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Good Tweet Post That Sums Up Everything Wrong With Stolas As A Person
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Couldn't have summed it up better about Stol-ass.
#helluva boss#helluva boss critical#vivziepop critical#vivziepop criticism#vivziepop#helluva boss criticism#helluva boss critique#anti-vivziepop#hazbin hotel#hazbin hotel critical#stolas#stoals critical#stolitz critical#stolas critical#stella and octavia deserve better#twitter
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Stella and Andy are so obnoxiously cartoonishly evil that they make the Wet Bandits look like Hans Gruber by comparison. Seriously, is being evil their only character trait? Even the Disney Villains have more character depth and subtlety in their villainy.
#disney#vivziepop critical#anti vivziepop#helluva boss critical#vivziepop criticism#anti stolitz#anti stolas#stella helluva boss#disney villains#helluva boss andrealphus#andrealphus helluva boss#save via#save octavia#justice for octavia#octavia#octavia deserves better
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If Stella really was abusive from the start like S2 claims, Stolas should have divorced her as soon as Octavia was born and raised her by himself away from his abusive wife.
But no, Stolas apparently stayed in a toxic marriage for 17 years even though he wouldn't have lost ANYTHING had he divorced!!! The bird man literally only divorced Stella after he slept with Blitzø (his booty call), which means that Via grew up in a toxic household all her life (according to S2 at least; S1 tells us something completely different about the Stolas/Stella relationship aka that it wasn't arranged marriage, here's a great post as to why).
Moral of the story: Stolas is a selfish pos who only divorced Stella to thirst over Blitzø, his victim (not for Octavia to have a "normal life")
He was the one who didn't intervene from the start by getting Stella away from himself and (especially) his only child, and let Via grow up in an abusive home for all those years.
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In my opinion Stella had the most missed potential but my fav of these characters is Octavia.
#anti hazbin hotel#hazbin hotel criticism#hazbin hotel critical#hazbin hotel critique#anti hazbin#hazbin critical#helluva boss criticism#helluva boss critical#anti helluva#anti helluva boss#helluva critique#helluva boss critique#helluva critical#helluva criticism#vivziepop critique#anti vivziepop#viv stuff#fuck vivziepop#vivziepop critical#vivziepop criticism#vivziepop slander#Vaggie deserved better#angel deserved better#sir pentious deserved better#Moxxie deserved better#Millie deserved better#octavia deserved better#Stella deserved better
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You know what? I realise why the Sinsmas episode is pissing me off so much, it's because it's juggling so many different ideas that it doesn't spend enough time committed to a single one. Let me just break it down the way I see it...
The first idea we're introduced to is one about Stolas' depression but then when he sits down with Blitz we're introduced to the idea of Stolas' poverty.
The previous ideas are what you think that the episode might focus on until you get hit with the Octavia B-Plot. Okay! A-Plot is about depression and poverty, B-Plot is about Stolas not being able to contact Octavia... (I might be using those terms incorrectly, but you get the idea,)
But THEN you get Sinsmas introduced which is about the idea of indulging in your sins, which is shown to be important to the audience because it's expressed in dialogue, right? Wait, no, it's about Stolas's depression/poverty, okay then....
But THEN you cut to the office and we get a Millie and Moxxie bonding scene, so you think, "wait, is there going to be another DIFFERENT plotline introduced into this episode about their relationship??" AND YOU GET MORE ABOUT SINSMAS, multiple shots about the holiday and the idea of indulging in your sins!! So wait, the idea of Sinsmas IS an individual idea from the depression/poverty point? Or isn't it??
Stolas sobs on the phone, there's a very obvious depression/poverty breakdown, but then we get MORE NEW SHIT introduced because it's about Stolas' cheating. And I understand that that's meant to tie into Octavia's B-plot, but there's a subtle difference between that and THIS that adds another layer of shit on top (elaborated on later).
