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Mace Windu does not get the respect he deserves and it pisses me off.
But, let's say Mace actually went there and actually attempted to murder the head of the state, who is not responsable for the war and isn't a Sith who's entire philosophy is to cause death and violence to get high on it.
None of that justifies Order 66 and the slaughter of all Jedi, including the younglings. Those reasons aren't good enough to commit genocide.
Because there is no reason good enough to commit genocide.
But Palpatine is a Sith Lord, Palpatine did orchestate the entire war that killed trillions so he could make himself Emperor. Palpatine's emergency powers made him able to disolve the courts, turn the Senate into glorified squabling toddlers with no real agency, force a religious minority to act as generals in the war he orchestated, and then turn the public against said religious minority because he's blaming them for the war, again, he orchestated.
Fighting and arresting/killing him is not a coup done by power-hungry warmongers, it's actively fighting fascism.
More people like Mace Windu, please.
I’m always a little bit baffled by the pearl-clutching about Mace attempting to assassinate (nvrmind that he went there for an arrest and Palpatine attacked first) the head of state because *gasp* how terrible
but like, considering what Palpatine did afterward, (and it’s not like it was actually in response, it was the plan either way) (and also nevermind that he was already a dictator at this point, not the democratically elected head of state) and “I sense a plot to destroy the jedi,” a line said by Mace beforehand, it’s really. . Imagine you’re at the head of a small religious order, charged with the protection of not only the democratic state that guy just usurped but also, crucially, the protection of every single child in your monastery and every single knight or student in your order, and the head of state wants to destroy your people, and even belongs to a secret cult committed to the cause of killing your people, and has access to the full might of the state to do so, unopposed by anyone except you- well, what would you do, i guess? What is a reasonable course of action, there?
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Mandalorians hate Jedi because...
"the Jedi are child stealers" NO
And again I say NO. I saw someone claim this and it absolutely infuriated me.
First point, THE JEDI ARE NOT CHILD STEALERS. That accusation is sithspit anti jedi propaganda. If a parent or guardian told the Jedi no, they didn't want their kid to be a Jedi, the Jedi respected that. They would, however, remove children from danger. But would you call a social worker who took children from environments where they were being molested, starved, beaten, or worse, a child stealer? No? Then don't call the Jedi child stealers for the same actions.
Second point, the average Mandalorian didn't really know or care too much about Jedi. In all honestly, most Mandalorians, like the rest of the galaxy, had no real idea about the difference between Jedi or other force sects like the nightsisters or general darksiders or even the sith except perhaps the color of their lightsabers. Some Mandalorians, like our beloved Din Djarin, knew nothing at all about Jedi and only cared when in became relevant and then did as much research as possible regarding the Jedi. Others, like Jango Fett, had very personal interactions with Jedi and formed their opinions of the Jedi as a whole based on those interactions with no further reason or desire to look further into the Jedi.
Third point, for Mandalorians who studied history or listened to old stories, they knew why the Mandalorians disliked the Jedi and it was for a very simple reason that they liked to avoid actively admitting. That reason? The Jedi kicked the shebs of the Mandalorian armies.
Twice.
Quite possibly there was another point when the Jedi suppressed the Mandalorian empire but there were two times for certain. Granted, the republic played a large part and the Jedi definitely didn't all interfere in one of those two conflicts, and actually actively avoided one of those two conflicts except in a few cases, and there were definitely some terrible things done, but the fact remains that when the Mandalorian empire attempted to expand and basically take over the galaxy, the Jedi were key to stopping this. And no, the Mandalorian empire was not a good thing. But more importantly, if you thought your ancestors or your cultures' armies were in the right and they were beaten, would you like the descendants of those who beat your side?
