#marinette salt

[howhow326]

Imagine how Paris population would react to it's Guardian lying to them, tricking them into believing that a terrorist was a hero?

Don't get me wrong, Marinette was in a lose-lose situation and there was nothing she could to make everyone happy, but she chose the wrong choice. Lying to everyone to delay Adrien's inevitable reaction to his Dad being a supervillain, to delay Paris reaction to a famous fashion designer being a supervillain, and all of those reactions will be made worse because of Marinette's lie, not despite it.

Like even Alya is only mad at Marinette because she chose to lie and manipulate everyone, so what does she think Paris petty citizens will do when they find out (unless Marinette was planning to take this secret to the grave)

[marinettesaltprompts]

Marinette Salt Prompt: Growing Up means Realizations

Prompt by @bloop24

Sorry it’s long, I ran out steam writing this and i didn’t know how to end this other than them not wanting to be friends with Marinette anymore, but the idea was now that they are in high school and branched out making other friends they slowly realize that Marinette’s behavior is creepy and for the girls that means realizing the part they played in it by encouraging it. You can add or take away whatever you like

I don’t remember if Dupont was a high school or middle school but for this prompt it was a middle school

With middle school finished it was time to focus on high school and get a little more serious. The class were excited but a little nervous since they wouldn’t be in the same class. Some of them had some classes together and would be able to see each other at lunch. Even if some of them had no classes with the others they would always be able to hang out after school and catch up. Unknowingly, high school would change them in a way they never expected.

The first change that they noticed was actually funny to them. It had been a few weeks since school started back up, they were all getting used to their schedules and the work they had. That’s when they noticed Chloe and Sabrina weren’t having an easy time, more specifically Chloe. In middle school Chloe had Sabrina do all of her work and keep track of things for her. Now, her and Sabrina don’t even have classes together so their work isn’t the same, and the few times she tried to pass off Sabrina’s work as hers the teachers immediately saw through it. It was an adjustment for both of them, Sabrina for once had to learn to put herself first unless she also wants to be dragged into trouble with Chloe, and Chloe was learning that being the mayors daughter didn’t get her out of trouble anymore. They were the first ones to be hit by reality.

As the months past and they got used to their schedules the guys were the second to be hit with reality. It was slow at first and didn’t hit them until they got together to talk. As they branched out and made more friends they started to realize that Marinette’s behavior was weird. Nino was the first to realize this when it was pointed out to him. At that time Marinette had another freak out and loudly rambled something about Adrien before running off. At first he didn’t think anything of it since he was used to it but his friends talked about how weird she was. He didn’t understand it since sure she could be a little weird but overall she was cool. They pointed out how during free period she always seemed to track him down and how she had fantasies about a life together with him. Nino can admit that sounded pretty bad but he’s sure it wasn’t as bad as it looked, He felt bad about revealing her crush to them but he wanted to clear things up. The thing was they knew, everyone in the school knew, it was hard not to know with how loudly she’d talk about it. They pointed out that even with Marinette having a thing for him it was still weird that she had their supposed life planned out and tracked his every move. Then they asked a damning question, “would you do that?”, and Nino was stunned, not because he didn’t know the answer, he did, he just never thought of it that way. As much as he loved Alya it was way to soon to think about marriage or even kids, and he never felt the need to know where she was at every minute of the day.

