#like most of the terms we use as a community made by endos

[the-alarm-system]

SYSTEMPUNK

Systempunk: A term or Subculture surrounding the liberation of plurals and the critique of psychiatry. We're outspoken on how the psych community mistreats us and how we will force the breaking of the chains that continuously fakeclaim or harm us whenever we do something singlets/psychiatrist do not like. We have been silenced and told that if we are open, it is a sign of us lying. We have been forced to follow the strict guidelines of the dsm5 in order to avoid being told that our experiences are false. We have been forced into psychiatric wards and abused because we are not singlet. We have been the face of the liars for too long, plural liberation is something we must push. The future is plural.

ANTI ENDOS AND RADQUEERS DO NOT TOUCH.

Meaning of the flag:

Brown and Black: The POC-bodied systems who are put down by both the community and the society around them. POC-bodied systems who have had their diagnosis's rejected due to their race. POC-bodied systems who have a cultural origin or connection and are hurt because of it. POC-bodied systems who are appropriated by other systems and are not listened to. POC-bodied systems who are hurt by the white dominated psychiatric system. POC-bodied systems who deserve to be heard and understood.

Purple stripe: Endogenic Solidarity, allyship, love, liberation. Endogenic systems are continuously harmed by antis who remain uncritical of psychiatry, are against the liberation of plurals, and deny a plural future in order to push singlethood onto others. Endogenic systems are also used in a lot of fakeclaiming content made by singlets and psychiatrist despite the research that supports their existence. It's because singlet society hates plurals and hates any form of existence we have. Love your endogenic siblings. They are the diverse experiences of plurality, they have helped us through so much.

Yellow Stripe: Disordered and traumagenic system solidarity and liberation. Disordered systems are horribly abused by the psych system, we make up most of those hospitalized and we are put down as too crazy to make our own decisions. Even if our existence is from trauma or a disorder, we shouldn't be forced into a singlet cure, we deserve autonomy.

Pink stripe: Abolition of psychiatric wards used to abuse us, hide us away, and silence us. Our autonomy is stolen from them, we deserve resources that help us instead of force us into a place that fucking hates us.

White stripe: Psych-critical beliefs or Anti-psych beliefs, despite their differences we still stand together against the harms of the psychiatric system. ACAB included in this.

Barbed wire: Anti-fakeclaim culture, systems deserve to be believed. Pro-plural protection. Protect another no matter your beliefs, cops and psych wards fucking hate us and want us dead, protect those you love. protect the closeted, protect all systems.

Fangs: Fight for your existence, be loud about it, write essays, make art, do whatever you can. Force plural liberation down the throats of singlets. Force the future to be plural.

Ampersand: PLURAL PRIDE, PLURAL ACCEPTANCE, PLURAL LIBERATION, PLURAL HISTORY, PLURAL FUTURE

[genderqueerdykes]

We're appreciating these pro-endo posts as an endogenic, especially the fact you account for traumatized endogenics (we at least notice "usually" and other such words in a lot of posts, and were taught at a young age how to analyze shit because of being autistic) so like...thanks. :)

Hopefully y'all are okay, anti-endos are really showing their asses this time in your asks. And we hope everyone else realizes they have always been that bigoted.

hey of course, thanks for sending this ask!

yeah i don't know why people don't understand that endogenic systems can... also have trauma. like. endogenic doesn't mean 100% free from trauma. anyone can have trauma. trauma doesn't always manifest in the most extreme forms possible like dissociative disorders. like i cannot stress enough that dissociative disorders are a very specific kind of plurality, and should NOT be used as a metric to gauge whether or not someone's plural experience is legitimate or not. the diagnostic criteria for dissociative disorders is so painfully restrictive that a lot of people who probably do have a dissociative disorder don't get the diagnosis because it's so fucking specific

and again, i just want to stress that endogenic systems literally are not hurting anyone. you are not spitting in my face or talking over me as a system with DID. you are being respectful by using a term that suits your experience way better. like idk how that is offensive to people. endogenic systems developed a term to express a specific type of plurality. that's not trying to mock or ape on dissociative plurality. it's not an attempt to talk over dissociatives. it's creating an entirely new conversation that needs to be had

people getting upset about endogenic systems are creating mountains out of mole hills. it is quite literally a nothing burger of a problem. there IS no problem. nothing wrong is even happening. like i cannot overstate how fucking annoying it is when other dissociatives decide its time to get on their high horses and act as if they're suddenly experts on psychology and mental health. like it really pisses me off when other plurals with dissociative disorders decide the entire plural community is about them. the dissociative disorder communities are about plurals with dissociative disorders. specifically. you can still occupy spaces made for people with DID, OSDD and so on and leave endogenics alone and the world will keep turning. the sun will rise tomorrow regardless.

learn to mind your own goddamn business if you can't respect that other people experience the world differently than you do. maybe, just maybe, the dissociatives who are intentionally going out of their way to mock and harass endogenic systems are the fucking problem, here. you don't get to be a fucking bully just because you have trauma. you don't get to attack and hurt people who haven't hurt you just because you were abused. that's literally fucking perpetuating the cycle of abuse. if you think to yourself that because you are traumatized, that it's okay to take your anger out on people who have no trauma, you seriously need to reassess your life. what does that do for you? temporary catharsis? a rush of dopamine that lasts mere seconds? chasing the high of harassing strangers will not undo what was done to you in the past.

as a dissociative- i only understand what dissociative plurality is like. i do not understand other forms of plurality. and you know what? i don't find the fact that other types of plurality existing offensive to me. it's just not. i've been very close friends with so many endogenic, spiritual, natural, etc. systems out there over the years. i have never found it offensive for anyone to say "oh hey i'm plural too!" and then explain a different plural experience than the one i have. thats why the term plural even exists, because it encompasses a broad range of plural experiences, not just dissociative ones.

like, to the dissociatives who are pissed off that endos exist: literally stay in dissociative disorder-centric spaces and tags. they're right there. you HAVE a community that you can interact with who understand exactly what you're going through. if it offends you that you find a VARIETY of plural experiences in the general plural community- that community isn't for you. like seriously. if it offends you that deeply that other types of plurality exist- the general plural community is not for you. it's literally not made for you if you can't except that numerous types of plurality exist. you have spaces you can occupy that ARE made 100% for people just like you. you can quite literally stay in spaces made for dissociative plurals only. like. you can do that. that's an option. and you can stop bullying other people out of spaces that they rightfully belong in.

trauma is never excuse to be a fucking jackass. it's perpetuating the cycle of abuse. that's nothing to be proud of. break the cycle. stop abusing people just because you were abused.

[sophieinwonderland]

Dear r/systemscringe... you're being lied to...

You're in an echo chamber. One that bans anyone who goes against it. They will feed you irrelevant distractions of "sources" that don't address the real topic to keep you complacent, but people who link to anything that contradicts the narrative of the hate subreddit will be banned from it just like I was.

The other day, there was a screenshot of a post I made on that subreddit.

