#to be clear: this is not an anti-buck post

[semperama]

Notably absent from the Bad Boyfriend Buck conversation is Natalia, who Buck got way too invested in too fast because he was dealing with the aftermath of his near death experience ("she sees me" after like one date), got freaked out because the woman he cheated on previous girlfriend with showed up on one of their dates, moved in his friend's wife who was pregnant with his baby while he was dating her, then delivered the baby on the couch in front of her, then dumped her for exactly the reason he was interested in her in the first place (her interest in death).

[buddieism]

tommy's character, bucktommy's inherent flaws, tommy & eddie as mirrors and buddie endgame; a (lengthy) meta analysis

honestly, what's really confirmed my feelings about tommy (and the imminent bucktommy bones -> buddie pipeline) is that there have now been multiple opportunities for the writers to actually make tommy a likeable/serious love interest for buck and they just…haven’t. because while fans are naturally going to overanalyse every little thing, the vast majority of the show's audience are regular viewers who consume the show at face value and don't think twice about it -- so if tommy was intended to be buck's endgame or anything remotely close to it, they'd absolutely want to make the most of his (very limited) screen time to present him in the best light they could. think about karen, the only non-main LI, and how she was introduced to us -- despite hen's cheating, we can see how dedicated karen and hen are to each other and how karen is a complex character in her own right who is immediately easy to root for and love.

comparatively, when we look at tommy's s7 appearances and specifically his interactions with buck, it becomes abundantly clear that there isn't really much depth to their relationship at all. which is fine! it's just... you know. fine. let's get into it.

following the cruise arc, we watch tommy through buck's eyes in 7x04 where he's basically wining and dining eddie -- flying him to vegas, getting them front row tickets to a fight, sparring with him in muay thai, playing pick up basketball with him -- tommy and eddie are so similar (which we'll come back to later), and we even get that line from eddie about how well they "click." as the audience, we are being subconsciously told to align tommy and eddie together -- and furthermore, we are told that tommy can easily make grand gestures when he wants to. now let's compare that to the bucktommy moments of the season.

bucktommy's first date: tommy makes a shady comment that would have outed buck if eddie or marisol caught onto it and then proceeds to abandon him on the sidewalk because he thinks buck isn't "ready" for a relationship with a man

i'll be objective here -- i understand in a show like 911 there's always going to be "unnecessary" relationship conflict for the sake of drama and i can also see how buck trying to play off their date as platonic to eddie might have put a bad taste in tommy's mouth. but we hear from tommy himself that he struggled with being open about his sexuality when he was at the 118 so he could have absolutely extended some sympathy towards buck for not wanting to come out on the spot to his best friend -- especially when tommy fully knows how important of a role eddie plays in buck's life. at the very least, he didn't have to leave buck alone on the curb. this isn't me trying to woobify buck because yeah, he's a grown man, he's fine -- but that doesn't mean it still isn't a bit of an asshole move.

the bachelor party: tommy doesn't dress up for the theme and dismisses buck when he's clearly disappointed about him doing so

tommy showing zero interest for the bachelor party buck planned is practically the writers waving a massive red flag in front of the camera -- him having to leave because he's on call is an understandable 'conflict' plot point but why not have him show up in an 80s themed outfit? it wouldn't have changed anything except that he and buck would have had a positive interaction; buck would have been happy that tommy cared enough to make that small gesture and it could have been a cute way to establish their relationship as one built on mutual effort. (btw, the bucktommy hospital kiss could be seen as a big gesture, sure -- but from a more practical viewpoint knowing how rushed this season had to be, it was also just an easy way for buck to "come out" to the rest of the 118 without having to spend too much episode airtime on it.)

the medal ceremony: tommy says 'enjoy it while it lasts' (which, LOL) and also is not shown reacting to buck receiving his medal. he also has a conversation with henren in a deleted scene.