Fourth point, would you like the side that beat your side if they refused to give you a proper rematch? The Mandalorians who know anything about Jedi know that Jedi have access to all this power, plus generally have a super cool plasma sword, but the Jedi won't fight or they'll de-escalate or generally indulge in pacifistic behavior and we all know how Mandalorians feel about presumed pacifists, right? A Mandalorian denied a fight is often a frustrated Mandalorian. A Mandalorian who sees someone who has all this strength and power often doesn't understand why that person doesn't use that power, doesn't take revenge or slaughter their enemies or a million other things that they would do with such power. So those that don't understand choose to dislike. Why won't the Jedi fight them?! (please imagine the sentence immediately previous spoken in an extremely whiney tone of voice)
Fifth point, the Mandalorians frequently throughout history worked with the Sith or were on the Sith side of conflicts because of a lack of knowledge about force sects meant the Mandalorians didn't generally realize how absolutely stupid it is to side with the Sith but beyond that the Mandalorians often learned about the Jedi from the Sith. So the Mandalorians got stories from the Sith about the Jedi being weak and cold and blah, blah, blah stupid sith propaganda that I don't want to perpetuate. And those Mandalorians would then think themselves Jedi experts, because hadn't they learned about the Jedi from another Jedi? Granted, a dark Jedi but still a Jedi, right? So they'd tell other Mandalorians the propaganda and so the Mandalorians had that Sith skewed idea of the Jedi perpetuated throughout their history.
So the Mandalorians have their own reasons for not like the Jedi, which have NOTHING to do with child stealing, just as the Jedi have plenty of reasons to want to avoid the Mandalorians. Personally though I'm going to blame a lot of those reasons on both sides on the Sith and be grumpy about the Sith and the effectiveness of their propaganda.
And finally, I'm pretty sure at least a tiny bit of the animosity between Mandalorians and Jedi arose from the Mandalorians being jealous that the Jedi had lightsabers and they didn't. To be fair, I'm a little jealous too. Lightsabers are cool.
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I think one of the best showcases of how the prequels were meant to be an "everyone loses" story is The Last Battle in Rebels. Kelani pointing out basically that the logistics didn't make sense for how the war was going (and let's be honest the CIS could basically continuously pour out droids cheaper than the Republic could replace clones, it could have been a win of overwhelming force.)
Ezra pointing out that when both armies were basically weak and leadershipless they were destroyed.
Outside of someone managing to break out of Palpatine's manipulations, it was a no win scenario which I think a lot of recent stuff misses.
For me, I think it is and it isn't a no-win scenario. The Jedi almost beat Palpatine and Dooku and the CIS. They're SO CLOSE. Even WITH Palpatine and Dooku manipulating things behind the scenes, they nearly win the war. And without Palpatine and Dooku manipulating things so much, I think the Jedi and the Republic would've wiped the floor with the Separatists. Of course, without Palpatine and Dooku manipulating things, there's no war to win anyway, but the point stands. The Republic gets close to winning or to finding a way to peace MORE THAN ONCE and Palpatine or Dooku have to quickly engineer some sort of attack to scare the Senate into backing the war all over again.
So, yes, Palpatine and Dooku are making it impossible for either side to win, and especially impossible for the Jedi to win, but despite that, they manage to get pretty close over and over and over again.
And the other thing to take into account is, of course, Anakin. The one piece of the puzzle that no one in Rebels really knows exists in order to take it into account in their analysis of the Clone War. The ONLY REASON Palpatine wins is because Anakin allows him to. The Jedi would've killed Palpatine and ended the war with the Senate intact and hopefully moving towards peace if Anakin hadn't stepped in and saved Palpatine at the last second. The Jedi had WON, literally every single Separatist military leader was dead, leaving only the actual politicians (most of whom seem at least somewhat willing to consider trying for peace with the Republic) and the Corporate Alliance leaders who are trying not to be publicly aligned with the Separatists anyway and would likely be too cowardly to try to take over the war on their own. The only thing standing in the way of peace and the end of the war was Palpatine, and he would've died in his office if Anakin had made a different choice.