A user asked if this was correct. They were immediately fed a bunch of irrelevant sources that only addressed DID. And they were downvoted for even questioning if there might be anything behind what I said.

The links on the comment don't work. But even if they did, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT DID.

There is a very manipulative trick being used here to focus specifically on DID when they know that this isn't the claim being made.

Let's start by establishing a few facts. Including the actual claim.

Claim: You can be plural without trauma or a disorder

What being plural means: Plurality is an umbrella of phenomena where a single-body experiences multiple self-conscious agents of some kind. These agents may be identified by the system as having origins that are spiritual or psychological. Psychologists use a variety of terms to refer to these agents such as "distinct personality states" or "dissociative parts."

Now, with the basic definition out of the way, let's talk about...

The sources r/systemscringe doesn't want you to see!

The most explicit in using plural community language is in Transgender Mental Health by Dr. Eric Yarbrough. This book was reviewed and published by the American Psychiatric Association.

Below are some choice excerpts from the book's chapter on Plurality.

This establishes the following:

The phenomenon of plurality is not the same as DID. (Which is why the sources discussing DID being caused by trauma are irrelevant distractions.)

Many plurals are happy being plural and not distressed by their plurality. (Important since "distress or impairment" are a criterion of DID and OSDD in the DSM-5.)

Plurality isn't necessarily caused by trauma.

In the World Health Organization's ICD-11, the term used for dissociative identities is "distinct personality states."

The ICD-11 includes the "boundary with normality where it states that you can experience the presence of "two or more distinct personality states" without a mental disorder.

This is, again, using a term it uses synonymously with dissociative identities. It's essentially using different words to say the same things as the Plurality chapter of Transgender Mental Health.

Do you need more sources?

Is the World Health Organization and a book published by the American Psychiatric Association not enough?

How about this study discussing multiplicity as a continuum of experiences?

The one thing that's been lacking for a while has been neurological studies into non-disordered systems. There is a currently-unpublished neurological study that was conducted into tulpamancy systems by Stanford University. Tulpamancy, for those unaware, is a mostly psychological practice of creating headmate through intentional effort.

The neurologist who led this study discussed the results in an AMA in the r/tulpas subreddit:

Essentially, the brain of tulpamancers showed different activity when a tulpa was controlling a limb versus when the host simply imagined someone moving their limbs.

If you're from r/systemscringe and this is the first time you've heard of any of these papers, that is by design!

The subreddit and most anti-endo communities are designed to keep you ignorant. Only their view is permitted. Anyone who contradicts their views, anyone who links to academic source that show the existence of endogenic plurality, is banned!

This is how they operate. It's how they keep you hateful. It's how they control you.

Remember, if there was a single paper out there that contradicted these studies, where even one doctor said you need trauma to be plural, r/systemscringe would have provided that by now.

The reason they only give sources about DID is because they can't find even one single doctor to say you need trauma or a disorder to be plural.

They want you to be ignorant. They want you to not find out what the actual professionals and experts think!

[shattered-system]

The “Redefinition” of Systempunk

Updated version!

We're not typically an essay kind of blog, but there's something l've been turning over in my mind since l've seen it.

I have the post pulled up now actually, and about 11 hours ago @/the-alarm-system "recoined" (stole) the term systempunk in a long post, as well as designed a flag with its own meaning and I want to sort through some of it.

I also have a few personal pet peeves about their flag design, given that it's color palette clashes and the flag is way too busy. I don't expect it to spread far given that it violates several rules of good design (saying this as someone who has been to school for graphic design.)

I will not post it here, because I don't care to spread it any more than this post already may.

Their flag slightly predates my own version of the systempunk flag, but given that theirs was created for a separate concept with a stolen name, I maintain that we were the first.

We begin with their definition of systempunk.

“A term or Subculture surrounding the liberation of plurals and the critique of psychiatry."

First issue lies here. Both the destigmitization of dissociative disorders and critique of the psych field are extremely important discussions to have!

But they are separate discussions. There is absolutely overlap, but combining the two here is kind of shooting yourself in the foot, because then the conversation in that tag will be disorganized.

Have a systempunk movement AND an anti-psych or psych-critical movement. That way people can easily find the relevant discussions and terms.

This is followed up with a bit about the harm the psychiatric field has caused (not delving into that as that's not what this blog is about) and then circle back onto "the future is plural."

This is not one of the instances where OP means it in the "the future is destigmitization" sense, as they are pro endo. (On a side note, even ignoring the endo use of the phrase-- if I need to read about a slogan to understand the meaning of the slogan, it's a bad slogan. The point of a slogan is to communicate a concept quickly.)

The flag has black and brown stripes akin to the progress flag to represent systems of color, which is the only part of the design we have no critique for, but are describing anyway just as a bit of information.

The purple stripe stands for:

“Endo solidarity... endogenic systems are continuously harmed by antis who remain uncritical of psychiatry."

Once again, we are mixing two expansive concepts into one term.

The term anti-endo doesn't imply a position one way or the other on the psychiatry discussion.

Some anti-endos swear by the DSM5, others don't. Anti-endo is a term that means anti-endo/ endo-critical. That is all it means.

There is a difference between holding the DSM as the complete authority on mental illness and saying that a trauma disorder is caused by trauma.

I'm not sure if OP knows that and is choosing to cast anti-endos in a bad light, or legitimately confused. However, OP is a syscourse blog who is on a lot of blocklists and is spammy in the tags, and has likely been blocked by anyone who isn't also out looking to pick immature fights. (This is a system who made a post in all caps calling for an endo raid on #systempunk.)

Continuing directly from the last quote:

“[Antis] are against the liberation of plurals and deny a plural future in order to push singlethood onto others."

It's possible OP is referring to final fusion, which the anti-endo community is not a monolith on either. Most people we've interacted with are supporters of functional multiplicity (including ourselves.)

Most likely however, they mean that anti-endos "push singlethood" by telling endogenics that they can't have a trauma disorder without trauma.

And I could go into a whole tirade about that, but dozens of systems have done it before and I doubt any pro-endos have gotten this far. I am writing this for the anti-endo and on-the-fence audiences.

Visit @antimisinfo's helpful masterpost for a list of legitimate sources.

OP seems to believe that by “forcing” this singlethood, we are contributing directly to the oppression of systems. Hypocritically, OP themselves are contributing directly to the oppression of trauma victims.

Endogenics are not part of the "diverse experiences of plurality” (we are diverse, but united in origin) given that they don't exist. And if they did, they would have such a fundamentally different experience than trauma-formed systems that both groups would need separate language and tags to have space to themselves.

And endos already have a well-established punk tag for themselves. It seems they won't be happy until they chase trauma victims out of every space they create for themselves and steal every term. They've already stolen even the medical terminology used for CDDs.

The yellow stripe of the flag is meant to represent those with actual CDDs. Once again, psych stuff is brought up. However, I do agree with OP that those who do not want final fusion should not be pushed into it.

