#anti adrinette

[kathrahender]

One of the things I dislike most about fandoms is the hypocrisy of their fans. And this is about ships again, yes (it's about characters too ngl).

Every anti-Bakudeku/Catradora fan says things like "How can you ship couples like these? It's so abusive! It's disgusting! Catra/Bakugo were so mean towards Adora/Izuku! Catradora/Bakudeku is so toxic and you shouldn't like it!" and then, when talking about Hiccstrid people always love them together. Even if Astrid was also a bully to Hiccup. Even if her development was null (don't say she had development, her "redemption" arc was shit and she needed more time in screen and more scenes between her and Hiccup to change from "I hate all the dragons" to "I was wrong about them". And one scene with an OST called "Romantic Flight" is not enough to make her redemption believable). Talking about development, do I really have to say that you hate Catradora/Bakudeku, but at least Catra and Bakugo apologized to Adora and Izuku? Astrid didn't say sorry to Hiccup for bullying him/hurting him. And you should be aware of that.

Bakugo and Catra didn't redeem in one day, they didn't get up one day and decided to be nicer. No, they had to work in their redemption and they also had to work in their relationship with the people they hurt (Izuku and Adora). Astrid didn't do that. All she needed to change was flying in a dragon with the person she used to hate.

Having all of that in mind, tell me, which relationship would be more healthy, logical and believable? The ones where the bully had to work hard to make amends for their mistakes, to heal their scars to make it better for the MC? The ones where the bully apologized to their victim, to the people they hurt? Or the one where all it took to change from "I hate you so much" to "I like you" was one scene, and they didn't even apologize for being a bully/being a bad person? Think about that.

And think about another thing too. A girl hurting a boy is bad. "But she-" No. "But she's not being cruel and she-" Enough. Don't fucking justify female-on-male violence. Violence is violence. If you hate Bakugo/Catra so much for hurting Izuku/Adora, then treat Astrid the same way, because she was not an angel before changing. She's not innocent. She was a bully too. And if you despise Bakugo/Catra's past actions, despise Astrid's past actions too.

Where I also saw Double Standard in media is in shows where there's a female character stalking a male character. Two examples that come to my mind right now are Hinata Hyuga from Naruto and Marinette Dupain-Cheng from Miraculous Ladybug.

The thing about them is that a lot of people love them. A lot of people love a female character stalking a male character. Dear God, Marinette learned the daily schedule of Adrien, and she even traveled to another country for him. Because she couldn't bear thinking he was in another country where she couldn't see what was he doing. That's not freaking normal, you guys. "She was a girl" "She didn't know what was she doing" "She's just in love". Excuse me- What. the. hell. Okay. So you're saying you're okay with a girl being so jealous that everytime her "crush" talks to a girl she needs to be around. You're okay with a girl entering her crush's house without permission (Do you know that's a crime, right?). You're okay with a girl having her bedroom full of photos of her crush (and I'm not talking about a fictional character from a show she likes. I'm talking about a real person. Because in Miraculous Ladybug's world, Adrien is Marinette's classmate, not a character from a show). I'm sorry, but if you think that's okay, there's something wrong with you. People can like someone and have a crush, sure, but what she has is an obsession. What she's doing is not normal. (And she can do that in the show, after all she's a character, but don't act like she's a nice person and an innocent person because she isn't. And definitely don't see her actions as a normal thing).

People, please, don't think what she's doing is "iconic" or something like that. If you're watching this show, please, don't do the same as her with your crush because is awful and disgusting. She's not "cute" for doing this. She has a problem, I'm being serious.

If she had a better love story with Adrien, like she did in the movie, I would understand the Adrinette ship because in the new movie it's just beautiful and wholesome and it's actually healthy. But when it comes to the show, the Adrinette ship can't be nothing more than toxic. So stop acting like Marinette's actions towards Adrien are okay (Yes, Adrien's actions towards Ladybug weren't okay neither, but this post is about female characters).