So, sure, it's SUPPOSED to be a no win scenario, but it wouldn't have taken much for the Republic to emerge the victors and it all came down to one person's choice in one specific moment. It wasn't truly a no win scenario because Anakin could've chosen differently and changed the course of history if he'd wanted to. All of Palpatine and Dooku's manipulations would've been for NOTHING if Anakin were just a slightly better person.
Obviously from the perspective of the characters in Rebels, it would probably feel like it had been a no win scenario that none of them had any control over and accepting that reality is something they'd need to do in order to find peace. But it's not entirely... true. And what I personally wish more stories these days recognized is that the Jedi and the Republic almost won, almost achieved peace, and the only reason they didn't was because Anakin Skywalker was a selfish, greedy, piece of shit who condemned an entire galaxy to save one person.
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Stuff like this is why I don't think the inhibitor chips were necessary.
Why make up bullshit chips that turn Clones into cartoonish "good soldiers follow orders" when Clones just naturally hating the Jedi for being incompetent generals getting their brothers in arms killed and then said brothers dying for traitors, but the real tragedy of it all is that it was all for a lie.
Order 66 was just an emergency order like the others one. For example Order 65 declared that the Chancellor is no longer able to rule the republic, therefore he has to be removed from office, if necessary with lethal force. If the jedi could have convinced the senate, that Palpatine was a sith who orchestrated the clone wars and the senate would vote for the Order 65, Palpatine would be attacked by clone troopers instead of the jedi.
These Orders were also no secret, they were written down and the clones trained these orders on Kamino a thousand times. The jedi just forgot, that the clones were fighting for the republic and not for them, and when the supreme commander of the army, in this case Palpatine because of his emergency powers, orders them to kill their field commanders, they would do so, without question, just like the kaminoans said.
In my opinion this makes a whole lot of great stories impossible like the relationship between Darman Skirata and Etain. Also it would make way more sense when Lucasfilm wants to show more survivors of Order 66, because the only clones in canon who didn't follow the order were the Bad Batch, Rex and Gregor. In Legends many clones just didn't follow the order because of their moral compass or thought it's a trap of the separatists and we could see how the clones deal with their decision to kill the jedi, in Legends some of them developed PTSD and other thought it was necessary.
In my opinion they just took a whole lot away of the personality and individuality of the clones with the inhibitor chips and turned them into mindless killer machines and I don't like that, especially after we see in the clone wars series their personality for the first time and see that the clones are individuals even when they look exactly the same, something the movies failed to show us.
Imagine a plot line where, instead of a chip telling them to betray the Jedi, troopers like Cody got a message telling them the Jedi had betrayed the Republic and attempted to murder the Chancellor. That the Jedi were now considered enemies of the Republic and had to be exterminated before they could overthrow the democracy. Forced to choose between the Jedi generals and the Republic and Supreme Chancellor, the unquestionably loyal Clones support the Republic.
It could have added many complex layers. The Clones have to live with their decisions. Maybe some regret it and wish they'd decided otherwise. Others feel their hand was forced. Others that the Jedi were traitors and never doubted their choice for a second.
Or the conflict of Rex. What if he'd been among the 501st attacking the Jedi Temple with Anakin, but split from them at the end of his own free will? Rex, who was always loyal to Anakin, and a close friend, breaks from him and flees. How does he feel about it? Does he feel he did the right thing by betraying Anakin to save the Jedi? Or does he feel he abandoned his Commander and should have stayed loyal? Maybe he struggles with it every day, wondering if he made the right choice. Or imagine if Anakin came for Ahsoka and was about to kill her and Rex chose Ahsoka over Order 66 because he knew in his heart it was wrong and tossed a flash grenade and fled with Ahsoka.
Overall, I feel like the inhibitor chip arc made the story of Order 66 somewhat boring and too black and white. It could have been a fantastic jumping off point for the complexities of mixed loyalties, of following orders, of the failures of the Republic and of the Jedi, of how not only Palpatine's villainy but his charisma and personality led to rigid loyalty among the clones.