again, i'm going to try to give tommy the benefit of the doubt -- i'm not saying he has to be sunshine and rainbows all the time and i have no issue with a character having a snarky/sarcastic side. but when his screentime is so minimal, every line of dialogue matters. and it's pretty damning that the writers aren't taking those few chances to give us something to appreciate about him. with buck, tommy makes a dismissive comment for literally zero reason, and with hen and karen, who are rightfully looking out for their friend, tommy refuses to take them seriously at all.

bucktommy's dinner in the finale: buck displays some vulnerability about losing bobby, and tommy... really doesn't seem to care.

honestly i refuse to rewatch this part of the ep because it really icks me out on another level but iirc: buck says he's glad bobby's okay because bobby is like the father he never had -> tommy says "your father's alive" -> something something joke about daddy issues. ignoring #that joke entirely, it's really insane to me that they have tommy even acknowledge the nuclear bomb that is buck's relationship with his parents. yes, we had a bit of a ham-fisted 'redemption arc' in s6 but that doesn't negate the buckley parents being absolutely heinous and the fact that buck verbalises how bobby played the role of the father figure because philip didn't -- all for tommy to basically deny that to his face -- is absurd. tommy has expressed on multiple occasions that he's jealous of the 118 family bond, so this line is just... very interesting to me.

now, let's recap all these events and bring eddie back into the mix!

post-bucktommy's first date, buck is more torn up about the fact that he lied to eddie than the actual date to the point that he has to vent to maddie about it. he then comes out to eddie, who is incredibly supportive (and oliver and ryan make some very curious acting choices indeed). eddie is reiterated as one of buck's most significant relationships.

pre-bachelor party, eddie is the one to suggest he and buck dress in matching (queer-coded) costumes. he then stays by buck's side at the party when everyone else leaves and although we'll never get to see it (tim minear i'm inside your walls👹), they sing an absurdly romantic karaoke song together. eddie is reiterated as one of buck's most significant relationships.

during the medal ceremony, when the camera pans to each member of the 118's love interest/family, it is eddie we are shown smiling at buck, not tommy. this is especially interesting considering we get buck reacting to tommy. i honestly can't get over how a reciprocated tommy reaction would have been an easy yet significant moment to cement bucktommy as a relationship, but they gave us eddie's instead (with chris in the background and marisol conveniently obscured, mind you). eddie is reiterated as one of buck's most significant relationships.

in the final episode, when eddie is experiencing his personal worst nightmare, buck is the one at eddie's side every step of the way. buck talks to christopher, buck reassures eddie (without judgement), and it's made clear that buck will be there for eddie, whatever he needs.

at every possible opportunity, we the audience are being implicitly told that eddie is buck's person. he is his place of support (buck having his more vulnerable coming out scene with eddie rather than his sister); he has buck's back (the bachelor party); he is his family (medal ceremony reaction), and ultimately, this goes both ways (finale).

some other things worth noting: when buck has his coming out scene with maddie, she tells him he's confused about his feelings in a way that seems to indicate she's talking about his feelings towards eddie ("if you there's something you need to tell eddie, you will"). in bobby's conversation with buck in the firehouse, he's verbally supportive of tommy and even asks if buck is going to see him, but buck goes to eddie's house instead. these were deliberate choices made by the writers; eddie has been consistently intertwined in bucktommy's relationship both overtly and subtextually throughout the entirety of s7. and let's not even get into the whole 'evan' thing, because that could be a whole other post in itself.

from the first moment we start to learn about tommy's character (beyond his... coloured past), we find out that he and eddie are practically mirrors. why not make tommy and buck share similar interests? why not give them something to bond over? why present tommy and eddie as almost identical in every way? because tommy is a placeholder for eddie. buck's initial bisexuality journey can't happen with eddie when eddie still hasn't come to terms with his own feelings. so, in the meantime, tommy is the "safe" choice in buck's mind because buck has nothing to lose with tommy whereas he's got everything to lose with eddie. buck can't confront what he truly wants yet because the risk factor is far greater and it's been repeatedly asserted that buck has an issue with people in his life leaving -- he would never do anything to jeopardise his relationship with eddie.