What Hinata Hyuga did -in comparison with Marinette- is not that bad, but even then, following her crush (Naruto Uzumaki) everytime he's with his friends/classmates is not nice. It's not cute. It's not something people should do. And the Naruhina ship honestly makes no sense. Okay, I get it. It's the type of romance we all want to have. We all want our crush to fall in love with us. We all want to have a relationship with the person we used to have a crush on. But if you want to include that trope if your story, if you want them to end up together in a show/book/movie, give them development. The ship has to feel natural.

We have to feel/see the chemitry. And I saw (and still see) no chemistry between Naruto and Hinata. Sasunaru, on the other hand, has a lot of emotional moments together and moments when they bond (their chemistry is right there). And it's not for my own preference, but they would have made a better couple. Mostly because they shared more screen time with each other. Even though Shikanaru and Gaanaru are also good options for a canon ship. Because they also had chemistry. But Naruto's love for Hinata in my opinion didn't feel natural. It was forced.

After all of this, let me say something more. You probably don't care about a girl stalking a boy in fiction. You're probably like "She's not doing anything wrong" "She's a teenager" "Stop being judgmental, she's a good character" "She's a nice person". If what they do it's okay for you, let me ask you a question. What if their gender was reversed? Yeah. Imagine if Marinette and Hinata weren't girls. Imagine if they were boys. Imagine if a boy went to another country to control the actions of another girl. Imagine if a boy entered his crush's house without permission. Imagine if a boy stalked the girl he likes to see if she's talking to another boys. Imagine if a boy had pictures of the girl he likes in his bedroom. What would you think then? Oh- You would think it's disgusting? It would be disgusting for you, right? Why? Because it's a boy?

People, have this in mind:

👏👏👏 If a boy does something bad and a girl does the same thing they both need to be treated the same way 👏👏👏

A girl hitting a boy isn't funny. It shouldn't be played for fun. As well as a boy hitting a girl. Neither of them is funny. And neither of them can be justified.

A girl stalking a boy isn't funny. As well as a boy stalking a girl. Neither of them is funny. And neither of them can be justified.

That's why I ask you to stop being two-faced. If you despise someone's actions, you despise someone's actions, whether it is a boy or a girl. You want equality? Then fucking stop with the double standard.

A bad action is a bad action, no matter who makes it. Period.

[stanlunter]

"Adrian and Kagami broke up bc Kagami didn't like silly Adrian, his real personality!"

Litterally Kagami with Adrian:

They really had to turn Kagami into ooc and destroy all her development only to make Adrinette canon, while ladybug/marinette was litterally the one who hated Chat Noire being silly and unserious

[moneeko]

Adrienette biggest problem

Hey everyone, we all know the Miraculous series. I have many problems but what is the biggest problem? Shipping Adrienette.

And I know it's full of problems like Marinette's character, and writing problems is its but why all the problems are connected by this ship?

The creator himself tweeted that Marinette will be Canon.

Looking at the show's release production charts (while season 2 was on the air)

6 years have passed since that post! And during this time he showed how this ship and the series have problems. Instead of gradually developing their relationship from friends to love, possibly rivals to love. They didn't make Marinette a stalker who knows the whole plan (for 30 years) Adrien and Adrien realized out of the ass that he loves Marinette when he called her friend. And the rest of the characters? Marinette's entire class (not counting Lila and Chloe) has nothing else to do (or exist) to try to get them together. I understand it's a cartoon but why does everyone want them to be a couple? Why?! Do they have other problems or hobbies? Alya's character has been demoted from ladybug fan and blogger (I like to call her reporter) to matchmaker… Seriously, instead of helping or supporting your friend when you know she's a superhero you want her to be with a dude… Seriously.

Everything has been bundled for shipping�� And honestly, my opinion shouldn't be together. And the creator's post should be treated as a joke (red herring). And when Luka and Kagami were introduced, I hoped that our characters would develop emotionally with their halves (these were the days when Chloe was believed to have a redemption bow)

Personally, I hate ships/Idol x fan relationships and that's why I didn't like Adrienette and Ladrien. And watching their relationship and dynamic become meh with every season. Despite the square of love, I definitely love Marichat and Ladychat where there is no full moon with champagne (let's remember the juice of May after 14 years..) with rose flowers. Not small interactions, conversations, support, etc love it! However, it won't pass. because of how these ships have been treated since Season 4 and especially Season 5… Especially Ladychat where she became Adrienette… why.

