#jla theory

[ghost-bxrd]

(Don't know if this was asked already but)

What are the Titan's first reaction to Dick calling to them in owl hoots?

And what's their reaction to Batman answering Dick the same way?

At first he wouldn’t make any birds sounds around them at all, opting to wear contacts and talk as little as possible.

The first time they witness the bird sounds would probably be in response to Robin hijacking the comms after Dick didn’t check in with him at the alotted time, suddenly Nightwing is just standing off to the side, hooting and chirping softly in the the comms.

The titans are definitely confused because??? They thought Nightwing was human???? But apparently the name means something after all so whatever. If they can have an alien on the team then a bird-man-whatever is nothing. And Dick, upon seeing that they really don’t care at all, starts making bird sounds more frequently around them. And the Titans likewise learn to interpret some of the sounds (“look!” Is a sharp hoot, “stop!” a chittering hiss, and “nice-move-but-I’m-going-to-show-you-where-it-really-hurts-now” is an amused little chirrup).

The real surprise is Batman and Robin responding to Nightwing with the same sort of bird sounds and it takes them a good moment to realize that—- yep, “tall-dark-and-scary” just hooted at him like an owl. And now, apparently he’s not mocking him because Nightwing appears very happy about it and Robin also makes those weird little cheeps and trills that genuinely don’t sound like they should be coming from a human throat at all and—-

Yep, now Nightwing is??? Cuddling Robin???? Is that a thing?????? And making the softest bird noises yet?????? (One of the Titans definitely tries approaching them but the dead stare Dick gives them makes them backtrack very quickly. The message is clear: no approaching Robin.)

((Jason meanwhile jabs Dick in the ribs hard and pointedly makes his way over to the Titans to cheerfully say hello and let them know that if anything happens to Nightwing on their watch, he’s going to become their worst nightmare. The Titans are reluctantly impressed but also very much aware that Nightwing is still giving them that eerily blank stare that promises a world of pain if anybody even thinks about harming a hair on Robin’s head. Like they ever would. Batman’s wrath alone wouldn’t be worth it, but now they’re starting to see that Nightwing might be even scarier than him.

Wally eventually takes one for the team and introduces himself to Jason, offering to share some silly stories about Nightwing from their last mission and eat ice cream.The speedster is the first Titan to get his individual bird call.))

The Titans obviously aren’t going to question Batman hooting at Nightwing (no way, they value their skeletal integrity thank you very much) but that day, many wild rumors and speculations about Batman are born, some them gaining enough attention that JLA hear of them.

None of them want to ask, but the running bet is either that the Batfamily are all metas with bird characteristics (“It explains how they can stomach swinging through the city like that Roy! They’re meant to have wings, but now they have to compensate!”), or that they’re secretly some kind of eldritch entities that embody all the weirdness of Gotham City (“No Donna, think about it, it makes sense! Remember all those random owl statues and carvings around the city? They’re literally an embodiment of that cursed place!”)

[taymartiart]

Ni’meres.

They dived from the sky, faster than a charging horse. Those still on the lawn had no chance of escaping them. The ni’meres’ talons ripped into flesh and bone, tearing open backs and shoulders and piercing even the skulls of those fleeing.

From Fall of Ruin and Wrath by Jennifer L Armentrout

[daigah]

Tell us abt the teacher AU

Oooh having to put my thoughts into words..

Okay, so like Max is the principal and J'onn is the VP. They are both fed UP with the job, but still do genuinely like interacting with the students and teachers... even if it gives them a headache (if Max can't be a good guy in canon I cope and make him a good guy in my AU)

Bea is the fashion design and textiles teacher. The sewing room tends to be a hub for people who want a place to gossip and you best believe Bea is EAVESDROPPING. Sometimes her students just tell her gossip directly too. She goes home and goes to Tora like "you would not BELIEVE what Becky did..." (Tora and Bea live together. They're dating :])

Tora teaches ancient history, like about the Greeks, Romans, Norse, etc.. The students LOVE her and her room is sort of a safe place for anyone who's upset and needs an area to just hang out.

Guy teaches P.E. and a lot of the students DON'T like him, but he does forge a genuine connection with some students, especially those who have faced tough times. Bit of a dick but you tell him you've been bullied? he's always willing to stand up for you

Booster teaches history and is the football coach. Most students (football players or no) call him Coach affectionately. Some of them have got their hands on the "booster" nickname too from overhearing other teachers call him that.

