#mixed origin system

[chronicallyleggless]

System origin blinkies!! (full pack)

ABSOLUTELY NO SYSCORSE!!

[thecondemnedcollabrative]

!!!

Even though we have DID....

WE'RE HAPPY TO BE A SYSTEM.

The system is why we are alive today.

If it didn't exist we probably wouldn't exist now.

If we could get rid of the DID, we'd still keep our headmates, because we're used to this. It saved our life.

Collectively, we know we have no desire whatsoever to ever be a singlet.

Singlet is not our normal, it never will be.

Reblog if you agree!

[forestedlot]

willing a new member of our system into existence as a way to stand in solidarity with willogenic systems in light of all the sysmeds crying about willows on my page 👍💛

[d33pwaterabyss]

Me: *makes an oc*

The Brain: is for me?? new member for me?? 🥺🥺🥺

[dreamers-collective]

Reminder that you can wholeheartedly love your system and sysmates and still have days where you feel tired of being a system. Sometimes being a system makes hard days easier, but sometimes it makes them harder, and that’s okay too.

[brightside-brigade]

Non distinct switching is strange. We don't switch often. But when we do, half the time it's not noticed instantly and there'll be a moment when it's like "Hey wait a minute, I'm not the other guy!"

[felixcosm]

Some pro-endo reminders 💟 Free to use/steal!

[noxsynpositivity]

All systems are valid.

Maybe you formed from trauma, or maybe you formed for a reason other than trauma.

Some of us have disorders, while some of us do not.

Some people willed their system into existence, and some have been plural for as long as they can remember.

We're all experiencing life as more than one.

What we call our headmates/alters/parts/sysmates is up to us.

We can view ourselves as more than one person.

There are no rules on how to live as a system.

[sysblr-system-surveys]

After 339 total participants I've put together the initial google charts!

Let's take a look at how the wider system community responded:

DEMOGRAPHICS

Age:

13-17 : 34.8% 18-29 : 61.7% 30+ : 3.5%

Where are you from?:

North America: 75% South America: 1.2% Africa: .6% Europe: 16% Asia: 1.8% Oceania: 5.4%

Which best describes you?:

Endogenic: 7.1% Mixed Origin: 24.5% Self Dx/Suspecting DID/OSDD: 28.9% Dx DID/OSDD: 33.6% Current/Former Malingering or "Faking" : 5.9%

SYSTEM DISCOVERY AND EXPERIENCE

Which did you learn about/engage with first?:

Endo and/or Plural communities: 26% CDD and/or trauma based communities: 60.2% Other/write ins: 13.8%

How did you discover your system?:

Had alters as long as I can remember: 15.9% Searching for explanations of my symptoms/experiences: 53.7% Symptoms/experiences began after discovering system communities/reading research: 26.5% Created my system by choice: 3.8%

How large is your system?:

Unsure, hard to identify: 20.6% 2-10: 22.7% 11-20: 13.3% 21-29: 6.8% 30+: 15.6% 100+: 14.5% Unsure, too many to count: 6.5%

How does your system present?:

Covert: 83.5% Overt: 16.5%

How do you view your system?:

Parts to a whole: 45.4% Collection of individuals: 54.6%

How do you feel about being a system?:

Positive, coping mechanism/provides company/ect: 41% Neutral, dont give much thought to it: 34.5% Negative, hinders functioning/isolating/ect: 24.5%

SYSCOURSE STANCE

Do you think Syscourse has become too toxic?:

Yes: 90.6% No: 9.4%

Do you feel you belong/welcomed to online communities?:

Yes: 56.7% No: 43.3%

Opinion/stance on endogenic systems:

Pro: 51% Neutral: 20.1% Anti: 28.9%

Opinion/stance on traumagenic systems:

Pro: 86.4% Neutral: 13% Anti: .6%

Do you believe someone can choose to create a system or alters at any point in life?

Yes: 53.7% No: 46.3%

WOW. over 300 participants is insane! thank you so much to each and everyone of you who participated and for sticking through the multiple delays.

the goal of this project has always been to peek inside of the larger system community and what thoughts/feelings/impressions are across communities.

I hope with Survey 2 we can reach even more people and expand on questions to keep learning about the broader system community without falling into syscorse echo chambers at times.

As always, Askbox is open for suggestions on Survey 2. Asks wont be posted, i just collect them there for an easy place to refer to.

you guys rock!

[pluralhottakes]

It is okay to have a hard time with having DID. It's ok to be unhappy with being a system.

What's NOT OKAY is fakeclaiming/getting mad at/attacking systems who are happy online.

Not everyone wants to focus on things that make them miserable.

Quit making happy systems get fakeclaimed because you're miserable.

[thecovenofcrows]

TW: vent

"We love you"

No,

No, you really don't,

You don't love us,

You love "Them",

But they don't exist,

But you don't love us,

You love the person we pretend to be,

Not the people we are.

[d33pwaterabyss]

when you're plural, every game is multiplayer!

[forget-meabh-not]

“This [BLANK] hates syscourse” userboxes !

these are pretty self indulgent :D!

emoji by @ghosting-emojis

requests are open !!

[pluralqqueers]

Having an alter who is the comeplete opposite of you is so strange cause its:

"they say dnt uze plurlkt unlss ur a weal systm :( do we count ?-"

"LETS GO FINISH MAKING EVERYONES PLURALKIT PROFILE!!"

"wh-" "NOW!!!"

[syllvarin]

Non-traumagenic plurality: How could it be possible?

First off, let's start with what some anti-endo folk mean versus what they don't mean with traumagenic plurality

They mean systems caused by/as a response to trauma and traumatic events, and those who are still affetced by them, aka systems who are disordered, DID/OSDD/UDD.