but ultimately (and in my opinion, fairly soon), we are going to get that moment where it "clicks" for buck and he realises that it is eddie he has feelings for. and when that happens, there's basically only one way it can go. we know buck can't keep secrets from eddie; we know eddie is going into s8 feeling "isolated"; we know tim loves making his characters suffer before they can be happy. in my mind, the narrative is going to go something like this: buck feelings realisation -> pining buck era -> eddie healing journey and a reevaluation of what buck means to him -> some insane life-threatening situation that really doubles down on how buck and eddie care more about each other than anyone else because it is 9-1-1 at the end of the day -> love confession induced by their dramatic near-death experience -> #BUDDIE_CANON !

when we factor in how there was a possibility of eddie having the sexuality arc this season instead, how tim has said buddie is one of his favourite dynamics of the show, and how supportive both oliver and ryan are of the ship, i really can't see how everything isn't building to buddie endgame. every other main pairing of the show has had seasons of development, of conflict, of bonding moments. buck and eddie have gone through that with each other time and time over (tsunami/lawsuit/shooting arc etc), which is why every other random love interest that's introduced for either of them falls flat in comparison. they quite literally are exactly what the other person needs; buck wants the stability of a home, a family, and unconditional love; eddie wants someone he can trust, a caretaker for his son but also a partner. buddie is the ship the audience wants to root for, because we know they work! now that we have canonically bisexual buck and eddie finally having to face his complicated feelings about losing shannon, buddie isn't just the logical conclusion -- it's the inevitable one.

[buddiesmutslut]

The more we hear about bt bones, the less I’m convinced they’re going to bring up Tommy’s past. They literally could not put him in an emergency that his character was perfectly set up for, in what world would they turn around & give him his own storyline?

If they do go into his bigoted past, I don’t think they’re going to be able to just leave it as is, they’re going to have to resolve it in some way, which means Buck’s going to pull Hen & Chim in along with Tommy, and I really don’t see them giving Tommy an arc that has him interacting with other mains outside of Buck & his storyline (which always seems to involve Eddie. Which could mean nothing.)

I truly do feel that whatever “uncomfortable truths” is going to be about Buck, & I’m PRAYING that it’s him finally acknowledging the shit he’s been through & the way it’s made him into the man he is today & what he ACTUALLY wants.

Someone in the Discord said it best, uncomfortable truths aren’t always something bad. It could be about how big a part of Eddie & Chris’ life he is. It could be that Tommy doesn’t really fit in with the 118, & that could be a dealbreaker. It could be any number of things but I’m CONVINCED that whatever it is, it’s going to be about Buck.

Buck’s the main character, it’s HIS story we’re telling. Tommy’s already had his time in the Begins episodes, and they “wrapped that up” (even if it was an ending worthy of an antagonist side character & not a love interest, but they never planned on bringing him back in that capacity, so it is what it is, unfortunately).

I really do think the “mask” in Masks & the uncomfortable truths they're facing is something about Buck, a mask he’s wearing. As much as I’d love for them to acknowledge how shitty Tommy was in the beginning, I’m not convinced that’s going to be The Thing that breaks them up, & honestly?

I’m okay with that. Obviously, racism & sexism & bigotry in general should be called out, not swept under the rug for the story, but Gerrard isn’t even an out & out racist anymore, he’s just an asshole, and given how they've had Tommy attribute everything to the way that the 118 was "an oppressive place" under Gerrard's leadership, I don't think they're going to bring that back up now.

If they start leaning more into that part of Gerrard now that’s he’s taken Buck under his wing, I could see them reckoning with Tommy’s past actions, but with the storyline they have right now, I think it’s going to be about Buck, & his issues & his “baggage” (which I’m hoping to GOD is Eddie & Chris, but that might be the Buddie girl in me 😭) & what HE wants in life.

If Buck’s going to get off the hamster wheel, he’s going to have to make the choice to do it all by himself, & I hope that’s what Masks is about 🙏

[madlori]

Here's where I am with Buddie.

