#jla theory

[ghost-bxrd]

(Don't know if this was asked already but)

What are the Titan's first reaction to Dick calling to them in owl hoots?

And what's their reaction to Batman answering Dick the same way?

At first he wouldn’t make any birds sounds around them at all, opting to wear contacts and talk as little as possible.

The first time they witness the bird sounds would probably be in response to Robin hijacking the comms after Dick didn’t check in with him at the alotted time, suddenly Nightwing is just standing off to the side, hooting and chirping softly in the the comms.

The titans are definitely confused because??? They thought Nightwing was human???? But apparently the name means something after all so whatever. If they can have an alien on the team then a bird-man-whatever is nothing. And Dick, upon seeing that they really don’t care at all, starts making bird sounds more frequently around them. And the Titans likewise learn to interpret some of the sounds (“look!” Is a sharp hoot, “stop!” a chittering hiss, and “nice-move-but-I’m-going-to-show-you-where-it-really-hurts-now” is an amused little chirrup).

The real surprise is Batman and Robin responding to Nightwing with the same sort of bird sounds and it takes them a good moment to realize that—- yep, “tall-dark-and-scary” just hooted at him like an owl. And now, apparently he’s not mocking him because Nightwing appears very happy about it and Robin also makes those weird little cheeps and trills that genuinely don’t sound like they should be coming from a human throat at all and—-

Yep, now Nightwing is??? Cuddling Robin???? Is that a thing?????? And making the softest bird noises yet?????? (One of the Titans definitely tries approaching them but the dead stare Dick gives them makes them backtrack very quickly. The message is clear: no approaching Robin.)

((Jason meanwhile jabs Dick in the ribs hard and pointedly makes his way over to the Titans to cheerfully say hello and let them know that if anything happens to Nightwing on their watch, he’s going to become their worst nightmare. The Titans are reluctantly impressed but also very much aware that Nightwing is still giving them that eerily blank stare that promises a world of pain if anybody even thinks about harming a hair on Robin’s head. Like they ever would. Batman’s wrath alone wouldn’t be worth it, but now they’re starting to see that Nightwing might be even scarier than him.

Wally eventually takes one for the team and introduces himself to Jason, offering to share some silly stories about Nightwing from their last mission and eat ice cream.The speedster is the first Titan to get his individual bird call.))

The Titans obviously aren’t going to question Batman hooting at Nightwing (no way, they value their skeletal integrity thank you very much) but that day, many wild rumors and speculations about Batman are born, some them gaining enough attention that JLA hear of them.

None of them want to ask, but the running bet is either that the Batfamily are all metas with bird characteristics (“It explains how they can stomach swinging through the city like that Roy! They’re meant to have wings, but now they have to compensate!”), or that they’re secretly some kind of eldritch entities that embody all the weirdness of Gotham City (“No Donna, think about it, it makes sense! Remember all those random owl statues and carvings around the city? They’re literally an embodiment of that cursed place!”)

[taymartiart]

Ni’meres.

They dived from the sky, faster than a charging horse. Those still on the lawn had no chance of escaping them. The ni’meres’ talons ripped into flesh and bone, tearing open backs and shoulders and piercing even the skulls of those fleeing.

From Fall of Ruin and Wrath by Jennifer L Armentrout

[daigah]

Tell us abt the teacher AU

Oooh having to put my thoughts into words..

Okay, so like Max is the principal and J'onn is the VP. They are both fed UP with the job, but still do genuinely like interacting with the students and teachers... even if it gives them a headache (if Max can't be a good guy in canon I cope and make him a good guy in my AU)

Bea is the fashion design and textiles teacher. The sewing room tends to be a hub for people who want a place to gossip and you best believe Bea is EAVESDROPPING. Sometimes her students just tell her gossip directly too. She goes home and goes to Tora like "you would not BELIEVE what Becky did..." (Tora and Bea live together. They're dating :])

Tora teaches ancient history, like about the Greeks, Romans, Norse, etc.. The students LOVE her and her room is sort of a safe place for anyone who's upset and needs an area to just hang out.

