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The Compound

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Thoughts on the Nier raids?

They're about 20% too long but otherwise I don't mind them. I've never played the Nier games, but I have heard a lot about them from my partner, so I've got the gist of the lore. The mechanics are neat even if I can't remember how some of them work and have to just follow the crowd, and it always reminds me of the story where Yoko Taro asked Yoshi-P what kind of human he was trying to create by making a game where you just had to die repeatedly to learn mechanics (apologies if I butchered the phrasing, I can't find the original source anymore). The glams are top tier, I use the tall fending boots in most of my outfits. The building that comes up through the floor to squish you in the final fight is the Square Enix office building.

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NieR Reincarnation The People and the World Satellite Spoilers, Feelings and a lot of YoRHa:Dark Apocalypse

Please read this post imagining silent sobbing in the background...

First off, I liked what they did with 10H, just skipping a recap entirely and making her Mama's ally right from the outset while leaving the in-between after the story we already knew for the EX Story.

speaking of which, I loved that they gave that ex story a straightforward happy ending (also, the carnation for reincarnation is just... so cute) I was so afraid that it was going to end with Mama betraying her again, but she didn't q___q And it makes Mama calling her 'our special girl' before the chapter hit so much harder q___q I love you Mama q___q

(also, food for thought, her ex story's name 'copied floral silhouette'... silhouettes are black on white, so it implicates a copied black flower)

I was thinking what the fuck they were going to do with her RoD story in the distant future though... but alas, I only opened Twitter after doing all of that.

So let's talk about it, I didn't expect it to EoS in APRIL. WHAT THE FUCK THAT'S SO SOON!! And I wasn't even expecting them to do another Season or anything, the story is in a perfect place to stop, all I was expecting them to do was drag it out a little bit longer with a skeleton crew only releasing RoDs and Costumes for a year or so until they didn't feel like it anymore - but this soon??? I guess the next NieR game must be closer than I initially thought, why would they just end it, surely they could have kept up the servers for a few more months with how much money and time they've put into the character models and stuff...

I do hope a Offline Version is coming, mainly so I can finally unironically call it the best NieR game without the looming "But it's a Gacha" threating my credibility as a... I don't have credibility, why am I even worried about that

Needless to say, my dream of #AnoggForReincarnation is probably dead in the water... But we'll get to her, because I have thoughts.

Two Big things from the Chapter that I want to talk about:

No.1: It's revealed that Humanity had a plan to "return" (to Reincarnate, if you will) after their Extinction

No.2: The "Earth" we return to is just the Cage again, but whiter and snowier.

I have two theories for what the "Earth" we saw might have been:

a) It's a sort of Meta-Earth where every structure represents every possible parallel Earth in existence - like how we have a Drakengard Earth that's seperate from the Main NieR Earth that's seperate from Hina and Yuzuki's Earth.

b) They don't use Earth meaning planet, but Earth as the place where Humanity is - this is just where the Humans actually are right now, after all they don't just need a place to return to, they also need a place to return from as well.

A notable line here includes 10H confirming to Yuzuki that the Round Egg in the Background (ROUND EGG, ROUND EGG, ROUND EGG!) "must be" the Cage, but that it's "not supposed to be here."

You know another Round Egg that can move around to anywhere it feels like at will and also contains the entirety of Human Memories within it? Well of course, It's time for me to bring up the only thing I ever talk about, YoRHa:Dark Apocalypse!

I've brought up before that there are certain similarities Anogg displays with Noelle's Introductory Chapter and at the time I thought that Noelle's whole deal might be involved in the creation of the Pseudo-Seed from Y:DA. But now that her backstory is fully revealed I actually think it's the other way around.

We now know that Noelle is actually a Human Clone that was created from a human after Humanity disappeared - but that makes it impossible that the Y:DA Pseudo-Seed was based on her if we do consider it to be the same or even just a copy of the Cage, because as we now know the Cage is part of Humanity's plan to Return - which means it must have existed before experimentation on Noelle even started.

Basically I think that Noelle was created using the same technology that was used to create the Cage - a Seed of Destruction. Which - if she actually is one of the pre-established "Dragon Weapons" - is actually pretty likely, because we know Accord had her fingers in making those Weapons happen and we know thanks to countless cameos that the Cage is Accords whole thing - and Accord is really the first and probably only person we know who could even possibly provide a Seed to do that with in the first place.