[CW: I am using the Buddie tag on this post, even though the gist of it is that I'm increasingly doubtful that it'll ever happen. This is NOT an anti-Buddie essay. If you'd rather not read about this topic, please keep scrolling. The bulk of the essay is behind the cut.]

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I've thought a lot about this over the weeks since 7x04 aired. It's not a secret that I'm wildly enthusiastic about the BuckTommy pairing (as are many fans) but what does that mean for my thoughts and opinions about Buddie, a pairing I still love and for which I am still writing fic (slowly but surely…)?

It's become increasingly difficult to reconcile hopes for Buddie with dread for a BuckTommy breakup, but if the show managed to pull off a breakup that did not destroy me, I would still be all in for a Buddie endgame.

But more and more, I don't think it's in the cards, and I'm increasingly okay with that.

First off, I know it's a common assumption that Buck and Tommy have an expiration date, and that it cannot last. That may very well be the case, but…the show is not acting like it, nor are they presenting this arc as if it's short-lived. Episodes 4-6, while also being about other things (especially the amazing Madney wedding plot in 6) were also a bit of a trilogy about Buck discovering his sexuality and taking tentative steps into a relationship with another man. It didn't go…particularly smoothly, but the events of 7x06 where they were concerned had a completely different tone. They had a much more settled vibe in the karaoke club scenes, from Tommy's very boyfriendly "check-in" look before he had to leave, to Buck's casual/distracted "Be safe" (as if he's said this before) and just how they spoke to each other and touched each other was much more comfortable than in the coffee meetup. Which makes me think it's been a few weeks and they've seen each other a few times in the interim.

And then that kiss. Putting aside that it was juxtaposed with a literal wedding kiss, there was nothing uncertain or hesitant about it. It felt like a very arc-capping kiss, coupled with the reveal to the rest of Buck's friends and family, and the clear message was "Okay, they're done 'getting together' now, they are together and will be together going forward, even if we don't see Tommy every episode (much as we don't see Karen every episode)." We know Tommy will be around through the end of S8, if not in every remaining episode. After that, we'll see.

A lot of fans have viewed one of the guys coming out as queer to be a first step towards a Buddie future, but I have to say I've never been super comfortable with that logic. I've always thought that if they were going to get together, or both be revealed to be queer, it would have to be at the same time, with each other, via them getting together. The minute they pulled the trigger on Bisexual Buck, I immediately thought that this made Buddie far less likely. Why?

Because it would mean that the writers/showrunners would be making BOTH their "hot younger firefighter" characters queer…separately. In separate storylines. Distinct from each other. And I just don't see that happening. I'm not saying it SHOULDN'T happen. I'd be over the moon. I'm saying I think that's unlikely.

As much as it pains me to say it, I think Eddie will be written as straight and will continue to be written as straight. I don't disagree with the many examples of queer coding we've all seen - the problem is all of them can be just as easily interpreted as arising from a different trauma. Almost everything we've seen from him that could very legitimately be read as breadcrumbs for a queer identity for him could also be rooted in his trauma over Shannon's death, his family trauma, his PTSD, or his general anxiety over being enough for people. He can be read as having sexuality crises. But he can also be read as having other crises with the same results.

I'm not seeing a sexuality crisis for Eddie in the future. I just don't feel like that's where they're taking him. They're taking him somewhere -- he's got storylines coming up -- but I think they're going to have to do with his family, possibly his friendship with Buck, maybe his relationship (I think we can all agree Marisol isn't going to last, she's like the anti-Tommy in that she's been around way longer but has infinitely less of a presence), and Christopher. That's a lot to deal with just right there. If I'm wrong, I will be delighted to be wrong.

But.

I think the show will continue to prioritize and showcase Buck and Eddie's very deep and emotional friendship, which is revolutionary in its own quiet way. Another thing that makes me think they're setting Tommy up to be a long term love interest is that one of the first things they did with him was affirm that he will not come between Buck and Eddie, give him his own relationship with Eddie and Chris, and have him show that he understands and respects the depth of their bond. Not to mention they've integrated him with the firefam. No other of Buck's love interests have gotten this treatment (Taylor had the most contact with the firefam, but I don't think anyone would say she was integrated, LOL). And it shows how committed they are to maintaining Buck and Eddie's friendship as a key emotional element of the show. Tim has also said this, repeatedly.