Which, BTW, I just wanna point out how this idea is contradictory to the Sinsmas idea since CHEATING is about INDULGING in LUST - as is established in your PREVIOUS. IMPORTANT. SEASON ONE FINALE... So WHY would you make a character shame a sin that's meant to be in the process of being celebrated which confuses the Sinsmas idea and was also the CORE of the Stolitz will-they-won't-they before now?? If it was to trigger Stolas' breakdown you already HAD the poverty story beat, this is just needless and confusing redundancy??
So then we actually get to Octavia and we get a scene about the idea of Stolas and Octavia not being able to get in contact with each other - the B-Plot - and followed by her introspective song and the discovery of Stolas' pills. And now we suddenly feel like we're back to where we were MEANT to be, with the Octavia B-Plot taking a pause to cut back to the Depression A-Plot. This builds up tension as we naturally feel the two characters drawn together.
And theeeen it cuts to the I.M.Ps and I'm banging my head against the wall because you're like, "Oh! The Millie and Moxxie relationship idea! This is going to be about them!"
But then OH MY GOD a NEW idea is introduced about Blitz wanting a FAMILY WITH STOLAS. I want to shoot someone because the cheating was a set up for Blitz to fantasise about wanting a family??? Is this meant to be a parallel to episode 1??? Am I meant to feel like Blitz has developed as a character?? In an episode that has been about every character OTHER than Blitz???
And then it's meant to be likeee like about Millie's pregnancy because she wants to kill the family instead of leaving them be, but it's also about Moxxie's relationship with her, but it's ALSO about being "demon enough" (WHATEVER THAT IS, IT'S NEVER ELABORATED ON), but it's also ALSO about Sinsmas.
Okay! Okay, back to the REAL plot except- Wait, Octavia walked in??? Wait, so this plot is now about Blitz wanting a family and he's going to bond with Octavia?? No! NO because they don't have any emotional connection and so there is no reason for this scene to exist if either way Blitz was going to know where Stolas went and Octavia was going to end up there as well anyways.
And can you tell I'm tired of writing at this point? Cus I'm losing my mind. FINALLY the A-plot and B-plot that should have been the center of the episode all along gets a fuck ton of screentime and it's beautiful and it's the peak of the episode.
And theeen it's back to Millie and you think, "Okay, so a big part of the pregnancy plot is clearly meant to be about Millie and Moxxie's relationship based on all the scenes we've gotten between them! That means that Millie and Moxxie are going to have some sort of important dialogue-" And then she WALKS OUT on him and she has her emotional moment with her sister! Which isn't a bad thing but need I remind you she isn't even in the center a FULL LENGTH episode, she's from a SHORT... WHY would you NOT integrate Sallie into a proper episode if she's going to be key to a future INCREDIBLY important plotline??
The episode ends with Blitz and Stolas and the credits roll blah blah blah...
This post is basically expands on some of the points of my post about my first impressions, because I just wanted to give a run down of the structure properly so you can understand why this episode is making me feel like I'm losing it. And I get it, if you put in the effort you can get an idea of how all the ideas were meant to tie together... But it doesn't! It's badly written! It makes me want to rip my hair out!
Ideas are established and then sit there uncomfortably without resolutions to them! Like even the shit. That was meant to be the main shit. The poverty and depression stuff? NO conclusion. Stolas says, "you don't have to refer to me as your highness" I guess?? But like, nothing to show him settling in with everyone else in the celebration to show he's like. Poor? And okay with it? By partaking in the holiday of those that are meant to be "beneath" him? No mention of his medication???
Just!! Okay. To understand the way shit in the writing could have been better, let me list some ways you could change the episode to be more coherent or cut down on redundancy if my points have so far not landed.
Establish Sallie towards the BEGINNING of the episode and her dynamic with Millie, and show how that compares to her relationship with Moxxie, and show WHY she would call Sally instead of talking with Moxxie first. If you're going to make the episode about family btw, this would be the point where Millie could bring up HER family and how much she values them or something in order to establish that as being important. Also, use this to explore what Millie and Moxxie's feelings on having a baby WOULD be, so that if there's conflict there then you have more understanding of why Millie made the decision she did.