Guy teaches P.E. and a lot of the students DON'T like him, but he does forge a genuine connection with some students, especially those who have faced tough times. Bit of a dick but you tell him you've been bullied? he's always willing to stand up for you

Booster teaches history and is the football coach. Most students (football players or no) call him Coach affectionately. Some of them have got their hands on the "booster" nickname too from overhearing other teachers call him that.

Ted is the physics teacher and runs the robotics club. His room is filled with stupid, corny posters and he makes dumb, corny jokes all the time but the students adore him. Yk those videos of physics teachers doing absolutely insane experiments inside their high school classroom? That's Ted. It's all Ted. Him and Booster are married and the proposal took place in the dollar store because Booster saw two cheap plastic rings that were blue and gold and went "haha those are our colours :D" *gets down on one knee*. The only witness to this was a 15 yr old minimum wage worker. They regularly pop by the dollar general now and go "hey 👋👋" . Later on when they get Rani and Rip students see Ted with them and are like "omg Mr kord are those your kids???" And hes like "yea I grew them in a lab"

Sometimes the students will pick up on something between Beatora and Boostle and they just start gaslighting the students. Atp they don't really care but just want to see who gets found out first.

Scott was the mechanics teacher for a while before quitting to go run his fix-it shop. Barda teaches at the local elementary school. They regularly have Scott's old co-workers over for dinner :)

Also. Manga Khan teaches economics and runs the theatre club and L-Ron is his teacher assistant. Manga is still in love with L-Ron in this AU because I think it's really funny. Sometimes I think I hallucinated that plot point. The students like Manga because it's really easy to make him soliloquize and then they don't have to do work

[caffeinatedvigilantewriter]

A couple months into Dani’s 13 travels she ends up in Fawcett, homeless.

Billy, who 15, and still kept his identity a secret within the League and is still homeless comes across Dani and takes her under his wing. Danny is ghost king.

They become siblings, and Dani knows about Captain Marvel and Billy knows that she a halfa and ghost royalty

One day, the Justice League needs all hands on a deck for an alien invasion. Everyone is forced to call in every favor they are owed, and Billy calls Dani.

Dani arrived in her ghost princess outfit. Everyone is extremely confused.

JLA: who’s this…??

Marvel: my younger sister :)))

Dani: hi :)))

JLA: hi..??

The magic users, don’t know much bout ghost royalty, but they do know that the ghost king is the older brother of the ghost princess.

Captain Marvel’s the ghost king????

They also know that the Ghost King is extremely private (also checks out) so they don’t mention their theory to Marvel.

So whenever there’s an issue with ghosts or anything ghost related, they call in Captain Marvel.

Billy deals with the issue, using the skills Dani taught him, which further ‘proves’ the JLAs theory.

One day, some one attempted to summon a dangerous ghost, that even Captain Marvel can’t defeat.

So he calls in Danny.

The JLA and JLD are now very confused

[morganbritton132]

I love the thought of ‘The JLA doesn’t know Batman has kids’ overlapping with ‘Bruce is a single father of multiple children.’

Like, the JLA is about to send out a search party because Batman is five minutes late to a meeting when he shows up with a police report, satellite pictures, and a coloring book.

Green Arrow: …Is that a coloring book? What’s that for?

Batman:

Batman: Coloring.

They’re aiding in the cleanup after a battle in Metropolis. Superman is being interviewed when Lois’ pen stops working. Supes asks, “Batman, do you have something to write with?”

In Bruce’s utility belt, he has a confiscated yo-yo, three broken colored pencil recently removed from the flesh of two different kids, and a Wayne Enterprises pen that Tim scribbled an ‘-ED’ after so it says WEED. Bruce gives Lois the pen and then disappears.

One day, Batman is working on something at the Watchtower. Barry is reaching to pour his second cup of coffee for the day when Bats says without looking up, “Don’t you dare.”

Barry did not dare. He pulled his hand back.

Unbeknownst to Barry, Bruce was on coms listening to his children argue about the physics of a crime scene and Dick had just suggested they test a theory by throwing one of them off the roof handcuffed.

[vestroiarae]

Actually insane about this

In his mini comic, Roy doesn't want to be like Oliver and doesn't have aspirations to be the next Green Arrow either. But he still wanted to be worthy of it, he wanted to be considered and acknowledged. He wanted to be his own man, equal to GA. He needed Ollie to look at him and say he trusts him, sees him and respects him. To acknowledge Roy is making an effort to be a better man. We, as readers, know Roy wasn't ready yet, maybe Ollie knew it too. Hell maybe Roy knew it as well, but to know something in theory doesn't mean you can't be disappointed and hurt. Here he got a clear message: Oliver didn't consider him worthy.

