#this is such a white debate lol
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cyborg-3005 · 11 months ago
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yes.
fuck this post is SO FACTS!!!!! YESSSS!!! AGHHH.
it really is not that hard to be critical and not interact with ships you don't like without openly calling for censorship for fictional content on the internet, which is a ridiculous idea.
proper oversight to prevent actual pedos from approaching minors on the internet? yes of fucking course. but god it's so tiring to explain to people that being a pedo isn't the same thing as making/sharing "problematic" fictional content.
will i think you are incredibly weird for doing problematic shit? yes. will i block you/not interact with your content? yes. but trying to impose that on everyone so that they can't even make or share that content in the first place is so fucking stupid. the internet is the last place to censor people, especially over things are are so often subjective and/or trivial compared to actual issues.
i'm not a proshipper. i think shipping real life people is incredibly weird and i do not support it. but i'm not gonna police what other people do with their fanfic writing or whatever. as long as they aren't actually trying to directly interact with minors in weird ways or otherwise doing those problematic things themselves, why should i care?
oh yeah, and the point about racism/xenophobia is very true. almost anytime censorship is encouraged on the internet, it seems to come from people that are white and unfairly target people of color or non-english speakers, even if those people haven't actually done anything remotely problematic. especially with the whole shipping debate.
i find that some antis themselves are rather hypocritical, considering they themselves often post straight-up problematic content with their fictional characters. like what fuckin right do you have to police what other people do with their characters when you're doing those things yourself?
as a minor myself it may seem weird that i'm not an antishipper. but i've seen the worst the internet has to offer, and shipping fictional characters is definitely not in that bottom tier. i hate pedos with all my heart but writing weird fanfic or drawing weird fanart of characters isn't equal to being a pedo, and it's not worth it for me to call for unequivocal censorship just so a couple people i don't like have their content taken down.
in all, the whole shipping debate in general is incredibly stupid, especially when there are so, so many more important things going on in the world than debating fictional characters. the whole thing comes from people who are chronically online and out of touch with what is going on in the world and even just around them at all. like genuinely, i'm trying to make people aware about the genocide in the congo and you're over here debating if this random ship is wrong for people to even have the idea of writing about? smh.
point is, let people write what they want so long as it stays in the fictional realm. live and let live applies to everyone--that includes proshippers or the like who decide to overstep their bounds.
go touch some grass or whatever. please. don't harass people based on what ships they do or don't like. DNI is fine, but anything further is just overstepping your bounds. like seriously, this is such a non-issue. i am white myself and it shocks me how far us white people go to make up debates and find ways to call ourselves oppressed even though we're just oppressing other people. maybe let's try focusing on protecting real human beings first and foremost.
Pro vs Anti-shipping opinions from someone who is Neutral…and will get canceled on both sides anyway
It’s fair and 100% ok to deem ships that are problematic, “problematic”, and be uncomfortable with them…and maybe even try to discourage people from shipping them, but you absolutely do not have the right to act like an authoritarian little sh!t and dictate what people can and can’t do. Block and move on.
Proshippers can effectively draw/write/create whatever they want. This is the internet and no matter how much you whine and complain, the internet isn’t going to adopt a pro-censorship stance. However, if you create content for an obviously disgusting pair, you’re going to get criticism, and people are going to find you creepy. You will be judged, even if you’re using your ship as a coping mechanism. No one is free from it.
Criticism, suggestions, and expression of discomfort are NOT BULLYING. If someone doesn’t like your ship, too bad. However, if you’re blatantly telling someone to kay why ess, hurt themselves, giving them some type of violent threat, or are doxxing them, you’re a disgusting person and no better than the people who commit said actions you’re against.
If you’re a proshipper and bullying kids, you’re also apart of the problem. Be the bigger person and block/report.
No, not all proshippers are creeps, some are just people who are anti-censorship, sick of PC culture and ship said ships out of spite, and/or don’t actually like anything bad themselves.
No, not all antis are annoying harassers, stalkers, or minors, some are people who are genuinely concerned about the questionable work you put out or may expose to minors/victims. Also, the lack of restrictions of minors in NSFW spaces is…sus -_-
Yes, there are predators in proship spaces, but there are also predators in antiship spaces, and literally everywhere else on the internet. This isn’t a ship problem, it’s a fandom problem.