The pink and white stripes of the flag are entirely dedicated to anti-psych points. I think this would do wonderfully on it's own flag. But bringing the large range of discussion the anti-psych movement encompasses and the large range of discussion the CDD community has into the same tags is going to make it monumentally difficult to find the conversations you're wanting to have, and weaken both communities considerably.

There is a line of barbed wire across the flag that is partially for the same anti-psych movement as well as in favor of protecting and defending endogenic "identities." The ampersand stands for plurality.

There are fangs on the flag as well, encouraging systems to be loud and proud about their existence. And I agree that systems should make themselves known. However, endogenic systems don't exist, and their promotion will continue to drag us down.

I have read testimonies about traumagenic (real) systems being fakeclaimed or denied treatment by healthcare experts who, through exposure to endos, came to the conclusion CDDs are fake entirely.

Real systems seeking treatment and help after a lifetime of horrific abuse are being denied care.

Not to mention the setback of social acceptance by endos.

“Force plural liberation down the throats of others. Force the future to be plural."

[sysmedsaresexist]

To the anon asking about my username...

There's a bit of confusion here, I'm going to answer many of your questions but I may not post the ask itself, hopefully it'll make sense :)

When I started my blog I was heavily anti endo and I specifically posted bad pro/endo takes, debunking or just laughing. To this day, most of it is still pretty hilarious. I wasn't focused on cringe, but totally crazy, out there claims that made zero sense and were flat out wrong. Check out my tags #shit endos say, #shit singlets say, and my newest tag, #shit anti endos say, I hope you have a laugh at a couple of them.

In my pinned post, you'll see the thing that started it all. A pro endo saying that sysmeds are sexist.

I would also like to know how they came to that conclusion. I'm right there with you. Also like you, I still have many issues with the pro/endo community. I believe CDDs are trauma based disorders. I post research pretty much weekly about it (check out #debunk and #research). I think endogenic plurality and CDDs are completely different things.

And you know what, my pro endo friends support me. We're all learning. I'm kind with my opinion, I'm open to talking about it, we debate, we share resources, we change our views and adjust based on new info.

This blog corrects misinformation from both sides, now. Some of it is worse than others. Antis can and do spread just as much misinformation as pro/endos.

What I would encourage you to do is start with the multiple selves theory. It actually developed right alongside Freud's theories on hysteria (which included early versions of CDDs at the time), and if Freud hadn't been such a perv, it might actually be much more well-known. It's a nonpathological theory on consciousness and philosophy. People have been describing this phenomenon for a very long time, "endogenic" is just the newest term for it. Here's a couple examples.

2015 - at any given moment in time, one or another of our subselves is in control and determines how we think and act.

1987

2012 - this one has so many links to other people talking about this theory

2023 - These results suggest that the normative principles by which agents have adapted to complex changing environments may also explain why humans have long been described as consisting of “multiple selves.”

2020

2010

Like I said, though, you can find this stuff as far back as the 50s with ease, anything older might take a bit more digging, but it's not a small or new theory.

I think an overlap in language has created a lot of confusion, but it's really not out of the realm of possibility for people to be more in tune with these parts of themselves. It's been documented for over a century outside of psychology, in other areas of research-- anthropology, philosophy.

I'm going to be honest, I don't think a single one of the headmate sale blogs are real. I think they're antis trying to start shit. Like maybe one out of every ten is actually someone misguided behind the screen.

Even CDD systems still incorrectly believe in core theory, endogenics picked it up from us and don't know any better. System resets aren't real, but there are real experiences that can FEEL like a reset-- try being patient and educating people. Ignore the others, because some people just can't be helped, and you're better off spending your time spreading good, accurate posts than arguing with people who don't want to learn anything.

I forget what I was saying.

Anyways, I'm a pro endo sysmed.

I hope you'll stick around and see what's going on.

[chxrrie-bxmb]

idk if this is something we've stated before and it's not something we've personally seen, more something we've heard talked about, but I still wanna say this to make it clear.

while we are anti-endo and will stand our ground on that for literally the rest of our life, we do not condone fakeclaiming or harassment. we don't condone threats, we don't condone violence, and we especially don't condone wishing bad things upon someone. while we don't believe that endos are systems in the way the term is defined, that doesn't mean we think (most of) their experiences aren't real. sure, some endos online probably are just acting for clout. that happens with every disorder in the book. but it's far more likely that a lot of them just don't know what's going on and jumped to the first label they saw and are sticking with it to avoid being wrong. it's also far more likely that there's a completely different disorder in the mix that either makes them think their symptoms are related to DID or straight up fabricates whatever symptoms they believe they have. no one will know unless they make the choice to go to therapy if they can.

no, endos are not and never will be accepted on our page because our space isn't made for them. our space is made for people who are suffering from this disorder because of severe trauma. we have every right to decide who we do and don't want interacting with our blog and, therefore, interacting with us. we can't interact with people who act like they understand our struggles when they really don't. it's uncomfortable and frustrating for us, which is why we avoid the endo community entirely.

bottom line is: just avoid the community. purposefully going after people is just dumb, in my opinion. all you're doing is bring them into your own spaces, fueling their fire, and giving them more reasons to harp on traumatized people for being "toxic".

that's our piece, and now we're gonna go back to not really posting anything about syscourse lol

[our-agabpunk-experience-2]

Hi. I’m back. I was the creator of the original AGABpunk blog, and I ended up shutting it down. I want to recreate it, so here we are. I’m copy and pasting my original pinned post, as well as adding some notes that I think are relevant now.

Hi! This is a new our-experience blog for anyone who considers themselves AGABpunk! AGABpunk is a broad term that involves rejecting the concept of AGAB as it is currently used and reinventing it for oneself. It includes AFAB transfems, AMAB transmascs, transmascfems, AFAB cis men, AMAB cis women, those who self-assign their AGAB, those who use neoAGABs and xenoAGABs, AGABless people, and so much more! My header is the AGAB non-conforming flag because there is no AGABpunk flag, which is also why my icon is just the default icon.

You can submit experiences starting with “My AGABpunk experience is…”, but you can also start them with a specific identity under the AGABpunk umbrella, such as “My AMAB transmasc experience is…”, “My AFAB cis man experience is…”, “My S-AFAB experience is…”, “My ASAB (Assigned Sleepy At Birth) experience is…”, or “My AGABless experience is…”. You can also include another identity in your ask, like “My bisexual AGABpunk experience is…”, “My plural AFAB transfem experience is…”, or “My AGABless transmasc experience is…”

Some ground rules.

1- Intersex people are pretty much the founders of the AGABpunk and AGAB non-conforming community, and continue to be some of its most important members. Intersexism is very much not welcome here. For a look at what casual intersexism in the queer community looks like, check out these posts:

2- However, intersex people are not the only members of the AGABpunk community. There are many reasons that perisex people would feel connected to the community and the labels under it. Gatekeeping is not welcome here, whether it’s gatekeeping the AGABpunk label itself or any of the labels in its umbrella. Both intersex and perisex AGABpunk people are important.