Ted is the physics teacher and runs the robotics club. His room is filled with stupid, corny posters and he makes dumb, corny jokes all the time but the students adore him. Yk those videos of physics teachers doing absolutely insane experiments inside their high school classroom? That's Ted. It's all Ted. Him and Booster are married and the proposal took place in the dollar store because Booster saw two cheap plastic rings that were blue and gold and went "haha those are our colours :D" *gets down on one knee*. The only witness to this was a 15 yr old minimum wage worker. They regularly pop by the dollar general now and go "hey 👋👋" . Later on when they get Rani and Rip students see Ted with them and are like "omg Mr kord are those your kids???" And hes like "yea I grew them in a lab"

Sometimes the students will pick up on something between Beatora and Boostle and they just start gaslighting the students. Atp they don't really care but just want to see who gets found out first.

Scott was the mechanics teacher for a while before quitting to go run his fix-it shop. Barda teaches at the local elementary school. They regularly have Scott's old co-workers over for dinner :)

Also. Manga Khan teaches economics and runs the theatre club and L-Ron is his teacher assistant. Manga is still in love with L-Ron in this AU because I think it's really funny. Sometimes I think I hallucinated that plot point. The students like Manga because it's really easy to make him soliloquize and then they don't have to do work

[amarachireads]

I’m so excited for Cas pov if fbaa because I need to see more of his relationship with Kieran. There is so much of thier past I want to know!

[kilowogcore]

Oswald was a plant bein' mind controlled by Zatanna. Th' Grassy Knoll was Swamp Thing. Deadshot is more 'n capable of makin' a bullet move like magic, but the bullet was a distraction so we wouldn't notice the heat vision.

[mrs-jamesbbarnes]

Just finished A Light in the Flame by JLA and now my brain looks like this

And my camera roll looks like this while I try to come up with ways JLA could keep Sera alive (bc we know she and Nyktos are in stasis in the Blood and Ash series so she does LIVE as a primal SOMEHOW)

[thegoldenuzi]

OH MY GOD YESS TO EVERYTHING YOU SAID! I dragged this book out for an entire year. Like from the moment it came out I bought it and microdosed it. Now that I’m finished I immediately wanted to know what people thought (because I loved it) and I genuinely can’t believe JLA had to make a post about getting hate messages??? Simply because people don’t have the brain capacity to understand platonic intimacy??? With the past books a lot of people didn’t want the joining. I was indifferent about it. But when it happened it wasn’t even that crazy. She could’ve double stuffed Poppy but she emphasized their deep devotion to each other. How hard is it to comprehend non linear non romantic relationships. It was beautiful. Kieran’s care and support for Poppy while Cas was gone never gave “cheating” like I seen so many people say. It’s absolutely ridiculous how people reacted.

I really red the book SO FAST just to be able to go on the internet and interact w yall w ppl that share the same passion for these books as me I was so thrilled bc the book was AMAZING and everything was just PERFECT AND YALL HAVE THE AUDACITY TO WHINE LIKE BABIES ABOUT SPOILERS AND TALK SHIT ABOUT THE BOOK AND BE REALLY DISRESPECTFUL TO JLA ????? WHEN SHE GAVE US THAT MASTERPIECE ???

She didn’t ruin anything w this book it was written MANY TIMES that the feelings between poppy and kieran were DIFFERENT than the love between poppy and cas, the love between wife and husband. If you cannot comprehend that this is a sci-fi book and that even relationships are out of our own world than you’re just fcking dumb. Poppy said it herself cas and Kieran are soulmates, that does not mean they are in love LOVE, that means that their soul recognize and are made to understand each other, and poppy and Kieran are now developing the same kind of friendship. It is so sad to see that not even half of you don’t have the emotional intelligence to understand that the word love has many forms and meaning. I am kind of ashamed of your reactions since yall begged jla for the joining for a whole year and that the scene was perfectly written and balanced and she did not made it all weird.

[caffeinatedvigilantewriter]

A couple months into Dani’s 13 travels she ends up in Fawcett, homeless.

Billy, who 15, and still kept his identity a secret within the League and is still homeless comes across Dani and takes her under his wing. Danny is ghost king.

They become siblings, and Dani knows about Captain Marvel and Billy knows that she a halfa and ghost royalty

One day, the Justice League needs all hands on a deck for an alien invasion. Everyone is forced to call in every favor they are owed, and Billy calls Dani.

Dani arrived in her ghost princess outfit. Everyone is extremely confused.

JLA: who’s this…??

Marvel: my younger sister :)))

Dani: hi :)))

JLA: hi..??

The magic users, don’t know much bout ghost royalty, but they do know that the ghost king is the older brother of the ghost princess.

Captain Marvel’s the ghost king????