Antis who claim that neutral people are just as bad as proshippers, actually push us away. You aren’t making us want to side with you. In fact, you’re doing the opposite. Most people who are neutral/position-less are actually people who really don’t care. Why? Because ships and fandoms don’t engulf our lives, and we actually have more important things to worry about than bullsh!t that strangers online are fighting about.
No, not saying anything or having a position on a topic is not inherently condoning it, it’s just not involving yourself in the problem. -_- It’s hard to really speak about something that’s not on your radar.
No, literally nobody in real life cares, or will care, about this debate. Most people (surprise, surprise) don’t really care about fandoms in general. (Amazing I know). Frankly, I’ve seen people on both sides that are waaaay to invested in this discourse and need to go outside. If you are super passionate about literal internet discourse, go to the park and touch grass.
Antis who are minors, I can genuinely tell you, that no, bosses in the real world really don’t care about what their employees do as hobbies outside of work. If you actually tried to contact employers about NSFW art (of fictional characters) that an employee drew on their own free time, unless you give them actual evidence of them acting inappropriately towards real people, they will ignore you. It is only a concern if that person has actually expressed illegal behavior which could put actual people in danger. (BDSM art of All Might and Deku isn’t going to get someone fired).
Antis, yeah, people will find problematic ships gross, if you tell someone about them. But, unless they are actively involved in internet fandom culture, which the vast majority of people aren’t, they’ll completely forget about it 5 mins later.
Proshippers, no, people in real life don’t care about what you ship in your private life, but if you make your whole identity about your ship, or proshipping, people will think you’re a creep. You’re chronically online. Get a hobby outside of internet discourse.
I will unfollow problematic people, and people who have caused harm, but if you tag me because I’m following a proshipper, simply because they are a proshipper, and have not actually been a perve to real children, I’m not unfollowing them. And if you pester me about it, I will unfollow, block, and report YOU. Who I follow is my business, and I will not tolerate being harassed over Twitter drama. Buzz off.
I will also not unfollow someone who identifies as an anti, or simply criticized your ship if you do not give me evidence of them actually harassing people. I am allowed to have an opinion and engage with people who have similar disapproving opinions. Who I choose to interact with is my business alone.
I’m not un-tweeting a tweet just because a self proclaimed “proshipper” or “anti” tweeted it. Good art is good art, and good takes are good takes.
Some of you overuse the word “p£do” in references to ships. I don’t care how you view it, a ship between an adult and a minor that has a 2-3 year age gap is not p€dop1llic. This age gap is completely common among teenagers in real life, and you’re honestly sheltered if you think that’s automatically predatory. A 16 year old dating an 18 year old is a LOT less worse than a 20 year old dating a 30 year old, and the latter isn’t any less predatory or weird just because they’re both adults.
No, ships between two adults with a very large age gap, are technically not p€doph1llic, either. They may be predatory in nature, and you may perceive them as wrong and gross, but if it ain’t already illegal in real life, then it definitely ain’t on paper.
It doesn’t matter if she’s 1000 years old, we all know what the underlying intention of that character design is, buddy.
Speaking of underlying intentions, there’s a lot of unspoken racism and xenophobia rampant in anti-spaces…like more so than in pro-ship spaces. Racism is everywhere in fandoms, but white, western antishippers are…a particular breed…oozing with arrogance and ethnocentrism.
Thanks for reading my rambling novel if you made it to the end, this is just a venting post. I hate discourse.