In JLA '06 Roy is finally his equal, he's Red Arrow and he's in JLA amongst gods and people he looked up to his whole life, he's been in superhero business longer than some of them and he knows it. He doesn't question why he's been invited and not Ollie, because he knows he's worthy of it.

he answers a question about his physical wellbeing, but he doesn't say "I'm good", he says "I'm perfect". And he knows it. He's confident and doesn't doubt his abilities or his position in the league. He called himself Red Arrow because he's an equal to Green Arrow. It's a family business and he's no longer being left behind.

[wanderingmind867]

Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman sll got colour themed anthologies. Superman got a red and blue series, Batman a Black and White series, and Wonder Woman a Black and Gold series. But... I want to propose we take this a step further. We have four other founding JLA members, after all. And while I'd love to do colour themed stuff for all sorts of characters, let's just start with those four. Here's my pitches:

Flash: Red and Gold. Red and Gold would also work great for a Captain Marvel/Shazam colour based anthology. Both Flash and Captain Marvel pretty much share colour schemes. But I think it would work pretty well in either case. There's so many good shades within these two colours.

Green Lantern: Green and Black. I think these two colours make the most sense. Hal Jordan's uniform is mostly Green, with some Black on it. And a series of comics in Green and Black sounds really pretty, honestly. Really, really pretty visually.

Aquaman: Orange and Blue. I know Aquaman's outfit is usually Orange and Green, but Orange and Blue just sounds like a far better complementary pairing. Aquaman in orange, reflected against the beautiful blues of the ocean? It sounds majestic. It would be perfect for a comic series, in my opinion.

Martian Manhunter: Green and Red. Yeah, J'onn gets the contrasting colours of Red and Green. Red and Green are two colours that complement each other really well (as i believe even basic colour theory touches on), so a comic in shades of Red and Green sounds perfect. Beautiful. So much could be told in these colours.

I could keep going from here, but you get the idea. I've proposed ideas for colour based anthologies with Flash, Captain Marvel/Shazam, Green Lantern, Aquaman and Martian Manhunter. And as long as there's interesting colour schemes, I can keep going here.

[dcdreamblog]

Are the Birds of Prey real? I mean, I know all the heroes commonly put under that group label actually exist. But are they functionally a unit led by a JLA connected information broker called Oracle, rather than just some of them know each other and like to team up.

I ask cause you see the media slapping names on team ups all the time and nothing comes of it. I remember one time the second Blue Beetle worked with the original Question, Captain Atom, the briefly existing second Peacemaker and a few others one time the JLA got knocked out of this dimension and reports were calling them the L.A.W.(all caps, a period after each letter like it was an acronym. No idea what it was supposed to stand for.) and nothing ever came of it. And Gothamites know if Catwoman is seen near Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn then the Gotham City Sirens are out and about. It can get pretty ridiculous

Ah, Oracle. Queen of superheroine conspiracy theories. If I had a nickel for every place she was accused of intervening compared to the places she actually DID I would be a very rich man.

And she probably likes it that way.