Use the actual environment in the background of the montage to show the passage of time instead of it suddenly being Sinsmas. Have demons setting up holiday decorations, in the stores put up discount signs about a "Sinsmas sale!" This makes the story flow more naturally, as well as adds characterisation and makes Stolas' depression more real as he's shown to be so absorbed in his own world he doesn't even realise it's the holiday until Blitz brings it up.
Octavia's phone and the device she listens to music on is the same (I checked S1E2 to confirm it), which causes a sloppy writing issue. Like. If the episode is meant to show Stella is controlling and it's not Octavia's choice not to get in contact with Stolas, then you need to explain why she hasn't called him despite having access to her phone when Stella isn't around. If it were me, I would have had Stella lock it in a drawer that Octavia picks the lock on so she can listen to her music. THEN you can keep the original scene, OR (this is what I would have done) have her check her phone logs so you can see not only how many times Stolas has called but how much time has passed. Maybe this could also be used as another reason to drive her towards the closet as she hides from Stella and Andrealphus. Maybe this could be used as an interesting metaphor about her desire to leave but she doesn't know what she's going to do once she picks the lock on the door... Like how she could call her Dad now that she has her phone but she doesn't know what she'll do when she does... Something like that.
DON'T have Blitz and Via meet up if they're not going to interact. That entire scene is fucking pointless as is and I hate it. Either dedicate a PROPER amount of time and dialogue into making Blitz want to and try to connect with Via, or have them not talk at all. Cut out the whole thing about Blitz wanting a family with Stolas honestly, it's just not well explored enough.
Again with the sloppy writing, the gang did NOT need to stumble into a room of weapons to have weapons. That's pointless. They're assassins, they've been established to bring a stash of weapons with them to fights before. I can think of something much funnier where Moxxie is surprised by Loona's transformation and there's a joke made about her being a noble steed and Moxxie pulls out a sword only for Millie to be like, "Why did you bring that?" And Moxxie says something about how it's a posh weapon cus that's his thing. OR you could have some badass impromptu weapons the gang makes from the ice or they use Sinsmas decorations scattered around. IDK.
Already made my point about Stolas and the poverty idea. Show him settling in with the others during the celebration and him opening up to the idea that he's no longer rich or well respected. The "you don't have to refer to me as your highness" would work if the text bothered to show his mental state properly, instead of him just looking depressed and like he kind of hates everyone there.
Have Blitz PLEASE react to Stolas' depression. Like. Acknowledge it. And share his feelings about it. AND GIVE STOLAS HIS MEDICATION FFS he clearly has clinical depression!! Blitz is sooo head empty in this episode, PLEASE give him more internal thoughts other than :) I'm holding my head in my hands.
And I'm so tired of writing at this point I'm going to stop it there but I hope that was thorough enough to get across my points. And if not then I guess that speaks to how loopy this episode made me that I can't even articulate myself 100% because dear god.
#📚 my posts#📌 thoughts#helluva boss critical#<- im tagging this post as critical of hb because it is.#but i realise how funny that is considering a lot of people in the tag hate stolitz and they hate stolas even though im pro both of those#i also do think stella should be written better but i dont fucking stand by u guys who think that means redeeming her#im a stella hater. but i think she deserves to not be a whiny incompetent woman. you know? make her a complex villain.#anyways BASICALLY i like the episode when its about octavia and stolas' depression n stuff but i hate everything else.#it just drags down the episode and i dont feel satisfied by the end of it.#im busy trying to guess what the point of the episode is even up to the halfway point. thats bad. REALLY bad.#and viv CAN write good episodes because look at ozzie's. that's brilliant and coherent and the drama is so good.#but this episode is like.. jfc girl did someone read your script? did someone doublecheck the storyboards??? who let this ep thru unfinishe
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(Warning this post is going to be very anti Radioapple so don't read this if you like this pairing)
Are people seriously believing that Stolitz is a parallel to R*dioapple?!