After that day Nino was a lot more observant of Marinette’s behavior and found himself becoming increasingly more unsettled. He decided he had to tell the guys, he subtly told them in a way that would make them more observant of her behavior but not outright accuse her. When they met up to talk they were all disturbed by her behavior and her frequent ramblings of a supposed future with Adrien. They start recalling past events where Marinette intervened with clear purpose of getting close to him. By the end of their talk they came to the conclusion that they needed to tell the girls and Adrien, but they didn’t know how to bring it up. Unknown to them Adrien was coming to a conclusion of his own. To Adrien it was nothing new that Marinette stuttered her way through conversations with him. His friends however pointed out how she could never hold any type of conversation with him, but he brushed it off that she was just nervous and that she was still a great friend. His friends seemed unsure of that and asked if they had ever hung out together or even had one decent conversation. Adrien didn’t know how to respond to that, he thought back to every time they’ve interacted. It was always in a group setting and they never really had actual conversations because she was never coherent. He realized that he couldn’t really say they were friends, just that they were once classmates and share friends. He felt kind of bad but what was he supposed to do, he can’t force a conversation with her. As they talked more about it one of his friends blandly pointed out “you know she has a thing for you right?”, Adrien didn’t know what to say to that as his friends went on to explain. Everyone in the school knew about Marinette’s thing for him and no one felt comfortable calling it other than a thing. A crush was something innocent and cute even, but what Marinette had for Adrien was anything but cute or innocent. With her following him around, watching his every move, and glaring at any girl he had a conversation with, it was clear that she went beyond a crush. Adrien didn’t know what to say, he felt numb and his view of Marinette shattered.

Meanwhile the girls were facing the reality of Marinette’s disturbing behavior and the part they played in it. Rose was the first among the girls to become disillusioned to her behavior. She was a romantic, she loved romance and thought Marinette’s crush was cute. That is until her friends pointed out that it was anything but cute. Rose of course tried to explain otherwise, even bringing up some of the plans she and the girls did to try and get Marinette and Adrien alone on a date, like the rickshaw date they planned. However when she looked at her friends they looked a little horrified, they looked at each other before one of them asked rose “how would you feel if you were unknowingly on a date with someone you didn’t know that well and suddenly had to confess your nonexistent feelings to them?”. Rose was about to respond but stopped, she never thought of it that way. If she was taken on a date she didn’t consent to then confessed to and expected to confess feelings she may or may not of had she would feel beyond uncomfortable. She at least wanted to argue that Marinette and Adrien were friends but she could never hold any type of conversation with him and could barley hold herself together in his presence. The only thing she could argue was that Adrien wouldn’t have had to accept her feelings if he didn’t want to, but they pointed out that she and the girls were clearly going to be near by and everyone knows how Adrien is, he wouldn’t have wanted to hurt her feelings but he would be put on the spot. The more her friends talked about how what she and the girls did wasn’t okay the more she thought back to other plans the girls did to help Marinette. She remembered the schedule Marinette had and suddenly felt sick, she felt sick about the entire thing and the role she played in it.

Rose had told Juleka and they both went to the rest of the girls to talk about Marinette’s behavior and the role they all played in it. From their perspective they were just helping a friend with a boy she really liked, but from an outside view they were doing a lot more than that. As they talked more they came to the harsh reality that Marinette was stalking Adrien and they had helped her. They felt awful, they had know idea how it even got this far and how they didn’t see it earlier. One thing was certain though, they needed to come clean to the guys especially Adrien and apologize for the part they played in it. One thing they needed to do before going to them was to talk to Alya, she’s Marinette’s best friend and they worried that she might not see how far Marinette’s gone. At the same time on the other side of the school, Alya was having the same conversation with her friends. They were telling her that it wasn’t normal for Marinette to glare at any girl who talked to Adrien or go so far as to harass them. Alya wanted to argue that Marinette could go a little far sometimes but that she meant well but was interrupted, they told her that the last girl Marinette harassed got seriously injured. Marinette had made her trip and unfortunately she was near the stairs and fell down. Alya didn’t want to believe that she would do that but she remembered hearing about it and how the girl was close to Adrien since they had a couple classes together. She remembered how Marinette came to her days before the incident freaking out about the girl, but she didn’t think she would do something like that. However, Marinette’s history tells a different story, she knew she worked with Chloe to harass Kagami when they were at a movie premiere because she had told her, though she was trying to gloss over the details. Finally one of her friends asked her “would you like it if Nino chased away every guy you ever talked to?”, the answer was obvious, if Nino ever did that she would have broken up with him in a heartbeat. No one should want to be with someone that controlling, with that one thought it hit, why would Adrien want to be with someone who’s controlling over who he can talk to. The more she thought about the more she realized that if by some miracle they ever got together it would be extremely toxic. Adrien already deals with a controlling dad why would he want to date someone who’s equally controlling. With this revelation she needed to talk with the girls.