(The famous/infamous "mask" icon that serves as Oracle's digital calling card) The Birds of Prey are a hard category to pin down. The most "core" members of the "team" are Oracle, Batgirl (no don't ask me which one no one can seem to agree), Black Canary, Huntress and Lady Blackhawk. Though basically any heroine who has been in and around Gotham for any length of time has been roped in. Catwoman, Cynthia Reynolds, Hawk and Dove, Big Barda, Hawkgirl, the modern Judomaster, Misfit, Power Girl, Vixen and the list goes on and one. To answer your question in the firmest way possible. No, no official team by the name "The Birds of Prey" appears in or is legitimized by any official records from the Justice League or any other public facing superhero team. That being SAID that is a VERY narrow marker by which to define "existence" and it goes into some of the vagaries you mentioned with what a superhero team is. A superhero team is basically just any amount of superheroes gathering together for some common purpose, whether that be general or specific. While the most famous teams all of us are familiar with like the Justice League, Justice Society, Teen Titans, Global Guardians, etc are all public facing with some of kind of widely accessible history, records, a known base of operations and the like that is by FAR not the norm when it comes to these things. Many hero teams are stuck together by simple association. If enough people call the lady antivillains of Gotham the Sirens, then the Sirens they are. That's how words are defined, enough people accept what they mean that arguing their existence becomes an exercise in pedantry. Other heroes teams are fleeting and temporary, stuck together to deal with a single or a small group of threats before dissolving back into the ether. Most heroes teams are NOT the Justice League who keep meticulous records of accepted membership and most teams are CERTAINLY not the All Star Squadron where membership was a legislation defined position that came with written benefits and responsibilities. Most superheroes teams are only uncovered after the fact, finding their outline in records, accounts and interviews. That isn't to imply that if they DO exist that they're somehow an illicit or "illegal" organization. Any group with THAT membership operating for any length of time in Gotham of all places would be well known to the wider superhero community which I always like to remind people keeps much if not most of its information close to the chest for a lot of good reasons. So, the utterly unhelpful answer is No but also Yes but also Maybe but also ask me in 20 years.

[sarksarkos]

DC 1955: Hey kids, it's Batman!

This is Batman #92 (1955) and oh my god Batman's got a doggo it's wearing a little batman mask! 10/10, 5 stars, greatest comic ever.

Modern Batman adaptations have really done Robin dirty, but nobody got done dirtier than Ace the Bat-Hound. When you're fighting criminals, a child acrobat in short pants is one thing, a trained attack dog is another. Heck, as soon as they rescue Ace from a river, he's instantly able to operate as a crime fighter, and is smart enough to recognize the bat-signal. My theory? Ace is the secret descendant of Rex the Wonder Dog, DC's immortal war hero dog with the same origin and powers as Captain America.

This is the era that Alan Moore famously called the "Smiley Uncle Batman," and this Batman has never had a bad day in his life. There's a story in Batman #96 where one of his friends turns evil, tries to kill him, deduces his secret identity, has a heart attack, and dies begging for forgiveness, he still ends the story with a smile and a wink.

The comics of this time are credited to Bob Kane, but do not believe that man's lies! These stories were all written by Bill Finger and ghost-drawn by Dick Sprang, and between the two of them they created 90% of the public impression of Batman. All Bob Kane did was stamp his name on it and collect the licensing fees. He's the Jim Davis of his day.

This era is far more camp than even the Adam West Batman ever was, with stories like "The Bat-men of All Nations" being wacky even for this series. You have a musketeer, a roman legionary, a pair of medieval knights on horse-cycles, a gaucho who is as white as the driven snow, and an Australian guy dressed as an Australian guy. They call themselves Bat-Men of all nations, and none of them dress like bats. None of them dress like the regional equivalent of bats. The Australian guy lives in an ecological killing field and couldn't find a scary animal to dress up as. Everyone treats this gathering of the stereotypes with a gravitas that it has in no way earned.

This is the era that inspired Batman: the Brave and the Bold, which is a love letter to all of this silver-age goofiness, right down to the art style. They both feel like how Batman must look to a child. An adult may be scared of him, they may think he's a dangerous vigilante or a fascist, but a kid in Gotham knows that Batman is their friend and he won't let you get hurt. If you haven't seen that show already, it is well worth tracking it down before David Zaslav banishes it to the shadow realm. The Brave and the Bold comic also started publication in 1955, but it wouldn't reach its final form for several more years.

I also want to talk about any and all batshit lore revelations, and this is one of them. Detective Comics #226 drops the retcon that Bruce Wayne was, in fact, the first Robin, and he was the sidekick to his own hard-boiled private investigator mentor. This is so crazy, and it completely recontextualizes the whole Batman and Robin relationship, and I love it to death. This isn't a case of Batman putting a kid in danger with a bright costume and short pants, this is Batman trying to recreate the relationship he had with his own surrogate father figure. Granted, it's not the best thing for a kid to do, but he wouldn't make his kids do anything he hadn't already done. This should have been in Gotham.

