#bakudeku discourse

[theweeklydiscourse]

God forbid you ever criticize the lack of consequences Bakugou experiences in MHA, or suddenly you’ll find dozens of Bakugou stans pouring into your mentions to make a speech about how cruel you are for forcing him to eat cement. They’ll act as though “consequences” inherently involves throwing him into the dungeon or putting him in detention for 100 years and then moan about how him facing consequences would only perpetuate a cycle of abuse/discrimination.

Listen, it’s not really that much of a consequence if the “consequence” in question isn’t directly connected to his current or past bad behaviour. “Oh but his scars!” “When he died that one time!” “His guilt for getting kidnapped” None of those are related to his bullying, and in my opinion, that makes them insufficient as consequences in an arc about changing for the better.

The consequences I would actually like to see could be as simple as: Izuku feels sad/mad because of what he went through, or certain characters reflect on how Bakugou’s past impacts their perception of him. More introspection on the victim’s end is needed, Bakugou doesn’t necessarily need to be pilloried for the arc to be satisfying.

[chandralia]

IM GONNA BE SICK SHDKDHSSJSH Hori’s really saving him for last,, we’ve got panels of every single character guiding Deku, cheering him on, pushing him through… except Bakugo?

we’re about to get something so incredible

[rirururu]

Bakugou in chapter 1 said his goal was to become the number one hero and the richest person in the world. He was adamant that Deku couldn't do anything without a quirk.

He went from that to working his butt off for 8 years and spending his entire life savings to give adult quirkless Deku his dream of being a hero back. And expecting nothing in return except the wish that they can "compete and chase each other for the rest of their lives." 😭

Bakugou Katsuki grew so much. I will miss such an amazing character. 🥹

[kathrahender]

One of the things I dislike most about fandoms is the hypocrisy of their fans. And this is about ships again, yes (it's about characters too ngl).

Every anti-Bakudeku/Catradora fan says things like "How can you ship couples like these? It's so abusive! It's disgusting! Catra/Bakugo were so mean towards Adora/Izuku! Catradora/Bakudeku is so toxic and you shouldn't like it!" and then, when talking about Hiccstrid people always love them together. Even if Astrid was also a bully to Hiccup. Even if her development was null (don't say she had development, her "redemption" arc was shit and she needed more time in screen and more scenes between her and Hiccup to change from "I hate all the dragons" to "I was wrong about them". And one scene with an OST called "Romantic Flight" is not enough to make her redemption believable). Talking about development, do I really have to say that you hate Catradora/Bakudeku, but at least Catra and Bakugo apologized to Adora and Izuku? Astrid didn't say sorry to Hiccup for bullying him/hurting him. And you should be aware of that.

Bakugo and Catra didn't redeem in one day, they didn't get up one day and decided to be nicer. No, they had to work in their redemption and they also had to work in their relationship with the people they hurt (Izuku and Adora). Astrid didn't do that. All she needed to change was flying in a dragon with the person she used to hate.

Having all of that in mind, tell me, which relationship would be more healthy, logical and believable? The ones where the bully had to work hard to make amends for their mistakes, to heal their scars to make it better for the MC? The ones where the bully apologized to their victim, to the people they hurt? Or the one where all it took to change from "I hate you so much" to "I like you" was one scene, and they didn't even apologize for being a bully/being a bad person? Think about that.

And think about another thing too. A girl hurting a boy is bad. "But she-" No. "But she's not being cruel and she-" Enough. Don't fucking justify female-on-male violence. Violence is violence. If you hate Bakugo/Catra so much for hurting Izuku/Adora, then treat Astrid the same way, because she was not an angel before changing. She's not innocent. She was a bully too. And if you despise Bakugo/Catra's past actions, despise Astrid's past actions too.

Where I also saw Double Standard in media is in shows where there's a female character stalking a male character. Two examples that come to my mind right now are Hinata Hyuga from Naruto and Marinette Dupain-Cheng from Miraculous Ladybug.

The thing about them is that a lot of people love them. A lot of people love a female character stalking a male character. Dear God, Marinette learned the daily schedule of Adrien, and she even traveled to another country for him. Because she couldn't bear thinking he was in another country where she couldn't see what was he doing. That's not freaking normal, you guys. "She was a girl" "She didn't know what was she doing" "She's just in love". Excuse me- What. the. hell. Okay. So you're saying you're okay with a girl being so jealous that everytime her "crush" talks to a girl she needs to be around. You're okay with a girl entering her crush's house without permission (Do you know that's a crime, right?). You're okay with a girl having her bedroom full of photos of her crush (and I'm not talking about a fictional character from a show she likes. I'm talking about a real person. Because in Miraculous Ladybug's world, Adrien is Marinette's classmate, not a character from a show). I'm sorry, but if you think that's okay, there's something wrong with you. People can like someone and have a crush, sure, but what she has is an obsession. What she's doing is not normal. (And she can do that in the show, after all she's a character, but don't act like she's a nice person and an innocent person because she isn't. And definitely don't see her actions as a normal thing).