Coming back, I think Lukanette and Adrigami would make more sense than Adrienette. Their dynamic has become so enjoyable to watch and it's more realistic that I'm looking for people who are like us/interests.

However, how they were treated in one episode since they officially became a couple and broke up. And the new york special episode, despite Adrien's official relationship with Kagami at that time, and Marinette with Luka, the creators, and characters tried to make Adrien and Marinette become a couple. And I have one word

And honestly how do you take this ship seriously when they force you too much?

[pokenoire]

Sorry but I think Adrienette is mid

Ironic because they have many similarities with my OTP in Pokemon, for me they are just friends

No disrespect to shippers obviously, I'm just very neutral or I hate their scenes, there's no middle ground...

Of course I changed my mind, I was like most people about this ship, Marinette's obsession with Adrien ruined the ship. Even though the show pushes and improves their narrative in parts, it just doesn't go down well with me.

I was rewatching Session 1 and I'm just more certain that I only like them in fanworks or headcanons

[inimoo]

marinette as cat blanc sketch 🕺

[mfshipbracket]

[andraedevane]

Miraculous Ladybug

I find funny how a person said: "Miraculous Ladybug show is what you needed. Miraculous Ladybug movie is what you wanted" or something like that. Because that's actually not true. Not at all. Miraculous Movie is what we wanted and what we needed. And Miraculous Movie is so so much better than Miraculous Show.

Do you want proof? I have them.

Movie Adrinette/Ladynoir is not toxic unlike show Adrinette/Ladynoir.

Movie Marinette is an awkward girl who has a normal crush, unlike Show Marinette who has an obsession for Adrien. Oh, and in the movie she can talk to Adrien and she isn't a stalker.

Movie Gabriel is a bad father, but at least he cares about his son and stops fighting him when he discovers he is Chat Noir, unlike Show Gabriel. And he actually loves Adrien and wants him to be happy (after all, he wanted to bring Emilie back mostly because his son was suffering).

Movie Chloé is a normal bully girl, unlike Show Chloé who is a terrible person with a terrible writing who should have been redeemed. But instead Show Chloé was treated like a irredeemable monster.

Movie gave us in an hour and 42 minutes what the show couldn't give us in 5 seasons with 24 episodes and 3 specials. They revealed their secret identities. And for some reason, show can't give us the same thing.

So people, please please don't say Miraculous Show it's better than the movie. Because it isn't.

This is just my opinion, I'm not forcing anyone to think like me, sorry if someone understood that.

[miraculousdeservesbetter2024]

I can’t believe Kagami confessed her love to both Adrien and Marinette at the same time.

[dizzying-faust]

"Marinette shouldn't be dating Adrien because Adrien's issues would drag her down"

By your logic...

She shouldn't be dating Luka because he has his issues regarding Jagged being his dad.

She shouldn't be dating Kagami because she has her own issues regarding her mother.

She shouldn't be dating Chloe because she also has her own issues regarding her mother.

She shouldn't be dating Felix because he also has his own issues regarding his father.

Hell, Marinette shouldn't be in relationship herself because of her own issues relating to being bullied, insecurities and struggling to be the Guardian.

Where's your argument against those ships?

[ofsavior]

the fact that Adrien was about to Cataclysm an innocent person because that person hurt Marinette… I know a lot of people see this as romantic? but like… this just goes to show how Marinette and Adrien bring out the worst in each other.

[kathrahender]

If I had to choose a ship of the Love Square, the only acceptable ship for me is Marichat (mostly because both, Marinette and Adrien, are their true self). Don't try to change my mind, you won't be able to do it.

[princess-of-the-corner]

Ok but the Lila-Chloe evil girlfriend shenanigans seems like it would have been a great idea for like, if Chloe was actually never supposed to get a redemption arc, so instead of writing and aborting one partway through they have her team up with Lila as early as S2 (Lila wouldn't drop of the face of the earth for a full season here) and the two become basically an anti-Adrinette, both a foil and a set of antagonists who purely stick to being high school bullies and never get entangled in hero stuff out side of occasionally getting Akumatized/targeted by Akumas they upset, while Hawkmoth and Mayura in turn become the same type of foils to Ladynoir, and also stay in their lanes as the supervillain antagonists

YEah exactly!!!

