#anti sequel trilogy

[missourielephant]

It was already shown that only 37% of American viewers even finished the first season of Rings of Power (it does not deserve proper italics). That was already a hilarious fail, but more numbers have come out. Over the course of 5 days, the viewing numbers for the Season 2 Premier were roughly half of what the Season 1 Premier did in 4 days. This worthless terrible show is one of the biggest disasters in the history of television, which can only be a good thing.

Because here's the thing, the best way to describe this show isn't terrible, or boring, or cheap looking, or failing the source material. It is all those things, but the best word to describe it is hateful. This show is Hateful. The contempt for Tolkien and fans of Tolkien drips from the showrunners, writers, and actors. The number of changes they've made can't be explained in any other way. One explanation is that the recognize the true genius, imagination, and talent that Tolkien had; and lacking those things themselves, hate him for having them. The other is that they hate him for being a Caucasian Catholic Male.

The only other show that seems to have a similar hatred of the source material is Velma. The Acolyte and the most reason season of Doctor Who certainly hated the established fan base, but even they didn't show such blatant disrespect and hate for the source. Kathleen Kennedy on the other hand, does seem to hate everything that George Lucas created.

And the only thing the showrunners, writers, actors and fans can say in defense is "If you don't like this you're a bigot! You're a racist, misogynist, homophobe, etc."

I can only shake my head that entertainment has fallen so far and celebrate the failures of such awful shows made by such awful people.

[queen-of-mandalore]

The more I think about the clones’ storyline in TBB, the more I see the similarities to Finn’s story in the Sequels and how much of a missed opportunity that was.

Like Cody questioning if the empire was really making the galaxy better, Finn realises that what the First Order was doing was wrong. Like with Crosshair, holding another trooper as they die makes him realise enough is enough and he has to get out.

Finn doesn’t even have a name, he’s just a number. How often in Clone Wars is the fact that the clones are more than just numbers brought up? Plus how the empire only sees them as numbers. The way Finn chooses a name just like the clones all chose their own because they wanted to be more than just their numbers, because despite everything they are still people.

But then in the sequels they just forget that Finn was ever a stormtrooper at all - he just becomes another rebel side character despite him having the most interesting backstory to any of the new characters. I wish we’d gotten Finn’s guilt of leaving the other stormtroopers behind, perhaps coming across troopers he was close with, Finn refusing to kill them because he knows they’ve been brainwashed like he had been - give me Finn using stun bolts because he doesn’t want to hurt them just like the freed clones do in TBB. I want to see Finn grapple with finding who he is, where his thoughts start and his brainwashing ends - I’m thinking about Rex’s conversation with Cut about if he truly believes in what he’s doing or if it’s just want he’s been programmed to believe. Give me complex conversations with Poe - Poe arguing that Finn can’t save the other stormtroopers and he’s being naive to think he can change their minds, Finn refusing to accept that. Finn giving rousing speeches to the stormtroopers that make them think twice - just like Fives’ speech in Umbara. Stormtroopers hearing about Finn’s defection and suddenly realising for the first time they have a choice.

Finn should have taken on the role Rex did in TBB, fighting to get other stormtroopers out of the First Order. We should have seen other stormtroopers questioning their loyalty to the First Order, maybe some still choosing to stay. We should have got moments like the one between Rex and Wolffe in TBB, with Finn trying to talk his former brothers in arms into doing the right thing. Finn should have led a full on mutiny.

But no, all nuance about the stormtroopers was ignored and they became canon fodder like always. Finn was sidelined and got no storyline or character arc of his own. When you see what they did with the clones across TCW and TBB, it really makes you realise just what we could have had if they hadn’t squandered Finn’s potential and had the guts to do something with some nuance - maybe the ‘bad guys’ aren’t all pure evil, maybe these faceless soldiers the resistance murder on mass are actual people who could have been saved? Maybe it didn’t have to be so black and white, good guys vs bad, but no that would be too complex and interesting.

[caripr94]

Look what the news site for Disney has the audacity to say. In case you didn't have enough proof that they consider Hayden Christensen as nothing more than nostalgia bait.