So while I had thought before that what we see the Red Girls do and what we see Anogg do in Y:DA with and/or caused by the Pseudo-Seed was just from whatever the Red Girls did to it, I think it's now much more likely that that's just how the Cage functions that the Red Girls copied. What if the Cage doesn't just store them, what if it can also Recreate Humanity when the time is right? And they were going to set that in motion after YoRHa defeats the Machine Lifeforms - which just doesn't seem to happen?

Or maybe Humanity's plan was to shoot themselves into space and recreate their entire planet where ever they land, just like the Tower/Cannon the Red Girls create and the Dark Apocalypse they chime in on Norvrandt!

Whatever it turns out being, I think Humanity turned a Seed of Destruction into a literal Seed of Resurrection. And wouldn't that be poetic as fuck. long live optimism, humanity is good sometimes

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Red Mages vs Red Girls

So on the Red Girl fight in Tower at Paradigm's Breach, another RDM and I had the same idea and no one else using our Alliance Limit Breaks...

Edited to remove all the NPC chatter and the innocent who've had their eyes seared. Transcript:

YellowA-Brynhildr: mY EYES

PurpleA-Goblin: TWO of them

GreenC-Balmung: *VerFlashbang*

Aeryn Striker (me!): there's 4 of us in this raid, no one's eyes are safe

YellowA-Brynhildr: f e a r

PurpleA-Goblin: only you (other dps) can prevent eye damage

OrangeA-Goblin: doesn't have to be dps

PurpleA-Goblin: yeah but if we have to use the other ones i think we are in more trouble than a verflashbang

YellowA-Brynhildr: more flashbang pls

(sadly this final request was not met, as the other DPS stepped up a bit quicker on Her Inflorescence)

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LATER TODAY: Our tragic tale ramps up to its finale as we dive back into Final Fantasy XIV and the YoRHa: Dark Apocalypse raid series! Hope to see you there!

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gpose time with 2B

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An unnecessarily long essay/rant abt the Nier raids in ffxiv bc I feel cheated lol

The ffxiv Nier alliance raid series is such a letdown because the raids themselves are SO fucking good. Oh my god. As a Nier Automata fan there was just so much cool stuff. I haven't touched Replicant or the Drakenguard series, but man everything was so cool. All the references were top notch. No notes I ADORE the Nier raids as pieces of content.

HOWEVER

The story is so ass I'm sorry 🤮Like I physically do not have the strength to continue after unlocking Tower at Paradigm's breach.

I wouldn't have minded Konogg and Anogg being the main perspective characters if the whole thing was just written better. As it stands I don't think I cared about them at all until like the third act of the story where I started to get worried for them. Like they were occasionally funny but other than that they don't really have the most compelling anything, really. At least, it's not compelling until said third act. I'm not gonna say that everything peaked at the third act- I think a lot of stuff was just kinda lost by then- but the third act tries to pull at your heartstrings and it just feels like such an undeserved moment. It's such a last ditch effort to get the player to care about them and it kinda worked? But also, too little too late.

I think coming at Nier's sci fi elements from the angle of a fantasy world that's still largely stuck in a more archaic age was the right move so obviously the main perspective characters couldn't be androids. But I just wish the androids were actually in it more? And like explained their presence? And actually had more weight to their presence overall???

I feel like if I didn't like Automata so much I wouldn't have gone as far as I did. There is definitely something to be said about how differently Automata structures it's story compared to ffxiv, but I don't think it would really be a crime to lean towards one of them. Automata is much more vague and it often doesn't show you the full picture and I think that's what they tried to do but it fell flat just because the story felt like it didn't have a message or theme. It felt largely aimless and like that's fine sometimes for ffxiv- but raid quests in ffxiv always have something.