3- Another big reason people identify as AGABpunk is plurality. For that reason, I want this blog to be a safe space for all plurals. I will block anti-endos. Attempts to start syscourse here will also be blocked. I want all plurals of all origins to feel safe here. And I cannot do that while welcoming anti-endos.

I also do not welcome bigots or radqueers, but that should hopefully be a given. Fuck off, both of you.

A note on AFAB transfems and AMAB transmascs: In the past I was accused of supporting the “fetishization of trans people by cis people” by supporting these labels. I was also told that I clearly didn’t think trans women were real women and trans men were real men for supporting them. These are both wild conclusions to draw. Mostly because they’re not true. Why does the existence of AFAB transfems and AMAB transmascs imply either of those things? If you repeat these arguments, I will assume you don’t actually understand what you’re talking about.

A note on self-assignment, neoAGABs, and xenoAGABs: I was also told that these terms were making light of an oppressive system by claiming that you could just be whatever AGAB you want and that AGAB wasn’t about what your doctor wrote down. That they harm the ability of people to talk about the way people are oppressively categorized into a sex binary. Which I understand. I do think that some uses of the terms come off as insensitive. But I also think that there are good-faith ways of using them. That claiming that they are bad in all contexts is harmful. I will continue to assume good faith with them. But I understand the opposition.

Tagging some blogs to get this off the ground: @our-honeybee-transfem-experience, @coffeebean-transmasc-experience

[formidablefangs]

A while back a made a post about endos needing a term to further separate from the cdd/osddid community

But people were focused on the fact that I mentioned plural and ignored everything else I said.

I mention plural among the terms because I see osddid systems using it. Yes it is an endo term, but it's an alternative to multiple not system. That's why I mentioned I don't like it, for its origins and what it's an alternative to as well as the fact disordered systems are using it.

Plural isnt enough of a term for them to distance themselves from us. Most if not all using the term plural still call themselves systems.

Multiple came from the outdated "multiple personality disorder" so plural being an alternative is not that different, it's just a synonym and doesnt really separate.

Plus it's still in reference to the disorder.

Endos need an alternative to the term system if they really believe they're experiencing something similar without the trauma required to cause the /disorder/.

Polyminds is actually a pretty good option and I encourage people to look into that.

System is exclusive to cdds. Plural does not separate them from us.

They genuinely need their own language, not ours. Not anything that references us, not something that's simply an alternative. They need complete disconnection and to stay out of our spaces.

They arent experiencing what we are because they dont have the trauma? They cant call themselves systems.

Not getting into the whole "endos might not remember their trauma" "endos are this" spiel because that's derailing from the actual topic at hand.

The point of the original post was lost on people because I offhandedly mentioned plural among system terms. It is one, it just happened to be coined by an endo now widely used in either space.

Please for the love of God dont derail this post or try to argue that this term is somehow simply enough to differentiate.

im not and never was claiming plural was a cdd exclusive term but it was made as a system term, just happened to be by a pro endo.

And as an alternative to multiple which hardly anyone uses because mpd is outdated and ableist.

I'm all for things like polymind which has nothing to do with disd. (Dissociative identity spectrum disorder)

We need full separation. Honestly think that would dissolve a lot of discourse. Not fully resolve, theres always going to be debate and arguments, but dissolve a lot of the discourse flaming up as in it would get quieter about a handful of topics regarding endos.

Just. Not systems. Find something else. You arent us, even if that pisses some off you know it's true. You claim to not have the requirements, then you arent us, you have a completely different experience, so find something outside system communities that better suits your experience.

[systematic-breakdown]

‎‎⛧ · · ───── Intro 2.0

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Hiii!! It's been a really long time since I've been put in front~ I don't have a name so refer to me as you like! I'm here to make posts pretty, check to make sure drafts are safe, and add applicable tags (sorry Anna ~ leave professional work to the professional!)

And! (with some help) I made us a brand new, improved, everything-accounted-for introductory post!! (cue applause~)

So please — without further ado — let us begin!

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⛧ · · Basic Intro | Boundaries | BYF

This section will be updated as we see fit~

Collective Name: Q

Collective Pronouns: They/them

Body Age: 20s

System Type: PF-DID

Medically recognized! We chose not to get a DID diagnosis for personal reasons, but we are officially diagnosed with C-PTSD.

One of our hosts - Nutty - is offering to draw alters for other systems! He takes requests whenever and from whoever but asks that endogenic systems DNI, please. Here are some examples of his art style~ [1] [2]

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See DNI for more in-depth boundaries!

Non-platonic flirting is a NO unless we 1) know you IRL, 2) have said it's ok, and 3) the alter it's directed towards is present & comfortable with it

If you are 18 years old or younger, flirting is a hard no regardless of intent.

Some parts might need tone tags! For the most part, the frequent posters are able to determine if something is or isn't serious. If you aren't sure, ask!

We love to joke around and we love sarcasm! However, if your "jokes" put down or make fun of marginalized groups, we kindly ask for you to keep them to yourself when interacting with this account.

Some frequent fronters have their own social medias outside of this account. Feel free to ask for their socials! As with most things, don't expect a yes though 😊

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While our opinions vary greatly on endogenics, the parts who share the most on this account are usually endo-neu/critical and anti-endo. Until the current hosts (of this account lol) switch, this is not a safe space for endos or pro endos. If you go onto a post sharing anti-endo rhetoric and try to convince the poster to be neutral or pro-endo, do not expect to be greeted kindly or with an open mind as I promise you they do not want to hear it.

I tag everything appropriately! I understand that triggers are a prominent aspect of the CDD community and want to respect that. If you follow us and see something triggering for you untagged, just ask for a CW and we'll gladly tag it from then on ❤️

In case it wasn't obvious, we use "parts" as one of the many ways of referring to headmates, alters, system members, etc. We believe that not using "parts" language denies the nature of the disorder. We are very much pro-recovery and encourage other systems to at least try! It's ok if you aren't comfortable with it, but please don't police others by telling them not to use "parts" language

Some parts are VERY Catholic/Christian and will occasionally post religious content. If that makes you uncomfortable, we encourage you to filter religious tags

We are pro-sex, pro-BDSM, pro-(safe) experimentation, and pro-consent. While we don't post explicit material, it's important to note that we believe sex and BDSM are not evil and shouldn't be treated like taboo!

Our frequent fronters as of late are mostly protectors, anger holders, and generally aggressive parts. Although I censor posts that wish harm on a group or person, I will not censor parts who are just expressing their emotions. Please be wary of harsh, vulgar, or potentially upsetting language! Try not to personalize whatever was said or argue with the part as that usually only makes things worse.

We use RAMCOA and OEA interchangeably. Some parts are more aware of the history and background of "RAMCOA" than others. Since both terms mean basically the same thing and our experiences can be applied regardless, we ask that you give us grace in this transition from the old terminology to the new~

⛧ · · ────── Tagging System

Anna tried very very hard to keep things consistent but we are unfortunately the opposite of consistent - so instead I will list all personal/system tags here! Alters are free to tag themselves if so desired, but that is no longer our systems process.