Both the girls and the guys decided they had to meet with the others to tell them everything. When everyone eventually met up it was awkwardly silent for a little bit. They wanted to tell the others about Marinette but was unsure of how to do it for different reasons. Not being able to take it anymore one of them blurts it out. All at once everything started coming out, the guys talked about what they found out and the girls talked about the stalking and having a part in it. The girls apologized to Adrien for the part they played in the stalking and gave more insight on some of the plans and her behavior, like her harassing Kagami.

[motherofplatypus]

Let's compliment the writers for writing Mari's depression as it is and not the "I'm sad, but i have a white boyfriend now, so I'm no longer sad" way.

If anything, having a boyfriend makes her even more depressed, so as cruel as it sounds, that's hilarious.

[arlakos]

On a more neutral note: even if you are one of those people that thought if was fine that Chloe was removed due to her own poor choices, creating an entire character be created to replace her as a bee hero, rather than just having an already existing character take over, just felt wrong on so many levels. In fact, I would argue that Zoe's entire existence makes Chloe's story even more tragic.

Like, season 4 comes and we get introduced to Zoe, a bastard child of Audrey that once again proves that she isn't fit to be a mother much less have children. The fact that Audrey can't remember Chloe's name yet goes to NY to have another kid would not only be shocking, it would also be such a slap in the face to her life.

Then this random girl comes in an gets everything you used to have. Andre, who never bothered to raise Chloe properly, practically adopts Zoe to replace the former with the latter as his own kid. Fucking Ladybug makes that same girl the Bee Miraculous holder. Like, I get that some people felt like what happened to her at the end of season 5 was deserved (and yeah sure, Chloe became worse so she got her just deserts), but yeah nah I would probably crash out as well if some half-sister that my bitch of a mother had made came into my life and took everything that i had.

Chloe's story is that of negligence and lack of parental guidance leading to predictably shitty behavior, but Miraculous Ladybug is the first to actually blame its victim, simply because said victim became mean rather than than become scared and cowardly. It's justifies her descent into villainy with a mix of both protagonist-centred morality and the invalidation of both Andre and Audrey's involvment (or lack of) in making Chloe into what she became. As far as both Miraculous and Astruc is concerned, Chloe is Satan incarnate and thus deserves any form of suffering that happens to her, especially because of her "poor actions" towards our angel of a protagonist. Said angel who is currently acting tyrant and controlling on her boyfriends entire life.

Call it sympathy for the devil, but I genuinely hope Chloe comes back and gets the slap-back on Marinette. Screw season 6 and screw Astruc's victim blame.

You know another thing I hate about Chloe's wasted potential? She had more connections to the Bee Miraculous than fucking Zoe ever did!

You guys know how the Bee Miraculous is meant to represent growth and hardwork, right? Well, that's exactly what Chloe was going through during Season 2! Yes, she fucked up a couple of times, but that was the point! Her arc in Season 2 was supposed to show that she can change, but with baby steps . Hell, it's not her fault no one told her that change takes time and it's hard to break old habits. Even Marinette said that it was gonna take baby steps to help her change.

But what change or growth does Zoe go through?

Zoe gets no development whatsoever! Her only "growth or change" is her saying "Hey family, fuck you! I ain't gonna bow down and kiss your asses no more! I'm a proud Pick Me girl, bitches!" UwU Okay, admittedly Zoe is far from a pick me. But still.

Basically, that's another main problem I had with her. Chloe actually shows that she is worthy of it despite her entitlement. She does want to change. She just doesn't know how. Zoe is just given the Miraculous because... nice girl.