People, please, don't think what she's doing is "iconic" or something like that. If you're watching this show, please, don't do the same as her with your crush because is awful and disgusting. She's not "cute" for doing this. She has a problem, I'm being serious.

If she had a better love story with Adrien, like she did in the movie, I would understand the Adrinette ship because in the new movie it's just beautiful and wholesome and it's actually healthy. But when it comes to the show, the Adrinette ship can't be nothing more than toxic. So stop acting like Marinette's actions towards Adrien are okay (Yes, Adrien's actions towards Ladybug weren't okay neither, but this post is about female characters).

What Hinata Hyuga did -in comparison with Marinette- is not that bad, but even then, following her crush (Naruto Uzumaki) everytime he's with his friends/classmates is not nice. It's not cute. It's not something people should do. And the Naruhina ship honestly makes no sense. Okay, I get it. It's the type of romance we all want to have. We all want our crush to fall in love with us. We all want to have a relationship with the person we used to have a crush on. But if you want to include that trope if your story, if you want them to end up together in a show/book/movie, give them development. The ship has to feel natural.

We have to feel/see the chemitry. And I saw (and still see) no chemistry between Naruto and Hinata. Sasunaru, on the other hand, has a lot of emotional moments together and moments when they bond (their chemistry is right there). And it's not for my own preference, but they would have made a better couple. Mostly because they shared more screen time with each other. Even though Shikanaru and Gaanaru are also good options for a canon ship. Because they also had chemistry. But Naruto's love for Hinata in my opinion didn't feel natural. It was forced.

After all of this, let me say something more. You probably don't care about a girl stalking a boy in fiction. You're probably like "She's not doing anything wrong" "She's a teenager" "Stop being judgmental, she's a good character" "She's a nice person". If what they do it's okay for you, let me ask you a question. What if their gender was reversed? Yeah. Imagine if Marinette and Hinata weren't girls. Imagine if they were boys. Imagine if a boy went to another country to control the actions of another girl. Imagine if a boy entered his crush's house without permission. Imagine if a boy stalked the girl he likes to see if she's talking to another boys. Imagine if a boy had pictures of the girl he likes in his bedroom. What would you think then? Oh- You would think it's disgusting? It would be disgusting for you, right? Why? Because it's a boy?

People, have this in mind:

👏👏👏 If a boy does something bad and a girl does the same thing they both need to be treated the same way 👏👏👏

A girl hitting a boy isn't funny. It shouldn't be played for fun. As well as a boy hitting a girl. Neither of them is funny. And neither of them can be justified.

A girl stalking a boy isn't funny. As well as a boy stalking a girl. Neither of them is funny. And neither of them can be justified.

That's why I ask you to stop being two-faced. If you despise someone's actions, you despise someone's actions, whether it is a boy or a girl. You want equality? Then fucking stop with the double standard.

A bad action is a bad action, no matter who makes it. Period.

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

this showed up on my feed and.. two things.

1. bakudeku are NOT childhood friends to enemies to lovers idk what show this person watched. bakugou and izuku were NOT friends at any point. bakugou was izuku's bully and it stayed that way until the present timeline.

they also never become enemies, they were not even rivals, the rivalry was purely imagined by bakugou, while izuku always tried to stay on good terms with him.

do people not know what "enemies" or "rivals" mean anymore? it doesn't work that way if the aggression and animosity is one-sided.

2. same goes for c//a. they were friends, sure, but catra was adora's abuser at the same time. and while they could be called enemies while they were on opposing sides, like bakugou, catra was the one who imagined a betrayal and used it as an excuse to continue hurting adora.

i do agree with the fact that these two ships are similar though. they're both instances of abuse being glorified and the abusers treated like cute little tsundere babies.

[deranged-fandom-quotes-archive]

Children throwing tantrums when adults read material made by/for adults in a fandom space made by/for adults about objects that don't exist. You are a guest here, mind your own business. Your tantrums aren't going to change a thing in regards to fandom, bkdk or mha.