Like I obviously can see the similarities from Lucifer and Stolas, both depressed fathers who are trying to connect with their daughters because they both are in complicated situations
But I don't really see how Alastor fits as Blitz as both of them are just different characters types in my eyes especially if their relationship with Lucifer and Stolas couldn't be more different
Stolas and Blitz know each other since their childhood and Blitz was Stolas first friend
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Then they met later after Stolas is an arranged marriage with Stella then they later start their situation ship for the grimoure and I am not going to summarize their whole relationship because most probably know about it anyway
Then there is Lucifer and Alastor, both meet because of Charlie, from the start they hate each other and Alastor starts to act like Charlie's father just to annoy Lucifer then, I don't think anything more really happened between them except them fighting
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Then there are also people who compare Lucilith with Stella and Stolas which honestly doesn't suprise me anymore because people seem to want an abusive Lilith so much so that Alastor can be Lucifer knight in charming armor so bad
But from what we know right now about the relationship between Lucifer and Lilith, it seems more to be the opposite of Stella's and Stolas
Stella and Stolas marriage was arranged from the start, there never was romantically interest in both Parties and they did it because they didn't had a choice really,Whereas Lucilith fell in love with each other because like in story at the beginning told us they both were dreamers, if anything you can see a slightly Resembles between Lucilith and Stolitz because in both situations a higher being fell in love with someone in lower position and their love caused trouble for them and just like Stolas, Lilith was in an forced marriage with Adam.
Lilith and Stella also can't really be compared to each other. Lilith, despite leaving for 7 years, seems to had before that a good relationship with Charlie that she despite seeing her mother not for years that she calls her when she needs emotional support like seen in the pilot. Despite not seeing much of the relationship between Stella and Octavia it seems like Stella was more a neglecting and maybe even emotional abusive parent like we seen in Sinsmas where we see drawings which Oktavia made as a child with only her and Stolas, Octavia also didn't really seemed to suprise how Stella acted while Stolas tried to call
Where Stolas hates deservingly Stella with a passion, we don't see that Lucifer has the same negative feelings towards Lilith and in the playbill it was said that he even misses his wife. It can of course be a possibility to miss an abusive partner but nothing we know yet about Lilith makes it seems like she was abusive towards Lucifer
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I already said in an other post how the family pictures are differently from each other, the Morningstar family seems to be happy and comfortable with each other where in the goetia family Stolas and Octavia seemed happy because of each other, Stella looks like she thinks about murdering Stolas
So right now there is nothing which shows that Lilith and Stella have a similar personality and the only thing the both seem to have in common in my eyes is that both of them are hot (Sorry)
If it actually turns out that Lilith is like Stella then i still can't see Alastor being like Blitz in this situation if anything he would resemble more Andreaphlus. Both of them tried to manipulate The respective daughters for their advantage, Andreaphlus to get make Stolas feel terrible and Alastor for his own agenda
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So right now I can't see how people say that the Stolitz and R*dioapple are similar if the dynamics and history between them is completely different
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Blitzo, Octavia, and Stella deserves to have a new and better life in toh world away from stupid Stolas
BASED.
#vivziepop critical#vivziepop criticism#helluva boss critical#helluva boss criticism#hazbin hotel critical#anti stolas#toh#the owl house#octavia deserves better#stella deserves better
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So uh, I kiiiinda forgot I had a HB-themed blog in the midst of me feeling the itch for HB redesigns... figured I'd might as well fix that with this recent Stolas family piece I did not too long ago-
(Now, as mentioned before on my DA post, I honestly have nothing against either Stolas, Octavia, nor Stella's canon designs.... Iiii just feel like as high-ranking demon birds, a lil "variety" tweaked in could lowkey go a long way the more I thought about it?)
Aaaand here, here's a quick lil rundown of what I had in mind for my own personal interpretations (AU, HC? Idk what exact term fits best but... *shrugs*):
DA Link~
For Stolas, I tried to tone down all the black & red from his previous design to a more "autumn sunset sky"-aesthetic (+ditched the big top hat 'cause like... you're a royal my dude, don't you just need a crown? lol), gave him a gradient starry cape instead of that old ripped one 'cause I always loved how the star cape looked on him from the "Ozzie's" episode, popped in some grey streaks in his hair, and then finally unified his outfit to a purple & black theme like a classic Disney villain~
For Octavia, I went with a classy "indigo night sky" vibe with lil gold accents, then shortened her hair to a fanned bob (kiiinda looking like bird wings, in a way?) along with adding some more "blended" features from her mom and dad just 'cause .3.