Just when this guy is getting some respect and drawing in fans to their media, Disney is considering kicking him to the curb. And all they can say as an excuse is basically "we don't have any more stories for him" and "he's getting too old to make him look young". After they made up a canonically inconsistent adventure to drag desert hermit Obi-Wan into, CGI'ed up a 70-year-old Mark Hamill to play a mid-20s Luke Skywalker, and brought Palpatine back from the dead to cram into their sequel trilogy finale.

On the bright side, at least they can't butcher Hayden!Anakin anymore like they've done in these recent shows. But on the other hand, it gives me more reason to see Disney Lucasfilm crash and burn so that someone else can rebuild it from scratch and bring Hayden back in to give him the respect he deserves.

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[letitrainathousandflames]

It's been years and I still can't believe ppl gave mark hamill shit for stating, very correctly, that the luke skywalker from the sequels was OOC and not his luke. They took the galaxy's most selfless, compassionate man - who was kind enough to believe darth goddamn vader could still be redeemed - and turned him into an angsty shut-in who exiled himself away from his friends and who would try to raise a blade against a sleeping teenager who was also his nephew.

Mark was right - whoever the hell that dude was, he is not luke skywalker.

[darkcrowprincess]

In this blog the sequel trilogy does not exist. Luke Leia and Han got their happy endings. The Skywalker family knows peace and continues. And theres peace in the galaxy! If another war does start in the star wars universe its way way after Luke Skywalker story!

[lieutenant-teach]

Why can’t they in Disney be more creative? Thinking over the Sequel Trilogy – why Rey lives in a desert? Why not make her homeworld… a rainy world, like Kamino? Or jungles, like Endor? Why desert? Because ‘nostalgia’? It’s just repetition at best, plagiarism at worst. It’s just not interesting! Or – why Chewbacca? Nostalgia, yes, ‘connection with the past’, yes, but why not use an original furry and non-speaking character? A Jawa, for example (because I like Jawas)? We have some representation of the Tuskens in The Book of Boba Fett, so why not Jawas? Or an original race? Why liken the Sequels SO MUCH to the OT? Watching the Prequels didn’t cause the feeling ‘I’ve seen it already, meh, boring’ in terms of world building.

[mystarwarsmatters]

Oh Go to Hell.

Newsflash from a woman: Rey is a joke bc she has no character outside of what’s been vandalized and pillaged from the remains of pre-Disney SW. We don't want whatever she’s shaping.

[competitivedust]

Saying you liked The Last Jedi because of Worldbuilding™ as if there was any of that in the movie at all. That's one way to make sure I disregard all your opinions in the future. They had to make a guy taste the salt on Crait so people knew that it wasn't Hoth.

[oreolesbian]

still actively seething about how not only did disney ruin everything about luke skywalker and his legacy as a character in the sequels, but they are now taking one of his most beloved legends stories, heir to the empire, and doing it without him

[sheepwhosleeps]

Star Wars Sequels

Hate being called a misogynst or whatever because I dislike Rey, and her entire sequal triology. I dislike Rey because she feels like a bland, boring and overpowered character. I would LOVE her being powerful if she were trained to get that power, and if she didn't give in to her anger literally EVERY TIME SHE FOUGHT. Which is...y'know something Jedi AREN'T supposed to do.

[technoturian]

I will say this; although I abhor the SW sequels in nearly every other way, one thing at which they must be commended is the way they took Oscar Isaac, an already incredibly attractive man, and made the decision to make him look the best he’s ever looked in his life.

Most attractive outfits. Perfect curls. Just enough five o’clock shadow. Popped collar. Sunkissed cheeks.

He may not have a plot or consistent characterization but he’s going to trudge through this clunky dialogue looking like Adonis himself.

[thehollowprince]

If you could erase one (1) Star Wars media (a movie/series/comic/book/other) and no one would ever remember it’s existance. Which one would it be?

Sorry it took me so long to get to this, but u literally went through everything Star Wars that I could think of. The answer is the Sequel Trilogy.