And honestly I feel like the inhibitor chips were created to weasel out of complex storytelling, just like JJ Abrams weaseled out of dealing with Finn's PTSD of being a child soldier.
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All I can say about this clusterfuck of a movie is that the studio had better fucking fix this shit in the much deserved Rey spinoff movie.
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Serious question and all answers is valid.
So, the Darth Plagueis novel keeps a lot of shit about Sidious’ training unknown (we get one snippet of what his early training was) but
like what do y’all think Plagueis did to Sidious to make him Sidious?
Bc yeah Sheev Palpatine is a selfish and bratty young man but you’d have to be super biased against Sheev Palpatine to not see the huge difference in personality and behavior between Sheev Palpatine pre-Plagueis and Darth Sidious.
Sheev is going against his dad and being really petty about it, but a lil self centered brat. Sidious is a psychopath and a puppeteer.
I mean that generally I am NOT pro-Cosinga Palpatine. I can’t stand him he literally was a terrible father and his treatment of sheev is what made Sidious form into existence. He the Dario Brando of Star Wars tbh
Basically what I’m tryna say is that Sheev Palpatine as we see him before Plagueis is nothing like Sidious, like yeah you can draw some vague connections but realistically, Sheev probably would’ve become a better person once he hit 21 and matured a lil bit. Maybe lived life more and learned empathy from it.
Sheev Palpatine was not on the course to being a Sidious type Mf before he became Plaguies’ apprentice.
Maybe I’m just biased here but Sheev not having tact and empathy during an vehicular homicide he committed when he was probably like 13-15 years old doesn’t damn him to being Sidious. It doesn’t say anything about his true nature as a human being other than him being a lil immature and selfish dumbass kid.
Anakin wiped out a whole village at 19 but mfs still paint him as an victim. Sheev was 17 when he became Plaguies’ apprentice so we can garner that he wasn’t that old when he accidentally smoked them two pedestrians.
I know that y’all like to paint Sidious as being evil but it’s obvious that whatever happened to Maul and Vader and nem likewise also happened to Sidious but Sidious just was boss bitch enough to take Plaguies out.
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Calling Kylo Ren "Ben" feels like deadnaming him
Here me out: Ben was feeling fundamentally altered after his traumatic experience with Luke Skywalker, and as part of separating himself from it, he chose a new name.
So referring to him as "Ben" feels like denoting who he was before, and "Kylo" for who he is afterward.
In that way, I feel like Rey insisting on calling him "Ben" after she learns that name is sort of disrespectful of his decision to distance himself from his family.
Though, I acknowledge him distancing himself through his name does ring a bit hollow when you remember his near-constant comparisons of himself to Darth Vader, BUT I would argue that that was implanted by Palpatine.
Because fundamentally Palpatine didn't care to acknowledge that his Grand Plan was just fuckin wrong, yet he's trying so hard to hold on to all that work he'd done.
But he's just a stubborn, vain man, and it would've been baller to see a Kylo that chose that name for himself.
ALSO!! Wouldn't it be baller if he chose the name "Kylo", no last name? Wouldn't that coincide so very well with "Rey", no last name?? The dichotomy of someone with no family because his family was slowly killing him, vs someone with no family who was only staying alive for the hope they'd be there for her?
And while we're on the topic of Rey, I can respect her taking on the last name "Skywalker" IF Luke had shown that he, y'know,, liked her at all? He seemed pretty begrudging about the whole thing to me.
Wouldn't it have been cool for her to adopt the name "Palpatine" as a way to reclaim power from that horrible man?
