#tropes discourse tag

[llitchilitchi]

Bit of a nitpick and not really a trope but I'm rather defensive about how people write c!dream's dialogue, idk where anyone gets the idea that the man is anywhere near eloquent or stereotypically cartoon villainous in his speech patterns 24/7. That man stutters and jumbles over his own talking constantly. This is not to say c!dream never had Big Villainous Talking moments like his white flags bit, spirit monologue, staged finale, snake monologue (based and sexy), or post prison break c!tommy chase, but I would actually chalk up Dre's main form of delivery as mostly casual and weirdly normal sounding.

big shoutout to any author who can channel the 'do you suck or blow' energy of c!Dream

[theminecraftbee]

you know sometimes one of the things the fandom does that i like the least is joke about how certain ccs are "lorephobic" because it basically always ignores the lore they actually are really and visibly doing. like, sure, they may not be doing the lore YOU'RE looking at, but, one, lore doesn't just mean "big overarching server storyline" it can also mean solo stuff. it can also mean 'builds that have story built into them'. it can also mean 'fun little storyline between like two guys'. it can also mean character continuity. it can mean many things. two, "this guy doesn't do lore" is NOT the same thing as "this guy doesn't do the specific lore i personally like and want to see them doing" and i don't always think you guys know the difference. all of this, of course, is to say: hey guys did you know zedaph can canonically time travel,

[metaforth]

Edit: Adding a note because I'm noticing the correction by @crypticsposting isn't being included in reposts, I'm aware Wes Craven wasn't a writer on the NOEM reboot. He was credited despite having no direct involvement in the film. It was written by Wesley Strick and Eric Heisserer. It doesn't really effect my point so I'm not gonna go back and edit the entire post but I'm just noting here now, I know about the mistake.

BAD PEOPLE CAN BE CREEPS.

People on this hellsite seem to forget this very often when it comes to fictional characters but a villain being a creep doesn't mean the writer is pro-creeps. Infact, the fact they made the villain a creep implies quite the opposite.

Like back when that Nightmare in Elmstreet reboot that everyone hated (and that I think was actually pretty good) came out and turned the subtext of Freddy being a pedophile into domtext some people acted like that meant Wes Craven is a creepy weirdo? Because he decided that the horrible man who murdered kids is also a horrible man who touched kids? No one claimed that him making the original movies means he's pro-child murder. Why does him making Krüger, the exact same character, a pedo (or at least making it much more clear he's a pedo) mean Craven is a pedo?

The cognitive dissonance is so strange.

And to be clear, whether it makes Craven a creep and whether it's a good decision are separate issues. I personally don't mind the change but I understand why people find it unnecessary and a'little weird. It fits the darker and more serious tone of the film but that doesn't mean you have to like the decision. But, whether or not you do, I don't feel it reflects on Wes Craven as a person.

Now admittedly, the people saying that choice makes Craven creepy were a very small but vocal lot. I'm saying this because that sentiment is one I see a lot, especially on this site. That anytime a writer makes a character do a thing, that means the writer support whatever that thing is, even though obviously that's not generally true. I don't think George Lucas is pro-planet-explodination after all.

Just a very strange trend that makes me really hate the writing discourse this site sometimes.

[clione16]

"chilchuck is that one 'she is 10000-year-old dragon' trope but he is guy so no one ever think it is weird" "people who thirst over him is a pedo" Do. You. Even. Read. The. Manga.

[shorthaltsjester]