That trilogy (of such loosely connected things could be called a trilogy) was such garbage, from beginning to end. The Force Awakens was one of the laziest movies I've ever seen - literally a beat-for-beat recreation of A New Hope with tiny aesthetic changes. The Last Jedi was a Star Wars film written and directed by a man who doesn't like Star Wars or its fans. And The Rise of Skywalker was... honestly, I don't even know what to call it. That was just a cluster fuck designed to attempt to please everyone but ended up pissing everyone off instead.

So yeah, Sequel Trilogy should just be thrown out.

Which is a shame because I liked the characters. Or, more specifically, I liked the potential in those characters. Finn, Rey, Poe, Kylo, Rose, and even the villains. They could have all been used to such potential, and instead, they were squandered so that Disney could cash in on their attempt at a soft-reboot of a much beloved franchise without putting in any work.

[lieutenant-teach]

Questions to Star Wars Sequels

Rewatched the Sequel Trilogy with actual knowledge about Star Wars.

1. Why copy the planet or Rey’s origin? Why not jungles or literally anything else? I said more in another post [link].

2. Why make stormtroopers brainwashed and taken from childhood? Now it’s unfair to kill them if they didn’t have any other choice. There were words like ‘reprogramming’ – reminds of clones. I’ve always thought that stormtroopers are soldiers who believe in the cause of the Empire\First Order.

3. Give more competence for Finn! Poe pilot, Finn fighter/shooter, Rey inventive brain and hand-to-stick fighter / later Jedi. Overall give decent character arcs for main heroes – Finn loses his arc from TFA in the next movies, Poe doesn’t seem to have one, Rey’s motives to become a Jedi are unclear. Main trio doesn’t feel connected – Poe doesn’t meet Rey until the end of the second movie, unlike in the OT (what they did to the OT characters, was covered million times by others, won’t repeat). Kylo could’ve been somewhat good as a villain, but he’ll always be compared to Darth Vader and lose – he’s not so impressive at all (his fits of anger made him look pitiful in my eyes). Their romance is toxic and doesn’t have any chemistry. I ship Finnrey, I see they really care about each other.

4. Characters speak with typical action blockbuster clichés – app.15% of actually meaningful to the plot phrases throughout the whole trilogy. Makes me miss the dialogues of the Prequels. The plots in general are so dragged out – the Lego game (!) is much more dynamic.

5. Why don’t you kriffing EXPLAIN all this shit about strand-casts in the movie??? Why must I read supplementary material to understand this? When I was watching, I couldn’t understand why Snoke is so deformed for a clone, and Palpatine’s cloned ‘son’ doesn’t look like young Palps in the slightest. AND THEN I READ WOOKIEPEDIA. I want to watch a movie and understand what’s going on in it! Not go looking for info somewhere else! (Won’t comment on an utter idiocy of making Rey a Palpatine.)

6. Usage of the Force through a hologram?

7. Sudden psychometry, just like with Ahsoka – useful to the plot. Sudden healing – why did Anakin worry so much? Apparently, if you really want it, you can do it.

8. Why do we need D-O droid? He brings nothing to the plot and quite irritating!

9. Why are there lots of Sith acolytes/apprentices/disciples? Wasn’t there the Rule of Two?

I give it – ‘I’m all the Jedi’ was cool, I liked it. It’s just the build-up to this moment was unearned.

John Williams’ score was the best part of the whole trilogy.

[mystarwarsmatters]

The latest from Twitter: “Shipping isn’t new! It’s been around since OG Star Trek!” And “Most Rey/los are adults!” Have me spiraling.

1.) Ppl are upset over mainstream work catering to shipper discourse, not that shipping exists. Nobody cares that you ship fictional characters together, only if it disrupts an actual story - which Rey/lo absolutely did.

2.) Why tf are grown adults proud to be the face of an obsessive, obnoxious circle-jerk pastime?

[competitivedust]

The sequels really gave us Finn and Poe and then completely disregarded them as characters even though they might have been the best thing about those dumpster fire movies.