#anti sith

[jedi-enthusiast]

The funniest thing about Star Wars is that the fandom looked at the peaceful warrior monks whose whole thing is being selfless and practicing emotional self-control, and decided that they were an abusive death cult...while simultaneously looking at the actual abusive death cult and going- "oh yeah, these guys Allow Love™️ and are 100% found family" -even though being abusive towards and murdering your loved ones and your fellow Sith is literally the main requirement for being one alongside being a shit person and committing atrocities

Palpatine murdered his entire family, abused literally every apprentice he had, and then committed multiple genocides and dragged the galaxy into a dark age of fear and pain

Maul murdered a ton of people, literally took every chance he could to ruin Obi-Wan's life and kill those close to him, abused Savage while "training" him, and kidnapped and manipulated a child to try and take him on as an apprentice while also trying to murder his family

Dooku helped orchestrate the plot that eventually got his padawan killed, attempted to kill his padawan's padawan, cut off the arm of his padawan's padawan's padawan, tried to enslave the galaxy and murder his family- (the Order) -and abused both Ventress and Savage while they were under his tutelage

Ventress abused Savage and forced him to murder his brother, took part in trying to enslave the galaxy, killed tons of innocents, and then tried to murder her former master in his sleep

Anakin's path to the Dark Side is literally marked by him doing worse things and more of them especially to those close to him, his Fall culminates in him murdering- (or attempting to murder) -his wife and unborn children as well as him trying to kill his brother/father figure and committing two genocides at once, he plunges the galaxy into a dark age, then continues to commit atrocities, also tries to kill his padawan a lot, tortured his daughter, and cut off his son's hand

...

So tell me again how these people are the- "uwu found family" -trope and are So Great because They Allow Love, because...idk, I'm not seeing it

[roseaesynstylae]

Some Notes for Star Wars Writers

The dark side is not freedom, it’s not pleasure, it’s not happiness. It’s a hell and a slavery you get so deeply enmeshed in that you don’t even see the torment or the chains.

The balance of the Force is not the dark side and the light side being equal, it’s the balance between the Living Force and the Cosmic Force.

The Jedi do not need to be reformed or changed. While individual members can be flawed, the goals and beliefs of the whole are good and right.

Historically, the Mandalorians were assholes who were responsible for multiple genocides. This is important to remember when writing their interactions with the Jedi.

The Jedi did not attack first at Galidraan, nor did they intentionally set out to kill the True Mandalorians. They were manipulated by the governor and Tor Vizla. Jango didn’t exactly try to calm things down, either.

THE JEDI ARE NOT BABY-STEALERS.

ATTACHMENT IS NOT LOVE.

[sonic-fairyspell]

I find it a bit concerning how so many people think that Anakin "balanced" Force by killing a majority of the Jedi.... ... cause like that so called "balance" meant plunging the Galaxy into Darkness, there's not a lot of Good in the galaxy at that point, a fascist tyrannical dictatorship rose into power, and was run by two of the worst people ever.... and the defeat of said dictatorship and the two horrible people was seen as a very good thing.

So....

[jedi-enthusiasm-blog]

On one side, Star Wars has an Order of space Magic monks whose main mission is fighting for peace and justice in the galaxy. On the other, it has what is basically space nazis.

The anti-Jedi pro-Sith crowd baffles and scares me in equal messure.

[awesomecitys-blog]

When people call the Jedi Order baby stealers, I always wonder if they watched the episode series where Palpatine, the big bad Sith Lord, has Cad Bane break into the Jedi Temple to steal a holocron that contains a record of recently born Force-sensitive children and then use it to go kidnap those kids. And he successfully kidnaps two of them before the Jedi catch up at the third planet, where the mom is surprised that the Jedi, Cad in disguise, is back so soon for her child, as she was told that it would be some months to a year before the Jedi came to get her kid. Which shoots the whole baby stealing argument in the foot. The actual baby stealer is told that the people he is impersonating weren’t coming back as early as he was, and it’s only because Cad is exceptionally skilled at his job that he is able to convince the mom to give up her child. It can also be reasonably assumed that the Jedi act the same way in regards to every parent who has a Force-sensitive child, which make the only baby stealers in the galaxy the Sith, the bad guys, and anyone they employ to help them, who would also be bad guys.

