#pro jedi culture

[starbeltconstellation]

Helloooo, to all SW fans! 👋

Sooo, I have decided to make this like a… monthly? 🤔🤔 Reblog, to search for other like minded pro Jedi individuals like myself in the SW fandom, so I can find more of my little fandom corner.

So! 😁 I humbly ask those that are Pro Jedi, and do NOT blame them for their own genocide (🤦‍♀️🤢🥶) to reblog or like this post, so I can follow more SW fandom blogs.

I also would follow fans who are Anakin critical/anti Anakin. Although I’m more of a pro Jedi fan who still has sympathy and SO much love for Anakin’s character (🥲💔❤️), while still realizing the fault lies with himself, I also enjoy reading a lot of critical analysis on his character too.

But any Anakin fans who love him to death like me and aren’t afraid to hear criticism are welcome to like this post too! ❤️

The same goes with pro Jedi/pro clone blogs. The Jedi are my ultimate favorite blorbos, but the clones are also so very dear to me, and I love to read headcanons about them. 💕

Hopefully this isn’t a weird post. Lol. 😅🫣😂 I just thought this was a good way to expand outward into more fandom territory.

Thanks! 😜💕❤️✨

[mysticaltora8276]

Attachment isn’t love. It’s an unhealthy obsession. Think of it as like an addiction. It wrecks the lives of others and leads to spiritual ruin. Love is not selfish. Love is kind. Love is compassionate. Love is selfless. Love is what the Jedi preach. Get the facts straight.

[antianakin]

"The Jedi repress their emotions!"

Actually, that's Anakin!

"The Jedi have unhealthy relationships with people!"

Actually, that's Anakin!

"The Jedi are too embroiled in politics to truly be able to help people!"

Anakin is literally in the pocket of the Chancellor and continuously insists that they have to abide by the law while multiple other Jedi, particularly Council members, generally try to avoid that whenever possible in order to better help people on the mission.

"The Jedi aren't involved in politics enough to truly be able to help people!"

Despite living in the Chancellor's pocket, Anakin literally has no idea how the political system works as evidenced by his criticism of it in AOTC and TCW "Heroes on Both Sides." By contrast, we see that Ahsoka has clearly gotten an education in politics and has been taught that it's important to be involved in politics in order to try to keep corruption from happening, an education good enough that she's literally capable of teaching other kids her own age about it. It's also the Jedi who we see actively recognizing that Palpatine is corrupt and choosing the do something about it, unlike Anakin who just keeps making excuses for Palpatine.

"The Jedi didn't fight enough for the clones!"

The Jedi are the ONLY ones we EVER see fighting for the clones in ANY WAY. We see Jedi criticize EACH OTHER for negative treatment of the clones, we see Jedi fight back against the Kaminoans to save the clones, and we see Jedi literally dying to protect the clones. Yoda himself makes the argument to trust the clones after they discover that the clones are probably a Sith trap for the Jedi. There is NO ONE ELSE who ever fights for the clones at all, but the Jedi are seen to do so MULTIPLE TIMES. And I will note that aside from fighting on the battlefield with them, none of these examples include Anakin, who is frequently seen to EXPLOIT his own men, particularly Rex, for his own selfish agendas.

"The Jedi steal babies!"

This has been debunked over and over again by people with more resources than me, but guess who actually DOES steal children? If you guessed Anakin, YOU'D BE RIGHT! And according to the multiple people who gave me examples last time I asked (thank you to all of you who did so), he specifically steals a baby FROM A FORMER JEDI. He also literally helps torture captured Jedi children into becoming Jedi hunters and keeps the body of a Jedi child as a trophy.

[jedimasterbailey]

SPOILERS IF YOU HAVE NOT WATCHED THE THIRD EPISODE OF AHSOKA

PRO JEDI RANT DOWN BELOW

This Loth Cat is a good representation of me not losing my mind on how badly the Jedi Order is being completely defiled by Feloni. Okay…so apparently according to Feloni anybody can just be a Jedi if they try really, really hard and believe in them because the Force resides in everyone when we all know that that’s not fucking true according to Lucas. Yes, the Force resides in all things HOWEVER it is the Force sensitive (I.e. the Jedi and Sith) that are able to wield the Force because they’ve got the blood to do so (midocholorians… I’m sure I’ve butchered the spelling forgive me). So with that being said, does anything in Star Wars even matter anymore? Like honestly.

