#anti sith

[jedi-enthusiast]

The funniest thing about Star Wars is that the fandom looked at the peaceful warrior monks whose whole thing is being selfless and practicing emotional self-control, and decided that they were an abusive death cult...while simultaneously looking at the actual abusive death cult and going- "oh yeah, these guys Allow Love™️ and are 100% found family" -even though being abusive towards and murdering your loved ones and your fellow Sith is literally the main requirement for being one alongside being a shit person and committing atrocities

Palpatine murdered his entire family, abused literally every apprentice he had, and then committed multiple genocides and dragged the galaxy into a dark age of fear and pain

Maul murdered a ton of people, literally took every chance he could to ruin Obi-Wan's life and kill those close to him, abused Savage while "training" him, and kidnapped and manipulated a child to try and take him on as an apprentice while also trying to murder his family

Dooku helped orchestrate the plot that eventually got his padawan killed, attempted to kill his padawan's padawan, cut off the arm of his padawan's padawan's padawan, tried to enslave the galaxy and murder his family- (the Order) -and abused both Ventress and Savage while they were under his tutelage

Ventress abused Savage and forced him to murder his brother, took part in trying to enslave the galaxy, killed tons of innocents, and then tried to murder her former master in his sleep

Anakin's path to the Dark Side is literally marked by him doing worse things and more of them especially to those close to him, his Fall culminates in him murdering- (or attempting to murder) -his wife and unborn children as well as him trying to kill his brother/father figure and committing two genocides at once, he plunges the galaxy into a dark age, then continues to commit atrocities, also tries to kill his padawan a lot, tortured his daughter, and cut off his son's hand

...

So tell me again how these people are the- "uwu found family" -trope and are So Great because They Allow Love, because...idk, I'm not seeing it

[awesomecitys-blog]

When people call the Jedi Order baby stealers, I always wonder if they watched the episode series where Palpatine, the big bad Sith Lord, has Cad Bane break into the Jedi Temple to steal a holocron that contains a record of recently born Force-sensitive children and then use it to go kidnap those kids. And he successfully kidnaps two of them before the Jedi catch up at the third planet, where the mom is surprised that the Jedi, Cad in disguise, is back so soon for her child, as she was told that it would be some months to a year before the Jedi came to get her kid. Which shoots the whole baby stealing argument in the foot. The actual baby stealer is told that the people he is impersonating weren’t coming back as early as he was, and it’s only because Cad is exceptionally skilled at his job that he is able to convince the mom to give up her child. It can also be reasonably assumed that the Jedi act the same way in regards to every parent who has a Force-sensitive child, which make the only baby stealers in the galaxy the Sith, the bad guys, and anyone they employ to help them, who would also be bad guys.

[roseaesynstylae]

Some Notes for Star Wars Writers

The dark side is not freedom, it’s not pleasure, it’s not happiness. It’s a hell and a slavery you get so deeply enmeshed in that you don’t even see the torment or the chains.

The balance of the Force is not the dark side and the light side being equal, it’s the balance between the Living Force and the Cosmic Force.

The Jedi do not need to be reformed or changed. While individual members can be flawed, the goals and beliefs of the whole are good and right.

Historically, the Mandalorians were assholes who were responsible for multiple genocides. This is important to remember when writing their interactions with the Jedi.

The Jedi did not attack first at Galidraan, nor did they intentionally set out to kill the True Mandalorians. They were manipulated by the governor and Tor Vizla. Jango didn’t exactly try to calm things down, either.

THE JEDI ARE NOT BABY-STEALERS.

ATTACHMENT IS NOT LOVE.

[jedi-enthusiasm-blog]

Fandom: I think the Sith are better than the Jedi.

Canon/Logical Brain: Because of the sexy evil aesthetic, right?

Fandom:

Canon/Logical Brain: Because of the sexy evil aesthetic, right?

[sonic-fairyspell]

I find it a bit concerning how so many people think that Anakin "balanced" Force by killing a majority of the Jedi.... ... cause like that so called "balance" meant plunging the Galaxy into Darkness, there's not a lot of Good in the galaxy at that point, a fascist tyrannical dictatorship rose into power, and was run by two of the worst people ever.... and the defeat of said dictatorship and the two horrible people was seen as a very good thing.

So....

[thelibrarian1895]

Mandalorians hate Jedi because...

"the Jedi are child stealers" NO

And again I say NO. I saw someone claim this and it absolutely infuriated me.