People often say that there's no explanation for how Buck and Eddie are with each other if it's not romantic - I read a fantastic essay that pointed out that this statement is the reason their platonic friendship IS so important. Men should be able to be vulnerable and loving with each other without it being romantic, as women can be. If we're unable to see a loving friendship without interpreting it as romantic or sexual, what does that say about the kind of male friendships we see everywhere, that makes this one so different?

I know this is an old anti-Buddie argument and I'm not anti-Buddie nor do I mean it's wrong to see it as romantic. I still do. I'm saying if it's not, if it never is, what it is, is already valuable and special, especially when one of them is now openly queer and dating a man.

Anyway. That's where I am with it, and my interpretation of where the show is with it.

[canonicallyobserving911]

"When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." - Dr. Maya Angelou

This post is about Buck and Timbuktu!

I'm posting this quote by Dr. Angelou because I saw a real interesting take regarding the way Tonsilitis treated Buck in episode 8x5. First off, I don't go into tags with BuckT*mmy posts unless they're clearly indicated as Anti so imagine my surprise when I saw a post that was disguised as anti but it wasn't. The one that I read was over one of my posts and I had to do a double take to make sure I read it correctly. Anyway, the gist of it was "Buddie shippers are really reaching and trying to make Timbuktu seem like he's a bad boyfriend." 😬 Needless to say, I promptly blocked them.

As mentioned above, it was in the anti tag so... that's the only reason why I saw it but the point is if anyone thinks or believes Transparent wasn't being rude, abrasive and condescending... I have no words. If anyone truly believes the way he treated Buck was ok... then it's concerning.

They're both grown men, therefore Tonka Truck shouldn't have done more than 99.999% of the things he did or said. Reminder, that trifling dude told Buck he had five more minutes of screen time. That's not a normal or usual thing for someone to say to another adult. Buck's 32 years old not 3 or 4 and no one should be regulating his bedtime. Also, Toy Story literally laughed at Buck with his trifling co-workers and didn't even try to play it off until Eddie returned a petty smile and a nod at him.

Make no mistake, Eddie wasn't laughing with Tombstone, he was mocking him. If the scene is rewatched, it's clear that's the only time King Petty Eddie Diaz looked at that jerk. Eddie's face was giving, this guy is an asshat.

The purpose of this post is for anyone in a relationship, friendship or whatever type of lopsided ship with someone like Tonka Toy.

If a person who's supposed to like you acts like they don't... BELIEVE THEM THE FIRST TIME!

Trust their actions are NOT an act because they really don't like you and Twiddle Dumb doesn't like Buck one bit.

He wants EDDIE! He always has but Eddie wants Buck, so there!

Evan 'Buck' Buckley, this goes for you too!

Just saying.

[eddiediazismyhusband]

okay no bc i actually need to see abuela having a meaningful talk with christopher about how shannon wasn’t a good mother and that he’s old enough to know the truth rather than eddie just over-romanticizing the whole thing

christopher does not need to be shamed for being upset at his mom leaving. the whole “she didn’t leave, she died 🥺” argument is just factually untrue when she fully intended to leave again before she had her accident

he does not need to be coddled and told about how hard it was for her when she was actively being just as ableist as ramon and helena. he is 13 years old; if he can make a decision on where he lives, he can hear the truth of how awful his mother was so that maybe he can actually provide sufficient context to the actions his dad has taken

yes, she was very young when christopher was born, and no eddie was not a perfect husband/father in the beginning; but the point is she didn’t even give him a chance to even begin processing his PTSD when he cane back, immediately vilifying him for everything before doing the same exact thing as what… petty revenge? giving him a taste of his own medicine? you’re an adult woman with a son who needed you and you walked out on him because you didn’t want the stress. okay, that’s fine, that’s your choice

but don’t show up once he’s older demanding to see him because “he’s my son too” and then proceeding to shame eddie, the one who HAS been there for him after you left, for something he already has made clear he regrets, and has also atoned for by stepping up and actually taking responsibility rather than shirking them the moment it got ‘too hard’ when his parents would have been more than willing to let him do

and then to try and manipulate him with the whole “he’s my son” “we can be a family again” bullshit as a way to get back into his pants— only to dip as soon as things start to get serious again?