Like the Crystal tower raids were a delight and brought insight into the Allagan empire + set up Shadowbringers. The Bahamut raids kind of give Alisaie something to do during ARR and serves as a direct link to FFXIV's failed 1.0 launch. The Alexander raids... are mid lmao but I do think the themes of time and cycles was neat and fits really well into the wider narrative of ffxiv. The Omega raids were amazing development for Cid and I am ALWAYS a sucker for stuff about machines becoming human. Also Alpha is just the best. My point is; yeah, ffxiv raid stories aren't always the BEST but they at least have something to say. The Nier raids are literally just the raids and then the cool fashion WHICH I APPRECIATE thank you. I swear the 2B bottoms gave your character's ass extra polygons. (unrelated but not really, I heard the Heavensward Alliance raids r really fun but I keep putting them off for some reason lmao. Soon, trust. I finished Shadowbringers way too quickly I gotta find shit to do)

So yeah I guess that's just my beef with the YoRha Dark Apocalypse storyline. It's just so nothing. Automata and ffxiv are two games with amazing (albeit very different) writing. Both of them with profound themes and messages- and you'd think a crossover event between these two would have some semblance of a story but no <3 We can't have anything in this fucking house.

Sorry I am just kinda disappointed in this because when I saw 9S in the copied factory as a boss I thought this was going to be some cool dark Nier Automata timeline where 9S has already lost 2B- but no. And yk maybe I wouldn't have minded if I was proven wrong if the story actually utilized the Nier Automata universe at all.

(gonna get into mad spoiler territory for both games here oop-)

Like I think what could have been really interesting is WoL teaming up with the YoRha androids as they both battle the truth of everything. WoL and 9S have both fought for gods that were really just one huge lie. The revelation that Hydaelyn is a primal in Shadowbringers is such an insane thing to find out at this point in the story. I guess it would kinda require one to go into the post ShB content more but still my point still stands. WoL finds out the goddess that has made them everything they are is no different than the things routinely poses a threat to their world, and 9S finds out that humanity- his "god"- has been extinct for thousands of years. Idk I'm just spit balling ideas here. It's really a shame because obviously Shadowbringers is fucking peak, but the Eden raids were also so good. Like we could have had three for three but I feel like they kinda just half assed the Nier story.

Anyways

If I'm feeling cute I might rewrite the entire YoRHa x FFXIV storyline.

(This is a lie I have started drafting it already. Which is not the best thing for me to do bc I already have my major project/hyperfixation in the form of Hellbound and my last crossover fic got rlly popular and then I just kinda abandoned it so... yeah I don't have the greatest track record when it comes to these things. If I feel really ambitious I might make it a whole machinima thing but I shudder to think abt the editing that would take tbh. But likeeee I have lotsa ideas because I think Nier and FFXIV's themes would mesh rlly well together. Also it already has a title bc of course it does. It's YoRHa: Neo Fantasy. Yeah yeah it's cheesy whatever let me live.)

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I am the drag-on dragoon (drag as in crossdressing).

Had to change my hair twice to make the YorHa headband fit, but I like the ponytail. Outfits are:

copied factory maiming gear, no gloves, with high house boots, in gunmetal black

ureaus coat in wine? red dye, craftsman's leather trousers, same boots, and rimless glasses

anemos trueblood armor cuirass with dragonlancer gloves, pants, and boots, along with a durium hairpin, all in ruby red

(spicy pics below)

Did you know 2B's leggings and panties make your but slightly bigger than with either tights or bikini bottoms? Thanks Yoko Taro

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Wondering what the fuck happened on The First for Nier stuff to be here

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last night's alliance raid clears

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Shadowbringers felt like a lot of threads from previous expansions finally coming to a head; I think they should have made Crystal Tower required from the start, but it pulls in from multiple raid stories as well as the Ascians after a much-needed expansion rest in Stormblood, and brought back Minfilia and the Warriors of Darkness. Lots of threads.

Lots of Ishikawa taking her plotlines and characters and putting them center stage, after creating many and having other writers kill them off or turn them into something else, so I can't entirely blame her. And there is definitely a shift in how the story is told.

Stakes are high, and while there is death--tragic and horrific at times--it's not the only way to raise the stakes, or to draw out player emotions. The Scions get far more screen time than previously thanks to Trusts, finally feeling like your actual Final Fantasy party members in other games.

And boy are Thancred's years-long mental health, emotional turbulence, and interpersonal issues on display. His and Ryne's relationship is fraught and difficult; if Shadowbringers was a tragedy, the trolley duty would have turned out much differently. But this is, despite all the darkness, a story of hope, and as a hero character, Thancred does what Ran'jit and Emet-Selch can't--puts the past behind him, makes peace with that, and becomes a better man for his daughter's sake.