[anxresi]

GOD am I sick of this. (Watch Out, MAJOR Rant Ahead)

Why do Chloe haters (nearly) ALWAYS insist on using this tired old line to ‘win’ an argument?!

No-one (at least anyone I’M paying attention to) is saying Chloe should get away with her bullying because of her shitty parents.

We’re saying poor Chloe has been a victim of character assassination, sabotage, purposeful vandalism, ruination etc by the very person who created her! No... not her fictional dad or mom... but a certain real-life Frenchman by the name of Mr Thomas Astruc.

If you want a somewhat over-exaggerated parallel, it would be like Da Vinci painting a moustache on the Mona Lisa, Michaelangelo chopping David’s ‘bits’ off or Geppetto making Pinocchio into firewood (I say this because there’s been TWO movies about the lying puppet in the last year. Hint: don’t watch the Disney one).

It’s like... I can’t even debate these people, because they haven’t just got the wrong end of the stick, we’re not even in the same forest!

My point is to those somewhat disingenuous individuals, and let me be VERY blunt here, because I ain’t repeating myself... (clears throat): 

Chloe’s Character Writing Has Been The Worst I’ve Ever Seen In A Professional Cartoon Show. The Fact They Utterly Destroyed One Of The Few People In Miraculous With Any Potential For Serious Development For Growth And Basically Replaced Her With Another Girl Who’s Just As Blandly ‘Perfect’ As Most Of The Other Females Demonstrates How Utterly Lacking In Ambition, Creativity And Talent The Makers Truly Are. (As If The Glaring Lack Of Other Positive Attributes To The Show Isn’t Evidence Enough) The Only Reason You Use A Completely Manufactured And Different Scenario Than The Case I Put Forward As Your Lone Defence Proves You KNOW I’m 100% Right. THAT’S Why So Many People Are Defending Her... Not Because They Think She Should Get Away With Her Progressively More Ridiculous Misdemeanors Inserted Into The Scripts To Convince The Audience To Hate Her More And More, But Because We Recognize The Less-Than-Subtle Route The Writers Have Taken In The Last Few Seasons To DESTROY Her Character, Her Role, Her Agency And Any Hidden Depths Or Layers She Might Have. This Is A Girl Who LOVED Her Daddy, (Occasionally) Valued Her Best Friend, Adored Adrikins, Confessed How Inadequate She Felt In Front Of Her Idol Ladybug, Made A Heartfelt Apology To Her Teacher In An Emotional Hug (It Made Me Cry :,/ ), Made REAL STRIDES With Her Behavior In terms Of Being More Independent Towards The End Of S2, Had An Intriguing Relationship With Her Favorite Stuffed Bear Which Acted As Her Conscience, Was Setting Herself Up To Be An Efficient Anti-Hero With Questionable Loyalties... And All This Fascinating Narrative Was Left To ROT In Favor Of Turning Her Into The Most Boringly Generic Baddie In The Entire History Of The Show. WELL DONE, EVERYONE. Then To Add Insult To Injury, They Claim This Was The Plan All Along And Her Rapid Deterioration Into A Teenage Psycho From A Standard School Bully Is Some Kind Of Bizarre Statement On ‘How Some People Can Never Change’ Rather Than The Obnoxiously Terrible Piece Of Hackneyed Writing It Actually Was. Damnation Arc? A Fancy Title For Utter Bullsh*t That’s An Insult To Miraculous Ladybug Fans’ Intelligence Everywhere, I Say. I Don’t Know About You Guys, But I Feel Cheated, Swindled, Bamboozled... You Name It, Or Just Thorughly P*ssed Off Should Suffice. Want Some Evidence For My Claims? Okay, Here Goes: Get Comfortable... Removing ALL Of Chloe’s Positive Traits And Redemptive Moments Overnight After S3. Pretending They Never Existed Or Happened In The First Place. Turning Her Into A Villainous One-Dimensional Sociopathic Object Of Ridicule. Giving Us Zoe Who’s Goodie-Two-Shoes Non-Personality Is No Substitute Whatsoever For The True Queen. Cynically