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odinsblog · 1 month ago
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sysig · 5 months ago
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Softly, slowly, I want to love you anyway (Patreon)
#Doodles#ISaT#Loop#Isabeau#Siffrin#Sloopis Sloopis Sloopis#Top tier polyship heck yes#Poor Loop :'0 Give them love now!!!#Kinda-sorta inspired by my Loop fic - that transformation had to be difficult ;;#The ones with Isabeau are deffo more Star of Your Dreams tho <3 Isa's so sweet weh#Loop honey letting people in is like The Thing that will help The Most#Always deflecting giving outs letting people off the hook at their own expense :'( Pushing others away is easier than letting them see ;;#It's why Isa's such a good boy!! He genuinely wants to know to be close to see the real them - both of them!!!#It's work but it's worth it <3#And obviously Sif understands haha#If ever a pair needed some self-love it was these two like Sheesh#Loop still wouldn't make it easy hehe <3 They're just like that#It'd be so easy for Sif to accidentally hurt them and need to backtrack and it's worse because Loop would Get It#They understand each other so intrinsically and yet Sif still has - will always have - a victory that Loop never got to ;;#Even loving each other and sharing what they currently have it's still a painful reminder of what they left behind :'0 Loooop </3#They really are fun to draw hehe Loop's eyes are so pretty ♪ And actual sparkles on the dark gradient this time! Yes!#I debated whether I wanted their tears to be visible - blotted out by how bright their head is? But went with it for expression reasons#Gods can you imagine how beautiful their tears would be tho? Little prisms splitting up their white light#Although that would imply colour lol - I mean if Anyone Would have a bit of colour it Would be Loop sooooo#Hmngh love 'em
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andrewckeeper · 4 months ago
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LIDMF AI "Not the Same Street"
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boostockingbaby · 1 year ago
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fictional psychologist/psychiatrist alignment chart
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white-weasel · 18 days ago
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It’s called Saw because once you’ve seen it then you’ve saw it!!!!
(Aka closet Amanda Young cosplay I did to see Saw in theaters for its 20th anniversary showing!)
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incorrect-ninokuni · 10 months ago
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Esther: If you took a shot for every bad decision you've made, how drunk would you be?
Oliver: Maybe a little tipsy.
Drippy: Drunk.
Swaine: Wasted.
Marcassin: Dead.
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marsixm · 4 months ago
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well that was….. A Movie
#i have too many thoughts. unfortunately#its kinda hard to see this so long after it came out bc the humor feels soooo mid 2010’s and its debatable how well its aged#all i know is personally i feel like the dc mvoie#*dc movies have done a better job in recent years doing this specific r rated humor focused anti hero stuff#also like i for one love a comedy and love things having a humorous streak#but this is like a really standard grey action#*movie but then it puts all the humor on one character and that doesnt worklike at all lmao#like the really good parts are when hes with the other 2 funny characters (the bartender and the old lady)#they also like didnt do enough at all with lampooning superhero tropes? like at all???#it would have been so easy to have a standard superhero#movie but just lampoon it the whole time and instead they just… had that movie and like idk#fmcndkfndk like???#one of the few saving graces was in universe acknowledging that deadpool is annoying lol#but yeah generally it had a lot of ELEMENTS of good stuff just. not mixed well together#this truly is the granddaddy of reddit movie tho#like its not le epic win bacon bc thats more early 2010.#this is like. those milennial cookbooks that are hiphopified by just adding swear words. for some reason#torn bc i feel like i should judge ppl for this being so popular but im like not surprised that it would have mass appeal#on the surface i get the appeal of ‘a superhero BUT HE CURSES OOOOH’ and just generally taking things less seriously#it just sucks that the entire rest of the movie takes itself perfectly seriously#but not enough to have weird little annoying plot holes#also cant rly judge the guy who said he loved these movies hes a nerdy 38 yr old mild mannered white man. this was made for him.#this is elder milennial dadsk Wells For Boys
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rosicheeks · 4 months ago
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tinyfantasminha · 1 year ago
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Brazilian twst AU where shaftlands is in Serra Gaúcha
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angelkittycore · 7 months ago
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maybe forming an entire pride movement behind self diagnosing and highly controversial disorders that can land people in prison or on the sex offender registry is where society started to go wrong.
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astralartefact · 6 months ago
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Paper Menphina and the Paper-thin Apocalypse Anomb, Konomb, 2Binji and 2Pinji
For anyone who missed the first post there is no coherent explanation for this.
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mika-you-nerd · 4 months ago
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One day I am going to invite someone over and we’re going to do a debate bracket on who is the hottest bullet train character
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miscellaneous--bones · 4 days ago
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anyone here remember naomi? its been a minute...
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lifeofcynch · 11 months ago
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it really is a weird feeling when you’ve had a specific opinion for like years and only recently start to be like ‘hm is this worth it? is this really the hill i want to die on?’
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asahicore · 2 years ago
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guess who just aced an oral exam in GERMAN of all languages... im never shutting up about this im a whore for academic validation so im gonna be so happy for the next few days.. nothing bringing me down anymore !
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