They also know that the Ghost King is extremely private (also checks out) so they don’t mention their theory to Marvel.

So whenever there’s an issue with ghosts or anything ghost related, they call in Captain Marvel.

Billy deals with the issue, using the skills Dani taught him, which further ‘proves’ the JLAs theory.

One day, some one attempted to summon a dangerous ghost, that even Captain Marvel can’t defeat.

So he calls in Danny.

The JLA and JLD are now very confused

[wanderingmind867]

Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman sll got colour themed anthologies. Superman got a red and blue series, Batman a Black and White series, and Wonder Woman a Black and Gold series. But... I want to propose we take this a step further. We have four other founding JLA members, after all. And while I'd love to do colour themed stuff for all sorts of characters, let's just start with those four. Here's my pitches:

Flash: Red and Gold. Red and Gold would also work great for a Captain Marvel/Shazam colour based anthology. Both Flash and Captain Marvel pretty much share colour schemes. But I think it would work pretty well in either case. There's so many good shades within these two colours.

Green Lantern: Green and Black. I think these two colours make the most sense. Hal Jordan's uniform is mostly Green, with some Black on it. And a series of comics in Green and Black sounds really pretty, honestly. Really, really pretty visually.

Aquaman: Orange and Blue. I know Aquaman's outfit is usually Orange and Green, but Orange and Blue just sounds like a far better complementary pairing. Aquaman in orange, reflected against the beautiful blues of the ocean? It sounds majestic. It would be perfect for a comic series, in my opinion.

Martian Manhunter: Green and Red. Yeah, J'onn gets the contrasting colours of Red and Green. Red and Green are two colours that complement each other really well (as i believe even basic colour theory touches on), so a comic in shades of Red and Green sounds perfect. Beautiful. So much could be told in these colours.

I could keep going from here, but you get the idea. I've proposed ideas for colour based anthologies with Flash, Captain Marvel/Shazam, Green Lantern, Aquaman and Martian Manhunter. And as long as there's interesting colour schemes, I can keep going here.

[batfamilycannons]

Tim Drake as qoutes I’ve heard people say

Tim:*banging on Jason’s front door* You can fool god but you can’t fool the IRS

—

Tim: Is that double earth? Cause it’s to early to be thinking about the multiverse theory.

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Tim: *in a Cecil Palmer voice* i can’t count. I don’t do math.

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Tim:*examples of why he should not be allowed in the kitchen* I need containers to make the salad. I could make it on the counter but I don’t think anyone would be happy about it.

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Tim: *monotone* You could do it but they would yell at you.

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Tim: I wonder what the temperature is.

*opens the door to look outside at a tropical storm*

Tim: the temperature is raining.

—

Damian: What is life?

Jason: crap

Tim: A terminal disease

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Tim: *trying to practice French grammar* Digo? what the fu-

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Tim: In France the drinking age is… are you alive?

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Bruce: Anyone have any challenges coming up? *in the terms of fencing he meant*

Tim: I have a physics test

Bruce: What?

Tim: What?

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Tim: Sunday, Monday, Dead, Wednesday

Jason: Is dead a synonym for Tuesday now?

Tim: Yes.

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Jason: What part of Indiana?

Tim: New Orleans

Dick: That’s Luisiana!

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Tim:*training with his team* If you don’t look like your dying your doing it wrong

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Tim:*running on no sleep and enough caffeine to kill a lesser man pt. 1* Is a fairy a job or a race?

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Tim: It was probably bought of the Black Market for 20 cents.

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*walking out of a JLA meeting*

Tim: I just got the best sleep of my life

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Tim:*no sleep Tim pt.2* Cocaine is diet sugar

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Tim:*no sleep Tim pt.3* life is a pyramid scheme

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Tim: I plan for nothing to go according to plan, so when nothing goes according to plan it will have gone according to plan

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Tim: My insanity is what keeps me sane

Ra’s:

Tim:

Ra’s: you are one of the few beings who truly scares me

Tim: *blinks one eye at a time*

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Tim:*to Bruce* Laziness is the greatest cause of productivity

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Tim:*running on no sleep pt. Who knows* I’ve done enough dishes to last a lifetime, IF I WAS STRAIGHT

Connor: What does this mean??

[dcdreamblog]

You have any cool trivia about the time Axis America attacked the Perisphere, and they were seen off by the Young All-Stars? All I know is the weird trivia that both groups had line-ups that seem eerily similar to each other and to the Justice League.

(Sidenote, are there any theories about that?)