being a huge fan of tlou but also like. thinking that certain stories are built for certain mediums. like the entire theme of tlou2 is grounded and fresh because it’s a railroad/story video game that still affords you mechanical choices in how you navigate the world. i just don’t have a lot of confidence that presenting that story in a tv show with the minimal adjustments that they did in s1 will be fulfilling or compelling in any comparable way. because with tlou1 some of the like. beauty of that story was simply that it was such an emotive story contained in the medium of video games. and some of that was retained just by hitting similar or expanded emotional beats in the show, like the episodes that expanded on the life of the characters and the realities of that world. but truly so much of tlou2 emotional depth and ‘why does this story matter’ rests in the fact that’s it’s your hands on the controller, continually choosing to go forward in the story and have hope that it will work out in your-as-ellie-or-abby-or-somehow-booth’s favour. and you simply cannot get that in a non-interactive medium like television. like i do think tlou2 is a good story but it’s a good story because of the investment required by the player to keep pressing buttons and keep returning and to feel the adrenaline like responses of high intensity moments and be jarringly shifted into backstories that only increase the frustration. in general i’ve been thinking a lot about cross-medium adaptation and on the one hand i am glad that season 1 makes the story of the last of us more accessible to people who wouldn’t pick up a video game but it’s also like. maybe instead we can destigmatize video games as this inaccessible and dangerous medium a bit more instead of just . implicitly agreeing . like no maybe your mom won’t pick up a video game controller and play the last of us . but maybe you can play the game in the living room. sometimes the mediums that stories are told in aren’t just important but are actually foundational parts of how the information of a story is conveyed and that’s not only okay but is fucking fantastic. we should be happy actually that there are so many ways to collect a bunch of themes and ideas and put them together and hold them out to someone else and say “won’t you consider this with me. won’t you feel these emotions and care about these characters with me.”

[problematicbots]

If I say if I actually prefer tfp Smokesceen over the Jettwins from tfa as the "silly funny younger character that is a part of the elite guard in some way " would I be banned from tfa fandom😬

[void-dreaming]

So I'm rewriting both my Kirby AUs from the ground up, which means lots and lots of neat stuff.

Here's a concept for older (15~16ish) Marzipan.

Oh yeah, I'm not kidding when I say EVERYTHING is changing xhdndh

[captainkirkk]

A lot of A/B/O fics write this traditional society where omegas are slut shamed, and pressured to have children, and have limited bodily autonomy, and aren't able to play "masculine" sports, and are pressured to be feminine and small and thin and beautiful

It's just a genderbend AU with extra steps and a strong dash of misogyny

[canonically47]

also i HATE when fandoms make up ships just for the sake of making them up. the biggest example i know is reed900, those guys never interacted and barely had ten minutes of screentime combined (and that's being generous), why do we have one fan-created full-length movie and multiple fanmade spin-offs based on them?

or in the TADC fandom, everyone immediately started saying "pomni and ragatha are in love" or "jax and gangle/jax and zooble enemies to lovers" or "caine x kinger >>>" or literally ANY PAIRING YOU CAN THINK OF. just for the sake of shipping. (for the record, i ship royalteeth; these are just examples)

now, am i saying i am against shipping culture altogether? absolutely not. i love shipping my silly fictional couples, often they are a source of comfort for me. but you cannot deny that some ships are made just for the sake of having characters in relationships - as if they wouldn't be good or even better off without one! who the hell came up with pomni x jax? they don't even have chemistry, are you just shipping them because main girl + main boy = love? is that really a good base for your ship?

this may just be because the concept of romance is beyond me as an aromantic person, but i swear, i am so tired of some of these ships. i do love a good crackship (lord knows what i've done with yansim, you would call me a hypocrite if you saw my fics) and main boy x main girl can always be done correctly (mostly if it's canon though, and not just for the sake of having the two main people in a straight ship) - conrisa (connor x risa from the unwind dystology) for example is an amazing protag x protag ship, but where conrisa excels, miracolev (miracolina x lev from the same books) falls flat for me;

but sometimes i do feel like shipping is done just for the sake of having a character in a romantic relationship, and not because the ship makes sense, has chemistry or interest in one another - just because romance is the way to go, i guess. another example is hank x connor from D:BH, my god, where the fuck did that one come from? it ruins the aspect of both characters as their stories have nothing to do with romance and they even have a father-son-like relationship! jeez people

and especially in media like TADC or hitman, which do not focus on romance at all but on existential crisises (TADC) and murder and moral questions (hitman), we do not need all the pomni x jax, gangle x jax, diana x 47, diana x lucas etc. nonsense. just enjoy the thing. just enjoy the individual character.

if this comes off wrong, i'm sorry - i have a lot of thoughts about this, and i cannot word it better <//3 i don't mean disrespect as, as i've said, i love a good crackship or just ship in general... it's just... why do we always have to ship everything and everyone?