As for Stella... honestly I've fallen *way* too in love with the "Stella is a Swan" fan-theory ('cause yknow... she's all-white, black & pink beaked, elegant-looking but bitchy af in-person, etc.) that I couldn't resist incorporating more swan-y vibes to her design. Then I relaxed her big choppy hair to a more "refined" half-up/half-down style (+some extra feather tufts to still fit with her peacock bro Andrealphus), gave her more of a mermaid-shaped dress to fit her regal noble-lady vibe, then I simply left it a gradient pink/black in terms of colors 'cause... idk, it just reminded me alot of fancy Chanel-aesthetics~
#helluva boss#helluva boss stolas#helluva boss octavia#helluva boss stella#stolas goetia#stella goetia#octavia goetia#helluva boss art#helluva boss redesign#(kinda?) helluva boss critical#(*not rly tbh 'cause I -do- still enjoy the show... Iiiii just kinda can't help but feel a lil 'eh' at the writing lately?*)#(*like there's sooo so much potential in exploring a family of entitled & complex bird people...*)#(*-buuut idk how likely we'd get much of that with all the stolas focus lately? ^^;*)#(*nothing against the guy but still... I wanna see more of via & her story :c girl deserves better*)
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Seventeen - MARINA
You teach me how to behave
I felt you question the way
I was brought up as a baby owlet
Well you don't know fuck about my family
Could never tell you what happened
The day I turned seventeen
The rise of a king and the fall of a queen
Seventeen, seventeen
Never fell down like a princess
I used to kid myself in this stress
That it was just how things
Were meant to be
Oh, seventeen, seventeen.
#both octavia and stolas deserve better ❤️🩹#goetia? more like gaytia 😆#like mother like daughter#octavia of the ars goetia#asexual#stolas of the ars goetia#gay#stella of the ars goetia#pansexual#100% accurate#SoundCloud#helluva boss#sad but true#seventeen#MARINA
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In the Lesser Keys of Solomon, here are the number of legions some Goetial Demons rule :
. Paimon : 200
. Stolas : 26
. Andrealphus : 35
. Vassago : 26
. Vepar : 29
So yeah, it is an HC that Paimon just gifted his kids ( possibly 8 ) some of his many legions on their 18th birthdays
And then while Andrealphus may get 35 Legions from his parents, STELLA GOT NONE. On top of that, Octavia is implied to one day tak over Stolas' 26 legions
Yeah, I smell A LOT of internalised Envy and resentment on Stella's behalf ( aside from her disillusionment of Stolas, eventually realising that Stolas can never love the same way as she once ' loved ' him, that Stolas is more popular than she etc )
Still, that doesn't excuse Stella becoming increasingly abusive towards Stolas and tries to live vicariously through Octavia ( LUCKILY FOR ALL THAT DIDNT WORK HAAAAAAAAA )
#helluva boss#i hate stella#stolas#octavia#stolas and octavia deserved better#goetial demons#theories
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Just show the stockholme victim defending his abuser who deserves worse. And again f stolas and his stans. Octavia and stella deserve better than this pos prock who is babied by the narrative and now defended by brainless whote knights. And yes he does play victim instead of admit he's wrong. F him.
I know I talk a lot about antis. But I also wanted to show some of the anti-antis stuff I found. Here is the first one, enjoy 😊
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Yep. This is exactly what would happen if these characters were real. Blitzø would not stand for the antis shit! 😤
#helluva boss#helluva boss stolas#helluva boss blitzø#stolas critical#stolitz critical#helluva boss criticism#vivziepop critical#vivziepop#stella deseves better#octavia deserves better
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Concept: Stella Had Postpartum Depression
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It would show some complexity to her character especially again being forced to marry and have a kid at that age. It could be shown as tragic how everything took a toll on Stella that she isn't able to connect with her daughter at birth.
