#tw traumascum

[strawberry-rainbow-pride]

just curious as to your reasoning to why 'alters' is endogenicphobic? im just a bit confused

because alters is used by a lot of tra*magenic systems

-mochi

[anti-endo-help]

hey!! uhm.. how do I say this. what the fuck is wrong with you??

seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you.

all this implies is that anti-endos are a cult, which is actively.. insane to think?? also, the conversion camp thing is just.. i'm speechless??

implying that trauma survivors, many of which have religious or cult trauma, are a cult is fucking deranged and a rather dog shit take.

go fuck yourself, you ableist piece of shit.

[ID: STOP! this blog is a strictly anti-endo space! pro-endos and endo neutrals, shoo! shoo shoo!]

[tempesttz]

why do you think this is defendable

why do you think someone directly stating that they hope people go through social ostracization is defendable. why are you defending this right now.

just for the sake of it, some other fun things sophie has said

using the t slur!

they couldnt get a waybackmachine, but there's a pretty good amount of proof to suspect this is not fabricated.

also she admits it here

admitting she identifies as cis

supporting transids, specifically transabled, though i would comment this is a while ago. source

her talking about those fucked up paranoia inducing posts she made that i made the weird mistake of being basically supportive of, when i really should not have been! (this is me admitting that was a mistake. that behavior was not okay)

source

more of her talking about it, stating she explicitly wishes to harm people!

preying on their deepest fears and insecurities... this is normal behavior! source

also, you're a hypocrite! you literally got on my case for calling a group of people fucking goblins over a deez nuts joke.

you don't support "trauma scum" but you'll defend sophie "preying on anti endos deepest fears and insecurities" in wonderland?

i'm not for the usage of the word traumascum simply due to the fact it doesn't get anywhere and it's kinda stupid and reductive. but what's not stupid and reductive is whatever the hell is going on with sophie. that's concerning behavior.

EDIT: fuck i shift entered my stupid fingers. i was going to add that i do believe that sophie comes from a place of good faith but she's an active harm to the community and clearly cannot take accountability for her actions or recognize that they cause more harm than good. i supported her in the past but that was a mistake. ok thank you

let’s also mention how sophie said she hoped anti endos split an alter of her so they can “suffer”

[pluraldeepdive]

Let's Fact Check: Was MPD renamed to DID for Harmful Reasons?

(Disclaimer: This post contains descriptions of ableism and disbelief in plurality. I do not condone any hatred towards any person mentioned on this post. If you see anyone attacking them, please report them for harassment! This post was made to spread awareness, not negativity.)

In this post, we will be investigating the claim that multiple personality disorder (MPD) was renamed to dissociative identity disorder (DID) for harmful reasons.

Origins of the claim

This claim most likely originated from a (now privatized) wordpress blog post made in 2019.

Click here for an archive of the blog post.

In this post, the author is discussing a blog post they found that's written by Allen J. Frances, the chairman of an outdated edition of the DSM. After reading his blog post, they came to the conclusion that Frances renamed MPD to DID out of malicious intent towards people with MPD because his blog post states that he does not believe in MPD.

This wordpress post was later linked on Twitter, where many users began repeating the claim. As it spread across Twitter and other social media platforms, the claim has adopted several variations. Some people claim that Frances attempted to get rid of MPD entirely, some claim that he renamed it as a scheme to erase all plurality, and some claim that “DID” is an ableist or offensive diagnosis because of all of this. It seems like most of the people spreading these claims do not have DID themselves, however.

Click here for a link to an imgur folder showing examples of this claim in online plural spaces.

The post by Frances

Now, let's look at the blog post that was cited as proof that MPD was renamed to DID for harmful reasons.

Click here to read his post (TW for fakeclaiming and ableism).

This post was written in 2014. In it, Frances is expressing how he doesn’t believe in what he calls MPD. He personally adheres to the debunked skeptical models which suggest DID is created through therapeutic suggestion or is a “fad”. He talks about how he wished he could remove MPD from the DSM-IV, but couldn’t do so. The next best thing, to him, was to allow controversial statements to be injected into the manual. These statements were removed in the current edition of the DSM.

Frances does not mention anything about the diagnosis's name change.

Addressing bias & concerning behavior

First of all, it’s important to look into the author of the wordpress blog to understand how reliable their word is. The author is a median system who I found out, from the blog, is @/multi_sapphire on Twitter. She also runs the blog @/acting-nt on Tumblr, which is a fact known by many in the online community.