First point, THE JEDI ARE NOT CHILD STEALERS. That accusation is sithspit anti jedi propaganda. If a parent or guardian told the Jedi no, they didn't want their kid to be a Jedi, the Jedi respected that. They would, however, remove children from danger. But would you call a social worker who took children from environments where they were being molested, starved, beaten, or worse, a child stealer? No? Then don't call the Jedi child stealers for the same actions.

Second point, the average Mandalorian didn't really know or care too much about Jedi. In all honestly, most Mandalorians, like the rest of the galaxy, had no real idea about the difference between Jedi or other force sects like the nightsisters or general darksiders or even the sith except perhaps the color of their lightsabers. Some Mandalorians, like our beloved Din Djarin, knew nothing at all about Jedi and only cared when in became relevant and then did as much research as possible regarding the Jedi. Others, like Jango Fett, had very personal interactions with Jedi and formed their opinions of the Jedi as a whole based on those interactions with no further reason or desire to look further into the Jedi.

Third point, for Mandalorians who studied history or listened to old stories, they knew why the Mandalorians disliked the Jedi and it was for a very simple reason that they liked to avoid actively admitting. That reason? The Jedi kicked the shebs of the Mandalorian armies.

Twice.

Quite possibly there was another point when the Jedi suppressed the Mandalorian empire but there were two times for certain. Granted, the republic played a large part and the Jedi definitely didn't all interfere in one of those two conflicts, and actually actively avoided one of those two conflicts except in a few cases, and there were definitely some terrible things done, but the fact remains that when the Mandalorian empire attempted to expand and basically take over the galaxy, the Jedi were key to stopping this. And no, the Mandalorian empire was not a good thing. But more importantly, if you thought your ancestors or your cultures' armies were in the right and they were beaten, would you like the descendants of those who beat your side?

Fourth point, would you like the side that beat your side if they refused to give you a proper rematch? The Mandalorians who know anything about Jedi know that Jedi have access to all this power, plus generally have a super cool plasma sword, but the Jedi won't fight or they'll de-escalate or generally indulge in pacifistic behavior and we all know how Mandalorians feel about presumed pacifists, right? A Mandalorian denied a fight is often a frustrated Mandalorian. A Mandalorian who sees someone who has all this strength and power often doesn't understand why that person doesn't use that power, doesn't take revenge or slaughter their enemies or a million other things that they would do with such power. So those that don't understand choose to dislike. Why won't the Jedi fight them?! (please imagine the sentence immediately previous spoken in an extremely whiney tone of voice)

Fifth point, the Mandalorians frequently throughout history worked with the Sith or were on the Sith side of conflicts because of a lack of knowledge about force sects meant the Mandalorians didn't generally realize how absolutely stupid it is to side with the Sith but beyond that the Mandalorians often learned about the Jedi from the Sith. So the Mandalorians got stories from the Sith about the Jedi being weak and cold and blah, blah, blah stupid sith propaganda that I don't want to perpetuate. And those Mandalorians would then think themselves Jedi experts, because hadn't they learned about the Jedi from another Jedi? Granted, a dark Jedi but still a Jedi, right? So they'd tell other Mandalorians the propaganda and so the Mandalorians had that Sith skewed idea of the Jedi perpetuated throughout their history.

So the Mandalorians have their own reasons for not like the Jedi, which have NOTHING to do with child stealing, just as the Jedi have plenty of reasons to want to avoid the Mandalorians. Personally though I'm going to blame a lot of those reasons on both sides on the Sith and be grumpy about the Sith and the effectiveness of their propaganda.

And finally, I'm pretty sure at least a tiny bit of the animosity between Mandalorians and Jedi arose from the Mandalorians being jealous that the Jedi had lightsabers and they didn't. To be fair, I'm a little jealous too. Lightsabers are cool.

[gritsandbrits]

"Most of the jedi were just white people"

Okay fair SW does focus a lot on its white human jedi, it IS a Hollywood movie after all. but in the context of the prequels Anakin Padme and Obi-Wan are meant to be parallels to Han Luke and Leia. You also forget Mace Windu, Ahsoka, Finn (yes i count him a jedi) and Ezra exist. Like Ezra was THE main character of his show. And even if the main human jedi are white they were still threatened by the Empire who are explicitly Human Supremacist and based on the Nazi Party. Then you have to consider save for Leia, Luke was a farmboy, not exactly high class if you ask me.