[thelibrarian1895]

Mandalorians hate Jedi because...

"the Jedi are child stealers" NO

And again I say NO. I saw someone claim this and it absolutely infuriated me.

First point, THE JEDI ARE NOT CHILD STEALERS. That accusation is sithspit anti jedi propaganda. If a parent or guardian told the Jedi no, they didn't want their kid to be a Jedi, the Jedi respected that. They would, however, remove children from danger. But would you call a social worker who took children from environments where they were being molested, starved, beaten, or worse, a child stealer? No? Then don't call the Jedi child stealers for the same actions.

Second point, the average Mandalorian didn't really know or care too much about Jedi. In all honestly, most Mandalorians, like the rest of the galaxy, had no real idea about the difference between Jedi or other force sects like the nightsisters or general darksiders or even the sith except perhaps the color of their lightsabers. Some Mandalorians, like our beloved Din Djarin, knew nothing at all about Jedi and only cared when in became relevant and then did as much research as possible regarding the Jedi. Others, like Jango Fett, had very personal interactions with Jedi and formed their opinions of the Jedi as a whole based on those interactions with no further reason or desire to look further into the Jedi.

Third point, for Mandalorians who studied history or listened to old stories, they knew why the Mandalorians disliked the Jedi and it was for a very simple reason that they liked to avoid actively admitting. That reason? The Jedi kicked the shebs of the Mandalorian armies.

Twice.

Quite possibly there was another point when the Jedi suppressed the Mandalorian empire but there were two times for certain. Granted, the republic played a large part and the Jedi definitely didn't all interfere in one of those two conflicts, and actually actively avoided one of those two conflicts except in a few cases, and there were definitely some terrible things done, but the fact remains that when the Mandalorian empire attempted to expand and basically take over the galaxy, the Jedi were key to stopping this. And no, the Mandalorian empire was not a good thing. But more importantly, if you thought your ancestors or your cultures' armies were in the right and they were beaten, would you like the descendants of those who beat your side?

Fourth point, would you like the side that beat your side if they refused to give you a proper rematch? The Mandalorians who know anything about Jedi know that Jedi have access to all this power, plus generally have a super cool plasma sword, but the Jedi won't fight or they'll de-escalate or generally indulge in pacifistic behavior and we all know how Mandalorians feel about presumed pacifists, right? A Mandalorian denied a fight is often a frustrated Mandalorian. A Mandalorian who sees someone who has all this strength and power often doesn't understand why that person doesn't use that power, doesn't take revenge or slaughter their enemies or a million other things that they would do with such power. So those that don't understand choose to dislike. Why won't the Jedi fight them?! (please imagine the sentence immediately previous spoken in an extremely whiney tone of voice)

Fifth point, the Mandalorians frequently throughout history worked with the Sith or were on the Sith side of conflicts because of a lack of knowledge about force sects meant the Mandalorians didn't generally realize how absolutely stupid it is to side with the Sith but beyond that the Mandalorians often learned about the Jedi from the Sith. So the Mandalorians got stories from the Sith about the Jedi being weak and cold and blah, blah, blah stupid sith propaganda that I don't want to perpetuate. And those Mandalorians would then think themselves Jedi experts, because hadn't they learned about the Jedi from another Jedi? Granted, a dark Jedi but still a Jedi, right? So they'd tell other Mandalorians the propaganda and so the Mandalorians had that Sith skewed idea of the Jedi perpetuated throughout their history.