[richardsphere]

So there's a strange "defense" of Miraculous I've seen crop up on occasion. The idea that everything wrong about the Lovesquare powerdynamic is deliberate and will all be explored next season (lets put aside that this defense has been cropping up for 3 seasons now). The claim that Soon(TM), the writers are gonna make the characters face the concequences and explore the fallout of the entire jenga-tower of BS they've been "carefully" setting up all along... Which... isnt a defense I vibe with, cause it fundamentally boils down to "its not a Kids Rolemodel Show, its a deconstruction of a Kids Rolemodel Show". It's a defence that would place Marinette alongside Tyler Durden, Walter White and Rick Sanchez in the "you werent supposed to relate to them" pantheon. And while i think there are plenty of reasons that deconstruction is a usefull tool (even if i hate the dime-a-dozen "Childrens Fairytale but its depression" and "Superman, but psycho"' decon-stories out there). I'd argue 'Kids Rolemodel Show' is the one genre that should never be deconstructed, or at least not in the slow-burn,long-form way the people arguing this claim the show to be doing. And i hold that stance for one simple two-part reason: Poe's law, and the fact that the deconstructed genre is aimed at an audience with absolute zero media-literacy. (reminder: "5-6 year old kids" is the one audience where that is not an insult, simply a statement of fact.) A show aimed deconstructing a genre with an audience for whom it may actually be their first big piece of media is legitimately dangerous. Because there is no way a 5 year old can be expected to tell "deconstruction of a formulaic kids cartoon" from "Formulaic kids cartoon". The idea that "they've been making Marinette into a bad example deliberately and are going to reveal the entire show to have been a carefull ruse in season 6/7" is supposed to be a defense? Its frankly absurd. A 6 year kid who watched the show when it first aired and idolised Ladybug, could be old enough to drink by the time S6 reveals she was supposed to be a bad example. A little girl who based her relationships on the way Mari pursues romance would have a restraining order by the time the show indends to pull this twist. And some of y'all are claiming that "actually its a long-form deconstruction" is a defense? I legit don't get y'all.

[shysublimecoffee]

Marinette receiving the Ladybug mantle was an absolute mistake. I watched the special, and honestly, gurl is doing the most—and for what? A guy? One dude, and she’s ready to throw her common sense out the window. Like, how has Hawkmoth/Gabriel not used his own son more often as leverage against her by now? That’s villainy 101, and he’s just sitting on it. Like for the amount of times I've seen this show rag on ChatNoir because of his weakness in romance when that Ladybug biggest weakness not CN lol.

At this point, I don’t even care about what Marinette’s going through. Whatever emotional investment I had in her? Long gone. She’s out here spinning lies on top of lies, desperately trying to hold together her crumbling Adrien-obsessed empire, and for what? She lost. Game over.

Now, if this were a story about a girl slowly getting corrupted, spiraling into villainy, and intentionally written as a downfall arc? No problem. That would’ve been a compelling narrative with a real lesson for kids about the consequences of obsession and dishonesty. But nope, instead we’re stuck with this mess where her choices make it harder and harder to root for her.

Marinette's speech at the press conference—“Ladybug holds the truth, she holds the truth” —had me scratching my head cause it sound more like a villain then a hero. Like, did the writers forget she’s supposed to have hero-like qualities? She’s meant to be the messenger, the symbol of hope, the hero. But how often does she actually display that in her own show?

Lately, it feels like being Ladybug is more of an obligatory chore for her than something that brings her real joy or fulfillment. Isn’t the whole point of magical girls to inspire, to help others, and to grow through their journey? Where’s the sense of accomplishment, the spark, the joy of making a difference? It’s like they’ve stripped her of everything that should make her role uplifting and meaningful.

I've seen here and there about how MC was never meant to come off that way or the writers are trying to make her more complex or how dare you do you dislike complex female characters or the most used it was never her intention to come off that way it was a mistake.

I want you to picture this without the music just dialogue cause i'm going to be clearcut about this.

Ladybug went to an orphaned, grieving child—one who had been locked away in solitary confinement, surrounded by nothing but white walls and being sensory deprived—and lied to him about his father being a hero. Let that sink in. Gabriel, who systematically abused his own son, was painted as a noble martyr by Ladybug.

Adrien, a kid who was finally starting to question his father’s authority, even beginning to tear down the oppressive image of the man who controlled and hurt him, is now trapped in an even tighter mental cage. After all, if Paris sees his father as a hero, a savior, how could he possibly feel justified in blaming or resenting the man? Gabriel is now a martyr in the eyes of the world, and Adrien is left to wrestle with guilt and shame for ever having cruel thoughts about someone everyone else idolizes.