At the time of making her blog post, she did not identify as having DID. She is openly anti-psychiatry, as well. While I don't want to make this a big focus, this system also has a history in the plural community of being very hateful towards the DID label. I have had to make a PSA about them before for posting hatred in the DID tags (source). They are the coiner of the term "traumascum" among other things (source). Many, many PSAs have been made about her by other systems about various concerning behavior (source).

Frances’ post can be easily triggering to anyone with DID, OSDD, or plurality. It’s understandable how a system, who was already unfavorable towards psychiatry, came to think that all of the changes made to DID in the DSM-IV were done out of malicious intent. Let's investigate that next.

Addressing how the DSM is made & who coins names

For anyone who doesn't know, "DSM" stands for the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. It is a handbook used by clinicians to diagnose mental disorders.

The DSM-IV is an outdated edition that is no longer in use. It was published in 1994 and was replaced by the DSM-5 in 2013. While Frances was the chairman of the DSM-IV, he was kicked off the taskforce and has nothing to do with the current DSM. Most of the changes he made were completely reversed in the current manual.

The DSM taskforce is run by many people. Diagnoses are divided across different work groups who receive input and data from researchers that specifically research and work with people with those disorders. Suggestions are proposed from the researchers to the work groups, who then analyze this, conduct field trials, and propose changes that should be made to the DSM (source).

While Frances oversaw the taskforce, he is not listed as a member of any work group or researcher in the DSM-IV. This means he did not come up with any of the proposed changes to the DSM-IV.

Why MPD was renamed to DID

All of the dissociative disorders were renamed at the same time! All of them, except for DPDR, were changed to have the word “dissociation” in them. Researchers explain that they proposed this change in order to make the dissociative nature of these disorders more understandable.

Psychogenic amnesia was renamed to dissociative amnesia.

Psychogenic fugue was renamed to dissociative fugue.

Multiple personality disorder was renamed to dissociative identity disorder.

Atypical dissociative disorder was renamed to dissociative disorder not otherwise specified.

When it comes to DID in particular, there are two main reasons for the shift from multiple personalities to dissociative identities. Hersen et al. states the one of these reasons is that the term 'personality' defines "the characteristic pattern of thoughts, feelings, moods, and behaviors" of the whole brain (source). This is what makes alters identities rather than personalities. According to this definition of personality, having multiple personalities would mean having multiple brains! The second reason is that the older term emphasized the alters over the dissociation (same source).

In my opinion, refocusing on the dissociation rather than the alters allows people with DID to have the full spectrum of their symptoms recognized, and helps distance plurality from disorders. Many plural systems don't view their systems as the problem. Many systems don't have DID, either. The shift in this diagnostic language has made it much easier for that distinction to be made! It's very unfortunate that false claims have been made about this, casting more stigma onto both DID and non-DID systems.

Summary

To summarize everything:

The claim that MPD was renamed to DID for harmful reasons most likely originated from a 2019 blog post.

The author of the blog post was reasonably concerned about a figure of authority being ableist. However, their own biases against the DID label likely influenced their claim that the DID label was created by said figure of authority.

In actuality, that guy did not come up with the name "DID." Researchers are the ones who did.

MPD was renamed to DID in order to make it more understandable and put an emphasis on dissociation.

All dissociative disorders were renamed along with DID to include the word "dissociation" in them.

[cddboxes]

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[antiendovents]

Idk if this has already been done here but if it has I’m gonna do it again to drive home the point.

TW: TRANSPHOBIA

I hate that pro/nontraumagenic’s keep comparing traumagens educating and spreading the correct information to transphobia.

For people who aren’t aware pro/nontraumagenics have made the terms SYSMED and TRAUMASCUM.

Let me break the first one down.

SYSMED

This is derived from sys medicalism (yes nontraumagenics are mad that we’re medicalising a disorder). But it’s been DIRECTLY taken from the term transmed (which is someone who medicalises being transgender e.g. you MUST have dysphoria to be trans)

Traumascum has been taken from Truscum which,, honestly just google that one I don’t have the spoons to fully explain it right now.

As a transgender system I honestly feel sick at how transphobic pro/nontraumagenics are.

If for some reason there’s a pro/nontraumagenic person reading this, if you use the terms sysmed and traumascum AND you claim you’re pro trans then I’m sorry to say you can’t really be pro trans if your main arguments on why nontraumagenics are “”real”” are transphobic.