So the Mandalorians have their own reasons for not like the Jedi, which have NOTHING to do with child stealing, just as the Jedi have plenty of reasons to want to avoid the Mandalorians. Personally though I'm going to blame a lot of those reasons on both sides on the Sith and be grumpy about the Sith and the effectiveness of their propaganda.

And finally, I'm pretty sure at least a tiny bit of the animosity between Mandalorians and Jedi arose from the Mandalorians being jealous that the Jedi had lightsabers and they didn't. To be fair, I'm a little jealous too. Lightsabers are cool.

[xryin]

Trauma or pain did not make the jedi more human or relatable they actively chose to be kind

I don't know how people miss this and still stir shit to create a more Grey area

Especially since considering the empire ran by two sith did more damage to the galaxy than the jedi did by participating in a war that the sith engineered

You can't just say the jedi didn't do anything to stem the flow of slavery

When the sith literally had slaves build ANYTHING for them

You see this in games novels books about them

Hell bioware's mmo literally has you as a slave

Just because you killed your way to the top and freed a few characters does not make you better than the jedi

You are still serving an empire that still employs slaves

[short-wooloo]

The sith are not an oppressed culture forced underground by the Jedi

They're a deranged cult devoted to creating tyranny which they rule, murdering anyone they deem an enemy, and selfishly indulging in their wants no matter what it costs everyone else

Them being in hiding was their choice, they're a conspiracy, a shadow hiding within the society they are deliberately trying to destroy/warp into their image

[andreacollector925]

Saying this with honesty, and absolute objectivity, the Pro Jedi Community here has been one of, if not THE most welcoming Communities I've ever become apart of on the Internet.

I've already met quite a few awesome people who share my avid dispising of Anti Jedi nonsense, Dave Filoni, and just being mildly annoyed with Sith Simps.

And to be apart of such a loving, united community again just feels.... great.

Great to finally find a community where toxicity isn't rampant (Like Pokémons), isn't infested with Pedophiles, (like the brony community), or both (Like the Slideshow Commentary Community) isn't widespread.

Genuinely, from the bottom of my heart, I love you all. And I hope our community continues to flourish for generations to come.

-Andrea (Jedi Padawan)

[kittenfangirl20]

I am going to have to say this, but even if I am critical of some of the practices of the Jedi Order, I am not anti Jedi or believe that they deserved their fate. In fact I am critical of the practices of Jedi Order because I truly believe that they can do better. I don’t make posts being critical of the Sith Lords because I don’t have to point out how evil they are and how much their practices corrupt a person, the movies and other forms of media make it pretty damn obvious. I also am not fond of Pro Jedi people who act as if only Anakin was responsible for his fall or even if Anakin never fell everything would be just fine, the Republic and the Jedi Order was still doomed, it is just in this instance Anakin would still have Padmé by his side with their children and he would have played a very big role in the Rebel Alliance and Padmé would have been a co leader with Mon Mothma and Bail Organa.

[acewizardinspace]

The last two episodes of Star Wars Visions Volume 2 ("The Pit" and "Aau's Song") have some great parallels. I have no idea if this was on purpose or a coincidence, but it is very telling how differently the sith and the jedi handle the same issue.

In both episodes people were mining for kyber crystals, but in one the people were slaves in awful conditions who face oppressive acts of violence, and in another they are respected workers who are completely free and when in danger are protected from injury.

It is a comparison that is impossible to ignore when the episodes are right next to each other and forcibly reminds the viewer that yes, the sith are fucking evil and the jedi are nothing like them.

[jedi-enthusiast]

Question what is the most mentally exhausting thing you can think of being sith?

For me it’d be the constant betrayals tbh

Honestly? Same.

It has got to be so fucking exhausting.

You can never get close to anyone outside of your little Darksider inner circle because the moment you do you'll either be A. Ordered by your master to kill them, since a lot of Sith "training" involves killing, especially killing those you love or B. your little Darksider inner circle will use them against you/kill them.

