#anti non traumagenic

[moos3-th3-goos3]

[songs-by-the-river]

I really hate seeing others say how they want DID or think it's so cool when they're a singlet cuz why???? Why would you want this??? I genuinely can't comprehend why someone would purposely try to create a system either because this sucks

And don't get me wrong I absolutely love my head mates, I adore Saturn, Astrid and 404 are fucking cool as shit and I love everyone else, even the hurt ones, even our persecutors, but I would give literally anything if it meant I could have my own body away from them, I wish I could be physically detached from Saturn so I could give him actual hugs and kisses, I wish i could go get my own little job maybe at a library or smth simple and quiet, i wish I could look like myself instead of this body.

I just don't understand why anyone would want this

[jabberwock-islanders]

To Our Fellow Anti Endos

You are safe here. You are loved, respected, and cared for here. We know how terrifying it is to be a traumagenic system on the internet and get flooded with misinformation and harassment. Our spaces will not be taken from us. Our resources will not be taken from us. Our safety will not be taken from us.

Our blog is a safe space for all of you. No matter what disorder(s) you have, no matter what type of trauma you have, no matter how big or small your system is or how many/few introjects you have. You are safe here. We love you, and we appreciate that you're still here despite everything.

Any (pro) endos that interact with this or any of our posts will be blocked. We don't want you here.

~ Kore

[gremmything]

I'd like to offer a bit of unwarranted advice to my fellow(because apparently tlt I am now part of this lol) syscourse posters.

Avoid using "plural" tags. I know it's technically a system term, but the word plural is not one of the medical terms used to describe the multiplicity that a system experiences, it is only a synonym and because of that it is most often used and looked for by endos.

Instead, continue using the term "system", as it has always been a medical term used to refer to multiplicity.

I believe doing so may help, if only slightly, with the demedicalization of systemhood, because it forces endos seeking out actual systems to use & see the proper terminology, as well as helps avoid the ones who are too far gone to even acknowledge that.

[tons-of-moths-in-a-box]

Introduction post —

★ system name : the moths nest

★ collective name(s) : moth or bug

★ collective pronouns : he/it/they/xe

★ collective terms : masc , neu & non human

★ alter terms : pupmates , headmates , alters or parts

★ system terms : system or plural

Before you Interact —

★ we have about 500+ pupmates

★ we are a C-DID / polyfragmented system

★ we are pretty sure we have NPD and AvPD with BPD & ASPD traits

★ we may need tone tags sometimes

★ we take criticism as an attack, so if you're going to criticise us please try be as kind as possible because it's hard for us to tell the difference between criticism and insults

Do not interact —

★ endos or pro endos

★ trans-ID or pro trans-ID

★ narc-abuse believers (or any other disordered abuse)

★ those who believe in "doubles"

★ anti recovery IRLs / DAs (we experience delusions and you are not helping)

★ you don't believe in trasnandrophobia

★ basic DNI

[sscarred-starss]

guys should I (✝️) make my own blog ?

[tons-of-moths-in-a-box]

Ah yes, spite the ableists.. by being ableist?

Ah, yes, say fuck you to “ableists” by *checks notes* claiming to have a disorder you don’t have.

I have seen horrors crawling through this wiki, guys.

-B0ffy

[traumagenic-positivity]

i love you systems who call your alters "parts"

i love you systems who call your alters "alters"

i love you systems who call your alters "headmates"

i love you systems who call your alters "voices"

i love you systems who call your alters swears

i love you systems who call your alters things that are silly, weird, or normal

dont let anyone tell you what to call them <3

[thecreepycrawlersss]

made some angry little user boxes >:)

feel free to use !! credit not necessary but appreciated

-malachite he/it/shi/lyr/they

[quoth-the-raven-wtf]

The best thing we can do as "traumagenic" systems (quotation marks because I hate origin terms altogether—they shouldn't even exist), is block and ignore endos. We all know that endos are close-minded and unwilling to properly educate themselves, because they already identify as "endogenic—" which simply isn't possible to be. Ten minutes of research on actually reliable sources is all it takes to disprove their validity.

While yes, spewing educational facts at endos might feel relieving, it isn't going to do anything. They're not worth putting in the time and effort for—because if they won't educate themselves with reliable and scientifically proven information, what makes you think they're going to listen to some random stranger on the internet? Interacting with endos first, no matter how you approach it, is not going to actually benefit anyone. They aren't going to learn, and we aren't doing ourselves any favors by "attacking" endogenic spaces in the way some of us still happen to be doing.

"But they're invading actual system spaces!"

Then push them out. Blocking them in the masses, and additionally blocking endo/pro-endo tags from your feed, is the best way to shove them away from actual system spaces. How are pro-endos going to interact with genuine, disordered system spaces if they can't see our content, and we can't see theirs?