By this logic…anybody in the OT could have just destroyed the Sith if they tRiEd HaRd EnOuGh. So I guess fuck the importance of Luke Skywalker and all the other survivors of Order 66? And I suppose by this logic none of the prequel Jedi or hell even Anakin doesn’t matter because anybody can just wield a lightsaber and tap into the Force if tHeY jUsT bElIeVeD iN tHeMsElVeS? Why does Rey matter when apparently anyone could have taken down the First Order and destroyed Palpatine when some fucking Mando could have just done the job of being Force sensitive doesn’t matter?

Like believe me guys, I am TRYING so hard not to be a hater but it truly makes me sad to see the one element of Star Wars I love so much (I.e. the Jedi Order and everything they do and stand for) just get picked apart and trashed over and over and over again. I just don’t understand it and I know I can’t be the only one feeling like this.

Also Ahsoka’s character right now is reminding me of Luke’s in TLJ where I feel like I’m seeing and hearing a completely different character and it’s heartbreaking when you’ve looked up and loved these heroes so much. Like for Gods sake can we settle the score in where Ahsoka stands with the Jedi? Is she or is she not? Because right now she’s doing a poor representation of all her mentors who have lost their lives staying true to themselves, Jedi who gave everything to protect and save lives. Now she seems to just go out of her way to scoff at the Order that raised her, similar to Luke dismissing the very thing that gave him hope in the OT.

As these new shows go on, it just makes the fall of the Jedi Order all the more tragic just seeing how their sacrifice and good will meant absolutely nothing. That’s why characters like Cal Kestis and Cere Junda are incredible. They stayed true to their Jedi values no matter what because that’s what the galaxy needs, heroes who care. Not heroes who have personal agendas.

[devilangel657]

Realizing my happy au for Jedi and how they have been done dirty post OT:

Luke Skywalker and his journey to find Jedi remnants

Him going on a journey and finding Jedi like Cal

Finding Huyang and his knowledge of lightsabers ever made with stories attached

Gathering people together to make a new Jedi community and teaching force sensitives the way of the force

Hanging out with rebels crew and finding Ezra - he gets a surprise!

Ahsoka letting go of the past and relearning how to be a Jedi again

Those that were saved on the path found, including Jedi helping it like quinlan vos

Inquisitors that remain and got away finally getting their family and peace again

Reva being in the light with her Jedi family again since that night

Any hidden staches that Jocasta nu and other Jedi hid being found

Grogu reaching out like canon and being found

Tarre's lightsaber not being destroyed but returned to the Jedi and put to rest

Finding and guarding Ilum (not used as star killer base in sequels)

Nothing bad happens to this Jedi community at all

[starbeltconstellation]

I feel like this sums up a lot of my thoughts as well about the entire situation with the people’s view on the Jedi and their culture. 👏👏👏

Prosset Dibs accusing Mace of corrupting Jedi teachings when he himself goes on to become an Inquisitor is so interesting.

What really strikes me is the ending of the comic, where he says:

“You will do with me what you will. That is what is to be expected of tyrants. Do not insult me with false deliberations. Are you not soldiers now? Is my punishment not to be death?” 

And then Mace answers that no, Prosset is actually a victim of the war, and that being angry and confused is normal and that they can’t fault him for that. 

And he assigns him archive duties. Archive duties, when Prosset was raving about them being tyrants and smugly awaiting the death sentence. And he says:

“Do not make me some example of your false benevolence. Kill me. Prove to me you are what I know you to be.” 

And there it is. The “from my point of view, the Jedi are evil” mindset that all the fallen Jedi share. Mace just demonstrated that Prosset’s assumptions about the Council were false, but Prosset adamantly refuses to see it. He just knows the Jedi are about to kill him. He just knows they don’t care. 

In accusing the Order of being blind, it’s interesting how the fallen become blind themselves because they’re set in their point of view. They’re dealing in absolutes. They see any situation through the lenses of their newfound belief that the Order is evil, and are intent on not departing from that point of view under any circumstances.

Prosset sees being shown compassion as false benevolence. Because obviously Mace is corrupted, so he can’t be truthful in that moment, so his empathy has to be a lie.

“Prove to me what I know you to be.” 