Sure. The Battle of Flushing Meadows (named after the park where the Trylon and the Perisphere now sit) was actually the inaugural battle of the Young All Stars, who certainly weren't a team the All Stars had expected to put together.

(TW below, nazi imagery)

(A lineup of Axis Amerika from an internal Nazi file captured post war, marked under "Projekt: Gesellschaft")

The Axis Amerika was interesting because, as its name implied, it was not a team active on the actual fronts of the war but was a fifth columnist group made up of homegrown fascist elements from right here in the USA, recruiting mostly for American fascist groups. Its lineup was majority German-American but on member "Usil, the Sun Archer" was later identified as an Italian-American and they had attempted to recruit young Nisei Miya Shimada to their cause after her parents were interned from their home on the west coast.

The Young All-Star's lineup had come from all over

(Poster of the Young All-Stars produced c. 1943 for propaganda purposes)

Left to Right: Iron Munro, Fury, Neptune Perkins, Tsunami, Flying Fox and Dan the Dyna-Mite.

The team was "assembled" more or less because they happened to be present when the attack went down. Axis Amerika's target had of course been the All Stars themselves. Team members Johnny Quick and Liberty Belle were quickly taken out of the fight when Iron Munro, Flying Fox and Fury jumped in, holding off the fascist invaders long enough to force a retreat when Green Lantern arrived.

Neptune Perkins and Tsunami (who Axis Amerika had previously tried to recruit) were inducted into the "team" along with Dan the Dyna-Mite who had recently lost his beloved partner TNT in a battle with nazi saboteurs where he and Munro had first met.

Now having this small but notable group of underage superhumans needing guidance, the All Stars decided basically on a whim to assemble the group into a team. The All Stars, despite the nature of their membership, were always low on manpower so a few extra hands were not going to be refused due to age (especially since a good chunk of the Squadron's membership already had young partners or wards) As for the second part of your question, you're not wrong. Both teams and the most iconic lineups of the JLA have: Invulnerable and Super Strong (Ubermensch/Iron Munro/ Superman) Based off of flying, nocturnal animals (Great Horned Owl/Flying Fox/Batman) Female warrior with basis in pagan mythology (Gurda/Fury/Wonder Woman) Young sidekick to a more expirienced fighter (The Bat/Dyna-Mite/Robin)

Aquatic superhuman (Sea Wolf/Neptune Perkins/Aquaman) and Archer (Usil/Tigress/Green Arrow)

I really couldn't tell you why though, other than the stars aligning to place these archetypes at these moments in time. Whether that coincidence has some sort of meaning for you is a question for a spirit medium, not a historian.

[superswimteam7]

Flash died in 1985's Crisis. In spite of that death, he has over 10 appearances between his death and resurrection. Several of those, are in Marvel Comics somehow?

We may have uncovered a long hidden multiversal narrative that challenges everything we know about canon and DC/Marvel lore.

This was supposed to be a video about how Flash visited the Marvel universe, and how Mantis was a DC character for a few years, but by the end I'm discussing religious theology and French literary theory.

And somehow this all ties back to the 2003 JLA/Avengers crossover. This is a wild one. The Hyper Crisis starts here!

[tomboy014]

I’m mostly going off of fanon when it comes to Constantine, so bear with me, but after all the times Constantine has complained to the JLA for dragging him into whatever problem they’ve managed to bumble into, Batman and Oracle have started looking for alternative occult and supernatural consultants, but it’s not like they can just look someone up in the phone book… right?

Except that’s exactly where Oracle finds Harry Dresden, Professional Wizard. 

There aren’t many records Oracle’s able to pull up, and what she does find is a mixed bag.  He’s got a fairly decent record working as a consultant with the Chicago PD, but he’s also worked with known criminal organizations.  There’s a pending lawsuit with TV studio over some wrecked equipment, good reviews from his former landlady, and a mix of dissatisfied and very satisfied customers, but it seems like, for the most part, he gets results. 

Plus, his rates are reasonable and he’s willing to travel; might as well bring him in on a trial run.

Nothing big at first.  Break up a new cult, disprove a haunting, all much smaller and easier than what he usually deals with back in Chicago.  He’s even managed to not burn down a building or two while he’s been here.  And while his methods can be… unorthodox, he can hold his own in a fight using both magical and mundane methods.  He’s a good detective and can work a crime scene.  He’s a hell of a lot more personable than Constantine.  Most importantly, he’s willing to teach.  Giant dork that he is, he’s eager to explain the magical theory behind his methods.

After a few months, Batman asks if Dresden is willing to be brought on full time, so to speak, and work his first “big” case.

“Only if you can provide a babysitter.” 