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So you're meaning to tell me Stella managed to fake being in a happy marriage with Stolas FOR 17 YEARS?? The same Stella who screamed at him and threw stuff at him and hired Striker to kill him as soon as she found out he cheated on her?? (implying she cared about him at least to some extent and that they were in love once before Stolas fucked Blitzø)
Stella never holds back when it comes to how she feels about things, she wouldn't bottle her emotions up for SO LONG or hold back, especially for a husband and daughter she supposedly gives 0 fucks about.
There's no way she hadn't been openly toxic/abusive towards Stolas at least ONCE during Via's childhood. There's no way Via never noticed how toxic/abusive her mother has always been towards her father, and neglectful towards her.
Stolas ruined things, according to S1 Octavia. And I get it, children sometimes don't notice what's going on behind the scenes with their parents' relationship, but in this context? I'm not buying it.
It smells to me like a typical case of Stolas being babied yet again. And for that to happen, Stella needs to be 100% evil abusive bitch instead of a real character with real feelings and a believable motivation.
#anti helluva boss#helluva boss critical#vivziepop criticism#helluva critical#fuck stolas#fuck vivziepop#stella goetia#octavia goetia#stella helluva boss#octavia helluva boss#stella#octavia#octavia deserves better#also no one ever asked stella how SHE felt in this arranged marriage#i can't blame stella i blame the shit writing of her character
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I know I give Via a lot of slack. Perhaps a bit more than I should. I know she can be childish, and a bit selfish, and it's not her dad's fault he's gay and not in love with Stella. I guess it's just...
I grew up with parents who "stayed for the kids", and you know what? It fucking sucked. Don't do that shit, seriously. Even if you coparent amicably, don't force yourself to stay for them. My mom was miserable my entire childhood, and I've only just now started to see her grow and be happy and content at twenty-five because she finally left him. I knew she stayed because she wanted me to be financially stable. I knew she didn't love him, and he didn't love her. And it hurt, so bad, to know I was the reason they didn't pursue their happiness.
Stolas chose to be miserable, for years, to give Octavia a "normal life", but all it did was make her feel like a burden. Like she was an obligation. And, to be fair, she kind of was- Stolas and Stella both had no option but to marry and have her. Even if they both did like each other, it doesn't change that Octavia was a mandatory addition by this uncaring, rich ass family.
It sucks, and it hurts, and Octavia deserves better than this shit.
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Interesting
Hell's royalty has a culture that enables Stella's abusive behavior.
Point 1: Keeping up appearances is valued above all else. And I specifically mean the appearance of things being the way they're supposed to be. Conformity basically.
Conformity in this culture seems to include a kind of stoic dignity ("you know excitement is unbecoming of a goetia"), an air of superiority ("don't bow to that one- he bows to us!"), and, of course, some good old fashioned toxic masculinity ("cease this bitch crying").
Individuals at the very top are not immune. Even though he gets past it, Asmodeus seems to spend a lot of time and effort on keeping his relationship with Fizz quiet in order to keep up the appearance of fulfilling his "lust" role.
Point 2: The members of the aristocracy who don't conform are seen as the problem, not the members who are being cruel.
Speaking of Ozzie, there's a chance he'll face real consequences for getting out of line . . . Mammon seems pretty confident about getting revenge. Also, if Ozzie had decided that his reputation was important enough to avoid stepping in to help his partner, well . . . I'm just saying. Cultures of conformity create bystanders who stand by and let abuse happen. So it's good that this guy has the courage (and a good heap of privilege and power) to enable him to step out. Yes, I realize that the crowd at Mammon's celebrated Ozzie and Fizz, but the crowd was distinctly NOT aristocratic.
Now look at Stella's party- this woman is not subtle about being cruel to her husband.
She calls the party a "Not Divorced" party. She openly talks negatively about Stolas in a blatant attempt to humiliate him. She's not trying to hide that she hates the man.