Instead of relying on proof to formulate a belief, his belief comes first and proof has to align with it. That’s the mindset of the Fallen. You know the other is wrong and evil, and so you’ll see every action that they take as a confirmation of that. And if the action is objectively good, then it’s them being hypocritical, or extending false benevolence. 

Dooku, Anakin, Barriss and Prosset all profess something of that effect, and they’re all fallen, or about to. Dooku is the one heading filthy rich and corrupt corporations, manipulating the whole galaxy and treating slaughters like trivial issues. Prosset becomes an Inquisitor - the enforcer of a tyrant, what he accused the Jedi of being even in the face of contrary evidence. Anakin becomes Vader. Barriss knowingly kills innocents on several separate occasions, when she accused the Jedi of warmongering. They all become the thing they swore to destroy.

[starbeltconstellation]

Ahh, and THERE it is… 🙃🙃

I have kept my opinions mostly to myself about The Acolyte, because I wasn’t planning on watching it until seeing where it went with the Jedi. Almost everything in SW media has an element of Jedi criticism (sadly 🙄), so I knew that would be a given with this show, so I was holding off on any total judgment until the end.

One thing I KNEW I would despise and would make me not ever watch it is if they actually made canon that the Jedi brutally murdered an entire coven of witches and COVERED UP A MASSACRE (wtf on that part, because they would NOT cover it up, even if they’d made a mistake). Apparently, it is not as bad as I feared, and they don’t destroy the Jedi Order’s characterization entirely.

But THIS line. 🥶🤢

With THIS line that is apparently written in the newest episode—that’s it. You’ve lost me.

Because THIS line is just straight up genocide apologia.

Ohhh, of course they don’t come outright and SAY, “Loool, those space wizards deserved what they got! 🤪🤪✊”, but the implication is pretty clear, all the same.

From the very beginning, I knew the showrunner of The Acolyte didn’t like the Jedi or their culture, and said that her show “wouldn’t be kind to them.”

And I could’ve lived with just the stupid vagueness of portraying the Jedi as a pompous bureaucracy (because it’s just an infectious opinion that’s spread through most of the fandom), without FULLY condemning The Acolyte and declaring the show a terrible portrayal of the Jedi and their morality and culture, along with the CANON aspects of the Dark Side being a cancer in The Force that does nothing but make people miserable and cause imbalance in The Force.

But with THIS LINE that is SO clearly a wink and a nudge to the SW fans who believe the Jedi ‘deserved what they got’… 🙄🤢… I’m sorry, but they’ve officially lost me. 😬🤷‍♀️

There are things that I’d probably like, if I ever can make myself stomach getting through the show: seeing how different cultures view The Force, seeing more of the Jedi Order/culture/Temple/how they teach their students, the characters Sol and Jecki and Yord and Osha—even seeing Jedi fighting style being so different and more defensive while trying to not use their lightsaber unless necessary, since they are in a time of peace.

But for the most part?

With THIS frankly DISGUSTING line, I can say with absolute certainty that The Acolyte is a show that I would never enjoy, and that is frankly not a welcome addition to the SW universe to me.

I appreciate the diversity inclusion, and I find myself relating to that meme that says something like: “When you hate a show, but then realize the other people that hate it are mostly bigots, 🙃🙃” because—unlike THOSE moronic dudebros—my criticism is for the story itself.

It’s a genuine shame. It’s such an interesting premise, getting to see the Jedi in the High Republic Era. But with this… I now know that The Acolyte is a show not worth my—or ANY OTHER pro Jedi fan’s time. 💔😔🤷‍♀️😬

Only thing I’ll say in defense of it: Mr. Sith (?) IS hot. 🔥❤️‍🔥

And that’s the only other praise I can give. 🤷‍♀️

Loool, sorry for the rant. I’m just so pissed off. 😭🤷‍♀️😂

[mysticaltora8276]

Regulation of emotions isn’t repressive. It’s a necessary for growth as a person both spiritually, emotionally and mentally. For example you learn to regulate yourself so you can behave in a socially appropriate manner. That’s not repression. So when people say the Jedi are repressive I am a bit confused.

In the terms of romantic relationships it just means they don’t indulge in them. Their focus is the their relationship with the Force just as a priest in say the Roman Catholic rite does in their faith. That’s not repression it’s abstaining for it.