(It was still a rough and weird time to be a Thancred fan, though. And I've taken to copying and annotating their textual interactions, cuz it's often not as horrible as folks think, or we're listening to one perspective and their assumptions at a time, but it's still so hard to navigate, and too close to many real life difficult relationships.)

The others don't get quite the development this go-round, but we see the culmination of Alphinaud's from the spoiled brat we met in ARR to his reactions to Vauthry and dedication to Eulmore here. Urianger finally shows his face (and dem guns!) and has his moments, using his capacity for subterfuge to move the plot along from the background again (exasperating Y'shtola the whole while).

There is a lot of build and the idea that finally unified as a team, the Scions are nigh unstoppable...until Mt Gulg. The Disc 2 villain's defeat leading to the Actual Final Boss is very classic FF, and the beats hit well, because the set up of the previous 8 levels works to build to it. It's not just spinning wheels, it leads into why the Tempest and that final trial with Hades hits so well on all levels. I wondered how they planned to top it. Especially since Emet-Selch raised the bar so far as sympathetic while still horrific frenemy antagonists go. Excellent animations, voice work, and storytelling combine to make one of the more memorable characters in the franchise.

(Even my WoW-playing roommate, who learns anything FF14 against her will, knows him as "that skunk striped villain everyone's in love with.")

The patches are a bit of a mess. Elidibus needed a little more grounding and work to make his slip out of control and into immediate threat land, and the Scions really didn't know what to do with him for 2 whole patches. But the solo duty in Amaurot was good, and Seat of Sacrifice is still an amazing trial in all ways; we get the long-anticipated "Warrior of Light" battle, and the music hits (especially after learning about how and where and when Soken composed that), and the surprise cameo almost had us missing the tank LB first time through. The long denouement and goodbye tour works to tie it all up.

I miss job/class quests, but I get it; we have over 20 jobs now. They already struggled making all their quests serviceable, let alone good. Role Quests being more focused works much better (and now with duty support one can level 1 job of each to get the story and not worry about other players). The Virtue Hunters leading into another thread wrap up with the Void Quests is great...at the time; it makes the EW patch story a little weird now, honestly. I wish they weren't locked behind that much effort and content. Everyone needs to get Cyella as the midnight visitor (I think of her as the "true option" there) and experience her story as it ties so much together for our fallen fellow WoLs and Norvrandt's history, and into the 13th.

I have no problems with Eden; the story works, has a creepy villain with understandable motivations in context with the greater story, gives great world lore, pays homage to one of my first and favorite classic FFs.

Bozja was way better mechanically and how the story was parceled out than Eureka. They do the war torn battlefields well, but that means Eureka's more visually interesting. Also I maintain Bozja's areas are too big and waiting on Fates to pop for group content sucks. Still better than trying to coordinate Arsenal runs, though.

I loved the glimpses we had of the Gaius and Estinien buddy cop storyline through Garlemald. The RP duty at the end of 5.1 is really great. I'm still sad they abandoned the Shadowhunter plotline so abruptly, though, even if we handled the Unsundered.

Werlyt...I may give another chance when Iyna gets there. Taken all at once, expecting the mundane horrors of Valens' scenes, there is good stuff in that series; I think spread over patches, with the shock factor scenes, and how disjointed some of it is, and who the focal character is, led to a lot of disgruntlement. I do still think the WoL's minimal involvement with the characters and plotbeats outside of beating up the mechs is a core problem, though. But a lot of it comes down to "trying to fit an entire Gundam season into 5 patch quests" and having to accept the shorthanding of those familiar plotbeats--which if not a mecha anime fan, can be a lot to ask.

And YoRHa's such a missed opportunity it's ridiculous. I'm still salty and always will be, as I was looking very forward to seeing how such a rich world and story would fit into FF14--and it doesn't. Great fights, great glamour, great music, I like the characters. Story started strong, ended with a wet fart. Again, de-centering the player characters and having major events happen offscreen is not a good idea. We're not playing FF14 to be the NPCs is some other heroes' story (that conceit is better handled in FF14's own framework). Auteurs who can't play even temporarily in someone else's sandbox should not be strong-armed into doing so when they so clearly...don't want to. For those who love the NieR series, it was a fun reference-fest. For those completely unfamiliar with the games, it was infuriatingly confusing (and the dismissal of that dissatisfaction from YT fans made it worse at times).