and on top of that, the “she was just a girl” argument doesn’t even hold up because yeah, she WAS just a girl. she’s not just a girl anymore. she’s a grown adult woman shirking her responsibility because she doesn’t want to be a mother. That’s all well and good; she doesn’t have to be a mother. But once you make that decision, don’t go crawling back acting like you weren’t the one to actively decide to leave. You’re an adult, making adult decisions, and you need to handle the adult consequences of those adult decisions.

sorry no one will ever be able to convince me to like shannon and im sick of the writers trying to force rose tinted glasses on her existence bc of tim’s obsession with bringing devin back out of nowhere every two seconds

anyway sorry for the shannon rant i saw thay post i reblogged and it just reminded me how much anger i hold towards her for everything she did and how i hate it when people are like “oh she changed she wanted to try again 🥺” when she quite literally didn’t, as is evident by the way she immediately tried to run away again the moment she had to be an adult.

also there is no way buck would EVER look at the way she treated chris and eddie and then actively be friends with her. friend-ly maybe, civil at best, but he would never look at the lasting hurt she caused those two and actively chose to persue a friendship with her.

anyway getting off my anti-shannon soap box and i just needed to get that off my chest lamo

[lesbianrobin]

I love the new buck edit but the 'dni' disclaimer ruins it. that should go in the tags maybe so as not to ruin a perfectly good post with anti stuff. just an observation.

sorry are you under the impression that i put THIS banner

on my post because i am concerned with "not ruining a perfectly good post with anti stuff." you're phrasing this as if it's a harmless helpful suggestion but it's pretty clear you just don't personally like it and you want to tell me that.

[hibiscus-reign]

Different anon here replying to one of your other anons. One thing I want to emphasize is that BuckTommy fans TRIED to be friendly with Buddies. We really did. In fact, all we did was post celebratory posts about Buck's bisexuality, talk about how much we loved him with Tommy, discussed what headcanons we had, in addition to the hopes we had for the future of their relationship. The large majority of BuckTommy fans were and still are fans of Eddie. The large majority of us LOVE Buck's relationship with Eddie, even if many of us only see it as platonic. We've never seen Eddie as a threat, nor have we set out to vilify and attack Buddie fans for not liking Tommy or wanting him to be with Buck. But the same CANNOT be said about Buddies. It became very clear, very fast, that Buddies were threatened by Buck's relationship with Tommy, and because of that, they quickly began antagonizing BuckTommy shippers. Calling us horrific racial slurs, being disgustingly homophobic and biphobic, accusing us of fetishizing Buck with Tommy because "we're slaves to white men" and "love calling white men massa" (real fucking quotes said many times by Buddies), intentionally posting what initially seem like positive posts in our tag, only to throw us a curveball at the end by basically saying "Psych!" with something extremely rude and anti-BuckTommy. They even post fanfiction that is presented as being all about BuckTommy, only to kill Tommy off at the end or have Buck break up with him and then have Buck get with Eddie. And they laugh about all of that, over and over, in the BuckTommy tag. All this to say, it can get deeply, deeply frustrating when people, especially so-called decent Buddie fans (because they can't tell me they don't witness the shit their fellow Buddie members pull on the daily), try to "both sides" this situation and accuse BuckTommy fans of being just as problematic and incapable of civility as Buddies. No, no, no. BuckTommy fans have been nothing like Buddies, and to try portraying us as an equal part of the problem feels like an extremely bad faith take meant to downplay the toxicity of Buddie shippers while vilifying BuckTommy fans for, God forbid, calling Buddies out on their abhorrent behavior. Because that's what the large majority of BuckTommy's anger consists of--defending our IDENTITIES against disgusting personal attacks, and, again, God forbid, daring to call Buddies out when they relentlessly, CONSTANTLY twist their head canons into "fact", misrepresent the truth over and over again, and then try to portray anyone who disagrees with them as stupid and beneath them. That's toxic ass behavior, and BuckTommy fans shouldn't have to sing "Kumbaya" for the sake of civility so some of you guys can feel comfortable, not when Buddies are committed to being cruel and disgusting at every turn. And I haven't even touched on the fact that BuckTommy fans are not the ones harassing the showrunner and actors, and trying to get an actor FIRED by misrepresenting what he said and trying to twist it into something actually really gross and fucked up, just so they can try to get what they want. So some of you guys can positively miss me with the "both sides" attempt. The only thing I WILL say about BuckTommy fans is that we do need to make a bigger attempt at ignoring Buddies. We can get a little TOO caught up in what the Buddies are saying and doing to us. But on the other hand, BuckTommy fans have a right to defend ourselves, especially when the attacks are constantly real fucking personal and don't even have anything to DO with shipping.