Either get a proper education and learn that OSDDID is a DISORDER formed in CHILDHOOD through TRAUMA. Or remove pro trans rights from your bios.

I don’t care if that part will get me hate you cannot claim to be pro trans rights and spread blatantly transphobic rhetoric.

-R

yeah. They act as if believing in science is the same thing as being bigoted or transphobic. Like no— I'll say it again, for the endos that can't fucking listen. Gender is an identity, being a system is a disability. It's not something you can just decide to become, neither of them are. Endos are both ableist and transphobic, plus most of them (tuplas specifically) participate in cultural appropriation. The fact that people can support them really disgusts us as a whole.

[troonwolf]

I found your blog going through the anti-endo tag (idk I get bored sometimes) and im sorry all this is going on. I hesitate to call myself a cult survivor because what I dealt with never felt severe enough to call it that and the “cult” word makes me flinch at times, but I do agree that the endo stuff that I’ve seen is atrocious and lines up with what you describe. I’m primarily anti-endo due to the whole “sysmed” concept and the harmful aspects of endos, before I ever found out I was a system.

When I did discover our system and they felt more comfortable explaining system stuff like that, one of our alters had came to the fore explaining their reasons for disliking them, which although we avoided endo spaces like the plague (anyone who calls a trauma survivor names like “sysmed” or god forbid, “traumascum”, is automatically horrifically awful), what we did read from accounts about people who were in endo spaces is horrific.

I don’t have much else to say tbh, just that I hope you have better days and nights ahead of you, whatever that means for you.

Thank you for putting in the effort to share this with me, anon. Especially since I know I do not come across as the most approachable person in the world when I'm stuck on frustration mode and questioning existence because someone annoyed me lol.

Your alter has such good instincts for immediately catching the red flags like that. Funnily enough back when we first got involved in all this (literally like a decade ago) although the discourse did exist in a lesser form, it hadn't become so vitriolic that people were being called "traumascum" and "sysmed". That part is honestly pretty recent. Back when I was on the endo side, we just called people "antis", which is like the generic moniker people on the internet use in general when they have discourse.

"Anti" is pretty neutral when compared to "sysmed" or "traumascum". What people don't realise is this is a purposeful manipulation tactic, so that people will associate this argument with trans people and transmeds. This in itself is literally a cult tactic and the only reason people don't want to call it what it is, is because it makes them uncomfortable. Not because it's not applicable. They think what they're doing is for good and justified reasons, but it's still toxic.

And it's not one or two or a few endos using this term. It's almost all of them. They will fight tooth and nail for the "permission" (for lack of a better word, sorry lol) to call anti-endos, who are often trans themselves and often have negative experiences with transmeds, the "system equivalent of transmed". They don't care if it's triggering or if it comes across as transphobic or ableist, what matters is it has the impact they want it to have.

The community has actively gotten worse and more extreme tbh.

The rest under the cut because it involves some details on my own trauma and I don't want people to accidentally skim and get triggered. Tw doomsday cult experiences.

When we first got involved with the endo community, we were literally fresh out of a doomsday cult. We were in it because of our mother, and it was the sort of thing that started off small and innocent seeming in early childhood, but became more extreme and dangerous as years passed.

I'm not going to get into too much detail, but eventually we were in a scenario where the cult had relocated to an isolated area in the middle of the mountains. The conditions were very bad. The things that happened there were very bad. It had already been bad but this was like, "oh someone is gonna fucking die" bad. (Someone almost did die eventually, because of the refusal to take them to the hospital. It turned into the sort of thing where it's considered a miracle they're still alive. Their sickness had become almost terminal due to neglect.)

Anyway, when we finally were able to escape, we didn't leave because we stopped believing the world was gonna end. We 100% still believed the world was gonna end. We just decided we would rather go down from the mountain, re-enter civilisation, and die there with the rest of society instead of being stuck on that compound.

We didn't tell anyone this though. Honestly we struggled for years to understand what happened to us and name it what it is. At the time, our mindset was that we were just going to live life in visible normalcy, and not mention to anyone the world was ending. We did this again not because we didn't think it was true, but because we wanted to spare everyone the stress of Knowing like we did.