Ladybug’s decision to perpetuate this lie doesn’t just protect Gabriel’s image—it messes with Adrien’s already fragile mind. Instead of helping him heal or giving him the freedom to process the truth, she’s reinforced the very chains Gabriel used to control him. It’s not heroic; it’s delusional and harmful, all in the name of preserving some twisted version of peace in her head.

You want me to feel pity for a girl who I'm sorry if I sound harsh to yall at the end of the day just want to keep the peace to fill her delusions that everything is going to work out in her part at the end when really she's just the worst type of coward there is when it comes to confrontations lmao. Accountability? She avoids them like they’re some kind of plague. It’s almost impressive how someone can masquerade as a hero while being utterly incapable of facing the hard truths. Lmao, sure, let’s all pity her.

Honestly, in the earlier seasons, at least Marinette seemed to feel bad about her mistakes. Now? She’s only gotten worse. I headcanon that receiving the Ladybug mantle or becoming the Guardian inflated her ego, giving her a power trip. With no proper mentor to hold her accountable and everyone automatically deferring to her leadership, who’s left to challenge her? Well maybe CN if he has the guts to do so but he'd rather cower into his shell lol.

In hindsight, I don’t think Marinette should’ve become Ladybug—not because she lacks the capability, but because the role itself seems to have worsened her as a person. Instead of growing into the hero I though she was meant to be, she’s devolved, losing some of the humility and self-awareness she had at the start of the series.

Let’s be real—we’re in Season 6 now, and we all know the writers aren’t going to make Marinette face any real consequences. The whole universe bends over backward to accommodate her. If you’ve seen Season 5, you know exactly what I’m talking about.

That said, I’ll give credit where it’s due: the special was fun. Yes, despite all my ranting, I actually enjoyed it because it was funny in its own way.

At this point, though, I’m only sticking around for Adrien and Lila. Honestly? I’m rooting for Lila to be the one to drop the truth bomb and expose everything. It would be chef’s kiss poetic if she ended up being the one to set things straight. Lmao.

P.s For anyone who thinks there is a dilemma to be had about the whole thing its really not lol rip the bandaid off.

It reeks of a megalomaniac in the making, making her come off like a gaslighting psychopath. Ironically, it reminds me of Gabriel—especially with the way he used similar wording. Honestly, are we sure Marinette isn’t Gabriel’s true daughter? Because the parallels are man.

I’m genuinely angry that she is the one everyone feels sorry for, and it’s only because the show is stuck in her perspective. If we spent even a fraction of the screen time on Adrien’s pain, it would make for a far more compelling story. It’s infuriating. Marinette isn’t some helpless sheep/damsel victim here—no one forced her into this role at gunpoint. She made her choices, knowingly and willingly. How dare she act like the weight of the world was thrust upon her without her consent? When she very much messed with a grieving kid here?

And yet, Adrien’s pain—real, tangible, and far more tragic—is constantly sidelined. He’s an orphan, being lied to by nearly everyone around him, adults and teens alike, and his suffering is treated as a subplot to Marinette’s endless drama. Why should the audience feel more for her than for the boy who’s lost everything? Why is his pain has to be centered to her??

This isn't a small mistake this has far reaching consequences if the show had the balls to do it to lie to the entire world over a man who terrorized on people fear.

If Adrien ever became a villain, I wouldn’t blame him. In fact, I’d understand and give him the free ticket to go ahead and cataclysm and burned the world .

[demigodseameg16]

Bro as someone who uses a walking aid (a cane) and is disabled seeing the new trailer for Miraculous Ladybug makes me absolutely furious. I have never felt so much hatred for a fictional character before and yet here we are. I didn't like Marinette before but like, this just. This hits way too close to home and I know Astruc is going to frame it in a way that makes Marinette the good guy. But NOTHING excuses touching a disability aid without permission, especially fooling around with it and sabotaging it. And the fact that a younger generation is going to see this, I absolutely can't. I feel so bad for disabled children who will see this scene on TV and have their feelings be in the wrong, shown that they are the bad guys for getting upset, or heavens forbid being disabled. Screw you Astruc.