[llitchilitchi]

I'm kind of going to go the opposite route to swordfright and say I'm not a fan of when c!Quackity is written as Pure Unfiltered Evil. Like, obviously he's not the nicest guy out there, he's done—let me check… *a lot of shit*. But it can sometimes feel similar to the treatment c!Dream gets from the fandom.

But then again, totally okay if that's the story you want to tell! The only problem is when people bring that stuff from fics to analysis; that goes for any character.

the ask from swordfright kinda compliments yours, really, and at the end of it all we get a complete statement that I think applies to all characters in the story

all characters are heroes of certain stories and victims of others, and they are definitely villains in many others. and all of that needs to be acknowledged, especially if we are to Discuss canon. it's valid to ignore parts of the character especially when we write from the perspective of someone they have a particular relationship with, but these fandom views don't have place in the actual story analysis

there is a lot of nuance to all characters on the SMP so to only choose one feels like taking two barbie dolls and waving them around

as one anon said, there is a line. and that applies to all of these

yes, c!Wilbur can be depicted as a hero in c!Tommy's eyes, but it would be stupid to ignore the emotional abuse that was inflicted in the process

yes, c!Quackity is a fucked up individual that tortured someone for fun. but he also underwent a lot of trauma at the hands of his fiancé and then when he got engaged later to someone else, they neglected him

yes, c!Dream was hurt in prison and reduced into a whimpering begging mess. but he also murdered one of the people responsible for the torture when he had the opportunity

it's cool to see people lean more into one or the other with the good/evil hero/victim/villain thing, but the main thing people seem to mind is when it's Just One and all the rest of the character is erased

does this make sense?

[ghostinacardboardbox]

Is the murder drones fandom seriously doing ship wars again I thought we were over this.

[gggoldfinch]

holding myself back by the throat from making a pro vaultghoul rant post bc I keep getting recommended anti posts

[daisysmalia]

I think if Buck didn’t want Tommy to call him Evan he would just tell him.

[awrtes]

hi just a little reminder that most jegulus shippers aren’t women-hating misogynists <3

[cattatoir]

I do think some folks are taking this a bit too srs lol. There was not a lot of time to tell Aziraphale that Gabriel was kicked out for saying No to the end of the world part 2. And like if he had, I don’t know if Aziraphale would listen. His big flaw is that he sees the good and thinks heaven is still good. Which Crowley challenged him on a bit but in a way that was more jokingly. Like I don’t think Crowley ever wanted to have the “if I’m not evil then why was I cast out” conversation with Aziraphale like. I wouldn’t if that was my only friend and he never seemed receptive. Lol i love analyzing this bs but guys I do not have the energy in my day to deadass assign blame in fictional character’s temporary fuck up when it’s pretty much guaranteed they’ll get each other on the right page

[llitchilitchi]

im so sorry but i really hate the fanfic trope where it's not just the characters on the dsmp and instead theyre like actually countries with other citizens

i think it can be written really interestingly and also be done well (ive seen it before) but most ppl just use it to call cdream a tyrant and lmanburg "fighting against injustice" ;-;

i feel like there was one fic everyone mustve copied from where lmanburg was a small faction on the edge of the "esempi" that dream didnt care about and kept on getting not enough supplies and it sucked to live there until wilbur soot decided to fight for independence since dream didnt care about them anyway and then dream sends in his army to fight them

this is such a specific trope but ive seen it so many times heh??

(sorry for the long post)

okay but this is such a good take. this trope could be utilized Really Well and I believe Wilbur said that he liked the idea of DSMP having more "citizens" and a lot of dsmpsonas were created on that basis (which: can we bring back the dsmpsona trend? it was so fun) and it could be utilized in really interesting ways in soooo many fics

alas, it's only used in the anti c!Dream propaganda