Producing AN ENTIRE EPISODE in S5 For The Sake Of Retroactively Making CHLOE Solely Responsible For Adrinette Not Happening Sooner. (Thus Purposefully Exposing Her To More Vitriol From Obsessive Shippers) Pretending That She Had ‘Plenty Of Help’ To Change When The Truth Is No-One Seriously Attempted At All. (Even Saint Marinette ‘Encouraged’ Her And Good Ol’ Toxic Audrey To Bond By Being Awful To Each Other Instead Of Getting To The Heart Of Chloe’s REAL Issues), Breaking Up All Her Closest Relationships One By One Until The Only Person Left Is With Her Is Her Tyrannical Mother Who Promises To “Take Control’ Of Her Life Now In A Different Country That Her Father Has Disowned Her. (So I Guess Letting Chloe Get Further Traumatized By Her Main Abuser is Thomas’s Idea Of ‘Punishing’ Her... Great Message There For Children!) This Means Adrien Wants Nothing To Do With Her, Sabrina Has Been Unceremoniously Dumped And Even Butler Jean Has Been Fired With Little Fanfare. (Not That Chloe’s Had Any Interesting Interactions With Adrien Since S2... What Was The Point In Making Them Childhood Friends Again?! Her Dad Is Basically An Enabler Who Got Off Scot-Free Now He’s Resigned As Mayor And Looks To Have A Fresh Start With His ‘Perfect’ Adopted New Daughter, Sabrina Has Been MIA For YEARS And Only Gets Acknowledged This Once To Further Isolate And Damage Chloe And As For Butler Jean... Who?!) What It Boils Down To Is That Thomas Doesn’t Just Want To Strip Chloe Of The Bee Miraculous Permanently And Write Her Out Of The Show, Oh No! He Wanted To Transform Her Into The WORST Possible Version Of Herself To Try And Forcibly Extract Away The Last Few Fans She Has, And Then Give Her The WORST Possible Ending In The S5 Finale Despite Other Characters (E.g Gabriel) Doing FAR Worse And Yet Either Ending Up Getting ‘Redeemed’ Or Thought Of As Heroes(!). Oh, And Lila Has Multiple Moms Now(!), A Completely New Identity(!!) And Is The Main Antagonist From Now On(!!!)... I Think Her Superpower Is Dumbing Down Everyone Else So They’ll Believe Her Obvious Untruths. GREAT STORYTELLING, GUYS. Mr Astruc Is A Pathetic, Petty, Spiteful, Talentless Excuse For A Showrunner Who’s So Problematic To Discuss His Many And Numerous Controversies Would Take Another Post Probably Five Times As Big As This Already Overlong Wall Of Text, So We’ll Save That For Another Day. Good To See Though, That His ‘Brilliant” Scheme Appears To Be Failing And The More He Sticks Pins In Chloe’s Likeness The More Support She Gets Online And The More ‘Very Sweet’ Zoe Gets Hyped Up Into Something She’s Not, She’s Recognized As The Shallow Shill She Truly Is. I Just Hope Little Kids Aren’t Taken In By His Obvious Crusade To Make Chloe The Most Hated Teenager Since Joffrey. Why Couldn’t The Idea For Miraculous Have Fallen To A Guy Who Had Some Semblance Of Ability, Instead Of This Mediocre Hack Who’s Happy To Wallow In Stale Romantic Cliches, Underwhelming Superhero Fights, Uninteresting Lore, Non-Existent Continuity, Bbaadd Dialogue, Filler, Filler And More Filler, An Overabundance Of Characters = No Development For Them, ‘Special’ Episodes Abroad That Are Anything But, Prioritizing The Merchandise Above The Show ALWAYS, Allowing SO Many Spoilerific Leaks To Spread Under His Watch, Blocking Fans Left, Right And Center When They DARE To Question ANY Part Of His Writing (Because Apparently We’re Too Dumb To See The GENIUS)... And... rreesstt.

I am well aware that this post started out as one thing and ended up rather more convoluted than I hoped for, but Tumblr has always been a great source of therapy for me... so what better to get all my major bugbears out in one word soup of a paragraph that nobody will ever read if they know what’s good for them, before slouching back in my spinning chair with a glazed yet satisfied look on my face?

