#anti sith

[mysticaltora8276]

Yes, the Sith are based on Nazis.

“Freedom“ you mean the freedom to kill anybody who doesn’t conform to what they want? That’s who the Sith are.

“Empowerment.“ I’m sorry since when is basically empowering themselves to the detriment of others OK? That’s not empowerment that’s being selfish. That’s what they are. And they follow the Nazi ideology to a T. Eugenics? Oh yeah, they were on it. Allowing themselves to be swayed by power for the pursuit of power not to help anybody else but for their own personal interests? Oh yeah, that’s them.

And by the way, your earlier session which you erased because it was just dumb. Palpatine is not based off of Donald Trump. Palpatine was based off of Richard Nixon. This is something that anybody who with any sort of knowledge of Star Wars should know. Again, if you’re going to make an assumption, at least do your research instead of Using ignorant comments.

I like the idea of the acolyte because it did show a different point of view, but the thing of it is that you forget the acolyte is not the good guy. You can still have a villain protagonist and that’s OK. But the acolyte Osha is not the good guy. She murdered people. So did her sister. They are not good people, but that’s OK. You can have despicable protagonists there’s nothing wrong with that but they’re not supposed to be in the right. Considering the fact that Osha is going down the path of the dark side. You know the path in which they basically say “screw anybody else that isn’t me.”

Also, the Jedi aren’t real nice in that series. It shows the fault of a few Jedi. Nowhere is the order criticized, except for an ignorant senator who has no clue what he’s talking about. Because I can assure you in the movies they make a clear. “compassion or what I like to call selfless loveis something the Jedi teach. So you might say we are encouraged to love.” That’s a direct quote for the movies. The Jedi are not some sort of hateful cult. Also, I think it’s funny that you’re OK with the Sith who caused genocide after genocide. Have no regrets about it. These aren’t people with a “different point of view.“ These are people diametrically opposed to good. And even the one Sith Lord that they tried to make out as a “good guy“ was more or less an invention told to a pathological liar by a pathological liar.

Again, you can like bad guys and that’s fine. But don’t pretend that their ideology has any merit because again these are the bad guys and we’re not supposed to follow their example. Even the acolyte started to lean towards the fact that maybe just may be following the guy who says that he wants to murder people because that’s his “freedom” isn’t a good guy. And it’s not someone you should be following.

The Sith are Nazis and it's never been subtle

This one ended up being really long. I spliced in some images when I could to break it up easier.

One of the things that causes the most friction in the world is the idea of morality. I know, that's the most water is wet statement ever said but I think people really miss just how much the nuance of morality goes over people's heads. Subjective, objective, relative, from a baseline we understand that there are different types of morality but I don't think people really grasp how much a persons personal morality can be wildly different to any another given person's, especially among people who share spaces like fandoms. Morality is shaped by personal experiences, there are personal experiences that are 99% ubiquitous among humanity like "Pain" that form the basis of everyone's moral compass, then there are the major cultural touchstones that no matter what your morality will be affected by, religion, nation, race, all that what have you. Everyone has an opinion on the Christian Church and that opinion is informed by your morals. People who have been abused by members of a church will have a very different view of the morality of a religion compared to people who have been raised Catholic compared to someone who was raised agnostic compared to someone raised agnostic and is queer compared to someone who has been raised Catholic and is queer compared to someone who has been raised Catholic and is queer and is also rich and so on and so forth you get it.

Morality is not a binary thing, and it's not a nine point grid either D&D, it's more like one of those circle charts that Jojo Stands get ranked on. You know the ones that always seem to show up in anime? I don't know what they're called. Except instead of a circle it's more like a ball, and everyone has this horrible looking 3D balls covered in bumps and spikes and dips and holes.

Why am I opening this ramble with a ramble about morality and religion? Because I'm on tumblr. When I decide I want to ramble about something I read the tags and see what the vibe is, see what people are saying about things. I'm not part of the "Fandom", I don't know the discourses, I see that there's Anti-Jedi and Pro-Jedi and "Stanikins" and all of these different labels and battlelines, and then I read about how people on either side are feeling attacked and harassed by people on other sides. I have no idea how real this is, I have no idea what kind of minefield I'm about to walk into. I'm just rambling about my thoughts and feelings about Star Wars because I like it and I'm a little extra aware that this one is going to ruffle feathers.