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Okay, I didn't think I would have state this but I have now been accused of it multiple times by Pro-Jedi stans so here it is
Just because I think the downfall of the Jedi was inevitable doesn't mean I think it was right or good
The Jedi did not deserve to be slaughtered, let alone the younglings, the younglings were innocent and the Jedi still deserved to live
I may see the Jedi as bad and flawed but they didn't deserve to die for it, nobody deserves to die for their sins
However, I still view the Jedi's downfall as inevitable, why, because the tragedy part of the Prequels is honestly compelling
The Prequels is about a young boy full of "negative" emotions, found "too late" for the Jedi to save him, manipulated by one of the few people he is closed to, and failed by an institution that doesn't know how to help him (because whether you liked the Jedi or not, it was clear they couldn't help him, why is where we disagree), and unchallenged by the woman who loves him (Padme tried her best but quite frankly they were too distant from each other, and that's part of the tragedy)
He was thrust into violence and tragedy so he wrought violence and tragedy
This is compelling, it's execution might not be the best, but how can you look at this and not think Anakin's downfall was inevitable, how can you look at this and not wish there was a way to save them but know, because the tragedy is well thought out, that there was no way to stop it without fundamentally changing the story
That's a good tragedy, that's how they work
We don't have to think it's good to see it as inevitable, in fact the entire point of a tragedy is that we don't see it as good, we are saddened by it, but we also understand that there was nothing that could be done to stop it
It's like with Romeo and Juliet, Macbeth, or Oedipus Rex getting the crown was never going to override Macbeth's guilt, Romeo and Juliet were never going to be allowed to be happy because of their families' strife, and Oedipus was always going to kill his father and marry his mother, these stories are tragic because we wished we could change the ending but know we can't, the story is already set in stone before there is a chance to change it and that's what makes them compelling
The fact that I say the downfall of the Jedi is inevitable is a testament to George Lucas'ability to craft a good story, for all I dunk on him for his many, many mistakes and bad choices with the Prequels, I genuinely think the bare bones of his story, like the characters and the plot where good
The downfall of the Jedi is tragic, it is supposed to sadden you and leave you wishing you could change it, and a good story leaves you feeling upset whilst also feeling that the ending is a natural progression of the story, me saying it is inevitable shows that I think it was a natural progression, it shows I think George Lucas actually did something well, it reveals nothing about my personal beliefs on the morality of the in canon events
I also don't see Anakin as a good person, contrary to what some might believe, I don't think killing people, even if they are those I dislike, makes you a good person, personally I think it makes you an awful person, who should be held to account for committing genocide against an entire group of people
But Anakin's morality is not why I find his character compelling the character, I find his character compelling because he is a good example of how repressed emotions only leads to more suffering, but that doesn't make him forgivable, his reasons behind committing genocide doesn't negate the fact that it is still genocide, having motivations and complexities just makes him interesting
I can find the character compelling without agreeing with them morally, in fact I enjoy his character because I don't agree with him but I can see how he ended up the way he did and it makes him compelling to watch
And I really, really don't think he was redeemed by killing Palpatine and saving Luke at the end of the Original Trilogy, this man directly and on-screen killed children, probably directly murdered millions, if not billions, and was indirectly responsible for hell knows how many deaths, turning against his master should have been the start of his very long and never ending road to redemption not the end but Lucas clearly has a different worldview than me so here we are
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not a fix-it but-
ok. so i hate the “somehow palpatine returned” thing as much as the next person, but.
i have a theory.
hear me out.
so. we must assume (i guess *eye roll*) that palpatine has been behind everything (apparently *another eye roll*) and we know in Disney canon, that he was behind Kylo’s fall to the darkside (like we haven’t seen that before, but okay. not.).
and i was thinking about that, and the *intense groan* moment where Luke lit his lightsaber (trying to kill Kylo/it was on instinct/yada yada i don’t buy any of those thank you but moving on!).
and that got me thinking.
we all know in Return of the Jedi, Palpatine was trying to get Luke to kill Vader in anger, right? Because that would cause his fall to the darkside.