[antianakin]

Hi, I'm not sure if you are watching the Ahsoka show but I'm currently watching it and notice that with this "the jedi were corrupt and lost their way" thing people say has been re awaken, and I would love to hear what you think about that. Personaly, I don't think the jedi were in the wrong.

I did watch the Ahsoka show, much to the detriment of my own mental health. I will NOT be watching any second season of it or the "Heir to the Empire" film or whatever that's coming down the pipeline and I am seriously considering abandoning the entire Mandoverse at this point as a result of my feelings about this show. The single exception I might make to that is if TBOBF gets a second season because I do want to support Temuera Morrison and Ming-Na Wen even if the material they get continues to suck.

As for Filoni's completely blatant anti-Jedi bullshit, it's stupid. People will believe what they want to believe and a lot of other blogs have given some really well-written and thought out explanations as to WHY the Jedi weren't "corrupt" at all and didn't "lose their way" that will probably be better than anything I can come up with right now. I've done a few of my own at different points, too, I think. So I'll try to do a brief summary of my thoughts on the matter.

The basic gist is that the narrative of the Prequels was not ever that the Jedi were corrupt and that's why everything else happened. They are not the cause of basically ANYTHING in the story, they do not move the plot at almost any point. They're constantly reacting to things and then having shit happen to them. The Jedi do not parallel Anakin's own fall (nor do they cause it), the REPUBLIC does. Anakin's fall is paralleled by the fall of the Republic and the Senate. It's the SENATE that Palpatine is also corrupting, it's the SENATE that's being run by fear and arrogance, it's the SENATE that keeps making the active choice to allow Palpatine to win things (THEY'RE the ones who vote him in, THEY'RE the ones who vote to go to war, THEY'RE the ones who keep giving him executive powers, and THEY'RE the ones who allow the Empire to come to power and cheer in the end) while the Jedi are CONSTANTLY trying to stop the Sith and ultimately stop Palpatine.

The Jedi are there to represent the health of the galaxy. The more Jedi there are, the better it's doing. If we ignore all of the supplemental stuff, there are 10,000 Jedi or so in TPM. Then one dies and it's the beginning of the end. Almost 200 die in AOTC and a galactic civil war begins. And then all but TWO are killed in ROTS and the Empire rises. Then Luke shows up with the barest of Jedi training and the Rebellion gets their first major win with the destruction of the Death Star. And when Luke fully comes into his own as a Jedi and declares it, the Rebellion beats the Empire and Palpatine dies.

That's literally it. The Jedi are a symbol for the health of the galaxy. They fall because Anakin and the galaxy around them lose their way and turn on the Jedi.

But outside of a few notable exceptions (like the Obi-Wan Kenobi show), everything written since the Prequels came out has started to hit on this particular theme. The Jedi weren't necessarily EVIL, but they WERE weak. They failed. They were arrogant. They were blind. They were out of touch and old-fashioned. This pops up in TCW (in particular season 7, but there's hints of it in earlier seasons too), Rebels, the Cal Kestis video games, Tales of the Jedi, and of course now the Ahsoka show and very very likely the upcoming Acolyte show. It's pervasive as shit and it's annoying and it's WRONG.

So it's not exactly SHOCKING that Felony wrote that theme into a show about Ahsoka. If there was any show we could GUARANTEE was going to have that sentiment expressed, it would've been this one. But it's also part of a much larger pattern that goes beyond Felony, too. And this is why it feels SO SO HARD to hope that at some point we might actually get a Jedi positive piece of media in Star Wars again. GENUINELY Jedi positive, not just lifting up a few special characters while dismissing the entire Order or having what few Jedi characters we've got left actively choosing to abandon some of the things that are intrinsic to what it means to be a Jedi.

The Jedi were never wrong. The Jedi were ALWAYS ALWAYS RIGHT. That's the whole point. The Jedi were right, and they were killed for it. But audiences didn't want to hear it any more than the people of the galaxy far far away did, so now we just keep getting stories about how the Jedi were wrong even though it goes against everything Lucas intended his story to be about.

[mysticaltora8276]

* points at all the Jedi haters* do some freaking research before you started accusing the Jedi of being something that they’re not. Thank you current canon for fixing up the crap that legends put on the Jedi order.