Finally, we have a late entry in this retrospective. Detective Comics #225 introduced J'onn J'onzz, the Martian Manhunter, JLA mainstay and interplanetary exile. Despite how chill he is with the prospect of being teleported to earth, his stories have a lot more angst in them than the Batman comics. There's a deep sadness in J'onn's eyes, stuck away from his homeworld and forced to disguise himself as a human, and there's a sense of detachment from the world around him, to the point where crime is a complete unknown to him.

His powers... well, they were never well-defined. He can do weird stuff with his mind, and because of that he's almost a horror character. He'll go invisible, walk through walls, read minds, and generally freak his targets out before he ever uses force on them. Martian Manhunter lasted for over 100 issues in Detective Comics, and he's probably the first original Silver Age character, or at least the first who survived long enough to be in a cartoon show.

Until next time!

[batfamilycannons]

Tim Drake as qoutes I’ve heard people say

Tim:*banging on Jason’s front door* You can fool god but you can’t fool the IRS

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Tim: Is that double earth? Cause it’s to early to be thinking about the multiverse theory.

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Tim: *in a Cecil Palmer voice* i can’t count. I don’t do math.

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Tim:*examples of why he should not be allowed in the kitchen* I need containers to make the salad. I could make it on the counter but I don’t think anyone would be happy about it.

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Tim: *monotone* You could do it but they would yell at you.

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Tim: I wonder what the temperature is.

*opens the door to look outside at a tropical storm*

Tim: the temperature is raining.

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Damian: What is life?

Jason: crap

Tim: A terminal disease

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Tim: *trying to practice French grammar* Digo? what the fu-

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Tim: In France the drinking age is… are you alive?

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Bruce: Anyone have any challenges coming up? *in the terms of fencing he meant*

Tim: I have a physics test

Bruce: What?

Tim: What?

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Tim: Sunday, Monday, Dead, Wednesday

Jason: Is dead a synonym for Tuesday now?

Tim: Yes.

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Jason: What part of Indiana?

Tim: New Orleans

Dick: That’s Luisiana!

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Tim:*training with his team* If you don’t look like your dying your doing it wrong

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Tim:*running on no sleep and enough caffeine to kill a lesser man pt. 1* Is a fairy a job or a race?

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Tim: It was probably bought of the Black Market for 20 cents.

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*walking out of a JLA meeting*

Tim: I just got the best sleep of my life

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Tim:*no sleep Tim pt.2* Cocaine is diet sugar

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Tim:*no sleep Tim pt.3* life is a pyramid scheme

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Tim: I plan for nothing to go according to plan, so when nothing goes according to plan it will have gone according to plan

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Tim: My insanity is what keeps me sane

Ra’s:

Tim:

Ra’s: you are one of the few beings who truly scares me

Tim: *blinks one eye at a time*

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Tim:*to Bruce* Laziness is the greatest cause of productivity

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Tim:*running on no sleep pt. Who knows* I’ve done enough dishes to last a lifetime, IF I WAS STRAIGHT

Connor: What does this mean??

[frankendykes-monster]

how was darkseid supposed to function narratively originally?

(bonus question, if you had to pick someone to be the arch-JLA villain who would it have been?)

When I think about Darkseid my mind sometimes drifts to "imagine if you were introduced to the concept of The Devil for the first time without millennia of cultural baggage attached to it" but that's not quite right.

Darkseid is named as such for being the literal "Dark side" of humanity; and it should be noted that Darkseid embodies fear and hatred specifically. It's a key point wherein superhero comics - or superhero-adjacent comics like The New Gods - still have to establish what is actually "good" and "evil" in concrete terms, and for the latter Kirby coalesced evil into "anti-life", wherein Kirby posits that the opposite of life is slavery and destitution, and Darkseid's ultimate goal being the complete control of all outside thought, and his frequent schemes in The Forever People (where he's most present) are scientific experiments where he's trying to establish anti-life. The key part of great Darkseid stories are about him doing the most spectacular equivalent of whispering in people's ears, forcing them into situations where they have to choose anger and violence; hurt people hurt people after all.

The obvious example is The Forever People #4 wherein he constructs Happyland. It's a series of torture devices disguised as carnival rides, but the people on the outside think it's just an amusement park, or should I say, the adults on the outside think everything's normal, but the children immediately recognize that people are being tortured. Darkseid is playing the long game, the adults will brush off their children's concerns and force them into isolation, the seeds of anti-life are placed. The real victims are the end through which the means have been placed.