#mixed/blurry ~ posts that are made by more than one alter or posts that are made by parts who are blurry/don't know who they are

#alter redacted ~ posts where the alter doesn't want to tag themselves or establish a tag for themselves

#Q talks ~ posts where we are speaking generally. life events, interests, discourse, etc

#Q draws ~ art posts! includes doodles & full pieces

#Q rants ~ posts where we are ranting. could be about anything but, given our hosts' proclivities, will likely involve syscourse.

#Q vents ~ posts where we are venting. I will do my best to keep these from being posted unless the part tells me they want it on the internet once they're feeling better. i ask that you be kind and just ignore it if what's written upsets you to prevent hurt feelings on either side.

#Q reviews: [music, movies, television, etc]: posts where an alter or we as a system review certain medias. you'll most likely see a music review with Nutty/Bug's tag attached (i really like music :( mb guys)

· · ───────────── ·𖥸· ───────────── · ·

The old alter tagging system was "[alter]'s posts". However, parts made their own versions of that:

#AJ posting ~ posts made by AJ (he/him)

#bennie's posts ~ posts made by Bennie (she/they/crow/it)

#bug's vault, #bug rants ~ posts made by Nutty/Bug (he/it)

#mercedes ~ posts made by Mercedes/Dee (they/he)

#shrine ~ fragment, memory holder, EP (it/its)

#The Protector ~ a protector alter who chooses to remain unnamed.

· · ───────────── ·𖥸· ───────────── · ·

The new alter tagging system is "Part: [Name]". Established alter tags will not change. Instead, they will keep their tags and only parts who don't have their own tag yet will use this system.

Some parts tags will have "(TF)" by their name. "TF" stands for "Temporary Fusion". We have a post in the works talking about our experience with a specific brand of dissociation that makes alters in the front room blend to the point they feel like 1 alter and how we've related that to Steven Universe's fictional concept of "fusion". When that post is complete, we'll link it here~

⛧ · · ───── Posts That I Censor

Anything that wishes harm upon a person or community

Posts talking about sex/sexual activity, posts that contain gore or excessive violence, posts on anything explicit/adult ~ we have a side blog for NSFW! minors dont need to see that shit - i know some of you guys are traumatized and i know that teenagers have sex but we are still responsible for keeping certain sensitive and triggering content private in a space that is ridden with <18 year olds

Traumadumps ~ these don't need to be public obviously

⛧ · · (Incomplete) Syscourse Stances

Hello. Archivist here. This portion is finally done after a month of trying to get answers from the appropriate people. I'm not doing an update. Unless chi gives me compensation.

As syscourse is practically inescapable for systems wanting to find community on any social media, here are the current frequent fronters and established posters summarized thoughts on all of that.

Anna (she/her/hers) — Pro endo. Pro polymind. "You are who you are! If it helps them cope, leave them alone! Who is it bothering?" Thinks there should be some separation between the CDD community and the non-disordered endogenic community because of difference in experiences. Thinks the rest can & should be shared.

AJ (he/him/his) — Neutral. Doesn't understand the concept of endogenics but is indifferent about their existence. Thinks the constant discourse is ridiculous. Thinks the bullying and hate being throwing around doesn't help anyone. Overall, a very "who cares?" attitude.

Ben (it/🦴/z/he) — Claims to have mixed views on different types but is generally anti-endo/endo critical. Was on reddit for a long while and finally let it go in 2022. Fakeclaims "but with reason, not out of hate". Claims to be getting better at not doing that. Thinks trauma is the only way a system is formed. Thinks plurality is separate from that. "And stupid. Make sure you put stupid. You're either a system or not a system. It's not hard to understand. Unless you're stupid".

Calico (any pronouns) — Pro endo. Thinks it's a fun and interesting new way of going about things. Wishes that we could do some of the things that they can. Doesn't seem to have a grasp on how DID works. "We make alters all the time, how is that any different? It's not fair!" Focused more on spreading positivity and making people happy than debating someone on how they choose to live.

KC (he/him/his or any pronouns) — Neutral. Isn't knowledgeable on the subject and therefore doesn't have a real stance. Prefers engaging with his interests instead of getting involved in something he knows nothing about.

Kira (they/them) — Pro endo. Doesn't know a lot but is willing to hear what people have to say. Doesn't like the people who encourage or engage in harassment. Understands that they are outliers and don't make up the whole community. Is willing to stand up against anti-endogenics but is afraid of doing so when it’s not their place.

Limbo (he/him/his) — Neutral. Knows the basic terms. Has zero interest in learning beyond that. Won't bring it up if you don't.

Mercedes (they/them/theirs or he/him/his) — N/A. Generally avoids social media. When they do post, it's for themselves. "Dude, don't talk to me about that crap. It's bad juju. Acting like you want another shutdown".

Nina (she/her/hers or rot/rots/rotself) — Extremely anti endo. Pro harassment. "Maybe if they're bullied enough, they'll finally be a real system like they want". Thinks most of them are LARPing, thinks the rest are "literally insane". Has drafts but is being censored. Didn't know she was being censored until now and is "officially filing a formal complaint".

Nutty (he/him/his or it/its/itself) — Anti endo. Polymind critical - "it's better than the alternative I guess". Pro research. You've probably already seen a few of its takes so I won't waste time repeating them here. Anti-harassment but is a "huge hater".

Shrine (it/its/itself) — N/A. Fragment. Only cares about 🍀.

Xeno/Topias/Cain (he/him/his) — Endo neutral. Believes in experience over label - "let it be about self-exploration". Has made posts talking about his stance here and here (with Nutty), for clarification.

I — Emilio (he/him/his) — say we are overall endo neutral. It's impossible for all of us to have the same opinions. We have better and more important things to tend to as a system and so should you.

⛧ · · ──────── DNI

Can't believe like half of these things are topics of debate. CW for vulgarity. Boundaries/DNI varies from alter to alter but this is specifically for this account and has the main posters in mind.

THIS SECTION WILL BE UPDATED AS NECESSARY

If you tell people you disagree with to hurt or kill themselves. This doesn't apply to nazis. Tell nazis to kill themselves.

If you think "narcissistic abuse" is a real thing.

If you claim to have a CDD without having trauma and/or tell people that they can have a CDD without having trauma.

Accounts that "make anti-endo posts pro-endo" and people who support that. You guys are weird. Why do you think it is in any way acceptable to steal traumatized peoples posts. The "make pro-endo posts anti-endo" accounts are weird as fuck too but at least those people aren't belittling and silencing the traumatized like you guys are.

If you claim to have been born a system and/or tell people you can be born a system.

People who use "sysmed" seriously.

Anti-science. Anti-research.

If you believe therians/furries are zoophiles and/or tell people that therians/furries are zoophiles.

"MAPs". Pedophiles. Chomos. Should go without saying. If I find you, I will report you to your job, your family, your friends, your neighbors, everyone. Everybody you know and everybody you love will know how sick you are.