[booksrbetterthanpeople]

AU based off a project I did for English class! And got an A on. (My professor watches MLB by the way, and has a Fox miraculous necklace!)

My asks are off, so any questions you have, put ‘em in the replies or reblog

[jennrypan]

..too many people are tryna give Marinette a pass cuz shes 14 and whatever the fuck. She's not 14 anymore, and not to mention.

Adrien and Alya got dogged on for way less for YEARS and they were around the same age and they haven't done nearly as much shit as Marinette has. Adrien got flamed just for destroying a damn chimney.

Compare that to her breaking his fucking amok. (Or a girl's prosthetics cuz she couldn't let Adrien have a damn friend that isn't also her friend.) Like..No, she isn't getting sympathy from me cuz she hasn't learned a damn thing. She's still not treating Chat as her equal partner and she's still consistently lying to Adrien and she's STILL going ballistic over him being around girls.

No. This isn't salt to point out exactly what She's done and has been doing, there's no excuse for that nonsense and the show brushing it off as "haha classic Marinette" is an issue. Cuz if thats her usually..she needs to fix it. Idc

[pythagoras180]

I think the fan reaction to "Werepapas", specifically that scene with the broken rings, proves that Adrien's fans don't actually see him as a person, just an object or Marinette's accessory.

I don't like Adrien at all. I've made that very clear. But when I saw that scene, I was still overcome with sympathy for him. I found it so utterly disgusting that his romantic partner was willing to kill him to defeat an enemy. She didn't call for backup, she didn't try every other option first, and she wasn't even sure she could bring him back (see "Ladybug"), but she gambled with his life anyway. This scene made me feel so bad for Adrien that I temporarily forgot how much I dislike him, and I just wanted to see him get as far away from Marinette as possible.

Yet it seems like all the actual fans of the show, even of Adrien specifically, didn't feel that same way. They didn't think there was anything wrong with what Ladybug did. And maybe this is because some of them blindly accept whatever the show feeds them, and since the show doesn't portray what she did as wrong, they don't see it as wrong. But I also think the fact that they weren't disgusted on Adrien's behalf proves that they simply don't care about Adrien as a person, just as an accessory to Marinette.

[starguardianniom]

The Power of Love in Miraculous Ladybug

It's bad.

Legit bad.

Just in the opening song, you hear: "The power of love always so strong!"

More like always so strong at creating all the problems in the freaking show fr.

Gabriel is Hawk Moth just to get the miraculouses to save his wife, so he is motivated by love.

Marinette legit screwed herself up in 4 of the 5 seasons finales because of love.

And that's not getting into all the akumas she caused just because she was so caught up in her own feelings that she screwed over other people or just ended up hurting other people's feelings in her wake.

The world legit ended because of her love.

Also had to reset an entire timeline too because she couldn't stick to her plan the moment she learned Adrien was Chat Noir.

Let's not forget how the show portrays Marinette's love of Adrien, via stalking, knowing everything in his schedule for the next 3 years, planning his birthday gifts for decades in advance (and apparently having weird gifts too since she threw one of them in the trash once she saw Adrien's confused reaction to it), getting jealous of any girl getting close to him to the point that she once teamed up with Chloé to get Kagami away, and Kagami had done nothing to deserve being humiliated publicly like that, even worse is that the year before Marinette got humiliated b Chloé in front of a guy she liked by said guy she liked which started her whole obsession about Adrien later on which just makes her a double hypocrite in Animaestro.

Marinette treats Adrien more like a prize than a person, you're not gonna make me believe that everything she knows about him is stuff she learned from him by talking to him, please, given how she could barely speak to him you really think she would pull this off? Pretty sure she just researched him online, at one point she pratically begs Nino to tell her what Adrien finds funny.

And yet not once does she consider if Adrien would actually have a word in their relationship, she called him her Adrien as far as season 1.

Meanwhile, Gabriel loves his son but also emotionally abuse him, and also gets physical with him once he learns he's Chat Noir, he yeeted him to the Eiffel Tower, I never forgave him for that.