But also---you can't get close to any of your fellow Sith/Darksiders either! Why? Because they're all gonna fucking betray you eventually and you'll only make yourself more vulnerable to that if you get close to them!

So all those sweet, family oriented Darksider Master/Padawan dynamics that you see people make up in fandom? Nope! Can't happen! Literally the only way for a Sith to become a master is to kill their master, to betray them---that's the rule! It is literally a rule the Sith have that eventually your Padawan has to betray you in order to become a Master.

How fucked is that?

So yeah, the betrayals would be the most tiring thing for me, and tbh I don't buy into the "Darksider found family" bullshit that I've seen some people come up with in fandom.

You want found family? Look to the Jedi! They have a beautiful culture, they care for each other and those around them, and it's not apart of their training to literally betray/kill everyone they've ever gotten close to.

[passionesolja]

Jedi Stans is more clinically insane than sith Stan’s. I love the sith. I would boot lick every Sith Lord in existence and be their footstool but when a Jedi stan says “they’re evil I’m happy the Jedi smoke em” I’m like “shiii I mean the sith do live by the sword and die by it. Rip. They died how they live, and went out like real ones” it’s like, “yeah I know. Who even cares” why? everybody who likes the Sith knows the Sith is evil but we don’t care because it’s fictional

but when you even say “yeah I don’t fw the Jedi like they’re pious and when they beefed with Sidious they had a 1vs 10k with him and still lost. The Jedi played the game and lost. Not crying for em” they act like you attacking a real marginalized group and start making slander on your real life beliefs and political views—all because in the context of a fictional series, you prefer the villain organization over the hero.

I have never seen anybody use a real world religion as a shield for their space wizards but Jedi Stan’s do it. Like calm down. Sith Stans don’t have to use Buddhism as a shield for anything bc we literally know they’re evil and flawed but we don’t care bc it’s fake. When the sith get wiped out, and Jedi Stan’s have their fun, I don’t call them “pro genocide” bc it’s fake chill out. I’m not besties with the Sith Order idgaf if they live or die. No emotional impact on me bc they fake

But when I say “damn 10k jedi couldn’t even beat one 63 year old man that’s hilarious. Damn rip Sidious dumbass got thrown in the deathstar pit lmao” I get called an facist and pro genocide

I say all that to say that the practice of using real marginalized groups, and religions as a shield to defend the Jedi is disrespectful and needs to end. A lot of y’all are way too emotionally attached to the Jedi order so maybe take a page out of their teachings and lighten up. Y’all is attached to this Order for no reason like Yoda and nem ain’t give you a penny but y’all acting like these is real people who play a role in your life

[dragonladyzarz]

Acolyte Ideas

So I’ve been hearing some worrying things about the new Acolyte TV show, and how the people leading it view the Jedi.  I’ve been worried about having a show from the perspective of the Sith ever since it was announced, and this seems to bear out that concern.  Ideally, one would approach such a show with as much caution and consideration as one would a show written from the point of view of the Nazi high command (considering the real-life inspiration of the Empire), but it seems unlikely that will be the case.

Still, I think a pro-Jedi, Sith-POV show would be possible, so if Lucasfilm ever decided to hire me, here are my initial thoughts on how I’d do it:

I assume Acolyte is intended to be the Sith term for apprentice, so have the main character be the apprentice to the current Sith Master.

Start with showing how the Acolyte came under Sith control - maybe their (her?) parents were planning to give her to the Jedi, but the Sith snuck in first and pretended to be the Jedi, a la Cad Bane.  Maybe the parents had refused to give her to the Jedi, but the Sith later stole her, or maybe she simply was never tested so the Jedi didn’t know about her at all.  Regardless, no “Jedi steal babies” implications.

Then, an episode or so of her training.  Emphasize how brutal it is, how the Sith Master doesn’t support her or let her rest or even get medical treatment, just puts her into impossible situations and tells her to figure it out.  Also emphasis Sith brainwashing and how she has no other perspectives to compare with.

