. I carry it with me, unable to get rid of it, because my family has hurt me. And I will always carry that. Even with all of my therapy, even with all of my supports and hard work, I will be forever changed, and I will carry the mark of that forever.

The body keeps the score, right?

And it's always been harder with mental illness, these things that hide themselves in me. I can't run from them, but everyone looks at me and they can't see it. It's not written anywhere on me, and some days, I've been so hurt that I've resented that. That I've wanted to hurt myself to make it visible, make it known that I am not well.

And I hate to admit that sometimes, even to myself, but especially to anyone else, because I've been taught to hide. My disorder has been taught to hide. And I just want to run away, like the song says; I want to run and not face any of it, run from the problems these things have caused.

I have hurt people. And I want to just blame my family, blame my trauma, blame it and scream it and burn it all down.

But I can't. This disorder -- this trauma -- is inside of me.

... My therapist said one day, "Trauma is a mess someone else made, but that you have to clean up. And it isn't nice, and it isn't pretty, but it'll stay there until you clean it up."

It's not fair, what's been done to me. It's not fair, what's been done to you. But you cannot run away from it. You have to clean it up. And yes, you will always carry that with you. It's like a stain on the carpet; you can clean it up, you can make it spotless, but you'll always be able to think back to a time when it wasn't spotless, when it was a mess.

And you'll be angry.

And that's a you problem, because you are the one who had to clean it up. And it wasn't fair! And it's cruel and shouldn't have happened!

But if you don't clean it up, it'll stay on the floor, be in the way, and make you angrier and angrier with no direction to put it in... other than on others.

So many people in syscourse are running. When I started syscoursing, I used it as an escape from my current abusive situation. And it felt good. It felt familiar. It was high intensity, high emotion, and I felt right at home, like I was doing something good by getting so mad that I could barely function. And that was a form of me running, because I didn't have to clean the mess. I could just push the anger about the mess onto other people.

So many in syscourse are denying responsibility. "I'm anti-endo because endogenic systems traumatized me." "I'm pro-endo because anti-endos traumatized me." "It was my alter." "I'm traumatized, I reacted poorly, criticizing me is harassing a traumatized person."

You always will be. You will never not be traumatized.

But you can clean that mess. You can heal. You can grow. You'll still be traumatized, but you can help your reactions.

But you cannot help your reactions by running from the problem.

Don't listen to the laws you've heard, you've grown up with, you've made... Don't listen to that voice in your head that tells you, "You're safer if you run." Don't listen to that voice in your head that tells you, "If you acknowledge you made a mistake, you'll be hurt more, you didn't make a mistake because mistakes aren't allowed." These are the laws that told you to run.

Clean it up. Carry it with you, as you will, but clean it up.

Stop pushing it onto everyone else.

[amity-moonrise]

Anytime i wanna talk about something that is either syscourse or reply to a post it constantly feels like I have to double check how I word things because people just take my point in a completely different context and while sometimes it’s something that is important that I miss, other times its just straight up misunderstanding or even twisting my words and no amount of tone tags can prevent it and it frustrates me because it feels like I can’t fucking say anything without someone pointing out something that I either already mentioned in the post, misunderstand and start coming after me for something that I didn’t even claim or intend, or just assume that I am arrogant and that I act like some moral god who dictates morals.

I don’t think I have said this enough so I will say it again for anyone who sees my profile and dislikes me:

If you don’t like me, then just block and move on.

And if you HAVE to reply to my syscourse related posts, PLEASE. USE. TONE TAGS.

From now on I won’t even reply to you or even acknowledge your point if you don’t use tone tags. Because I can’t appropriately reply back without worrying about offending you or feeling like you’re gonna attack me. If you send me an ask, I will delete it. If you reblog, I won’t even respond unless it’s something that is actually triggering me or pissing me off.