…What?

The Carpenter’s are on their family trip, and he doesn’t really have anyone else who can watch his kid.  He can only help if they can get him a babysitter.

Not what any of the Bats were expecting, but Batman can call in a “favor.”

Cue Dresden rolling up to Wayne Manor with little Maggie and her trusty sidekick, Mouse, in tow.

Alfred gets Maggie and Mouse settled in, and once she’s out of the room, Dresden turns to Bruce Wayne and casually asks if he gets to see the Batcave.

Dresden is aware he’s not always the brightest crayon in the toolshed, but he’s still a damn good detective, and he knows people.  It didn’t take him long to puzzle out that Bruce and the kids are vigilantes.  Bruce isn’t happy, but it does make things easier going forward.

Other than Tim, the Birds take to Dresden quickly.  He’s good with kids, never talking down to them, and is full of dorky movie and book references.  He can sling almost as much sass and sarcasm around as Steph.  Maggie is tiny and adorable and looks like a mini-Cass they can all coo over.  And Damian cannot get enough of Mouse who is just so large and fluffy and so much dog!  Tim doesn’t want Dresden to come anywhere near him; he shorts out every tablet and has to stay at least 20ft from the Bat Computer to keep it from shorting out.

So, Dresden finally works with the Justice League on some big, world-ending doomsday case, and yeah, this is unfortunately the speed he’s used to working at.  And, of course, a building burns down, but it was mostly not his fault!  But, everyone comes out more or less in one piece, the day is saved, and a bruised and beaten Dresden drags himself back to Wayne manor to recover before heading back to Chicago.

Just a normal day for Harry Dresden, professional wizard and supernatural consultant for the Justice League of America.

Still a much better deal than he’s used to getting.  The pay is good, and he doesn’t have to constantly watch his back against his own teammates.  Perk of working with superheroes; they’re generally good guys. 

But the biggest perks have been the positive effects on his daughter, Maggie.  It’s no Chez Carpenter, but the Manor and all the bat kids have a strong and warm family vibe of their own.  They’re (worryingly) good at helping talk her down from panic attacks and PTSD episodes.  They’ve got a lot of parenting advice to give, too.

And Maggie can finally get the therapy she needs from Black Canary without Dresden worrying about her being thrown into a loony bin for talking about the literal monsters she’ been exposed to.  Harry, too.

This is the best Harry and Maggie have been doing in a long time.

John Constantine, on the other hand, is getting worried.  The JLA have gone a suspiciously long time without getting themselves into trouble, and despite the way he acts, he does care in his own way, so he goes to check on them.  And who does he find they’ve invited into their house?  Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden, apprentice of Justin DuMorne, son of Margaret LeFay, fiancé to Lara Raith of the White Court of Vampires, and the right-hand goon of the Dark Faerie Queen herself, Mab.  For Dresden, he can’t believe John Constantine, renegade warlock, necromance and black magic practitioner, just walked in.  He’s been on the Warden’s list for years. 

Both parties are trying to make their case about why they shouldn’t be using the other; they’re evil!  But the more Dresden and Constantine yell and argue with each other, the more they realize that they’re both working outside boundaries, but generally in the direction of good.  The two end up in positions that require them to work together, and it goes surprisingly well.  Their knowledge and experiences complement each other’s, and they make a well-oiled, if reluctant, duo.

[hawkgirlz]

going to be honest. it might sound dumb but my theory on geoff johns making that deal with grant morrison for kendra to die in blackest night instead of final crisis was that kendra was supposed to come back after shiera got turned to dust but n52 interfered so we never really got it.

i personally think there was gonna be a lesson about how carter was so into the idea of shiera being back as he always wanted shiera since the minute kendra revived him, a pivotal plot point in hawkman 2002, but he would've later realized none of it was worth it at kendra's expense and that's why there was no funeral for her.

because the more i think about it, i don't think gj of all writers would be stupid enough to not hold a funeral for kendra. i genuinely think the real reason he never held one was because he always intended on her coming back. it's just too big of a detail.

and it also reminds me how kendra's funeral had already been drawn in mcduffie's jla for final crisis and roy would visit her grave but because of that deal gj made last minute, it never really happened and mcduffie had to change the dialogue to roy being in a graveyard for no apparent reason because the art was already turned in. like geoff johns KNEW a funeral should be held for her but he didn't do it. and he clearly enjoyed writing her too. she was 100% supposed to come back.

how could i forgot the fact that speed saunders never showed up either? like you're telling me THIS speed had no clue kendra died? the one geoff made ask carter to look after kendra? come on.

you know what my personal take would've been? my personal take is that carter would've found kendra alive again somewhere maybe in st. roch, but all her memories that came after shiera had revived her had been erased when she was revived so she would've remembered nothing from being 18 and onwards. i think that would've been a perfect ending to the arc as carter would've really lost everything and kendra would get to be happy since her parents' killer was gone which i'm sure she'd find out and carter would basically suffer because kendra has another memory loss plot but WORSE 🙈

[chernobog13]

Neal Adams' cover to DC 100-Page Super Spectacular #6 (august, 1971).