^ P-OCD havers, you are exempt from this. Your obsessions don't define you. Your obsessions are not you. We understand. You're safe here.

If you use mental health/disorder exclusive terms and you don't have that disorder. For example, calling yourself "delulu", saying you're "so OCD", calling something mildly uncomfortable "traumatic"/"PTSD", etc.

If you believe and/or tell people that you can get racial, disability, disorder, etc dysphoria and can "transition" to your desired race, disability, disorder, etc. JSYK you do not want trauma and no amount of crying about your "dysphoria" around not having it will ever make me feel sympathy for you. Get help.

To continue the above, if you identify as: "transracial", "RCTA", "transystem", "transplural", "transabled", "transprogrammed", "transDID", or anything along those lines. I won't say all transIDs because I know a small handful of them are harmless (e.g. transage, transpower, transpecies etc.). While I don't think the word "trans" should be used, I understand why it is and don't care enough about the topic to argue or get involved in discourse about it

Pro-incest. TCOAAL fans I'm looking at you.

Puritans, puriteens, anti-sex/sex-negative movement, etc

Pro generative AI. What, little baby can't draw by themself? Can't write more than a sentence? Need a computer program to spoon feed you misinformation while it fucks you in the ass? Aww you poor thing. Thinking for yourself is really hard, isn't it? Grow up.

Not a hard DNI as we have mutuals who do this but people who generalize paraphilias to condemn a small percentage of them. To demonize paraphilias as a whole is to demonize sex. Please educate yourself before taking hard stances that align heavily with the anti-sex movement. If you took 2 seconds to actually look up what a paraphilia is, you would know that less than half are immoral and even fewer are illegal. The emetophiles and watersports enjoyers should not be looped in with the zoophiles and necrophiles. The people with vampire fetishes are not the same as pedophiles and you all need to stop acting like it.

^ That being said, rapists/rape paraphiliacs who aren’t victims of it, DDLG/CGs who sexualize littles (even if it's consensual), necrophiles who have or are planning on actually desecrating a corpse, noncon somnophiliacs, noncon voyeurs, zoophiles, xenophiles, anyone who identifies with a paraphilia that harms anyone non-consensually or has anything to do with being attracted to minors or animals DNFI.

^ Cannibalism is messy since it's symbolic usage in media has risen in popularity, but having a thing for cannibalism as a trope is very different from actually being a cannibal. It better be obvious which type is in the DNI.

If you knowingly and intentionally violate DNIs. This ones funny cause I know they won’t listen, but if I see em, I’ll report them for harassment, share the acc here, and encourage blocking them. So this is your warning.

If you encourage people to not seek treatment for their CDD. It’s ok to validate inability to seek help and we get that doctors are scary, but fearmongering recovery helps no one and anyone who does that sucks.

⛧ · · ────── Side Accounts

@simplesysresearch ~ A submission-based blog dedicated to making big long science articles small and understandable enough for non-researchers to digest! Focus is primarily on publishings that revolve around CDDs, trauma, and plurality

Redacted side ~ Blog for NSFW posts! Basically a journal for anything that isn't safe for regular tumblr. We are not publicizing it at this time for everyone's safety but! we will eventually~ (gotta note that itll be password protected so we can pick and choose who sees)

⛧ · · ────── Other Accounts

Simply Plural ~ systematic_breakdown | strangers are unable to see profiles but can see how we format our SP | mutuals/friends can see select profiles | certain IRLs/closest friends/partner sys can see all profiles except for those of us who want to be kept completely private

Discord ~ systematic_breakdown

Revolt ~ systematic_breakdown#4227

Pinterest ~ radio_mud | currently being renovated | used to be nuttys acc but it switched to its own so now we're moving a buncha shit around

Spotify ~ here

[x-other-souled-x]

No. Nope.

Using language that systems may also use in a medical setting to describe their expereinces and go through treatment is not appropriation. Full stop.

There is no culture being exploited, unless you want to argue that the medical-industrial complex is a closed culture somehow.

Which I have definitely seen posts saying something dangerously close to this, and I urge you to not base your entire sense of self on the guys making money off of you. Even if they're helping, there's intentional siphoning of money from poor patients.

Secondly, language is a tool used to communicate. Words exist as "bodies" to a concept, and sometimes this concept is interpreted a little differently from person to person. There are a lot of words that mean several different things depending on the context. The most important thing is the setting which they're used in. A good ammount of medical terms are also words that are used by laymen in other contexts, meaning something different.

A system is a group of interrelated parts working together as a whole.

An Operating System (OS) is a system of code and software that tells the hardware what to do in order to make your computer run. There's agricultural systems, government systems, the solar system itself. Are these things appropriating the medical-industrial complex by existing as parts that make one whole thing work?

And before anyone splits hairs about this, I am not equating human life to computers or the government. These are examples of things that are literally defined AS SYSTEMS. The main takeaway you should be having here is that system is a broad term with many many applications outside of the medical-industrial complex. That one institution does not own the word nor the concept of being multiple parts (headmates/alters/whatever) working together.

The concept still exists and system still is a word outside of a medical context.

In other words, people would have eventually came to the conclusion of calling themselves systems regardless of if it was used in a medical context or not. It's not hard to put 2 and 2 together, to see parallels in concepts and expereinces and decide those words work just fine. Thank you for coming to my TEDtalk.

This is a post online, made by a trauma-formed system. I'm not going to have the time and foresight to cover every little nuance, and I don't care to be pedantic and pick apart small case instances. At the end of the day, this does not actually matter to how I live my life, how I get therapy, how we as a system have to work together. Endos using terms that are also used in a medical setting (but also used outside of medical settings) is not harmful to me in any way. And quite frankly, I think anti-endo witchunting has done more damage to us as a system trying to figure out how to navigate life than any endo friendly post has. I'm not arguing semantics, I'm going to go live my life and go outside and do my job and pay my bills like everyone else.

All this discourse around stealing terms and what you can and can't call yourself is so seriously unimportant in the grand scheme of things. You all sound so comfy and privileged to be worried about something so trivial as a word or three that is used in multiple contexts accross human language.

[multiplicity-positivity]

uhh sorry if this message is a lil long but also hi!! hello!! hope you’re having a good morning, afternoon, evening, etc!! i also hope it’s okay if i request multiple things in one message -w-‘

one. i personally think its silly that on 8/8 you had made an update to the guidelines because thats my/the body’s birthday

two!!! was wondering if i could request some positivity for alters who don’t have a lot of memories about themself but want to? Sorry if that’s too specific, got a headmate I wanna get some positivity for (octive who doesn’t have a lot of memories of their home)

three, was wondering if you had any advice for a new polyfrag sys or knew where i could get some? we’re mixed origin but i don’t think we exist as a whole because of trauma, moreso we exist and then some guys exist because we also so happen to have problems and need comforting, if that makes any sense, and in a little under a month we’re at 131 alters total and it’s just… a lot. we’re keeping everyone written down to keep track, but it’s exhausting and i don’t know if one could prompt fusions this early to get the number down? because we’re mostly endo (at least i assume this is why), there’s a lot of people with no roles, most of which are people who front maybe once or make themselves known and then aren’t really heard from. it feels mean to want to get rid of them, for lack of a better term, but i as the host am struggling with this. we don’t have much of an innerworld to hold some sort of meeting, if that changes anything

thank you in advance for at the very least reading!!! —Rodger, the Crossover System ^w^

Hi, Rodger! Happy belated birthday to your collective! We do already have a post for introjects without source memories - would this work for y’all?