He also loves his wife, but he also ended up losing his one real chance at bringing her back just to get back at Ladybug, so you can say his love wasn't enough anymore.

The Power of Love was motivating him until it changed to obsession at revenge with Ladybug.

Now I wonder what's it's gonna take until Marinette realise her love for Adrien is her downfall. So far it screwed her over everytime more than anything else, it's not her strenght it's her biggest weakness that brings out the worst in her, and it got brought to it's height in the season 5 finale and the London special.

Lying to the whole world about Gabriel just to spare Adrien's feelings because Gabriel asked her too, especially after everything he did to him, to her and everyone else? Yeah, no.

It just traps Adrien more.

It's disgusting.

The Power of Love is the biggest evil in the freaking show to the point it's its own character.

Lila wish she could be just as bad.

Maybe she will be able to show us.

And with how season 5 ended, I'm wondering how The Power of Love is gonna do, probably do even more damage.

The Power of Love shown by the main protagonist and the main villain is the most terrifying thing ever in the show.

[sophieabigail2021]

So is Chat Noir trustworthy or not??? make up your goddamn mind

Sweetie it will get harsher if you keep on going with that stupid secret

[motherofplatypus]

After seeing several response about Sublimation, I can't help but feel like people are using Adrien's lack of social skill to justify Marinette's stalker behaviour.

"He's okay with it, so it's not stalking", "He doesn't know, so it's okay", "No one was harmed, so what's the big deal" are the excuses I've seen the most. And with Sublimation, people were going "Oh, he knows her so well, that's cute". I can't help but ask what exactly is cute about that?

Folks, this guy is someone who's been socially depraved for YEARS since he was a kid with his only friend being Chloe. He has little to no awareness of what is acceptable in society and what is not.

Him accepting the treatment and behavior doesn't make it okay.

[butterfly--empress]

And Another Thing...

Because actually, the more I think about it, the more it just pisses me off...

If The main writer wanted this to just be a simple formulaic "magical girl powa" kids show that sells merch. With no overarching story plot.

MLB could've just simply BEEN that. A cutesy Sailor Moon inspired story!

MLB could've just BEEN an all female superhero team with Marinette as leader, Alya second in command, and Chloe and/or Kagami being her love rivals/friends for Adrien's affections.

And Adrien could literally just BE THE DAMN LUKEWARM LOVE INTEREST that she wins in the end. Because the Deuteragonist of this show, sure as shit ain't been him since at least S4, let's be so for real.

Nothing against Alya, I love her, but girlfriend has overshadowed what used to be Adrien's role.

But in this version of MLB, being an all girl team of superheroes with a secret identity. Marinette's absurd 'whacky' antics in this show could easily be ignored/deflected/handwaved away, if we never knew much about Adrien outside of him being a popular, good looking rich kid, whom Marinette crushes on and daydreams about often.

And TA doesn't have to twist himself into a pretzel to defend his poor writing choices, when the only POV that matters is Marinette's.

There would be no need for the lore, or vaguely changing it when he feels like it. Or worrying about the unnecessary drama of the whole 'they can't know each others identities' main plot that has all become meaningless.

The original main plot of the whole secret identities for romantic drama and the reason many of us were drawn to this show to BEGIN WITH, is moot when the writer constantly refuses to do ANYTHING with the setup he writes for himself.

He won't let none of his characters have any real development and growth and only seems to care about ONE-HALF of the original two man team.

And I'm over it. 4 episodes and a lame ass Special that literally excuses the main heroine's reasons for LYING to her One True Love has shown me this show is NOT interested in doing anything beyond what it's given.

All of us invested or holding your breath for any real progress with the romantic/main subplot are going to be waiting for naught.

I was already convinced but now I'm certain:

There will never be a big reveal. And if there is one, it'll be purposely left to the VERY end of the series. And it won't even be satisfying.

Nothing will EVER be done with the Lie. Why should it? Marinette finally has the boy she wants, and even if it ever got addressed, the writer would handle it in the most contrived way possible that somehow excuses Marinette's decision anyway.

How much you wanna bet, he'll just end up retconning his own story to SOMEHOW scapegoat Marinette's bullshit to be Lila's fault?