Heck, Im gonna try to even turn off reblogs on those posts if I see one post that is countering my argument without using tone tags LIKE I ASK OF EVERYONE

Doesn’t matter if you follow me or not, if you have something important to say to us then use tone tags. And frankly, I don’t really care if you don’t like using tone tags, they’re not for you they’re for our accessibility because WE CANNOT READ TONE VERY WELL. And if you willingly choose to not use them KNOWING that this is a boundary that we have set for all of us (not just me, the host), then Im sorry but I will honestly ignore you or even block you. You can say whatever you want to me, heck you can call me names, slurs, use death threats or argue back in a violent manner, whatever you wanna say to your hearts content, but if there is no tone tag then I will just ignore you and block if I want to.

As for anyone interacting with me on a normal basis (outside of syscourse, not debating/arguing, nit harassing), yall won’t be treated any different from the ones who want to interact with my opinionated posts. I may be more lenient depending on the context and what you say to me, but if I tell you to use tone tags and you don’t listen I will just block. You don’t necessarily have to use tone tags everytime you interact with us if you are not trying to start something with us and just want to engage in a normal conversation, but if something important is gonna be said or smth that can be misinterpreted, use tone tags.

If you’re our closer friends, then yall don’t have to use it as much because we know you enough to know what you mean by something you say, but it is still appreciated if you used them for us.

But anyway, regardless of the circumstances:

If you don’t listen to us when we tell you what our boundaries are then we will just block you or ignore you, regardless of the general context of what you said.

I’m done being lenient, especially when i have it highlighted in my pinned to use tone tags and absolutely no one uses them. If you don’t know what tone tags are, you can google it, theres lists and definitions of what each tag means and how to appropriately use them.

If you ask nicely I might even explain it myself, but only if someone actually asks us because we only have so much time and energy nowadays to even post.

Entire post is /srs /npa /nh (for those who don’t know what they mean in order —> serious, not passive aggressive, not hostile)

[the-crystal-femmes]

OKAY, mutuals listen up, this is important

I do not care if you are pro-endo or anti-endo, however if you call them mentally ill, harass them by any means or go out of your way to insult endos just because you're anti-endo, DNI.

If you are anti-good faith labels, and this INCLUDES mspec lesbians, gays multigender indvidviuals, and lesboys, DNI.

If you harass ANYONE because you believe they are making shit up, DNI.

I'm not tolerating you any longer. I'm sick of your shit. I see it constantly from my OWN mutuals and it's disturbing.

Stay in your own fucking lane. Stop fake claiming others you don't know shit about, touch grass. I don't care for queer discourse, I don't care for syscourse (not that I should meddle any way, but I'm tired of seeing this shit)

[griancraft]

Hello, would you like to expand on the DID being treated similarly to Autism and ADHD by tiktok and tumblr?

Hi this is already getting long and I wanna post this as soon as possible so people who want to see it will see it. This is written on like 3 hours of sleep after a 8 hour shift and it took me 3 HOURS because I am so fucking out of it ask for clarification before getting upset if something is wrong.

I also want to preface this with the fact I am an advocate for healthy multiplicity. I’ve written essays for classes on non monogamy and DID. I’ve written about how identifying as separate but whole has been the best way to heal for ME. I am in no way saying that the way professionals talk about us is a complete picture. Our history is important and self advocacy is important and I think both disordered and non disordered advocacy should be taken seriously.

In the context of the disorder of DID, which is characterized specifically by distress and impairment, talking about it as a disorder is really fucking important. If you’re interested in the history of non disordered systems Sai’s card is absolutely incredible and I really really think it’s important to read. This is not a “syscourse” post or whatever, this all existed before the internet. I feel like discoursing over wether what real people experience is real is stupid because you’re never going to get into their brain.

Much of our history is self recorded because professionals for so long treated us like we were unable to understand our situation and unable to advocate for ourselves. All of these are reputable and sourced with great care by someone I trust.

https://plural.neocities.org

Alright preface over or whatever uh. Here we go.