Kirby's work on The New Gods titles are functionally the apex of him being ridiculously literal and extremely metaphorical.

It's not my personal favorite piece of Kirby art visually, but in terms of things that shake me to the core, this page from either the same issue of #3 (can't remember) wherein Glorious Godfrey doesn't grasp the full scope of anti-life is definitely up there:

I don't have an issue with Darkseid becoming the default arch-villain of the overall DC universe in theory but in practice it usually manifests as a character that's meant to showcase that while good is stronger than evil, evil will never 100% defeated, because you yourself will never become a 100% good person, gets turned into "and he was defeated after Superman punched him hard enough." That reached a zenith with The New 52 wherein Darkseid is introduced with zero fucking context other than "we have to punch him back to where he came from."

As for the major Justice League villain, I don't really have any preference but the guys that show up and are defined as being a "bigger deal" than Darkseid like The Anti-Monitor or Mageddon aren't bad even though they're frequently one off characters.

[onion-souls]

Huh, they finally made Hal Jordan Jewish in the comics, during the Knight Terrors event.

It has been a fan theory for a long time, but it’s weirdly based on a misremembered moment from an old JLA comic.

 People tend to flip the attribution, because Barry Allen is a blond, blue-eyed midwesterner and Hal Jordan is the dark-haired guy named after the Jordan river, but no, other Christmas events were pretty consistent in this:

Hal Jordan celebrates Christmas at home (though this could be Carol Ferris’ family) and the gregarious Barry Allen is on Watchtower duty on Christmas Eve.

Baruch Allen, baby

[superswimteam7]

Flash died in 1985's Crisis. In spite of that death, he has over 10 appearances between his death and resurrection. Several of those, are in Marvel Comics somehow?

We may have uncovered a long hidden multiversal narrative that challenges everything we know about canon and DC/Marvel lore.

This was supposed to be a video about how Flash visited the Marvel universe, and how Mantis was a DC character for a few years, but by the end I'm discussing religious theology and French literary theory.

And somehow this all ties back to the 2003 JLA/Avengers crossover. This is a wild one. The Hyper Crisis starts here!

[newearth2]

Off Topic: Fan Theory for Ultraman — Potential Spoilers

This blog usually focuses on the JSA, Earth 2, and Golden Age topics, but as I’ve been following the news about the upcoming Superman film—mainly to catch glimpses of Hawkgirl and Mister Terrific—I’ve developed a theory about Ultraman that I wanted to share.

While Ultraman’s “U” symbol in the movie bears some resemblance to his Silver Age look (where he didn't have shield around the "U"), the similarities to any comic version of Ultraman pretty much end there. That’s opened the door for speculation that the character under the mask isn’t Ultraman at all, but maybe Bizarro, Ulysses, Parasite, or another known figure.

Personally, I’ve never been a fan of the twist that turns out to be, “It’s actually a different character you already know.” I don’t think that’s the case here, and I hope it’s not. Here’s my theory (potential spoilers below):

Traditionally, Ultraman is powered by kryptonite. That was established right from his debut in the classic JLA/JSA crossover in Justice League of America #29, written by Gardner Fox with pencils by Mike Sekowsky and inks by Bernard Sachs. (There’s our JSA connection!)

Geoff Johns and David Finch reinvent how Ultraman powers up with kryptonite in Forever Evil #1,

That issue also added an important detail: Ultraman is weakened by yellow sunlight. To stay strong, he creates an eclipse to blocks it out.

So here’s the theory: what if, in the new movie, the focus isn’t on kryptonite as his power source but instead on solar radiation? On Earth-3, perhaps Ultraman gains his strength from a red sun, and exposure to our yellow sun weakens him. That would explain the full-body containment suit he wears—it's not just for intimidation, but a way to shield himself from yellow sunlight. It’s similar to how Superman wears a special suit to fight Solaris in All-Star Superman #11 by Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely.

That angle would stay true to Ultraman while offering a twist that could enable his defeat. Just my theory, but I’d love to hear what others think!

[nikethestatue]

Just read a yahoo entertainment article published april 11, that basically reiterated the same points of view “the cut” article, however it wasn’t so biased towards Elriel. One thing that was different was theories around a betrayal at the night court.