It was during this period of being escaped from the cult but still not having shed our programming, that we found the soulbonding community. We had already worked out we were a system, but not really the specifics. And our prior history of being in a cult where medicine and psychiatry was rejected, and replaced with spirituality, crazy natural remedies, etc, meant some of us were very hesitant about the idea of DID or any other disorder.

There's a certain alter in here who is the most programmed out of the rest of us, and it was him who immediately became attached to the notion of soulbonding. At first he didn't really care TOO much about it, but constantly having it drilled into him that "soulbonds" (and then "endogenics", when that term was coined) were "real people from other dimensions" and that "DID alters are just symptoms", appealed to the same fantasy-based programming that had already been coded into him. Us being naive, we didn't do anything to stop him at first. It was only when we'd finally begun to detangle our cult programming and trauma, that we were also able to detangle the terrible mindset that he'd been influenced to adopt.

And as I mentioned in my other post, it really did negatively impact him and the system in many ways. After seeing what he/we went through, there's no way anyone can convince me endogenic beliefs aren't inherently damaging and cultish. Any belief that rejects medicine and tries to replace it with some woo-woo shit that has no basis in known science or known reality, is damaging and cultish.

This is what I'm trying to explain to people, but no one is reading what I actually said lol. If you are raised in certain kinds of environments, even environments that aren't as extreme as the one I outlined, you can be prone to fantastical thinking and toxic spiritual programming, which is the same kind seen in endo spaces.

Meaning that, you may have DID, but like my alter here, you are unable to unpack that, and when you come across an ideology that feels more comforting than the truth, it's easy for prior programming to sway you towards that ideology. If you have already been programmed, you can be programmed again very easily if you're not aware of your own programming and how to overcome it.

People think me calling them a cult means I'm calling them all malicious abusers, when the only people acting like that's what a cult is, are the people vaguing and attacking me. I genuinely feel like all I've done is try to raise awareness on something obvious, for the benefit of survivors of spiritual abuse inside and outside the endo community, but because of a petty little word choice like "cult", no one will even read what I said to hear where I'm coming from.

People have also tried to use the existence of cult survivors in the endo community as a way to dismiss me, But That's Literally What I'm Saying! Of course there are cult survivors in the endo community! WE were a cult survivor in the endo community! Endo beliefs appeal very strongly to certain kinds of cult programming, that's literally what I'm trying to say my mans!

And no matter how well-meaning someone is or believes themselves to be, that programming is still unhealthy. They don't understand that, because of their programming, and that programming causes harm to others due to the spread of the ideology. That person is still a victim of programming, and their programming causes them to unwittingly create more victims. That's how cults WORK.

All this nuance can indeed exist at once, and everyone would know that's what I'm saying if they actually read my posts.

[ultrabright-flashlight]

‘Traumascum’

One of the most disgusting words I’ve ever had the displeasure of knowing. I don’t understand how endos think they aren’t ableist when they use it. Traumatized scum? Words can’t do justice to explain how cruel that is. You’re basically just saying you hate trauma survivors

[boxedforyourdemise]

If you use the term traumascum (or sysmed) unironically I genuinely hate you and you can kick rocks thanks and fuck off <3

[dissociativediscourse]

theyre doing it to try and draw parallels between tucute and truscum and this shit even though it isnt at all comparable. i dont think they understand nor do they want to, because then theyd have to understand just how fucked up it is to equate trauma to gender identity. demiboyflux with severe childhood trauma and unsure if im a system and too scared to go into it w/my therapist due to fear reasons that im not sure i can understand

Just want to preface this with a few words— Fear of talking to a therapist is entirely normal and it’s not always easy to understand why. And it takes a lot of time and work and acceptance (and stabilization) a lot of the time to get to the point where you’re able to talk about the things that have happened to you. And that’s okay. The parts of you that hold those traumas may not be willing to tell their stories yet, and they have to come forward at their own pace. Whether you take that metaphorically or literally is up to you, but the point stands.

But, wrt the whole “traumascum” thing? It’s in such horrible taste. And it doesn’t help that I’ve repeatedly seen endos deny that it’s used at all. Like they’re omnipresent in syscourse or something. Even if the comparison made any sort of actual sense, just… What the fuck.

Traumascum?

Please, say that word in front of any regular, actual humans in real life. Say that in a support group. Say it in therapy. Say it to your traumatized friends. Say it to whoever. Just use it in public.

You’ll be the one that looks like the scum, anyone would agree.