While the DID community is much smaller than the ADHD/Autistic community, the issue of “well, I can do that, why can’t you?” is very present in a LOT of spaces. There are many similarities in how our “weirdnesses” is perceived outwardly by society. Some things are very very similar such as us being “off putting” and a lot of us being disabled to the point where we are unable to work a job. So, so much is similar in how society views us because there are so many crossover symptoms. But in terms of different experiences I’ve had people say it’s weird that I seem to switch between “emotional states” so quickly, that it’s weird how my voice changes pitch and my stims are different, that its “weird” when I switch to certain alters (my ex said this to his face btw) because they act so differently from me, I often feel the discomfort from certain friends when an alter introduces themselves with their own name. Some of these were said by systems, too!

We find it difficult to identify switches and tell who is fronting, sometimes we can’t tell until I (the host) am back in the front and things are disorienting. There is a massive push to CONSTANTLY be able to identify who’s fronting to other people.

I’ve noticed that a lot of what I experience isn’t in line with what people talk about on tumblr and TikTok and I struggled with that for awhile. Despite having the closest thing I can have to a diagnosis at this point, and doing what I can to read the literature. I do not know who is fronting if it is not me most of the time and identifying who can actually put a lot of strain on us. Sometimes we are distinct enough to tell, but not always. Many people I know also experience this.

Tools like pluralkit and simplyplural are great, but I’ve heard so many stories of singlets and even other systems feeling “lied to” when someone doesn’t identify who is fronting. For a very very long time we felt a lot of pressure to constantly be able to identify who is in the front. This is a symptom that is kinda supposed to happen though, you are dissociating from yourself.

I also think a lot of other systems find littles, animals alters, and fictives/factives cringe/weird and feel very self righteous in bullying them because of it especially if they are “normal” systems.

Littles are “weird” because it’s a child alter in a usually adult body. It’s “weird” that an adult is acting like a kid. DID is a dissociative disorder with the cause being linked to childhood trauma. An alter may form as a child as a result of said trauma. Animal alters are “weird” because it is abnormal to see people acting like animals and the (often) non speaking aspect of this isn’t taken seriously. Again, DID is linked to childhood abuse, if a child with DID was treated like an animal by their abusers they are probably going to form an animal alter.

Fictives and factives are more complex because it’s so often used as an indicator that people are faking because it’s “weird”. This is silly. I’m just going to repost something I’ve already wrote on it because I think explaining it again would make me loose my actual fucking mind.

“Things like “if I were this character I wouldn’t be in this situation” and “this character would take care of me, they wouldn’t hurt me” and “if I was this character I would be strong enough to survive” are all things I’ve thought of as probable reasons and I’ve heard similar from others too!

Also, it is a LOT easier to make something from a blueprint/template than create something entirely new in anything. I don’t see why that would be different in the brain especially if one is going through a lot already. Normal alters pull from our experiences already so it’s kinda just a more extreme version of that imo!”

And what you need to understand about living with DID is that it’s fucking weird. It will be weird. Systems aren’t any more “normal” if they don’t experience weird symptoms.

I think the “tee hee alters in my head” talk is SOMETIMES overwhelming discussions of what it is like to live day to day with the disorder. There are days when there is very little internal communication within us, and many people I know do not have any internal communication at all.

The idea that alters are separate people and not ‘parts of a whole’ is something I’ve seen people very defensive on. while I like. Get this sentiment, and it can be very very invalidating to be told this. But it’s not really consistent with the literature and if you want to treat your plurality like DID you have to at least consider parts language IMO. Modern papers in my experience do affirm the individual identities of alters while still using parts language. This is very good in my opinion because it not only validates the lived experiences of someone with DID but also stays on the track of treating the disorder in one way or another.

There are severe and dangerous symptoms related to DID that are NOT talked about enough. There are comorbidities that are not talked about at all that I like, only found out about from scouring papers. But I do not want to get into that until I have at least. A week to recover from finals dear FUCK.