Killing his father in anger.
so wouldn’t killing his nephew in fear do the same?
i mean come on. you’re telling me that Palpatine wouldn’t, at least, try to have another go at the #1 Most Powerful Force-User in The Galaxy? Before throwing that card away if it failed again?
so what i’m getting at here is, what if Palpatine was the one who was pushing Luke into killing Kylo/igniting his lightsaber/whichever-the-heck-you-want?
i would buy Palpatine having another go/messing with Luke again over something as dumb as “he tried to murder his nephew” or “iT wAs InStInCt!”.
but then again.
bringing back palpatine was also stupid.
*shrugs* anywho. just a lil’ thought i had.
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In fairness, life did not exactly imitate the art here. It would've had Palpatine resurfaced immediately after his death, was right out there in the open rather than in the shadows during the rise of Snoke and the First Order, but the New Republic just....did nothing about him because the former supreme chancellor/galactic emperor is above all laws, and then everyone's still totally shocked when the Final Order makes itself known and Palps "somehow" returns to being a threat.
Which would be a stupider storyline than anything JJ Abrams or Rian Johnson could cook up, but it's the stupid storyline we're living now.
Ok this is the best one i've seen.
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Padme
Moving to a Star Wars kick for a bit, may jump to another interest at some point but for now...
It's probably been mentioned by someone else and in a much more eloquent fashion but Sheev Palpatine aka Super Skeevy Sheevy aka the person you should NOT listen to about basically anything was around Padme Naberrie Amidala for a very large portion of her life. After she managed to divert Skeevy Sheevy's original plan thanks to her willingness to ask for help from the Gungans and treat them as equal people, I wonder if perhaps Skeevy Sheevy started to invite her to outings in a similar fashion to how he invited Anakin. He had already established himself as her political mentor so he would have had a much easier time of this, especially as he was chancellor and someone would have to be senator and Padme, no matter what her people said, couldn't be queen forever. I wonder if perhaps during those meetings that may have happened, there was perhaps some additional...force in his conversations with her.
I say this because when Padme was senator, she made some extremely stupid choices, choices that aren't really in line with her professed ideals and past actions as Queen Amidala. And I wonder if perhaps Skeevy Sheevy managed to whisper enough poison into her ear that it ate away at her sense of duty and her general intelligence for her to make those choices.
Or maybe it was the trauma of the whole Naboo invasion thing and she really should have gone to regular therapy sessions but for some reason decided against that course of action.
Or maybe both.
In either case, Queen Amidala, glorious, true icon, Senator Amidala however? Would not get my vote for chancellor, honestly would not really trust her as my senator. She talks a good talk but sometimes trips when she tries to walk the walk. If she did manage all she achieved while having to deal with Sith mind manipulation though, makes her that much more admirable even if, again, some of her decisions weren't really the wisest.
#star wars#padme amidala#padme naberrie#sheev palpatine#anti sith#anti empire#padme made some mistakes#a long engagement would have been smarter#and couples counseling#but more importantly reporting the massacre of children#really confused how she ignored that particular red flag#she often chose herself over her duty#which is common in a lot of politicians#but not admirable
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Man, now that I've made the connection between Palpatine intentionally manipulating Anakin against the Jedi and Anakin somewhat unintentionally poisoning Ahsoka against the Jedi, I can't unsee it.
We have this lineage that, yes, is called the disaster lineage, but is full of such beautiful wonderful Jedi who seem to have genuinely loved being a Jedi (at least, for a while in Dooku's case) and genuinely loved teaching and loved their students. And we see how that love and passion and dedication DID get passed down. We can see Yoda's patience and cleverness in Dooku, Dooku's passion in Qui-Gon, Qui-Gon's love and determination in Obi-Wan. We can even see some of Obi-Wan's lessons in Anakin every so often.
But Anakin isn't listening the same way everyone else was. Anakin doesn't believe the same way everyone else did.