Or Chloe's? Because even when she's not around, not in the same school, city, or even country, the writer STILL finds a way to hate on Chloe.

No...wait even better! Adrien finally finds out and to avoid allowing Marinette to own up to her fucking mistake/betrayal of trust, she decides to 'sacrifice' her memories and being Ladybug...and oh my fucking god.

......This is why TA had Marinette entrust Alya as the new leader isn't it? He thinks he's so goddamn clever!

Marinette's gonna fuck up big time in this season and then get temporary or semi-permanent amnesia to forget EVERYTHING to avoid owning up to her mistakes?

And instead of people seeing the manipulative writing to handwave away how she's been very selfish and self-centered, and her need to control everything. People are going to praise TA for believing or redeeming her bad decisions/behavior on how much she was finally willing to 'sacrifice' herself for a change for Adrien.

*groans*....god this sounds even worse.

You know what, this post had a point and I spiraled again.

Oh yeah...MLB should've just been another inspired typical 5 teamed magical girl knock off because hoping the writer does anything worthwhile with his Deuteragonist, is just waiting for Levithan to reveal itself from the deep, dank, ocean depths, and in this timeline the world's in rn, that's actually more plausible than hoping for meaningful character arcs after 6 seasons of MLB...

[richardsphere]

like not a big thing... but am i the only one who feels that in the aftermath of Revalator, everyone is suddenly obsessed with the (absolutely minute) "chat blanc" parallels and trying to swerve the conversation to a 1-off sponsorship by Tsurugi so they dont have to acknowledge what just happened? Like "oh look Chat Blanc Parallels, clearly that means Marinette is right and the truth SHOULDNT come out unless he gets blanc'd again." The parallels are so flat they dont matter as anything but a way for the writers to claim mari is "secretly still right".

Also is it me or does the eraser just... feel wrong. Like it feels like a case of mari getting the answer she was wanting not the one she was needing... this is becoming a trend.

Starting with the London Movie with her seemingly deliberately misinterpreting the cat-lender, then Werepapa's 5 ignored charms. And now an episode half-way into the season where the item she gets is explicitly an excuse for her to get her stubborn way? (also how long it took her to figure out the mirror in Sublimation? Like her LB-spotty vision skills are definitly slacking at best this season) Like... it feels like she is legitimately tapping into that "evil ladybugs get what they want, good ladybugs get what they need" restriction in this episode. Like somewhere around the as-yet-unaired episode 8 she must have crossed that line definitively. Because if the power still gave "what she needs"? The lucky charm would not have told her to continue lying to Adrien. Because the Gabriel lie isn't something anyone in this show 'needs'. Its not just Adrien, Alya, and all of paris that need truth. Marinette needs to face the concequences of her lies, and needs the healing that can only come in the aftermath of this reveal. That eraser doesnt feel like like something Tiki gives Marinette, it feels like something Marinette made for herself.

like i know i've said before that if they're doing "Mari is the bad guy" i wanted this to be how the powers were affected, but I wanted the writers to be clear and honest that they were doing it, so that the the audience could clearly, openly see it, even if Mari couldn't yet. The current way of doing this is the worst of both worlds.

[indigomarina]

Isekai'd as Marinette Fanfic Idea

Okay, not saying I'm going to be the one to write it, but wouldn't it be cool if we got a 'woke up as her' fic where someone woke up as Marinette before the events of the show (preferably before 'Derision' so Chloe and Kim are their friends).

The OC/reader remembers the WHOLE show (and also remembers how much they hated the later seasons and Marinette), so they go through the show and fix pieces they don't like unintentionally affecting the show in ways they didn't think about.

Also their version of Ladybug would fawn over Chat Noir but would be friendly around Adrien (they love both, but feel Adrien needs a friend first whereas Chat needs love). However Adrien falls for Marinette (the OC/reader) first. So this unintentionally swaps the love square as well.

Again, I'm not sure I'm going to be the one to write it because I already has three fics (Miraculous Quad, Alterbug, Butterflies and Kittens) that are stuck in Season 1. But it'd be really cool to have it written because I think it'd be super cool.