I agree with all of what you said. I know how things happened. I had even said there’s no reason for the Bucktommy side of the fandom to start a ship war, it all started with die hard Buddies, and I don’t usually see the ones who play both sides because I blocked them. There’s no reason in talking to them because they’re either just as scared of Buddies or don’t want confrontation. I also know people who want to play both sides are just people telling BuckTommy fans how to react, and they’re never telling Buddies how to act. I agree with you 100% on that and those are the people I block.

I’ve also been told I’m racist because I hate Eddie and Mexicans (I don’t), by people who either don’t know or don’t care that I’m Mexican (100% both parents born there and so was I).

I made a whole post explaining how Buddies have been homophobic when they tried to downplay their homophobia to simply cropping Lou from pictures. I know the slang and words that they tried to attach to him and the community. Those people are also blocked.

Now, like I told last anon I’m not trying to bridge that gap. You can see some of my own past posts how petty I can be to the die hard buddies. I am one person and I’m not going to change a whole fandom of toxicity. All I can do is block and search for those who can make my experience here a peaceful and fun one.

So far I haven’t made any friends here. There’s no DMs and it’s just been likes and comments on posts. I try reaching out to Buddie shippers who I think could be pals, and they never respond, or if I mention Tommy it’s dead silent afterwards (ironically the thing they claim to hate that Tommy did to Chimney is what they do to me), and I don’t try again. Most of the buddie shippers who I briefly talk to are ones who have seen how crazy their side of the fandom have started acting. Some of them have even “jumped ship” because of that.

I’m not here to make this whole group thing happen. I came from a fandom where these type of things don’t happen. This is new to me. I only left because the source material is too long and I know I don’t have the dedication or time to consume it fully, and people there respect the source material. I didn’t want to feel like I didn’t belong there, so I left.

I was able to consume the entire source material here. I even enjoyed myself doing it. 911 is one of my top 3 favorite shows ever. I entered this fandom having high hopes of fitting into a community, but as we can see that didn’t happen. I’m not trying to have all of us love each other or even talk to each other, all I’m trying to do is find that small few who can be part of a peaceful community for this one show.

I’m also not asking for any black person or person of color to forgive, only you have the power to do that for yourself.

I really want to find my peace in this fandom. I have blocked so many people, and don’t even try to reach out to others because I know it’s a lost cause, this is just my attempt to find my place here. I hope you can understand that.