"But they're spreading harmful misinformation!"

Yes they are. They're spreading misinformation that's harmful—mainly to impressionable minds. That being said, it still isn't our responsibility to attempt to educate random endos and endo supporters, because again: if they refuse to do any genuine research of their own, why would they listen to some random person on the internet?

Arguing doesn't work. It hasn't worked. And yes, those with impressionable minds can easily pick up the belief that endos are real—but it's quite genuinely their own fault for not putting those ten—even just two minutes of time into actual research for the truth. We cannot force facts onto people who refuse to take them.

With all of this aside, the existence of endogenics is almost entirely a problem exclusively known by other systems. Before you were aware you were a system, did you even know endos were a thing? Or better yet—before even interacting with system spaces, were you aware of endos?

Endos may be spreading misinformation, but it really doesn't branch out much further than the system community.

Block pro-endo accounts, and block pro-endo tags. If you interact with endos first and attempt to prove their beliefs to be incorrect, it's just going to create more malice in the end—and if you block their accounts, they can't interact with you.

Edit [12.12.2024]:

The number of endo and pro-endo comments I have had to delete from this post speaks volumes.

At least my blocked list is longer now.

[system-advice]

How to make alters comfortable enough to reveal themsleves

I know systems find it hard to have communication with uncontacted or newly revealed alters, so here are some ways to find out about them

(this also helps to tell if an alter is real or if your brain is just playing around)

01﹒don't force an identity on them.

some alters might find it harder to express themselves if other alters fill out their personal information for them, they may prefer to do it themselves

(ex. don't write or say their full name - just use a letter, don't write their pronouns, don't note down their orientation or gender)

02﹒don't neglect their emotions.

focus on what makes them an individual or what they're comfortable with rather than thier identity

(ex. noting their likes and dislikes)

03﹒give them templates or examples.

they may want to communicate with others but may be confused, not know where to start, or are too anxious to do it without any help

basic things such as introduction templates or giving them a place to write down their thoughts can help them learn who they are and how they fit into the system

04﹒keep them seperated if needed.

alters may blend together when fronting so barring suspected new alters from fronting with old ones can help distinguish them

this can also help systems with higher amnesia barriers to stop alters from accidentally hiding other alters

[moos3-th3-goos3]

What if I just started going by a different name and pronouns and had different likes and ideas and memories and opinions and presented differently and acted differently... but like I'm still me though... no I'm not a system at all...

[jabberwock-islanders]

can we talk about how ridiculous it is that so many endogenic terms are just... describing traumagenic systems? there are multiple endogenic terms that mean "system formed from [blank] type of traumatic experience" and it makes me laugh every time.

you do know that means you're a traumagenic system, right? even if you had such a "traumatic" experience from a medical professional saying you're wrong about having a certain disorder, that'd still be a traumagenic system if it wasn't completely nonsensical and, frankly, quite offensive to systems that went through repeated childhood trauma to end up with the disorder they have.

this is why the system community wants nothing to do with you people. half of you are trying to de-medicalize DID, and the rest are tossing around the same unreliable sources (which have been debunked before by people who actually know what they're talking about). if the endogenic community can't even agree on what their argument is, how are the real systems you're mocking and harassing supposed to put any faith in what you're saying? you can't even keep up a consistent story. why should we give you any of our time listening to your pathetic excuses?

[gremmything]

Syscourse posters:

User Hauntaku2 is going around harassing anti-endo posters, calling them ableist, nazis, telling them harm should come to them, etc. It's in our best interest to just block them and continue spreading awareness, similarly to how we've already done with a few accounts in the past.

Do NOT engage with this user. Myself and my system do not condone harrassment. Block and move on.

Edit: they have a second account under Hauntaku without the 2

[tons-of-moths-in-a-box]

Honestly FUCK endos. I hate them, I'm tired of the being nice shit. I don't want to be nice to those assholes. I don't want to give them the benefit of the doubt and I'm so SO tired of people being so friendly with them. Everytime I see a "pro-endo" or "endo-safe" post it makes me rage, everytime I see an endo themselves it makes me so unbelievably angry. I cannot fathom how these people can take our disorder and just have all the "fun" parts of it while completely ignoring the actual scientific and medical reasons for the disorder actually existing as well as over half the other symptoms. Fuck sake, we can hardly tolerate endo-neutrals, like we understand why you'd be neutral, but it also makes us so upset that you could even tolerate them. Fucksake.

(this goes for all "non-traumagenics", I don't care what you call yourself, I hate you.)

-toby / bee boy - anger holder - hx/h<3m

[dandelion-system]

*is a system*

*decides to watch a show with decidedly mentally unwell characters*

*stressful situation begins*

*does not stop watching the show*

*relates a bit too hard*

*starts copying the mannerisms and speech patterns unconsciously*

“Oh. Oh no”