Anakin gives lip service to the lessons he learned from Obi-Wan ("purpose before feelings") and Ahsoka certainly HEARS them, but she's also picking up just as much from Anakin's actual actions and choices and the lessons he teaches that go unsaid as she ever is from the few times he throws out some platitudes. She picks up on his mistrust of the Council, his belief that the Jedi aren't good enough. She knows that he wants to leave, that he's not even necessarily HAPPY as a Jedi all the time. She picks up on his disobedience and arrogance and impatience and puts herself in dangerous situations because of it. She sees his attachments, his attachment to HER, his attachments maybe even to Padme and Obi-Wan.
Anakin passes on just as much if not more of what he learned from PALPATINE than he ever did from Obi-Wan. Because actions can speak louder than words, and Anakin's actions show where his beliefs and values truly lie, and it isn't with the Jedi.
So Anakin breaks the lineage. He destroys Ahsoka's hopes of ever truly being a good Jedi Knight long before he commits genocide against the Order because he'd already started turning her against them, potentially without even realizing that that's what he was doing. Ahsoka got trained by Darth Vader, by Palpatine's apprentice, before he took on the name and position officially.
Which raises the question of whether Ahsoka WOULD'VE stayed in the Order ultimately in a situation where the Wrong Jedi arc doesn't happen, Palpatine is killed early, and Anakin stays for longer for one reason or another, but remains married to Padme and living a life of secrecy and lies. Would Ahsoka have ultimately had just enough mindfulness to decide to walk away? Would she have always decided the Jedi were too busy playing politics to truly help anyone, or did that only happen because of the Wrong Jedi arc? Would Anakin's training of her always have ultimately led to that end just because he's giving her Palpatine's poison, but she grew up on Jedi foundations of mindfulness that would give her the ability to actually walk away that Anakin has never had?
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I’m sorry to the Jedi Stans but when you read the Revenge of The Sith novel and you see how effortlessly Sheev “Darth Sidious” Palpatine be playing the Jedi Order (who is actively conspiring to make a power play against him on some illegal shit and sending an spy who he trusts to knock him off his pivot) you can’t even be mad. Like dawg is a genius. They be thinking they smarter than sheev, whole time he playing em right back—not even bothered or folding under pressure. He playing 5D chess with the Jedi, seeing him win is satisfying as a reader because the Jedi really be thinking sheev some dummy who they backdoor. Dawg I dunno how anybody can be mad at him when you realize all the mind games and traps he be ducking and dodging
#star wars#sw prequels#sw#sw sequels#original trilogy#sw hc#sw headcanons#sw memes#sith order#sith#Jedi#jedi order#sheev palpatine#sheevposting#darth sidious#pro jedi#jedi appreciation#anti jedi#jedi critical#jedi culture
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i like this bc it makes me want to squash him like a bug :)
(but fr i love the comparisons between the bugs and the outfits)(also would never actually squash any of these bugs(only the one in human skin))
He is bugs
Puffy sleeves and blues Senator Palpatine is matching the Euops genus of leaf-rolling weevils
Camarotus singularis and the chancellor’s spectacular sleeves
What in the world? Frog legged beetle Sagra Fulgida.
The Emperor is a pale imitation of the humble stag beetle. Lucanus Cervus.
What a brilliant color! Agrypnus agrillaceus.
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I have recently been informed that my #anti Palpatine tag has possibly been alienating the Palpatine fandom (-cries in darth vader- NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO).
Here on this blog, we love the very insidious Sheev Palpatine very much. All we ever want is for him to receive his well-earned credit for the numerous Evildoings. On this blog, we do not support people blaming the Jedi or Padme or the little blue butterflies clinging to their last flutters of life in Anakin Skywalker's meditative hellscape. We blame Palpatine himself. Partly because it's true, but mostly because we know he would not have it any other way. :)
Thus, I will no longer be using the #anti Palpatine tag and will slowly be replacing its iterations with the #blame the Palpster tag. Same message, same concept, same belief system (aka "blame the actual emotional abuser for the emotional abuse") but with a little added wink at the man as he masterfully rips the galaxy apart. :D <3
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