Nothing, that’s what.

[purrincess-chat]

I think I know now why Adrienette Never Met AU is so popular among some LN stans.

I know nothing about the AU itself (i mean sounds self-explanatory enough but i mean i havent seen anything for it), but I could see it.

And to be clear, I have no issues with people writing concepts in fic for the sake of the concept if it's just an interesting rabbit hole they wanna explore. My issue is with people writing breakup fics or anti-adrinette fics because they're pissed about s5 as a means of "fixing" s5 as if canon Adrinette is what was wrong with s5 (bonus points if theyre doing it to "punish" marinette 🤡). It's the salty and bitter ones I roll my eyes at. So, again, I don't know anything about that AU or the person's intentions for making it, but I can definitely see what you're saying for why certain audiences might be interested in a concept like that.

But given the fandom climate after s5, I am automatically a little sus of anyone pushing breakup/adrinette erasure concepts at the moment. Just, uhh, ya know, seems like very specific timing. Little hard to believe it's purely innocent, ya know? But what do I know? 🤷‍♀️

[ao3feed-ladynoir]

Diamond Dancing

Diamond Dancing by HamAndPineapple304

Marinette has a very interesting encounter with a certain Anti-Hero that leaves her shook. But suddenly she feels, attracted, to him?

(TAKES PLACE AFTER EPISODE 18 EMOTION. DO NOT READ IF YOU DONT WANT SPOILERS. THIS IS YOUR ONLY WARNING)

Words: 809, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English

Series: Part 1 of Diamond Dancing

Fandoms: Miraculous Ladybug

Rating: Teen And Up Audiences

Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply

Categories: F/M

Characters: Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, Félix Graham de Vanily, Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir, Amélie Graham de Vanily, Lila Rossi, Kagami Tsurugi, Gabriel Agreste

Relationships: Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug/Félix Graham de Vanily, Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir/Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir & Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug

Additional Tags: Dreams, endgame Marinette Dupain Cheng | Ladybug/Felix Graham De Vanily, felinette, endgame felinette, adrinette angst, Angst, Sad, Confusion, kiss, Minor Adrien Agreste/Marinette Dupain-Cheng, sorry Adrinette, Identity Suspicions, Secret Identity, Secret Crush, and when I say secret crush, i mean secret crush, Secret Relationship, eventually, Fluff, i should be writing something else, this doesn't make sense sometimes

Read Here: https://archiveofourown.org/works/44050998

[plaggioclase]

But everything made perfect sense when I told jac about it that one time (2022)

So that means it should still make sense and fully be there somewhere in the recesses of my brain. Right? (???) but I really can’t remember How that conversation went like hardly at all lol and now it doesn’t make sense anymore again

Adrien makes an effort to find and share another different side to himself in this new persona- trying to make it an anti-role.

Nino, AS not too long. alya, when Nino marinette, AS

Marinette, SCN instantly alya, SCN shortly after Nino, when adrien tells him

Transitive ACN

BROADLY:

Phase 1

Nino meets the new look. Marinette tells alya he’s chat noir. “Sasha” adrien begins hanging with marinette , and Nino (separately)

Phase 2 adrinette , adrino grow closer. Marinette shares with alya how chat noir is different than she expected. Nino is delighted to get to know adrien better than ever ..

Adrien tells Nino he is chat noir. Marinette tells adrien and Nino (alya present) she has sort of been seeing someone. They realize this someone is actually adrien.

Ladybug tells chat noir she knows he is “Sasha” which indicates to adrien that she is marinette.

1

- intro the disguise,plan - visiting Nino’s part time job    - In v1 Nino didn’t recognize him at first and that Reveal came later ? - Alya on the metro- texts marinette- M sees chat noir    - Alya get his number for marinette? - - amusement park - Cafe (NOT the bakery) - Ninos job - Scooters?? - Liberty (wit Luka and juleka)????? Other- fromagerie.

- Ladybug tells chat noir he doesn’t need to leave after fight because she’s marinette and she knows he’s “sacha - He has to run off anyway later he explains this with “I wasn’t dressed”

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