Because he's . . . an oddball. Gentle, not as polished as others in his social sphere, awkward and mostly friendless, probably autistic. And importantly, I think, not traditionally masculine.
So Stella has no need to hide that she treats him poorly. She's proud of it. And her social circle seems to support her in it, or at least, they don't push back. Because based on the aristocracy's unspoken (or if we look at Paimon, very much spoken) value system, Stolas's failure to fulfill all of his expected roles gracefully is worse than Stella's cruelty.
Point 3: Stolas's parenting, while much better than his own father's, still reflects this value system in some ways, and that's . . . complicated.
In some ways, Octavia is doing great. She has her own interests (music! gothy fashion!) that don't seem to be based on any role prescribed to her by others. She has a genuine bond with her dad that's based on care and not on molding her into some ideal princess.
But Stolas still puts on an facade in front of Via. We know that he pretended things were fine when they distinctly weren't for most of her childhood. We could argue endlessly about whether Stolas was right (as Georgia Dow explained in her video) or wrong to stop himself from explaining the situation with Stella to Via in Loo Loo Land, but honestly, the man could let his nearly grown up daughter know that abuse was happening without all out trauma dumping. It would enable her to make more informed decisions, and I think she would want to be able to do that.
Instead, Stolas keeps it to himself. Because he feels like Via SHOULD have this picture perfect childhood. Look at the pictures that are up in his palace. Look at his attempt to gloss over the fighting in the household by taking Via to an idealized childhood destination.
A part of him still thinks that good parenting is keeping up appearances, and that the ugly things are best kept hidden. Look at how hard he still tries to avoid crying in front of people. The values he was taught as a child are part of him.
And while it's not his fault (it's Stella's fault, obviously- these are HER actions), his inability to be open allows Stella and Andrealphus to scheme and (we'll see . . .) probably manipulate Via because of her lack of knowledge.
We're meant to see the moments where Stolas breaks expectations and behaves raw and even a little unhinged as triumphant. Sleeping with Blitz. That is the sound of a fucking divorce. Actually going through with the fucking divorce. Insisting on it. Appearances be damned.
And yeah, more of that please. Because if the people around Stella stop caring about aristocratic social trappings, all she'll have going for her is her shitty personality.
Thanks @akirathedramaqueen for inspiring this post with a conversation.
#stolas goetia#octavia goetia#all of this is so fucking correct and on point#only thing I'd add is that I think another factor of what's keeping him from telling Octavia about the ugly truth of his marriage is shame#many abuse victims - especially those who are men - feel deeply *deeply* ashamed of it#which is definitely not helped by the fact that when Stella is cruel to him in public his peers either ignore it or laugh at him#there's no way that part of him isn't scared Octavia will dismiss the abuse too or worse be disappointed in him for “letting it happen"#telling her about some of it now is a good call but battling through the shame and fear and admitting you're being abused is so hard#not to mention he's trying (in vain) to protect her from the pain he knows will come from learning her entire happy childhood was a lie#so the poor guy has multiple incentives to keep it hidden from her#and doesn't realize that by not telling her he's only delaying the inevitable and setting her up for a crash landing#Stolas is a ticking timebomb of trauma and tragedy and unfortunately for both of them Octavia was always going to be caught in the blast#just by virtue of being his child#there are things that could have been done to mitigate the damage#but he simply wasn't built to last in such a hostile environment for so long without any support or way to heal#royal society failed him so badly that even his best efforts couldn't prevent him from failing to protect her in as many ways as he hoped#and it's just going to get worse and worse before it even begins to get better#somebody please help these poor owls they don't deserve this#helluva boss analysis#addition +
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I''m busy thinking about how this part of the episode is supposed to directly mirror what's already happened in the show.
Ignoring the obvious s1 e1 reference, let's start with the backstory behind this hit.
Something that this show makes very clear is that she is supposed to represent Stella, for multiple reasons that I will point out in this post.
Instantly starts out with ex-husband, just like with Stella and Stolas.
The next line proceeds to mention daughters, which is obviously the show planting the seeds for the scene yet to come, the Stolitz family scene. The daughters are very clearly supposed to represent Octavia and Loona.