Because people are fuckin' worked up about Jedi. There are people who are making it part of their identity that they are anti-Jedi. And it's been happening for years, decades even. Because the experiences and trends of nerd culture has been pushing against systems and religion since I was a baby. Nerds being obnoxious atheists and smugly telling people "God isn't real" was basically the norm when I was a teenager, and before I was born nerds were dealing with being called evil and satanic. Nothing I'm rambling about here is new, in fact using D&D as a touchstone I think the current trend for nerddom's interaction with religion is ambivalence, despite faith and divine power being such an important part of D&D, there's basically zero interaction with divinities in 5e, and when there is it's hostile and has an asterisk against it. I'll do a ramble about this one day too

But the Jedi stuff is interesting to me, because there's a lot of directions people come at for it.

There's people who argue against just Jedi because they're a religion. There's people who argue the Jedi are slavers or kidnap children. People think Jedi are super beings who lord over everyone with their power. People think the Jedi force people to suppress their emotions and personhood. There are people who think Jedi are moral supremacists who silence and kill anyone who thinks about the Force differently from them.

I have some "Pro-Jedi" arguments to make but I'll save them for a different ramble, because this one's supposed to be about another group of people.

The people who think, from their point of view, the Jedi are evil.

The reason I rambled on so much about people being Anti-Jedi is because very often, these people end up being Pro-Sith. It's an obvious leap, if the Jedi are the problem then the people opposed to the Jedi might have the right idea. If your issue with the Jedi is that they disallow "Attachment", then here's the Sith who are all about Attachment. If your issue with the Jedi is that they suppress their emotions then here's the Sith who are always tapping into their emotions. There is an immediate appeal there.

Then there's the Sith Code, let's give it a read.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.

Pretty sweet, Passion is pretty positive, breaking chains and freedom. I can get behind that. The rest of Sith Philosophy is pretty swell too. It's about improvement through conflict. Your struggles make you stronger, makes you better, removes your shackles and lets you be free, but also recognizes that you will have to do whatever it takes to do so. The Jedi seek to wipe out the dark knowledge you attain, so you must sequester yourself and hide when you must hide, and strike when you must strike. It's stance could be summed up as something like... "The sacred mission of a Sith is to preserve the Sith Order's most valuable elements as you raise yourself to a dominant position, and all who do not are chaff."

There are people who are really into this. Like, really, really into this. They talk about how they apply this mentality to their real life. They describe themselves as Sith. There are also people who are only kind of into this, they think about positive Sith characters and make headcanons about the good things Sith do.

I need to stress, for those people, that what I am about to say is not hyperbole. I will provide sources.

The Sith Code and Philosophy is Nazi Propaganda. It is literally lifted from Mein Kampf. That quote I used to sum it up is a paraphrased quote from Britannica.com. That's Hitler.

The Sith Code was invented to be in opposition to the Jedi Code, its purpose is to twist a preexisting code to make you think the alternative isn't so bad and it uses codephrases to do so.

Passion, Strength, Victory, Chains, being Free, these are words that we have presubscribed meanings for, but what do they mean in the Sith Code? What IS Passion? What IS Strength? What IS Victory?

Most people I interact with see Passion as Love, passionate, exciting love, the exact thing the Jedi reject. But that can't be it, where's Palpatine's love? Where's Maul's? Where's Vader's?

Passion is obsession. The kind of obsession that will lead you to burning everything down if you don't get what you want. It's not letting anything stand between you and your goal, even if that thing is your goal itself.

Let's break the code down here.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion. We start with the obvious twist on the Jedi code, an immediate refutation of the Jedi's first line. It stands in opposition.

Through passion, I gain strength. We've already done Passion, it's a nice little dressing up of "Being a raging psycho"

Through strength, I gain power. Strength is often intermingled with power, but it's often spoken of interchangably with being able to set aside morals. The Sith isn't an amoral monster who just killed a bunch of kids, he's just STRONG enough to do what needed to be done

Through power, I gain victory. Power isn't a code word. Power is Power, Power is what it's all about and there's no hiding it. In the Sith way the only thing that matters is that you are powerful enough to kill your rivals and stand on top.

Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. I think the notions of breaking chains and being Free is the cleverest part of the Sith Code's propaganda kit. It's still seeing use in The Acolyte and it's still convincing people that the Sith are right, even when the guy who's calling for freedom mercs a child then and there.

The Sith are not misunderstood heroes. They're Nazis. They're facist might makes right would be autocrats trying to convince you they're right so you'll validate them and prove them right.

Sith Philosophy is self defeating. Following the Sith Code means you need to define yourself on your conflict, meaning your conflict can never end. For all its claims of being free and breaking chains you can never be free of what drives you or you will lose the strength it gives you. To break your chains you need to hold onto them tight, and you can never let them go.

[roseaesynstylae]

Some Notes for Star Wars Writers

The dark side is not freedom, it’s not pleasure, it’s not happiness. It’s a hell and a slavery you get so deeply enmeshed in that you don’t even see the torment or the chains.

The balance of the Force is not the dark side and the light side being equal, it’s the balance between the Living Force and the Cosmic Force.

The Jedi do not need to be reformed or changed. While individual members can be flawed, the goals and beliefs of the whole are good and right.

Historically, the Mandalorians were assholes who were responsible for multiple genocides. This is important to remember when writing their interactions with the Jedi.

The Jedi did not attack first at Galidraan, nor did they intentionally set out to kill the True Mandalorians. They were manipulated by the governor and Tor Vizla. Jango didn’t exactly try to calm things down, either.

THE JEDI ARE NOT BABY-STEALERS.

ATTACHMENT IS NOT LOVE.

[sonic-fairyspell]

I find it a bit concerning how so many people think that Anakin "balanced" Force by killing a majority of the Jedi.... ... cause like that so called "balance" meant plunging the Galaxy into Darkness, there's not a lot of Good in the galaxy at that point, a fascist tyrannical dictatorship rose into power, and was run by two of the worst people ever.... and the defeat of said dictatorship and the two horrible people was seen as a very good thing.

So....

[jedi-enthusiasm-blog]

Oh look! Another anti!

I haven't written a single lie, your reading comprehension is just piss poor.

The Sith are based on nazis. Their Code is inspired by Mein Kaf, and most Sith are white humans, even in Legends. (Vader, Dooku, Sidious, Vitiate, Revan, Vectivus, Caedus, Lumiya…). It's not even subtle. Meanwhile, the Jedi have humans (Anakin, Obi-Wan…), zabraks (Eeth Koth, Agen Kolar…), trogutas (Ahsoka, Shaak Tii), twi'leks (Aayla), kiffars (Quinlan), whatever species Yoda and Yaddle are… The Jedi are the most diverse group ever shown on screen.

Lasats, Guardians of the Whills, Nightsisters. All Force sects, one of them of Darksiders. All of them have two things in common: they coexisted in peace with the Jedi and were genocided by the Sith. Moreover, we are shown that Barriss (y'know, a Jedi until her Fall) has what looks an awful lot like a Mirilian Idol in her room, cultural headdress and tattoos, and cultural symbols on both sides of her door for everyone to see. The Sith, however, genocided every single Force sect that has different views on the Force.

Palpatine is not an exception, he is literally what the Sith wanted all along. He is the culmination of a centuries long plot to kill all the Jedi and overthrow the Republic.

"Through victory my chains are broken". (Sith Code). What happens if you don't win? Don't worry, I'll tell you: "Long have Sith Empires been built upon the backs of slaves." (Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious, TCW).

"Unholy emotions"? That doesn't exist as a concept in Star Wars, and mindfulness and control aren't repression. Tell me you're projecting without telling me you're projecting.

Adding to the above point: Vaapad. That's a Jedi tecnique that canalizes emotion (mainly anger). You were saying?

Why on earth are you here? We clearly have vastly different readings of the source material, and I haven't been subtle in my opinions. Block me, keep scrolling and move on with your life, you will be much happier that way.

You saw a clearly tagged post (anti sith, sith critical…) and you decided to reblog it to make both our lives miserable with a pointless argument. Why? Seriously, what the heck made you to do that?

Wow. "Stop sucking Jedi cock". Telling people to suck dick or stop doing so does not make you mature. You know what does? Minding your own damn business.

Enjoy the block. I will not lose any fucking sleep over it.

No small part of Legends seems determined to make the Jedi look bad and the Sith look good. Considering the Sith are inspired by nazis and fascists, it's both funny and deeply concerning.