Shadowbringers is immersive (I just didn't even consider that I had the ability to return to the Source at any time while plowing through MSQ initially), draws together a ton of storylines and plot threads scattered through the previous 3 expansions to resolve many--and leave us asking new questions, throwing everything we thought we knew about the world, and even the WoL, into confusion. It's highs soar to new levels; it's lows are...actually pretty good, too, there's merit to be found in all of the content; even if a story doesn't hit, the gameplay, combats, music, glamours, updates to older content, flight in ARR--there's something for everyone.

I do think some of the ARR streamlining went too far in some places. We lost a good Scion chain in the Sylphlands, and the "Pray at Azeyma's Marker" quest post-Waking Sands. On the other hand, tossing water on a drunk at Buscarron's Druthers is no longer a 12-step process. You win some, you lose some.

And we're without Hildibrand this time. The Inspector take a break, there's enough going on, we coulda used some levity after...all that...but they wanted a good story worthy of him. And the work they put into the animations and cutscenes, using them as testing grounds.

So next we Walk to the End, to help those in need, find missing friends, and learn the final truths of Hydaelyn, Zodiark, the WoL's ties to this grand arc, and what is up with this little blue bird...

Shadowbringers took Emet-Selch from ARR Lahabrea levels of mustache twirling, Saturday Morning Cartoon villain. All monologue and evil laughter while his evil boobs malevolently boobed down the Post-Stormblood's darker breast boobily and changed him into an actual character. And the first Ascian who actually spent time with us in a more meaningful way. Flipping them from one note, evil that must be defeated. To one we came to understand and a group that connected to our character's literal past reincarnation that we do not recall.

Additionally, atmospherically, Shadowbringers brought us to Post-Apocalypse that wasn't 28 Days Later, Mad Max or Rapture-esque. While pulling from all those series. Its a world 100 years after the Apocalypse was averted but still causes the world to live in its shadow.

This expansion seems to be the beloved darling of the community. Even topping Heavensward in most regards. But, also, personally, I feel like Shadowbringers is only good Shadowbringers for the last three levels of it. And rest is just so much set dressing and putting together the A-Team. For lack of a better comparison, 70 - 79 is our Avengers Infinity War. We get the band back together, fight off the big bad and actually almost win. But then we lose and we lose HARD and we spend a handful of quests somewhat wandering aimlessly until we resolve to go after the one who took victory away from us. That lead up, to me, is alright but the story didn't really HIT, outside of my long winded story analysis reasons, until we reach Amaurot.

Even its Post-Patches seemed to struggle to figure out what to do. Having Elidibus bounce hither and thither without the Scions really trying to stop him because, "We don't know what he is up to." which was counterproductively frustrating to me. You are literally not stopping and banishing the villain so the plot can happen. Alisaie literally kept tabs on the Warriors of Darkness because we were focusing on dealing with Nidhogg. Why the hell couldn't they have kept tracked and harassed Elidibus at least? But no, the sky starts to shower stars and then it is go time. And while To the Edge and the Seat of Sacrifice are awesome. My suspense of disbelief that our Scions would just shrug and only off screen keep tags on lesser Ascians and then just be like, "I dunno fellas, this here Elidibus is tricky." strikes me as dense. Like, this is denser than a dead star. They let things happen for the sake of it happening.

Bottomline, there is some wiggle room here. Shadowbringers may be the community's darling. But I wonder if, its just because we remember the super highs of Amaurot to Seat of Sacrifice. And kind of brush things like; the Ran'jit fights, the Supernatural problem of Lucifer's Cousin's Roommate being the big bad in Lunar Primals, Thancred's treatment of Ryne and Speedrunning him some redemption in the Amh Araeng second half.

I'm rambling now, as a whole. Did you enjoy Shadowbringers? If not why? Vote your answer and leave your opinion in the tags if you'd like.

Note: I am aware that the Post-Patch production was stunted by the COVID Pandemic. Still, I'd like your opinion about anything you felt lacking. Even with that dead whale hanging over the entire thing.

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Paper Menphina and the Paper-thin Apocalypse Anomb, Konomb, 2Binji and 2Pinji

For anyone who missed the first post there is no coherent explanation for this.

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