I truly believe this is a possibility (i don’t know which character though) there have been too many “goodguy” character additions and not enough “badguy” characters. This lopsided amount of “good” characters is emphasized by Eris and Tamlin shifting into the good side of grey and all the morally grey characters (rhys, amren, nesta) shifting into the goodguys. There have also been too many “badguy” character deaths.

Because of the above and the increased engagement in the fandom around the shipwar my offline group of acotar friends and I thought : what if SJM pull a Jennifer L. Armentrout and makes the plot line of the next book extend over 2 books? Maybe leave Elain and Azriel in a bad situation at the end of book one.

I worry about this because how many fans have become fed up with this ACOTAR, CC and the lack of engagement some stating “I am done after the next book.” That and there are so many more series taking off that are truly eating into ACOTARs popularity.(forthwing, fae and alchemy…)this may worry BB and SJM to milk the shipwar like the JLA series.

What if this ship war crap gets extended because someone is getting lulled into a trap 👀 as a plot point?

I can’t do more shipwar. 😭 I just want to enjoy Elain and Azriel in peace. I don’t mind crackships, but to me they are for fun, not for debate about where the book is going and definitely not about debating who is best for this or that character for some misogynistic reason.

Sorry for the long ask.🙁

So I don't know if JLA is a good example and something that SJM would want to aspire to. JLA is not super highly respected and I feel like the feedback on her writing choices is usually pretty negative.

I feel like there are plenty of characters who can turn 'bad' within one book--but already know that Lucien is sus, there is Merrill who is kind of strange, Jurian to always fall back on. But I think it will depend on whether SJM goes internal or external enemies, and with Koschei being basically untouched for 3 books, I feel like she'd be going 'external' for the threat.

I also feel like people aren't really talking about something really obvious --as it stands right now, the only people who know if the Daglan and the Asteri who was sleeping under the Prison for 10K years and the corrupted Cauldron are the IC. Once the information becomes public, once the origins of some of the power that the High Lords have becomes clear, I think it will cause an upheaval. Like the HLs went a little nuts over giving up a speck of their powers to Feyre. Helion compared it to a fish scale. Like he is missing a fish scale because he gave it to Feyre. Now, imagine if all of their power is questioned and compromised?

I feel like we don't necessarily need a 'traitor' because there is a hella lot going on already with all of these people.

Also, it's extremely difficult to speculate because we have so little to go on since SJM hasn't talked about ACOTAR or any of the themes that it will have...well, ever.

[hawkgirlz]

going to be honest. it might sound dumb but my theory on geoff johns making that deal with grant morrison for kendra to die in blackest night instead of final crisis was that kendra was supposed to come back after shiera got turned to dust but n52 interfered so we never really got it.

i personally think there was gonna be a lesson about how carter was so into the idea of shiera being back as he always wanted shiera since the minute kendra revived him, a pivotal plot point in hawkman 2002, but he would've later realized none of it was worth it at kendra's expense and that's why there was no funeral for her.

because the more i think about it, i don't think gj of all writers would be stupid enough to not hold a funeral for kendra. i genuinely think the real reason he never held one was because he always intended on her coming back. it's just too big of a detail.

and it also reminds me how kendra's funeral had already been drawn in mcduffie's jla for final crisis and roy would visit her grave but because of that deal gj made last minute, it never really happened and mcduffie had to change the dialogue to roy being in a graveyard for no apparent reason because the art was already turned in. like geoff johns KNEW a funeral should be held for her but he didn't do it. and he clearly enjoyed writing her too. she was 100% supposed to come back.

how could i forgot the fact that speed saunders never showed up either? like you're telling me THIS speed had no clue kendra died? the one geoff made ask carter to look after kendra? come on.

you know what my personal take would've been? my personal take is that carter would've found kendra alive again somewhere maybe in st. roch, but all her memories that came after shiera had revived her had been erased when she was revived so she would've remembered nothing from being 18 and onwards. i think that would've been a perfect ending to the arc as carter would've really lost everything and kendra would get to be happy since her parents' killer was gone which i'm sure she'd find out and carter would basically suffer because kendra has another memory loss plot but WORSE 🙈