[short-wooloo]

The sith are not an oppressed culture forced underground by the Jedi

They're a deranged cult devoted to creating tyranny which they rule, murdering anyone they deem an enemy, and selfishly indulging in their wants no matter what it costs everyone else

Them being in hiding was their choice, they're a conspiracy, a shadow hiding within the society they are deliberately trying to destroy/warp into their image

[xryin]

Trauma or pain did not make the jedi more human or relatable they actively chose to be kind

I don't know how people miss this and still stir shit to create a more Grey area

Especially since considering the empire ran by two sith did more damage to the galaxy than the jedi did by participating in a war that the sith engineered

You can't just say the jedi didn't do anything to stem the flow of slavery

When the sith literally had slaves build ANYTHING for them

You see this in games novels books about them

Hell bioware's mmo literally has you as a slave

Just because you killed your way to the top and freed a few characters does not make you better than the jedi

You are still serving an empire that still employs slaves

[nescio7]

Way too many people are comfortable playing ball for Palpatine/the Galactic empire. Like, everything the galactic empire did well the Republic did better, most of the Republic’s problems were actively exacerbated by Palpatine, and those problems got worse during the Imperial era.

Palpatine’s first act as emperor (which actually predated him officially becoming the emperor, but at that point he’s it in all but name) is to kill an entire group of people who viewed their loyalty to the Republic as one of their most important values. How is that anything other than a disgusting power play?

[andychaosblog]

If anyone ask, I'm Pro-Jedi to my core.

[andreacollector925]

Saying this with honesty, and absolute objectivity, the Pro Jedi Community here has been one of, if not THE most welcoming Communities I've ever become apart of on the Internet.

I've already met quite a few awesome people who share my avid dispising of Anti Jedi nonsense, Dave Filoni, and just being mildly annoyed with Sith Simps.

And to be apart of such a loving, united community again just feels.... great.

Great to finally find a community where toxicity isn't rampant (Like Pokémons), isn't infested with Pedophiles, (like the brony community), or both (Like the Slideshow Commentary Community) isn't widespread.

Genuinely, from the bottom of my heart, I love you all. And I hope our community continues to flourish for generations to come.

-Andrea (Jedi Padawan)

[jedi-enthusiast]

Question what is the most mentally exhausting thing you can think of being sith?

For me it’d be the constant betrayals tbh

Honestly? Same.

It has got to be so fucking exhausting.

You can never get close to anyone outside of your little Darksider inner circle because the moment you do you'll either be A. Ordered by your master to kill them, since a lot of Sith "training" involves killing, especially killing those you love or B. your little Darksider inner circle will use them against you/kill them.

But also---you can't get close to any of your fellow Sith/Darksiders either! Why? Because they're all gonna fucking betray you eventually and you'll only make yourself more vulnerable to that if you get close to them!

So all those sweet, family oriented Darksider Master/Padawan dynamics that you see people make up in fandom? Nope! Can't happen! Literally the only way for a Sith to become a master is to kill their master, to betray them---that's the rule! It is literally a rule the Sith have that eventually your Padawan has to betray you in order to become a Master.

How fucked is that?

So yeah, the betrayals would be the most tiring thing for me, and tbh I don't buy into the "Darksider found family" bullshit that I've seen some people come up with in fandom.

You want found family? Look to the Jedi! They have a beautiful culture, they care for each other and those around them, and it's not apart of their training to literally betray/kill everyone they've ever gotten close to.

[kittenfangirl20]

I am going to have to say this, but even if I am critical of some of the practices of the Jedi Order, I am not anti Jedi or believe that they deserved their fate. In fact I am critical of the practices of Jedi Order because I truly believe that they can do better. I don’t make posts being critical of the Sith Lords because I don’t have to point out how evil they are and how much their practices corrupt a person, the movies and other forms of media make it pretty damn obvious. I also am not fond of Pro Jedi people who act as if only Anakin was responsible for his fall or even if Anakin never fell everything would be just fine, the Republic and the Jedi Order was still doomed, it is just in this instance Anakin would still have Padmé by his side with their children and he would have played a very big role in the Rebel Alliance and Padmé would have been a co leader with Mon Mothma and Bail Organa.

[jedi-enthusiasm-blog]

On one side, Star Wars has an Order of space Magic monks whose main mission is fighting for peace and justice in the galaxy. On the other, it has what is basically space nazis.

The anti-Jedi pro-Sith crowd baffles and scares me in equal messure.

[acewizardinspace]

The last two episodes of Star Wars Visions Volume 2 ("The Pit" and "Aau's Song") have some great parallels. I have no idea if this was on purpose or a coincidence, but it is very telling how differently the sith and the jedi handle the same issue.

In both episodes people were mining for kyber crystals, but in one the people were slaves in awful conditions who face oppressive acts of violence, and in another they are respected workers who are completely free and when in danger are protected from injury.

It is a comparison that is impossible to ignore when the episodes are right next to each other and forcibly reminds the viewer that yes, the sith are fucking evil and the jedi are nothing like them.