[katsmtmsdoodles]

Reblog for bigger sample size! Based on this post by @rigorwhoring

Part 1 | Part 2 | Part 4

[red-sneakers]

When I first started shipping bkdk, I was like, “Welp. Guess I have my first toxic ship lol. It’s fine, not everything I enjoy reading about in fiction has to be something I’d endorse in real life.”

See, I latch on to a favorite character, and I just want them to get what they want (even if I’d advise them otherwise if they were my friend irl). And from my perspective, Katsuki was what Izuku wanted from the beginning.

But now in the manga, after everything Katsuki and Izuku have been through, and all the growth they’ve done both together and separately, I’m like,

“Oh no it’s nolonger toxic?? Have I been fandom brainwashed, or is this… Actually one of the greatest love stories of all time?”

[buckys-goodgirl]

klance-ability

not me, not reposting specifically because of bakudeku or hating on bakudeku this goes for shipping in general!!

buck and eddie can be the next klance i swear to GOD

[jaxofalltraits]

Shipping Culture rant

"Wow people just know how to ruin fandoms these days"

Has to be the one statement that makes my blood boil because it is always, and I mean ALWAYS under queer ship posts. Like please grow tf up because in all honesty if these ships are bothering you I don't think it's "people in fandoms these days" it's a YOU issue.

"But they're like brothers"

"So men can't be friends anymore?"

It was never said these characters had to stop being friends but if in some people's interpretations they might view these characters as a little more than friends and this happens in all types of media *cough cough* THE COUPLE THAT HAD SO MUCH POTENTIAL BUT NEVER BECAME CANON* (usually straight ships) *cough cough*. It's the exact same thing just now we have two people of the same gender. See them as brothers/sisters, see them as best pals. That's how YOU interrupt the relationship. STOP FORCING YOUR THOUGHTS ONTO EVERYONE WHETHER IT BE CANON OR NOT

Furthermore the way you treat shipping is a clear show of how long you've been on the internet because if it bothers you so GODDAMN MUCH that two characters of the same gender are being shipped you obviously haven't been here for a long time have you?

Shipping is a fun activity and something lighthearted it's genuinely crazy that some people have whole wars over 2 harmless ships.

Please grow up fr. You're not going to die because two characters you see as besties are holding hands and blushing in a piece of fanart just scroll away honestly it's not that hard man...

[zykamiliah]

going through the bakugou katsuki/midoriya izuku tag in ao3 to realize some people either don't get izuku's personality or just don't like it and plain change it. there's so much ooc oh my gooooooood

[chandralia]

can’t wait to throw up next episode

[rirururu]

Can we talk about how this entire My Hero Academia season 7 stage preview panel was just the voice actors/actresses of Izuku, Katsuki, Toga, Ochako, and Shigaraki discussing Bakudeku and Togachako for 50 minutes? 😭 These screenshots were certainly a choice.

We're getting close to endgame. Season 7 or 8 will probably be the last season. We know Horikoshi had recently confided in Bones on what the ending of MHA was going to be so they could start the production process sooner. Now there's a sudden shift of promotional material and interest towards these two ships in particular which is-- interesting.

Izuocha also briefly appear in the stage discussion but only at around the 40 minute mark near the end. They also made sure to put those screenshots below the Bakudeku apology scene. No hate towards Izuocha of course. I'm just saying: this is not how you treat a pairing in marketing if they were meant to be endgame.

Does this mean anything? Probably not. We've all sung this song before with shounen manga and been hurt in the past. But Bakudeku and Togachako might actually stand a chance here. Regardless if this comes true, I'll still love both pairings and appreciate the time these VAs took to discussing them.

[controversial-blorbo-bracket]

Bakugo hot take: his character would have been better if he was a girl. This would also make him even more controversial. I will not elaborate.

Oh god this makes me wonder if. Okay so. I’m about to say something cursed. And I know I’m going to get hatemail about it (or at least very passionate explanations about why I’m wrong).

is bakudeku just yaoi reylo

[deranged-fandom-quotes-archive]

Here is a collection of twitter users who are trying to dictate the types of content people can and can't enjoy. It's giving massive colonizer vibes, all over a bunch of bkdk pixels too! Literal objects! Simply insane that people believe that they can try and force others to their wills.

[defnotkanyewest]

Something I will genuinely never understand is some peoples obsession with a characters sexuality like people will say “so and so is gay because of this and that” and then someone else is gonna reply to them being all mad “Erm actually they aren’t because of this and that” like why do either of you care so much