We aren’t polyfragmented, so we don’t really have any polyfrag-specific advice, sorry! Though we do feel like lots of things that are useful for other systems could be useful for polyfragmented systems! Any system could probably benefit from working on building trust and communication, though. Have y’all considered the possibility of making a spreadsheet or something similar to help manage your headmate count? We're sorry that this sort of work has been exhausting for you, but we hope that learning how to manage your headmate count will become easier with time!

We do know of the blog @polyfragcultureis which is an active culture blog for those who are polyfragmented! You could also check out the tags #polyfrag and #polyfragmented here on Tumblr for some more experiences by other polyfragmented folks.

Also, if y'all are interested in building a headspace/inner world of your own, we do have a post with some advice/resources which we'll link here! It could make things easier for y'all if you did eventually want to start having in-system meetings or interacting with each other in an internally visual way.

With regards to fusion, it’s not a bad thing whatsoever! And fusion doesn’t “kill” or "get rid of" headmates or make them disappear - they’ll still absolutely be there, just combined into another or new member! It's definitely okay (and dare we say, even healthy!) to have a goal for your system to one day reach a smaller, more manageable size. If you’re interested, we’ve written a post in the past on what fusion has looked like for our system, and we’ll include that here:

So sorry if this response is disjointed or all over the place - multiple parts worked on it over the span of a couple days. But we do hope something here will prove to be helpful for y'all!

One last thing we'd like to throw out there! If any polyfragmented system reads this and has some advice or resources for Rodger or the Crossover System, please feel free to share!

[sophieinwonderland]

So, singlet here, been on tumblr for a while but only started to join plural spaces when a friend told me they were plural and now I am trying to learn more. Sadly, the first plural creator I found was Aspen and now I’m trying to unlearn all the endo hate I’ve learned in the past month. If you don’t mind, could you tell me what an endo actually is? Whenever I asked them they just told me what I now know to be lies.

Sure! Thanks for reaching out and being open-minded!

In its most simple form, an endogenic system is a system who is plural for reasons other than trauma.

These include created systems, systems who have been plural as long as they can remember, and spontaneous systems who become plural without explanation. And any of these can have spiritual or psychological views on their system. The plural umbrella is inclusive to any plurals regardless of origin.

Here is what we know:

Plurality is old and everywhere: Throughout history, in cultures around the globe, plurality has existed in the form of possession states or communing with spirits or similar phenomena.

Many of the above experiences have been studied, and psychiatrists agree that they generally aren't aversive and shouldn't be considered a mental disorder. There are specific exceptions carved out stating that non-aversive plurality shouldn't be diagnosed as a disorder.

The invention of the internet and ability to connect with other plurals without fear of persecution led to the creation of the first inclusive plural communities online, shared by anyone who was multiple in one body for any reason.

At the time, the term "natural multiples" was used to refer to what we now call endogenic systems. The community replaced the term with "endogenic" around 2014.

Most of the resources used by the modern plural community came out of the inclusive side of the community. "Headmate" was a non-medical alternative to "alter." "Plural" was coined as a non-medical alternative to "multiple" which was associated with "multiple personality disorder" at the time. Fictives and factives both date back to the soulbonder community. And resources like Pluralkit and Simply Plural were made by endos.

What we don't know:

Scientific research into endogenic systems is still in its infancy. And though it indisputably exists, we don't know exactly what causes it... but we also don't know what causes someone to be a singlet...

Our brain is estimated to have 86 billion neurons with over 100 trillion synapses. We don’t understand what make all of these create one single personality.

The theory of structural dissociation suggests that children start with a less integrated personality that integrates over time. But that opens the door to ask, does this integration occur naturally due to biological factors, or is it from sociological and environmental pressure?

It seems possible to me that different environments or genetic factors could lead to certain humans just integrating into multiple people instead of one. This would explain systems who report being plural since birth.

For created systems, one hypothesis could be that it might involve a form of hypnosis. Some doctors have long believed hypnosis might involve dissociated parts, and Dr Samuel Veisseire and Michael Lifshitz, who have studied tulpamancy closely, believe the practices tulpamancers use to create tulpas might be inherently hypnotic.

Stanford University is doing a neurological study into tulpamancers, and I'm excited to see the results of that, but we aren't sure when that study is going to be complete. And that's likely just the first of many, and though it will be another piece of the puzzle, it certainly won't answer our most pressing questions for how this works. But I, for one, can't wait to learn more! 😁

[fictionfolk-safehaven]

We used to be in an emote discord server. I won't name drop but they're very dog themed. This is important.

We tend to hyperfixate on servers, talking in them most of the time, getting stuck in the questions channels because we like to answer questions, etc.

So that happened in their server. We had some really bad times while fixated on and actively in this server. So we split an introject of the server

Here's where the "problem" comes in. The owner has a persona, and the introject of their server looked like a dogboy version of their persona. So we, knowing they have boundaries on not making art of their persona for personal use, find art of a dogboy to use!

And it's fine and good, we get names for the introject that are dog themed, we recolor the art a bit (double checked the artists socials and they didn't care), and they talked in the server ONCE

The owner pulls us into a ticket asking why we "deliberately" picked names similar to their own and "made" art of their persona to use

We tell them we didn't, and that alters can't control their appearance and that the names weren't chosen to purposefully mimic theirs and they MAKE US choose a new name for the alter and get mad because we have a hard time finding names and I accidentally used the word "picky" and that pissed them off. Like dude this alter is part of my brain, sorry they want a name they'll like and identify with??? And we couldn't find faceclaims that fit because we struggle to anyway-

Months later, we stopped talking in the server, stopped being hyperfixated and one day we randomly got banned for "purposefully breaking boundaries"

????????????????

Anyway, crazy syscord experience I had to share cause the poor guy is fronting and remembering it all again

- ⭐️ (trying desperately to claim this anon tag)

It's unfair that you were treated so cruelly, and I'm sorry that happened to you all. We have an AAC and use a lot of Tumblr emotes for it. We have a... lot of frustration with what little of that community we've seen, especially due to the anti endos that have endos in the DNI despite their blog being focused around accessibility of speech, making it... inaccessible to us. Because while we refuse 'genic terms, we do not allow anti's in our space nor do we plan to cross over into theirs. I'm not surprised by this sort of thing at all, sadly.

We'll add your emoji tag to the list!