This issue reprinted the very first Justice League of America/Justice Society of America crossover from Justice League of America (vol. 1) #21-22 (August & September, 1963). Also featured were solo stories starring the Spectre, Johnny Quick, the Vigilante and Wildcat from the Golden Age, and a Silver Age Hawkman solo story.

There has been some confusion over the years as to why Adams included many characters on this cover who weren't featured in those stories. My theory is that in order to fill-out the cover he decided to include the entire rosters of both the JLA and JSA as they stood in 1971, with Earth-One Robin thrown in for good measure.

[tacagen]

Healthy Eobarry AU

(yes its just called that. no there is no actual romance, the word eobarry is here only so i dont have to write 'barry and eobard' all the time im talking about them. some things are very close to that tho but thats just the way it always is with thawne.)

the core idea: eobard is still a flash fan from the 25th century with a huge crush but he never wanted to be a hero like barry. he always wanted to go back in time and become flash's archnemesis instead, so there is no rejection abandonment and disappointment drama at all. not a single trace of canon hatred, thawne just wants to have some good time with his favorite hero in a weird way. barry, on the other hand, has no idea what the fuck is even going on. the vibe is most reminiscent of silver age eobarry. their dynamic:

ALSO their dynamic: this jla short

the lore:

they first meet in 21st century. eobard just finds barry, comes up to him like 'omg hi flash!! im your fan from the future and i just synthesized myself the speedforce connection to go back in time and meet you irl :)', waits exactly until barry believes and starts marveling at that fact, goes 'BUT THERE'S ALSO THIS LITTLE THING YOU SHOULD KNOW :)))) youre probably wondering why these colors. well, i call myself the reverse-flash and actually im here to cause problems for you on purpose. NOW CATCH ME IF YOU CAN :D', runs off to break the brakes of a bus carrying children or something like that while barry stands for a few seconds like 'huh. reverse? where are you going?'

right after barry, utterly confused and shocked, averts the situation thawne caused, he goes 'WHAT THE ACTUAL HELL WAS THAT?? DIDNT YOU JUST SAY YOU WERE MY FAN??' which thawne answers with 'wow. you really thought i was one of these boring "my favourite person of all time inspired me to become a hero like them" rip-offs with no imagination, didnt you? tsk tsk, i am so disappointed'

secrecy of their identities to each other isnt a thing since the very first fight. 'by the way, my name is eobard thawne! and i know you're barry allen, i actually know most of the 21st century heroes' identities but i promise you can trust me with that!'. indeed, he doesnt reveal this to anyone or threaten to do so but trust isnt exactly the right word either as thawne fucking loves visiting barry while they're both in their civil clothes at times + itwasmebarry still becomes a thing (elaborated on further below).

thawne is faster than barry here from the very beginning on pure theory and little to no speedster experience but only because barry just desperatly tries to process all the information he recieves from thawne every time they fight along with handling whatever endangering civilians shit eo does and he isnt doing well. at all. like, it does require a lot of hard effort not to lose your mind while constantly being hit with stuff like 'OOOHH DID I MENTION THAT I WORK AS THE CURATOR OF THE FLASH MUSEUM IN THE 25TH CENTURY?!? BTW WE STUDY YOUR HISTORY IN SCHOOL IN COMICS FORM, ISNT THAT AMAZING?!!'

thawne never shuts up. thawne genuinely enjoys the whole thing and admires barry an impossible amount and he's always fascinated by every aspect of the speed force, especially seeing and using it in action. thawne never acts like a normal villain as in 'commit crime->run away/fight the hero/watch the chaos'. he does something that endangeres people's lives (ALWAYS in front of barry because that is the whole point) then runs alongside barry as he saves everyone, never initiating the fight and ENDLESSLY commenting on everything barry does with consideration of flash facts, speed force and other physics stuff and even barry's personal background. it always goes like 'must do this and this to get everyone to safety!-' and thawne, instantly from somwhere behind barry's left shoulder: 'YES you DO, because this this and this and of course you could try that but-' and it goes on for 5 minutes on superspeed at the very least. from a non-speedster perspective, it looks like two blurs with lightnings, red and yellow, are saving people and going with some kind of weird squeaking high-pitched sound, which is never there if there is only flash around.

by the way, the rule that it is Very important for thawne to touch barry at any given chance and prolong it by going faster than him is still present. the same goes for becoming a speedster partially to have an opportunity to get away from 25th century and its mildly or not so dystopian shit and boringness. doesnt really realize the first part tho, sometimes casually drops some crazy ass facts about his future as something totally normal (like that one good-bad detection chair from silver age that gets a cameo in rs) and gets confused when the reaction is something like '.....i am so sorry.'

