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our-agabpunk-experience-2 · 6 days ago

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Being transgender is more than just "not identifying with your AGAB."

^This definition is very limiting, and has little room for intersex perspectives. In fact, it also doesn't align with many perisex non-binary/genderqueer experiences (Example: Perisex multigender people who fully identify with their assigned gender, while simultaneously aligning with other genders.)

And sure, some intersex people have a consistent assigned gender, depending on their variation, and how it affects their body. But many intersex people have a COMPLICATED experience with how they were assigned and viewed growing up.

Intersex people can be given a coercively assigned gender at birth (CAGAB), which may not align with their future puberty, or how they are viewed socially. [Example: A person born with ambiguous genitalia, who is given unneeded non-consensual surgery to make the genitalia more "binary", and assigns a gender based on that non-consensual procedure.]

Intersex people can be given an assigned gender at birth, but a reassigned gender after birth (RGAB.) [Example: An AMAB intersex person, born with a penis/penis-like genitalia, however later they are discovered to have more "feminine" physically traits, and are reassigned female and raised female because because its "easier" or "more fitting"]

Intersex people can be given a socially imposed gender (SIG) [Example: A person who is "female" in every way, but during puberty is discovered to have hyperandrogenism, and develops a more masculine-associated body because of it - oftentimes, that person will be mistaken as a male by society, or treated as AMAB by those around them.] Some people even experience multiple SIGs at the same time, depending on the scenario [Example: being expected to behave as 'male' by some people, and 'female' by others, depending on how they are dressed or what events they attend.]

Are you going to tell someone who was given a CAGAB the opinion of the doctor who mutilated them is more important than theirs? That a person who was CAMAB, but originally had a vulva, that they cannot identify as transmasculine?

Are you going to tell someone who was AFAB, but RMAB that they can't identify as a trans-woman because of their "original assignment", which is no longer relevant to how they were raised?

Or, on the flip side - are you going to tell someone who was AMAB, but treated as 'female' from their SIG, that they can't identify as transfem, because even though they are AMAB, they weren't "treated as AMAB"?

And what about intersex trans people who were AXAB (assigned X at birth?) What about people who were UAB (unassigned at birth?) Are you going to deny or affirm their transness based on your view of them?

Transgender and cisgender aren't mutually exclusive terms.

Personally, we think transgender should be defined as "people who identify against [eurocentric] historically-imposed expectations of gender."

#anti agab

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our-agabpunk-experience-2 · 7 days ago

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hiii! anon who asked about the xeno/neo-agab thingy! too anxious to reblog and respond but thank you for your response, i appreciate it a lot! your input was still very valuable, it was still reassuring so thank you so much again :3

Glad to be of service! :)

#agabpunk #agab non conforming #anc #neo agab #neoagab #xeno agab #xenoagab

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our-agabpunk-experience-2 · 7 days ago

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Thank you for your input!

The reason you use them makes sense to me personally. I also believe in the abolition of birth assignment, but that that will take time.

I do think it needs to be treated with respect, but that good faith use is 100% possible. Especially since anon seems to be intersex themself.

apologies if this is silly or has a well known answer, but this is something i want to ask someone without feeling like i'm gonna INSTANTLY be killed (/silly but also genuine), i'm just super anxious about it and am really scared of doing anything wrong or being offensive or anything

so before asking, i want to give a long explanation (sorry 😭). i was assigned female at birth, but i am likely intersex considering a bunch of symptoms of hyperandrogenism i have and the fact my mother has an intersex condition that causes hyperandrogenism that could possibly have passed down to me (i will be seeing a doctor to talk about this in a couple weeks too), and i feel like not only does afab not describe me but it also puts down my entire experience as a child. long story short, i was bullied for my masculine features and then pushed out and treated like a boy because of them.

the label of being afab just doesn't make sense to me in my personal experience because even if i was assigned female and have "female parts", i was never treated as female, and never really felt i was female in the sense of it being my actual sex since a young age, i didn't really feel like i was assigned correctly since almost everyone around me treated me as if i wasn't a girl.

so here's the actual question; is this a perfectly valid reason to use xeno/neo-agabs? again might be silly to ask this (usually i try to think by "it's in good faith and it's the best label i have, i should do whatever i want") but i'm really anxious about this in particular considering a lot of people around me i've seen and asked seem to have issue with neo-agabs.

thank you for even bothering to read this to the end, i really appreciate it, thank you thank you thank you!!!

I know that neoAGABs and xenoAGABs are very controversial in the community, and that there’s a lot of discourse about them. I’ve been nervous posting about them too much because the first time I ran this blog, I attracted a lot of negative attention for supporting their use. I don’t use them myself, so I’m not an expert on them either.

I personally think it would be a completely good-faith use of them to use them to reclaim your personal experience and reframe it in a way that makes sense to you. I don’t believe that I should be able to tell you what to do. And if you’re drawn to neoAGABs and xenoAGABs, you should be able to use them.

But input by someone who actually uses them might be more valuable.

#neo agab

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