But I digress.

One of these attempts is the character Darth Vectivus, a human male Dark Lord of the Sith during the time of the Galactic Republic, when the Sith are in hiding. Apparently, he's a man with friends, with a family he loves and who love him back, a regular job… He's a perfectly normal guy, a perfectly mundane dude among thousands of megalomaniacs.

His first appeareance is as a ghost (some funky Dark Side thingy he created, btw), when he's trying to convince a Jedi (don't remember this one, I think it was a girl?) to strike him down. This is because these ghosts are connected to a living being, if the ghost is striken down, the being they're connected to dies. Vectivus is connected to Jacen Solo, who's on the edge of falling to the Dark Side. Apparently, Vectivus does not want a galaxy ruled by the kind of Sith Jacen Solo (or rather Darth Caedus) would become.

But, unlike other attempts at making the Sith look good in the EU, I actually like this guy. Why? Mostly for the funnies, not gonna lie. This Dark Lord of the Sith, the ultimate villain of the SW universe… is a perfectly normal guy with the same problems in his life as the rest of us.

Vectivus didn't know he was Force sensitive until his adulthood when, while doing Business™️, he and his employees came across a Dark Force nexus inside one of the mines they were working in. Fascinated by the power he could feel, he disolved his business, gave compensation to his employees, and went to search for the surviving Sith who could teach him. However, despite his Sith training, he remains a perfectly normal guy who lives a perfectly mundane life until his death, when he dies surrounded by friends and family. It's hilarious, can you imagine his Master's face? The sheer dissapointment?

He has restrain and moral standards. For example, he seems to be a decent boss and doesn't exploit his employees, cares for his friends and family and, just by guessing, isn't a complete asshole to his Apprentice since, whoever they are, they opt not to kill him despite the existance of the Rule of Two.

And yet… we find out he's still economically predatory, he still abuses his powers to harm and profit over rivals, and generally win at business. He isn't causing harm to those close to him, but he's still harnessing the Dark Side to hurt others.

That's the whole point, the Dark Side is always corruptive. Darth Vectivus is just less corrupted than most Sith.

That's it, that's what I like the most about the guy. He seems normal, is normal in a way… and yet he's still an evil bastard, only the regular evil bastard we find in our daily lives instead of the murderous crazy no-sense-of-restrain kind of Evil Bastard™️ we're used to see in a Sith.

It's… a bit of a grim reminder that evil is everywhere, in everyone, including you, and it can take many forms. That even the most kind-seeming people can be evil.

On the other side, the people he's murdered are… zero. Nonexistant, zero, nada. He's killed absolutely nobody. It's actually pretty funny. He's the only non-murderous Sith in existance, literally the only sane man in an Order of fascist megalomaniacs and it's hilarious.

I'm rather glad for his existance, actually, thanks Legends. Mostly because now I can say that I've killed as many people as a Dark Lord of the Sith.

[awesomecitys-blog]

When people call the Jedi Order baby stealers, I always wonder if they watched the episode series where Palpatine, the big bad Sith Lord, has Cad Bane break into the Jedi Temple to steal a holocron that contains a record of recently born Force-sensitive children and then use it to go kidnap those kids. And he successfully kidnaps two of them before the Jedi catch up at the third planet, where the mom is surprised that the Jedi, Cad in disguise, is back so soon for her child, as she was told that it would be some months to a year before the Jedi came to get her kid. Which shoots the whole baby stealing argument in the foot. The actual baby stealer is told that the people he is impersonating weren’t coming back as early as he was, and it’s only because Cad is exceptionally skilled at his job that he is able to convince the mom to give up her child. It can also be reasonably assumed that the Jedi act the same way in regards to every parent who has a Force-sensitive child, which make the only baby stealers in the galaxy the Sith, the bad guys, and anyone they employ to help them, who would also be bad guys.

[thelibrarian1895]

Mandalorians hate Jedi because...

"the Jedi are child stealers" NO

And again I say NO. I saw someone claim this and it absolutely infuriated me.

First point, THE JEDI ARE NOT CHILD STEALERS. That accusation is sithspit anti jedi propaganda. If a parent or guardian told the Jedi no, they didn't want their kid to be a Jedi, the Jedi respected that. They would, however, remove children from danger. But would you call a social worker who took children from environments where they were being molested, starved, beaten, or worse, a child stealer? No? Then don't call the Jedi child stealers for the same actions.