THE SAME ALSO GOES FOR 'IT WAS ME BARRY', its just way more lighthearted and has the purpose only of annoying and messing with barry through slight inconveniences in his life and it is a whole another part of their enemyship outside of the usual tag games. examples: 1. barry in his lab, extremely tired and almost exhausted, stumbles on air, says 'dammit eobard, this again??'. thawne unphases nearby with an offended look, goes 'HEY. THAT WASNT ME.', demonstratively pushes barry's mug with coffee off the table like a cat, 'now this was me, barry', grins and runs off before barry can do anything; 2. imagine thawne's excitement when he plays chess in iron heights, looks away, notices yellow lightnings with the corner of his eye and turns to the board again only to find that his queen is gone. the very next encounter starts with thawne running around barry in circles like 'it was you. it was you. IT WAS YOU! ITWASYOUWASNTIT!!'

this thawne is incapable of murdering anyone close to barry or ever hurt him at all. the best he can do is threaten anyone's life in barry's sight (and he knows barry will save everyone. more, he never arranges the events with the chance of barry not being fast enough to save every single life threatened so it isnt a big deal) because in other case he just wont come out to play with him :( ((i dont think thawne's generally capable of murder here? he feels too silly for that to me))

following important things: 1. barry obviously never killed thawne because he never did anything that extreme. 2. nora allen is alive and well and probably met thawne personally. he visits her in his civil clothes and acts in the nicest way possible, barry hears about the mysterious friend from work he never mentioned later and chokes on tea as nora recalls 'what did he say his name was? edward taurine?' 3. BARRY'S DOG IS STILL DEAD THO but it actually was an accident. he still blames himself for not shutting the back door that day in the way he blames himself for the not emotional enough postcard for his grandma in dc superhero girls. (see also: this vid but its about the dog instead of nora) ((ALSO thawne is most likely actively empathetic about it because he cant stand seeing barry sad or hurt. unfortunately he is also actively neurodivergent so that turns out to be awkward))

they team up often but barry is never aware of that as it happens out of his control. thawne has every single event that threatened barry marked in his calendar and an alarm set for it and he just shows up there like 'fuck you, this is MY archnemesis/idol/inspiration and nobody is going to fucking hurt him'

barry is generally always in the state of confusion when it comes to thawne. he doesnt understand what's going on like 80% of the time. as thawne never gets any clearer to him, barry just accepts that this, at some point, is now a part of his life.

instead of love letters, thawne writes and sends barry personally discovered speed force equations like 'look!! this is how it all works there!!' and occasionally mentions other science things discovered after 21st century. barry reads all that, understands and sometimes uses those against thawne who is completely delighted by that.

one day thawne manages to lock barry up in anti-meta cell and spends the following 3 hours on MATHEMATICALLY PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF THE SPEEDFORCE TO HIM STEP BY STEP, reciting his dissertation verbatim which was written in the context of no one knowing and caring about the concept.

thawne participates in the legion of doom and other supercriminal associations out of 'is flash gonna be there?? whatever youre planning im in, just leave him to me and me alone'. probably doesnt even listen to the scheme details and learns about it directly from barry in the final fight when he asks him 'eobard?? what?? the?? fuck?? why are you participating in something that's ultimate goal is DESTROYING THE FUTURE??'. (or others just stopped telling him the details, OR he doesnt listen on purpose after that one time he edited the whole plan like 'oh cmon do you actually think you could succeed with THIS?? let me show you how its actually done' only for them to lose epically. whats worse is that thawne saw it as something obvious. 'wait you really thought it would work?? cmon the whole point of being a supervillain is that the good guys always stop you no matter what you come up with.' they naturally never let him speak on the plans again which he responded with 'WHATEVER. YOU DO YOU IG. NOT GONNA INTERFERE AGAIN :/') unironically protects barry in group fights if any other villain is trying to aid him against the flash and attacks his own allies for that (barry once uses that to his advantage to take out the whole legion one by one lmfao. thawne genuinely doesnt notice that he is the only one standing until barry mentions it. he takes a moment to look around and that's when barry takes him out, too). as you can figure, he doesnt get invited into villain associations often, and if he does its usually the last resort bc he is a Genius Even By Future's Standards and therefore one of the most competent scientists out there.