-Xiao

[sysmedsaresexist]

hey! so i saw in one of your posts that a lot of system terminology that ppl claim is stolen isn't actually stolen, i'd like to know if you have a list or source with terms that aren't stolen? thank you in advance!

This is actually a bit of a hard ask. It would be impossible to list them all, and every time I turn around someone is saying a new term is stolen. Sourcing most of this would be impossible, as the proof is either in the complete lack of use in clinical literature (eg system hopping, with my all access, I've never seen it used, even within RAMCOA literature, and @sophieinwonderland found the coining of it, if you want to drop a link to it), or its extreme overuse in other fields and concepts (eg system).

Obviously system hopping isn't stolen, system reset is one we never wanted and isn't ours, side system is community made.

Endogenic, traumagenic, and dissociation don't belong to us.

System itself is better said to have started in clinical literature for early DID but has expanded to so much more. Fighting this point is a losing battle, and that has nothing to do with endos and more to do with IFS therapy and it being such a generic word with so many uses. So long as people stop lying and saying it was never used for DID before IFS therapy in the 80s, I don't care about this one. It's like fighting with a programmer over computer system because its use in that respect is implying people with CDDs aren't human. I have issues with shared language and I wish there were different terms, but you have to just accept this one.

Most endos are pretty respectful about system roles, and they're not too interested in using them, much like introject, dormancy, and alter. Most endos burst into flames if you so much as even think those words in their direction. This falls into the same problem as system, and it was more IFS that fucked it, not endos, so while I'm extremely protective over some terms, like introject, persecutor and protector, you can't really help it. Look at the word little, it's not only endos using it. Even the very IDEA of system roles exists in IFS. Like, if you ask me, I think IFS might be what a number of endogenic systems are experiencing, but that's a topic for another time.

Plural was never for people with DID, multiple was the typical/preferred term for the longest time for medicalized systems, but I've actually seen the opposite happening and CDD systems are saying multiple is the endo term and plural is ours. Weird, but okay.

Fictive started in the soulbonding community.

Alter and subsystem are both so convoluted in psychiatry that the most you can say is that they're general clinical terms. I don't know why any endo would want to use them, but I do see subsystem used a bit (and my wording was that most words aren't stolen).

I'm sure people can think of a thousand others, but I think that covers the major ones.

Thanks to @pluraldeepdive for the help with this one, give them a follow if you're not already, their blog is wonderful.

[endopropaganda]

so what I'm hearing about SAS is that you don't like or understand nuance, you're unwilling to find out the kind of info on their blog yourself, even if those resources could benefit you and your followers, so you're deciding to just turn a blind eye to it

Is that right?

It sounds about right and I'm disappointed, SAS does more for the CDD community than most other blogs

Block me if you want, but I'm not wrong, the only reason all of you (general you to refer to the large number of newer anti blogs), is because they corrected antimisinfo for misinformation, antimisinfo called them an endo, leaked their main, and then tried to cover it up by telling everyone to block SAS

But sure, keep them blocked, keep telling all your followers to block them

As I explained in a previous post, we are conflicted on them mainly due to CROSSTAGGING. Which, as i already mentioned, causes overstimulation for us due to our autism (Aspergers, which is an outdated medical term, to be specific)

Endo neutrals are on our DNI, and if this is nuance, then we have every right to block them due to that making them endo neutral, which is stated on our DNI. We had been considering taking that off our DNI, but in light of this, fuck no, we aren't doing that.

Not once did we tell anybody to block SAS. We said WE were going to block SAS. And not because of their stance specifically, but because we have gotten almost 15 asks with conflicting ideas about SAS and want to STAY OUT OF DRAMA.

The fact that the narrative you made out of this is "Oh my god, you hate nuance" is the exact reason this blog exists. We are NOT a syscourse blog. We are a blog dedicated to pointing out logical fallacies in screenshots. How something SOUNDS and how something ACTUALLY IS are two VERY DIFFERENT things, and you cant make an opinion solely on how it sounds to you. Not only that, but your making a critical assumption without really knowing anything about us prior, So far, the only members of the system involved in this situation are me (Mocha) and Magenta. Neither of us are the headmate that runs this blog. This blog isn't run by just one person, either. So you're making an assumption about not only 3 PEOPLE who run a blog, but also an entire system's opinion on a situation. An entire system who doesn't even know this situation is happening and I can GUARANTEE you would not have anywhere near the same response as me. No. I am not going to block you, unless you send another one of these spontaneous, anger fueled hate asks. Because then, I will care even less than I do now.

I (Mocha), as a low empathy protector, do NOT give a shit what you think of my host's blog. The only thing I give a shit about is when people make assumptions without sufficient information about the topic they are making assumptions about. I will be removing anon asks for the time being. Since this situation has caused Magenta several episodes. We will not be engaging in this situation further, and if any attempts by others are made to continue to engage, it will be ignored.

Thank you and goodnight.

-Sincerely, A very petty and pissed off Mocha

extra part to this post

[wonderland-creations]

blog introduction

blog layout curated/created by us using f2u sources. divider made by us. pfp mask created by @hopefilledgraphics. blog inspired by @thekids-onholiday. let us know if you'd rather us not tag you like that please. last updated: 5.25.2025

hi!

hi! we're alice (bodily 19, collectively they/it). we're a system with some other mental illness marbles rolling around in the ol' noggin. here's our blog where we create emojis & other things (because most of emoteblr is so heavily anti-endo they don't even want endo-neutrals interacting). yes, we made this blog out of creative spite. ANYWAY-

here's where you can find and request three different services (more may be added to the list).

services

>emojis >dividers >userboxes

when requesting

please be kind and let us know any themes you want done (ex: a happy rabbit-themed emoji, a gothic bug-themed divider). please and thank you are heavily encouraged. we are free to deny any requests for whatever reason.

>for emojis, up to six are allowed per request. >for dividers, up to four are allowed per request. >for userboxes, up to six are allowed per request

terms & conditions

our content is f2u and utilizes f2u sources if needed (see our divider in this post), credit/likes/reblogs are heavily encouraged if using. when using one of our emojis on discord please use wndrlnd_ in the name.

dni

although our main blog (@possibly-in-wonderland) doesn't have a dni, i AM going to have one here.

dni: terfs, homo/transphobes, anti-system, anti-endos/pro-endos that harass each other, people who harass others over fiction BOTH ways (pro + anti-shippers that harass each other), nazis, facists, anti-kin/therian, *tcc *true crime enjoyers =/= true crime community, please don't ask that i make things glorifying REAL serial killers

tagging guide

alice in wonderland tags > its very easy to take more than nothing - request accepted > not all who wander are lost - request pending > you must have meant some mischief - request denied > curiouser and curiouser - non request ask > imagination is the only weapon in the war with reality - request > you may have noticed im not all there myself - self indulgence > i am not crazy my reality is just different from yours - blog posts non-alice in wonderland tags

> wndrlnd_ <- blog tag > emojis.png - emojis > dividers.png - dividers > userboxes.png - userboxes > cursors.png - cursors

other stuff and things

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