(Not at you, anon. Also, I’m currently substance-d and my train of thought went in, like, 7 directions. My bad.)

[thecirculararchive]

Are you fucking kidding me? You’re a disgusting sysmed traumascum and you deserve what you went through. Respect endos or kys you fucking asshole

[anti-endo-help]

☆ — friendly(/gen) reminder time ...

friendly reminder that the owner of this blog is bodily only 14 years old!! 😭 this reminder goes for pro-endos and anti-endos alike, because i feel like both sides have forgotten they're interacting with a very young minor. i have not even gone into high school yet, i am not fit to deal with: death threats, harassment, paranoia inducing asks or messages, diagnosing people, or helping you figure out your trauma/what kind of trauma you have. i am a child.

i will re-clarify that i do not mind things like venting, but please do not send any of the above into my inbox. p.s please keep asks about vents about specifically ramcoa trauma to a minimum... i apologize for the inconvenience, but i am a part of a ramcoa system, and we aren't good at helping or providing comfort when it comes to the topic. thank you all!! have a great day!!

[ID: STOP! this blog is a strictly anti-endo space! pro-endos and endo neutrals, shoo! shoo shoo!]

[fictiveheavy-systim]

whispers

endos using my face on their dnis that say sysmeds/traumascum makes me so uncomfortable. bestie i do NOT condone this message

[endokeeper]

I saw someone go after @cambriancrew and I just gotta say this —

TW: Suicide

If you’re telling endogenics to kill themselves you’re a piece a shit. No one deserves that. No one. I don’t care how much you disagree with someone or how much you don’t like them. If you tell endogenics, tulpas, soulbonders, quiogenics to kill themselves you are the fucking problem, not them. Seriously reevaluate yourself and stay away from syscourse if you’re going to get that pissed off over the internet. At the end of the day, Tumblr isn’t important... at all. At the end of the day we are all human beings and all deserve human fucking decency. I don’t care if you think they’re faking, I don’t care if you swear up and down that they’re wrong, I. Do. Not. Care. Do not tell people to kill themselves. Do not abuse other people for the sake of “making a point.” You are wrong. Stop it.

[antiendovents]

TW - I get really pissed and wish sui, sh on endos. sui + sh thought mention. lots of language. scroll quick if that triggers you, hopefully this doesn't trigger yall id feel horrible if it does.

tired of being called able ist by fucking ENDO SUPPORTERS.

im about to pop off so uh; cyberbullying??? I get v pissed v easily yay for trauma 😍😍 (in actuality I hate having trauma that was sarcasm)

i want all (pro) endos to fucking kill themselves idc anymore. hope they all relapse. besides that I want them to fuck off, scums of the earth. I'm tired of being called an able ist I'm literally disabled. tired. thx for triggering suicidal ideation lil shit (not you it's directed at someone mentioned in my last ask) I'll probably relapse too because im tired of yalls (pro endos) character attacks making my multiple disorders and the way they affect my thinking worse. I'm saying this all as someone who's been looped into endo bullshit before. I'm tired I'm tired trauma is kicking my ass. I'm tired of being bullied tired of being attacked tired of being used. tired of pro endos. tired of being considered a "traumascum". actually yk what? I'll reclaim traumascum. I am the scum of the earth and I embrace it. I am the worst person alive and I embrace it.

fuckin, like they'll never know what this disorder is like. they'll never know and I want to tear them apart. trauma made me angry, trauma made me bitter, trauma made me bad. the worst trauma you endos have is not being able to have a cookie. privileged shits.

gotta love bpd's black and white thinking. I want to stop but I can't.

sorry for getting pissed and wishing really bad things on endos I'm a really pissed persecutor. I'll tw it rq.

Camilla and Five

nod, I get it. It's really hard not to be angry, especially when it comes to endos and what they've done to this community. while we don't condone harassment and obviously don't genuinely also want them to kill themselves we can't help but get overly angry and start to think like this too sometimes (hence the amount of anger holders in this subsystem)

We really hope you're feeling better now and no worries, this is a place for venting, you can get pissed off and rant about it here, since that's what this is for ^_^

[gummybear-stims]

I want to clarify that I'm not anti-endo. 1) I'm a singlet so my opinion on syscourse doesn't matter anyway and 2) I don't know what's going on in anyone's head or body at any given time and I'm not going to deny someone's lived experience because it doesn't match up with the expectation for a disorder.