nobody wants to sit at the same table with thawne in iron heights or interact at all because he instantly starts infodumping about the flash and their relationship. you accidentally get closer than like 2m to him and after a few seconds he just goes 'me and flash are best enemies, you know? we even always wear matching suits, oh and did you know-'

thawne gets mad if you compare his suit with kid flash because his suit has a Deep Idea and acktually he got to 21st century before wally was also struck by lightning and therefore was here first (yep, he did that on purpose and it gets revealed the very same moment he mentions it)

speaking of kid flash. thawne argues with him at any given chance because fighting a literal child on who is the biggest flash fan is something he would do on a daily basis. it just feels right (and it shouldve happened in canon at this point at least once. fucking Come On dc. almost 60 years of thawne's existence and for what!!). his points are that: he is the flash's Equal (even in height. thawne is very fucking proud of that fact) and not a pathetic sidekick; he got powers after years of hard scientific work and not by coming to barry's lab at the right moment; he is an Expert, a Professor, a Curator of the flash museum and knows everything about flashes, including the things they dont know themselves yet (he accidentally reveals that wally is also gonna be the flash but is quick to claim that he was the slowest and dumbest of them all and actually fuck you ima erase that from the timeline later), 'therefore l + ratio + IM his biggest fan and there is nothing you can do about it' 'lmaoooo who the heck taught you these words?? dude you sound so cringe. like do you even know what ratio means??' '*thinking it's just a figure of speech from 21st century literature classics or something like that for his whole life* well i- h- wh- DONT CHANGE THE SUBJECT.' wally doesnt care at all and just trolls him, harshly at times. he doesnt take thawne even a little bit seriously, which eo tragically doesnt realize.

thawne's comedically jealous of barry to iris between the lines and is completely unaware of that. the same thing going on with the rogues about emenyship with barry but that one is direct and on purpose. probably fucking jumps in their fights with flash like 'hi i just took out cap cold for you no need to thank me <3 now, can WE dance?? :|' every now and then. probably it gets super awkward when they inevitably end up in iron heights together that same day. honestly i think every supervillain who met thawne wants to kill him at this point. he's extremely annoying, both on purpose and not

thawne finds and starts nitpicking the first curators and architects of the flash museum in 21st century from the very project stage like 'NO it should stand THE OTHER WAY everyone shut up im from the future i Know Better'. it continues right until barry comes to pick him up and apologise for the inconvenience. 'eobard, i know this place means... a lot to you but please let history run its course. i mean, arent you risking your whole existence by trying to make these changes?' 'BUT THEY'RE DOING IT WRONG >:('

CANONICALLY ALMOST DROWNS 3M AWAY FROM A BRIDGE WHILE TRYING TO RUN ON WATER WITHOUT KNOWING HOW TO DO THAT YET OR AT LEAST HOW TO SWIM. every time barry mentions that incident thawne blushes like hell out of shame. imagine being saved from the lake by your crush/nemesis/everything who is actually Worried that you almost drowned out of your own stupidity which kind of covers the cringefail at first so youre enjoying the Moment but then you hear 'why did you even decide to run across the lake, there was a bridge nearby?'. thawne BEGS barry not to tell anyone (and especially wally). that probably was the first time thawne actually stayed in iron heights for longer than half an hour without getting out the very second everyone looks away on barry's condition of secrecy. now, the funniest part? if thawne hadnt shown that it was cringe even to him, barry wouldnt even say a single thing any further. to him it was a usual impossible to grasp shit thawne does every single encounter.

thawne considers heroes and their morals objectively dumb but his thoughts on barry having the same mindset are 'god he is SO adorably naive. so pure. so innocent. havent done anything wrong in his life. sweetest cinnamon roll of all times'. occasionally tells him that out loud because he has no fucking shame except when it comes to the lake incident

his own set of morals is just 'be gay do crime' where be gay stands for teaming up with barry on practically everything that isnt their one on one fights.

following: other villains are dumb to him as well. sometimes complains to barry about how nobody Understands him and his superior taste in being a supervillain, especially in the legion. poor barry just tries to get some rest between work and superheroing and then thawne casually comes running out of fucking nowhere, lies down on his lap and starts venting about how barry is the only one that Gets him on superspeed.