At some point here, start contrasting more with the Jedi.  The B plot is a Jedi Master and padawan off on some mission, so (to make the show’s intentions abundantly clear), whenever the Sith Master gives the Acolyte some terrible training task, that’s contrasted with the Jedi Master helping her padawan learn the same skills in a far safer and kinder environment.  Every time the Sith Master lectures the Acolyte on how terrible the Jedi are, it cuts to the Jedi behaving in the exact opposite manner.  There can also be internal contrast, too - the Sith Master claiming the Dark Side of the Force sets you free, and then giving the Acolyte zero freedom whatsoever.  Emphasize the cultish nature of the Sith.

Finally the Acolyte starts going on missions - her first experience out in the real world.  Everything is different than she was lead to believe.  She starts realizing there’s more to the world than cruelty.  

At some point the missions she’s on start intersecting with the Jedi’s mission - maybe they’re both after the same MacGuffin.  She’s not supposed to let the Jedi know the Sith still exist, while they have protecting civilians as their top priority, so it’s a bit of a stalemate.

Eventually the Acolyte decides to break away from the Sith altogether.  Maybe there’s some precipitating betrayal where the Sith Master decides she’s failed too often and he wants a new apprentice, or maybe there’s an echo of Finn and she just refuses to fight for evil anymore.  

Either way, she does come to the realization at some point that the Sith are pure evil, and furthermore, she wants more than to no longer be evil - she wants to be actively good.

She goes off on her own, and we get a humorous episode or two as she realizes she has no idea how to function in the greater galaxy.  Maybe the Jedi padawan even helps her out a little (here, or maybe even earlier), not knowing she’s been working against them.  But it soon gets serious again, as the Sith Master starts sending assassins and bounty hunters - maybe even a replacement apprentice - against her.  

She’s held onto her red lightsaber and at some point figures out how to purify it to white.

At some point she realizes she should tell the Jedi what’s going on, but then it’s too late.  (There is nothing about the Jedi not believing the Sith are back; they just never have the chance to find out.)  As the climax of the show, the Jedi are desperately trying to reach the MacGuffin, but the Sith Master’s other minions are about to kill them.  So she heroically sacrifices her life to stop them and save the Jedi.

The Jedi succeed, and then realize this random girl they don’t know saved their lives.  They have no idea she’s a former Sith, but they honor her for her sacrifice.  

The new Sith apprentice (he probably just barely survived whatever the former Acolyte did), returns to the Sith Master and overthrows him (or maybe just gets promoted since Vader got to be called Darth even as an apprentice), taking the name Darth Plagueis.  (I’d love it to be Darth Sidious, but I think the show’s intended to be set a little too early for that.)  Perhaps there’s even a moment where one or the other acknowledges that direct confrontation won’t work, but political takeover will.

So the show ends with one Sith plot defeated, but the Sith still there, lurking in the shadows, preparing to strike.  

[jedi-enthusiasm-blog]

Jedi antis stop projecting your religious trauma into the Jedi challenge.

The Sith are right there if you want to project your religious trauma into Star Wars.

[wisegirlandseaweedbrainforever]

I think people need to understand that why it's okay for Luke's Jedi order to get married is (forgive me my catholic mutuals for this analogy I'm probably getting some subtlties wrong) it is basically the aquivelant of the entire catholic church, while pre order 66 was the aquivilent of a monestary or nunery. Palpatine and the Empire didn't just get rid of one order of the religion of the force, though that was their goal, they destroyed the whole thing alone the way so that all that remained of it was a vague memory of the Jedi Knights, so what Luke is doing is re-establishing a whole religion while using the name of a single order because that is all the galaxy (including himself) remembers. His not instituting certain laws of a single order is not an insult to the entire religion! Given time smaller orders will emerge again, after their religion has been restored to public conscience and personal identity.