What they don't mean is systems who have trauma in their origin along with other causes. They do not believe a system can very well be traumagenic but function smoothlessly due to recovering, or have multiple origins.

Note: We are a diagnosed DID system with mixed (trauma/ramcoa/neuro/para) origins. Yes, we know what we are talking about. No, that doesn't mean we can't do mistakes, but we will try our best to be as accurate as possible. We will include scientific articles, DSM-5 DID checklist, and many more in this post.

How can that be possible?

1st: Brains are quite complicated. Research on brain functions is far from being complete, it is a long road that we are still at the very beginning of. We still don't know how brain exactly works let alone how it can form seperate conscious identities and work them together. We do know headmates exist based on brain MRI's ( link here ) That proves us that systems indeed, exist.

2nd point i want to make is that science is not done in a linear fashion. We are studying to be neuroscientists ourselves and the very core of what makes science doable is MONEY. Yes, in this capitalist system even the most seemingly basic research requires funding, money, and a goal that can be monetized to get done. Reseaches on female autonomy, rare disorders and "demonized" disorders such as DID is therefore not often as it is not easily capitalized and funded.

Therefore we do not have enough research to prove or disprove that the only way of becoming a system is through childhood.

And that brings me to my 3rd point, where we will take a look at what DSM-5 (The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition) says about diagnostic crietria of DID. We will see how it is a dissocative disorder, not a trauma disorder.

Found under dissociative disorders (not trauma disorders!), checklist for DID is as follows:

See how none of those checklist include trauma as checklist? Yes DID is commonly caused by trauma but not always. Yes it commonly is created during childhood but not always. Those arent in diagnostic criteria.

Definitive feature is not trauma, it is distinct personality states or experience of possession.

DID is associated with traumatic events, does not mean it requires it.

DID can manifest at almost any age (DSM-5 is saying that, folks)

What's more is OSDD doesnt even have a definitive checklist like DID. it is found under differential diagnosis, with other disorders. PDID (partial DID where one part is frontstuck a majority of the time) is also up to psychiatrist's evaluation rather than a concrete checklist.

4th point is : What about Structural Dissociaton Theory?

This theory is as it goes: The theory of Structural Dissociation works off of the assumption that everyone is born with different ego states that later merge in life. Those different ego states operate for different actions in life, that later integrate into one person during ages of 4-6. Trauma disrupts that integration and causes ANP (apparently normal parts) and EP (Emotional parts). EP's are stuck in the trauma while ANP's are not.

source: The Haunted Self: Structural Dissociation and the Treatment of Chronic Traumatization" by Onno van der Hart, Ellert Nijenhuis, and Kathy Steele. 

Yes, theory. Theories are not concrete. They can be disapproved, they can change, they may not fit every experience. Structural dissociation only explains how DID can manifest at childhood, but we already know by now that DID can manifest at almost any age.

So I personally think basing everything on a theory about how DID might've been caused (which doesn't even perfectly explain every possible way) is not as fault-proof as one might think it is.

Point 5: experiences of "multiple identities" exist for so long into history (people who are possessed, talk to themselves, act weird at times, are very different at times, etc), way before any DID/OSDD terms were created. And actually, how can we know how many people in history have had this experience when the very society we are in is very scared of them? It is fair to say only the disruptive cases must've been noticed, and majority of them probably were either deemed as crazy or exorcised as they believed those people were possessed by spirits. Just because your experience does not fit with others and just because science hasnt done anything to back them up, doesn't mean people's lived experiences are false. Why would so many people tell that they are a system when they are not? We are not living in a place where being a system is happy or fun, we are not in a society where its profitable or anything. It literally gives a person zero + points for being plural if they arent. It would be a nonstop roleplay they have to keep up throughout every aspect of their life; and at that point, it must be either impossible or that person is already plural and not roleplaying when no one is looking at them.

Creating headmates is on the same basket. A person with DID can create headmates in blink of an eye (we know from oursleves) sometimes splitting threshold is so low you may split off multiple people at once. You cannot know what is going in a person's mind, and what mechanisms work for creating a headmate. If they claim they did, it is very much no chance they are faking being different people 24/7. It *is* a real chance that they actually did develop a headmate. If you do not believe them; ask them about their experiences. I am %100 positive that if you actually listen to them, you will see those people are only trying to live their life.

Also, if you think healthy systems cannot exist and only way to be a system is through dissociation and dysfunction; then why would DID systems try to heal anyway? Wouldn't that just be sanist and ableist to expect all of them to turn into singlets because healthy multiplicity isnt a thing?But no, it is a thing, and healthy multiplicity and recovery is possible for systems. DID and other disordered forms of plurality do indeed exist, and they are indeed, treatabe in multiple ways according to what a person feels comfortable with. That is also a system's right to heal however they please. They don't owe anyone their right to stay as plural or become a singlet.

6th point I want to make is about: Why do we even care?

If a person says they have multiple people in their head, why do we care and tell them they are faking? They are not claiming to have a diagnosis, even if they did; if their situation is causing a distress to them, then they ARE diagnosable and that therefore is none of our business, again.

Last point I want to make is how endogenic DID is possible. yes, possible. remember how trauma is not in diagnostic criteria and DID can happen at any age? If endogenic plurals can happen, they can also form DID at later in life. They can also become disordered due to an event in their life. They can lose harmony and become so dysfunctional they need professional help. That doesn't mean they are no longer endogenic or some other origin, that simply means their state is different than what it was and they need help.

End of our post. Thank you for reading.

[felixcosm]

"Endogenics aren't like us!" And? Why does that matter? Do you make fun of lilacs for not being roses? Do you mock diamonds for not being like pearls? Do you also viciously attack dogs for not being cats?

The syscommunity is literally so full of variety and differing experiences, why do you have to destroy everyone who doesn't look or act like you to feel special?