I'm continuing to love this Mace Windu book for how it portrays the Jedi lifestyle (and also, it's just a fun and engaging read):

The continued emphasis on the Jedi “discipline” as not a stuffy, fun-hating rule, but something the culture chooses and enjoys and finds soothing, a common form of self-care for psychic empaths, hooked mentally into the overwhelming all-powerful energy source at the heart of existence. It makes sense, I love it.

Once again, a Jedi going off on a mission of personal importance rather than Official Jedi Business and the Council is totally fine with it, Yoda even encourages Mace to go and gives him a pep talk to stay at it when he's feeling discouraged on said personal trip

 YES I KNEW JEDI PRACTICED THEIR FORMS ALONE UNARMED/WITH THEIR LIGHTSABERS OFF I KNEW IT - really, Mace's relationship to Vaapad is depicted right out of my lightsaber form loving dreams. It's SO personal. It's such a big part of his life.

Oddly touched by Mace thinking about how much sleep he gets (usually six hours) and then getting cranky and disoriented when he’s having insomnia/bad dreams and it gets knocked down to three-ish. Y'all know I have a weakness for Jedi running up against their normal living being physical limits despite being fancy space wizards.

[jedi-enthusiast]

Jedi culture is a padawan smacking one of their friends, poking them, playing a prank on them, etc. and then, when they try to retaliate, running away shouting- "REVENGE IS NOT THE JEDI WAY!!!"

[jedi-clone-appreciation]

Jedi Archive Series: The Room of a Thousand Fountains, 3rd Zhellday, 3629 ATC. [2 of ?]

Closeups under cut!

[starbeltconstellation]

I’m fr at my limit. 😭🤷‍♀️😬

This is why the Pro Jedi SW fix-it fic I’m writing is my free therapy. 😂

any version of “the jedi got what was coming to them” completely invalidates all of your opinions on them to me. btw ❤️

[kanansdume]

I've seen a lot of Jedi characters with tattoos, and some Jedi who specifically got the Jedi Order symbol tattooed, but where are the Jedi with Jedi ART tattoos?

Jedi with tattoos that are replications of their favorite statue in the Temple.

Jedi with tattoos that represent the beautiful architecture of the Temple.

We know that the Jedi seem to like those sort-of circular patterns seen in Mortis and stuff like that, so Jedi with those circular patterns in their tattoos.

I don't believe that there isn't just art in general inside the Temple, painted murals and portraits and the like, so plenty of Jedi should have tattoos of their favorite piece of art.

And also probably things like manuscripts with ancient Jedi art embossed and painted on the pages, so Jedi who work in the Archives more and specialize in research could get replications of ancient Jedi art from a page in their favorite manuscript.

I want the Jedi to be able to show their love and pride for their culture's art on their bodies.

[astheforcewillsit]

Contrary to popular belief I do think the Jedi would make great therapist and would have a great grasp of mental health. Their meditation is actually scientifically backed, their "let it go into the Force" is great for processing heavy emotions that might impact people's judgement.

Their connection with the Force makes them highly perceptive to people's emotions, to the point where if you truly are suffering they are aware.

I'm not saying they would all make good therapist (a good chunk of them would though), but I think they have a good framework for caring for their mental health and the mental health of others, and it's quite literally built into their belief system.

It's not even "don't think about these emotions that make life hard for you", it's more of "acknowledge them, honor them, and let them go so that they do not destroy you" and that's not a terrible thing actually.

and if you want proof that it worked, just look at how badly it ended for everyone when Anakin did not follow the Jedi teachings. Like it went badly.

[roseaesynstylae]

Some Notes for Star Wars Writers

The dark side is not freedom, it’s not pleasure, it’s not happiness. It’s a hell and a slavery you get so deeply enmeshed in that you don’t even see the torment or the chains.

The balance of the Force is not the dark side and the light side being equal, it’s the balance between the Living Force and the Cosmic Force.

The Jedi do not need to be reformed or changed. While individual members can be flawed, the goals and beliefs of the whole are good and right.

Historically, the Mandalorians were assholes who were responsible for multiple genocides. This is important to remember when writing their interactions with the Jedi.

The Jedi did not attack first at Galidraan, nor did they intentionally set out to kill the True Mandalorians. They were manipulated by the governor and Tor Vizla. Jango didn’t exactly try to calm things down, either.

THE JEDI ARE NOT BABY-STEALERS.

ATTACHMENT IS NOT LOVE.