Second point, the average Mandalorian didn't really know or care too much about Jedi. In all honestly, most Mandalorians, like the rest of the galaxy, had no real idea about the difference between Jedi or other force sects like the nightsisters or general darksiders or even the sith except perhaps the color of their lightsabers. Some Mandalorians, like our beloved Din Djarin, knew nothing at all about Jedi and only cared when in became relevant and then did as much research as possible regarding the Jedi. Others, like Jango Fett, had very personal interactions with Jedi and formed their opinions of the Jedi as a whole based on those interactions with no further reason or desire to look further into the Jedi.

Third point, for Mandalorians who studied history or listened to old stories, they knew why the Mandalorians disliked the Jedi and it was for a very simple reason that they liked to avoid actively admitting. That reason? The Jedi kicked the shebs of the Mandalorian armies.

Twice.

Quite possibly there was another point when the Jedi suppressed the Mandalorian empire but there were two times for certain. Granted, the republic played a large part and the Jedi definitely didn't all interfere in one of those two conflicts, and actually actively avoided one of those two conflicts except in a few cases, and there were definitely some terrible things done, but the fact remains that when the Mandalorian empire attempted to expand and basically take over the galaxy, the Jedi were key to stopping this. And no, the Mandalorian empire was not a good thing. But more importantly, if you thought your ancestors or your cultures' armies were in the right and they were beaten, would you like the descendants of those who beat your side?

Fourth point, would you like the side that beat your side if they refused to give you a proper rematch? The Mandalorians who know anything about Jedi know that Jedi have access to all this power, plus generally have a super cool plasma sword, but the Jedi won't fight or they'll de-escalate or generally indulge in pacifistic behavior and we all know how Mandalorians feel about presumed pacifists, right? A Mandalorian denied a fight is often a frustrated Mandalorian. A Mandalorian who sees someone who has all this strength and power often doesn't understand why that person doesn't use that power, doesn't take revenge or slaughter their enemies or a million other things that they would do with such power. So those that don't understand choose to dislike. Why won't the Jedi fight them?! (please imagine the sentence immediately previous spoken in an extremely whiney tone of voice)

Fifth point, the Mandalorians frequently throughout history worked with the Sith or were on the Sith side of conflicts because of a lack of knowledge about force sects meant the Mandalorians didn't generally realize how absolutely stupid it is to side with the Sith but beyond that the Mandalorians often learned about the Jedi from the Sith. So the Mandalorians got stories from the Sith about the Jedi being weak and cold and blah, blah, blah stupid sith propaganda that I don't want to perpetuate. And those Mandalorians would then think themselves Jedi experts, because hadn't they learned about the Jedi from another Jedi? Granted, a dark Jedi but still a Jedi, right? So they'd tell other Mandalorians the propaganda and so the Mandalorians had that Sith skewed idea of the Jedi perpetuated throughout their history.

So the Mandalorians have their own reasons for not like the Jedi, which have NOTHING to do with child stealing, just as the Jedi have plenty of reasons to want to avoid the Mandalorians. Personally though I'm going to blame a lot of those reasons on both sides on the Sith and be grumpy about the Sith and the effectiveness of their propaganda.

And finally, I'm pretty sure at least a tiny bit of the animosity between Mandalorians and Jedi arose from the Mandalorians being jealous that the Jedi had lightsabers and they didn't. To be fair, I'm a little jealous too. Lightsabers are cool.

[xryin]

The amount of people supporting the sith just because the Jedi were forced to take bad decisions because of a few people or the worsening circumstances is concerning

It’s even more concerning that a minority of those supporters support the sith because they are very transparent about their evil even when the Jedi had thousands of years in their universe upholding a peace that lasted till the sith started interfering and seizing on people’s fear and anger

They caused multiple problems including the Rakaghul plague in legends but people still support them because of the Jedi taking a stance that many of the order disagreed with on varying degrees

Why is it the Jedi’s problem that the galaxy started mistreating them till they either break or forced to give up their pacifist views?