Plus, the whole 'Can't stand my ex-husband enjoying himself' thing is also supposed to mirror Stella in a way, because guess who else purposefully went out of their way to ensure that their husband/ex-husband never was able to truly enjoy himself.
"When he fucking left me for another man!", when he left me for another man who was able to show him actual, true happiness. Just like how Blitz did just that for Stolas.
I also really want to note Blitz's and Stolas' reactions to all of this, for Blitz, even though he knows almost nothing about Stella, you can already tell he's put some pieces together and realized 'oh shit, this is sounding extremely similar to what happened between me and Stolas.', especially considering the way he looked over at Stolas when she finished talking there.
Which explains why Blitz looks so nervous and trying to talk her out of carrying through with the hit, before just outright denying the request, because it hits way too close to home for him as well. With the next thing she says after this scene pictured below just nailing the similarities home to Blitz.
As for Stolas' reaction, you can tell even before this moment that he's also realized just how similar the whole situation is to his own, and that detail tells us that Stolas isn't just talking about the person the client wants dead, but also himself.
Stolas thinks he's selfish for choosing to be with Blitz, Stolas thinks that he deserves death because of his 'selfish' choice to be with Blitz. Stolas likely thinks at that moment that he deserved to be killed by Striker for his 'selfish' choice.
And well, the show definitely doubles down on showing us just how evil the client is, just like Stella.
Then we get to the moment where every single similarity undeniably falls into focus for Blitz. Blitz doesn't see a random gay couple with two daughters he's been paid double to assassinate a member of, he sees himself, he sees Stolas, and their own respective daughters all in the same room as each other, he sees his dreams for the future with Stolas, and their daughters.
He sees a future of domestic bliss with the four of them, the future he's hoping he can achieve some day.
And because of all of these similarities between the family and Blitz himself, he cannot bring himself to ruin a happy family, can't bring himself to ruin what they have, can't bring himself to ruin what Blitz dreams for, can't bring himself to kill the person he envisions as Stolas, and can't bring himself to ruin the family that he envisions as his own as well.
Plus, Blitz would never be able to truly forgive himself if he took that shot, if he killed that man and ruined the family Blitz places himself in. Blitz would see himself as being no better than Striker if he did take the killing shot.
Because, let's compare s2 e4 and this episode for a second.
"Ex-wife hires assassin to kill their ex-husband with a daughter for extremely evil and selfish reasons."
"Ex-wife hires assassin to kill their ex-husband with two daughters for extremely evil and selfish reasons."
Even if Blitz only understands the s2 e4 hit as "Unknown person hired assassin to kill father with a daughter for unknown reasons.", as I've pointed out before, everything about this assassination hits way too close to home for Blitz.
Blitz has probably already realized at that moment that if Striker had killed Stolas in s2 e4, all of his hopes and dreams of having a happy family with Stolas, Octavia and Loona would instantly go up in flames.
So, why would Blitz want to ruin a family that has what he hopes for in the future? Why would Blitz want to kill the person he envisions as Stolas? Why would Blitz want to kill the person he envisions as Stolas, especially when Striker almost very well killed Stolas, which would've ruined the dream Blitz has that we see here if Striker had succeeded?
What I'm getting that with this is simple, the client represents Stella, the ex-husband represents Stolas, the daughters represents Octavia and Loona, and Blitz represents Striker.
But Blitz isn't Striker, Blitz could've very well chosen to be play the role of Striker and kill that ex-husband, ruining the family as a result for some money, but he didn't, Blitz saw the happy gay couple and their daughters, saw himself in it, and decided the money wasn't worth it, stopping himself or anyone else in the team from taking that killing shot, because Blitz simply refused to play the role of Striker, Blitz played his own role, which is himself.
Blitz is not Striker, and I feel like this moment goes to show even further that Blitz and Striker are supposed to be narrative foils to each other.
#helluva boss#blitzø#blitzo#stolas#stolitz#helluva boss stolas#striker helluva boss#stella goetia#helluva boss striker#loona helluva boss#octavia goetia
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