That seems like victim blaming

[short-wooloo]

The SW fandom is a case study for how people fall for fascist rhetoric

[jedi-enthusiast]

I have to ask you, considering my own pro jedi views, why do people think the sith are even better

If the Jedi are miserable without a romantic relationship

Then the sith are downright husks of their former selves

They regularly kill their loved ones in blind anger after all

And don’t get me started on darth marr and malgus they are outliers of the sith empire

Even the malgus was like “ better kill my wife because I would be seen weak if I’m shown to love her and cannot protect her.”, like that’s more toxic

You cannot tell me that the sith are better people if they managed to make an outlier of their order and empire think that

I'm gonna be 100% honest with you, I was half asleep when I read this yesterday and I thought you asked me "why do you think the Sith are better?" and I was so confused. Then I woke up a little more, re-read this, made breakfast, and then promptly forgot about responding 😭

so yeah, sorry for the hold up lmao

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To be honest, I think people think this because the Sith are the opposite of the Jedi---so, when people hate the Jedi and make up shit about how they "aren't allowed to have emotions" or whatever, they view the Sith as good and emotionally healthy and happy just because they're the opposite of the Jedi and not really because of anything we're actually shown about the Sith.

They make up a fake version of the Jedi in their heads, using terrible takes and bad-faith arguments and fanon headcanons, then hear "the Sith are opposite of the Jedi" and proceed to make up a fake version of the Sith in their heads, using straight-up delusion and more fanon headcanons, to be "the REAL good guys" in this ridiculous daydream ooc roleplay bullshit they have going on.

I think it's fucking insane, though, considering that literally nothing in canon shows us that---in fact, it's exactly the opposite.

Literally every Sith we're shown, save for like...maybe Palpatine, is fucking miserable. They're hateful and angry and generally have had their lives completely fucked up---they're not happy in the slightest, let alone happier than the Jedi.

And you're absolutely right, Sith are husks of themselves, because that's what the Dark Side does---it twists you and brings out your worst traits and enables your worst impulses until you're nothing but a cold hateful shell of your former self. That's the whole point.

You're also very right about the whole Malgus thing because, if even the Sith outliers are killing their loved ones, I have my doubts about the Sith being happier and/or "being allowed to love while the repressed, cold Jedi are forced to not love anyone" (which is like...the main argument I've seen about this).

I don't have the comic panel on hand, but there's even a comic where some Sith lord (I think it might've been Palpatine) says that there's no place for love/empathy/etc. in a Sith.

Meanwhile we get quote upon quote about how the Jedi are "weak" because of their compassion, how they care for the innocent, how the Jedi will literally put themselves at risk just to help people because that's who the Jedi are, etc. etc.

So yeah, I have no idea where this whole narrative of "the Sith are better than the Jedi/allowed to love while the Jedi aren't/they're happier than the Jedi/etc." has gotten so popular---it's literally all nonsensical bullshit and everyone who genuinely believes this is just fucking delusional at this point.

[kittenfangirl20]

I am going to have to say this, but even if I am critical of some of the practices of the Jedi Order, I am not anti Jedi or believe that they deserved their fate. In fact I am critical of the practices of Jedi Order because I truly believe that they can do better. I don’t make posts being critical of the Sith Lords because I don’t have to point out how evil they are and how much their practices corrupt a person, the movies and other forms of media make it pretty damn obvious. I also am not fond of Pro Jedi people who act as if only Anakin was responsible for his fall or even if Anakin never fell everything would be just fine, the Republic and the Jedi Order was still doomed, it is just in this instance Anakin would still have Padmé by his side with their children and he would have played a very big role in the Rebel Alliance and Padmé would have been a co leader with Mon Mothma and Bail Organa.

[acewizardinspace]

The last two episodes of Star Wars Visions Volume 2 ("The Pit" and "Aau's Song") have some great parallels. I have no idea if this was on purpose or a coincidence, but it is very telling how differently the sith and the jedi handle the same issue.

In both episodes people were mining for kyber crystals, but in one the people were slaves in awful conditions who face oppressive acts of violence, and in another they are respected workers who are completely free and when in danger are protected from injury.

It is a comparison that is impossible to ignore when the episodes are right next to each other and forcibly reminds the viewer that yes, the sith are fucking evil and the jedi are nothing like them.

[jedi-enthusiasm-blog]

On one side, Star Wars has an Order of space Magic monks whose main mission is fighting for peace and justice in the galaxy. On the other, it has what is basically space nazis.

The anti-Jedi pro-Sith crowd baffles and scares me in equal messure.

[passionesolja]

Jedi Stans is more clinically insane than sith Stan’s. I love the sith. I would boot lick every Sith Lord in existence and be their footstool but when a Jedi stan says “they’re evil I’m happy the Jedi smoke em” I’m like “shiii I mean the sith do live by the sword and die by it. Rip. They died how they live, and went out like real ones” it’s like, “yeah I know. Who even cares” why? everybody who likes the Sith knows the Sith is evil but we don’t care because it’s fictional

but when you even say “yeah I don’t fw the Jedi like they’re pious and when they beefed with Sidious they had a 1vs 10k with him and still lost. The Jedi played the game and lost. Not crying for em” they act like you attacking a real marginalized group and start making slander on your real life beliefs and political views—all because in the context of a fictional series, you prefer the villain organization over the hero.

I have never seen anybody use a real world religion as a shield for their space wizards but Jedi Stan’s do it. Like calm down. Sith Stans don’t have to use Buddhism as a shield for anything bc we literally know they’re evil and flawed but we don’t care bc it’s fake. When the sith get wiped out, and Jedi Stan’s have their fun, I don’t call them “pro genocide” bc it’s fake chill out. I’m not besties with the Sith Order idgaf if they live or die. No emotional impact on me bc they fake

But when I say “damn 10k jedi couldn’t even beat one 63 year old man that’s hilarious. Damn rip Sidious dumbass got thrown in the deathstar pit lmao” I get called an facist and pro genocide

I say all that to say that the practice of using real marginalized groups, and religions as a shield to defend the Jedi is disrespectful and needs to end. A lot of y’all are way too emotionally attached to the Jedi order so maybe take a page out of their teachings and lighten up. Y’all is attached to this Order for no reason like Yoda and nem ain’t give you a penny but y’all acting like these is real people who play a role in your life

[dragonladyzarz]

Acolyte Ideas

So I’ve been hearing some worrying things about the new Acolyte TV show, and how the people leading it view the Jedi.  I’ve been worried about having a show from the perspective of the Sith ever since it was announced, and this seems to bear out that concern.  Ideally, one would approach such a show with as much caution and consideration as one would a show written from the point of view of the Nazi high command (considering the real-life inspiration of the Empire), but it seems unlikely that will be the case.

Still, I think a pro-Jedi, Sith-POV show would be possible, so if Lucasfilm ever decided to hire me, here are my initial thoughts on how I’d do it:

I assume Acolyte is intended to be the Sith term for apprentice, so have the main character be the apprentice to the current Sith Master.

Start with showing how the Acolyte came under Sith control - maybe their (her?) parents were planning to give her to the Jedi, but the Sith snuck in first and pretended to be the Jedi, a la Cad Bane.  Maybe the parents had refused to give her to the Jedi, but the Sith later stole her, or maybe she simply was never tested so the Jedi didn’t know about her at all.  Regardless, no “Jedi steal babies” implications.

Then, an episode or so of her training.  Emphasize how brutal it is, how the Sith Master doesn’t support her or let her rest or even get medical treatment, just puts her into impossible situations and tells her to figure it out.  Also emphasis Sith brainwashing and how she has no other perspectives to compare with.

At some point here, start contrasting more with the Jedi.  The B plot is a Jedi Master and padawan off on some mission, so (to make the show’s intentions abundantly clear), whenever the Sith Master gives the Acolyte some terrible training task, that’s contrasted with the Jedi Master helping her padawan learn the same skills in a far safer and kinder environment.  Every time the Sith Master lectures the Acolyte on how terrible the Jedi are, it cuts to the Jedi behaving in the exact opposite manner.  There can also be internal contrast, too - the Sith Master claiming the Dark Side of the Force sets you free, and then giving the Acolyte zero freedom whatsoever.  Emphasize the cultish nature of the Sith.

Finally the Acolyte starts going on missions - her first experience out in the real world.  Everything is different than she was lead to believe.  She starts realizing there’s more to the world than cruelty.  

At some point the missions she’s on start intersecting with the Jedi’s mission - maybe they’re both after the same MacGuffin.  She’s not supposed to let the Jedi know the Sith still exist, while they have protecting civilians as their top priority, so it’s a bit of a stalemate.

Eventually the Acolyte decides to break away from the Sith altogether.  Maybe there’s some precipitating betrayal where the Sith Master decides she’s failed too often and he wants a new apprentice, or maybe there’s an echo of Finn and she just refuses to fight for evil anymore.  

Either way, she does come to the realization at some point that the Sith are pure evil, and furthermore, she wants more than to no longer be evil - she wants to be actively good.

She goes off on her own, and we get a humorous episode or two as she realizes she has no idea how to function in the greater galaxy.  Maybe the Jedi padawan even helps her out a little (here, or maybe even earlier), not knowing she’s been working against them.  But it soon gets serious again, as the Sith Master starts sending assassins and bounty hunters - maybe even a replacement apprentice - against her.  

She’s held onto her red lightsaber and at some point figures out how to purify it to white.

At some point she realizes she should tell the Jedi what’s going on, but then it’s too late.  (There is nothing about the Jedi not believing the Sith are back; they just never have the chance to find out.)  As the climax of the show, the Jedi are desperately trying to reach the MacGuffin, but the Sith Master’s other minions are about to kill them.  So she heroically sacrifices her life to stop them and save the Jedi.

The Jedi succeed, and then realize this random girl they don’t know saved their lives.  They have no idea she’s a former Sith, but they honor her for her sacrifice.  

The new Sith apprentice (he probably just barely survived whatever the former Acolyte did), returns to the Sith Master and overthrows him (or maybe just gets promoted since Vader got to be called Darth even as an apprentice), taking the name Darth Plagueis.  (I’d love it to be Darth Sidious, but I think the show’s intended to be set a little too early for that.)  Perhaps there’s even a moment where one or the other acknowledges that direct confrontation won’t work, but political takeover will.

So the show ends with one Sith plot defeated, but the Sith still there, lurking in the shadows, preparing to strike.  

[wisegirlandseaweedbrainforever]

I think people need to understand that why it's okay for Luke's Jedi order to get married is (forgive me my catholic mutuals for this analogy I'm probably getting some subtlties wrong) it is basically the aquivelant of the entire catholic church, while pre order 66 was the aquivilent of a monestary or nunery. Palpatine and the Empire didn't just get rid of one order of the religion of the force, though that was their goal, they destroyed the whole thing alone the way so that all that remained of it was a vague memory of the Jedi Knights, so what Luke is doing is re-establishing a whole religion while using the name of a single order because that is all the galaxy (including himself) remembers. His not instituting certain laws of a single order is not an insult to the entire religion! Given time smaller orders will emerge again, after their religion has been restored to public conscience and personal identity.

[thelibrarian1895]

Padme

Moving to a Star Wars kick for a bit, may jump to another interest at some point but for now...

It's probably been mentioned by someone else and in a much more eloquent fashion but Sheev Palpatine aka Super Skeevy Sheevy aka the person you should NOT listen to about basically anything was around Padme Naberrie Amidala for a very large portion of her life. After she managed to divert Skeevy Sheevy's original plan thanks to her willingness to ask for help from the Gungans and treat them as equal people, I wonder if perhaps Skeevy Sheevy started to invite her to outings in a similar fashion to how he invited Anakin. He had already established himself as her political mentor so he would have had a much easier time of this, especially as he was chancellor and someone would have to be senator and Padme, no matter what her people said, couldn't be queen forever. I wonder if perhaps during those meetings that may have happened, there was perhaps some additional...force in his conversations with her.

I say this because when Padme was senator, she made some extremely stupid choices, choices that aren't really in line with her professed ideals and past actions as Queen Amidala. And I wonder if perhaps Skeevy Sheevy managed to whisper enough poison into her ear that it ate away at her sense of duty and her general intelligence for her to make those choices.

Or maybe it was the trauma of the whole Naboo invasion thing and she really should have gone to regular therapy sessions but for some reason decided against that course of action.

Or maybe both.

In either case, Queen Amidala, glorious, true icon, Senator Amidala however? Would not get my vote for chancellor, honestly would not really trust her as my senator. She talks a good talk but sometimes trips when she tries to walk the walk. If she did manage all she achieved while having to deal with Sith mind manipulation though, makes her that much more admirable even if, again, some of her decisions weren't really the wisest.