[inairthings]

Todo lleva a Buddie ❤️‍🔥

Everything leads to Buddie ❤️‍🔥

🇪🇸 - 🇬🇧

🇪🇸 FOX España o lo anteriormente conocido como FOX España ahora llamado Star Channel, propiedad de Disney, es Buddie, es algo que ha quedado claro hace mucho con numerosas publicaciones de Buck y Eddie o por separado tanto en Twitter como en Instagram, y es genial, en especial que ahora hay una persona más en la ecuación que en mi opinión tiene menos expresividad que un muro de hormigón, sí, es Tommy Kinard, el supuesto interés amoroso de Buck, digo supuesto porque es una relación demasiado rara, un tío que aparece solo para escenas de lo más tontas, para justificar su presencia en la serie. Buck se merecía algo mucho mejor, ¿soy anti Tommy?, totalmente, me declaro hater de Tommy, pero no una de esas haters dañinas, o para ser más precisos anti Bucktommy, simplemente no me gusta el personaje y quiero desaparezca de la serie, de todas formas, eso lo dejo para otro post porque todavía estoy un poco indignada con el final de la Temporada 7.

Buddie va a ser canon, de eso no hay duda, son muchas las pistas que han dado de que sucederá, solo espero que no sea en el último minuto de la serie, eso también da para otro post, ¿por qué ser Buddie?, resumen, porque Buck y Eddie tienen una química explosiva.

(ACLARACIÓN: que se odie a un personaje no significa que se deba odiar al actor que lo interpreta, él solo está haciendo su trabajo, hay que saber separar realidad de ficción).

🇬🇧 Fox España Aka FOX España now called Star Channel, property of Disney, is Buddie, it's something that has long been clear with numerous posts by Buck and Eddie or separately on both Twitter and Instagram, and it's great, especially that now there are one more person in the equation who in my opinion has less expressiveness than a concrete wall, yes, he's Tommy Kinard, Buck's supposed love interest, I say supposed because it's a very WEIRD relationship, a guy who appears only for silliest scenes, to justify his presence in the series. Buck deserved much better, am I anti Tommy? Totally, I declare myself a Tommy hater, but not one of those harmful haters, or anti Bucktommy to be more precisely, I simply don't like the character and I want him to disappear from the series, anyway, I'll leave that for another post because I'm still a little disgusted with the end of Season 7.

Buddie is going to be canon, there is no doubt about that, there are many clues that have been given that it will happen, I just hope it is not in the last minute of the series, that is also something for another post, why be Buddie? because Buck and Eddie have explosive chemistry and they are lovely.

(IMPORTANT INFO: just because you hate a character does not mean you should hate the actor who plays him, he is just doing his job, you have to know how to separate reality from fiction).

[johanna-swann]

Okay, so this post isn't exactly anti-Maddie, it's more about the writing, but I do find it annoying. So uhhh be adviced?

I feel like every main character on 911 has their flaws and struggles, they make mistakes and have to deal with the consequences.

Buck was impulsive and hurt, he sued to get his job back and in the aftermath was ostracised by his family. He wasn't in a good place when he did that, it's understandable why he did that, but it was a mistake he actively made and he suffered the consequences of his own actions.

Hen cheated on her wife, it was wrong, they had a big fight and almost lost their son in a custody battle. Hen never intended for all of that to happen, one mistake spiraled out of control, but she did that and struggled to make up for her mistake.

Eddie joined an illegal fight club, his mental health deteriorated and he almost lost his job. He almost murdered a guy and had to face reality. Learning how to deal with his trauma in a healthy way is something he still struggles with.

I could go on, but I guess the pattern I'm trying to point out is clear: Character is in a tough spot, makes a big mistake due to an established/recurring character flaw, has to take responsibility and deal with the fallout.

That's not how Maddie's story goes. Maddie is always, always a victim of circumstance and everyone forgives her immediately. She lied to her brother for all his life because it was easier than telling him the truth? Well she was only 9 herself and her parents made her. She leaves her partner and infant daughter with no word as to why she's leaving, where she's going and when (if?) she's coming back? Well it's not her fault, she's ill. She stalks a couple and crosses a shit ton of boundaries that could get her fired? That's okay because the husband is abusive and Maddie is traumatised herself.

Sometimes it's hinted at the idea that Maddie holier-than-thou Han isn't 100% perfect, but nobody is ever really angry with her, she's forgiven 0.5 seconds after she makes a mistake and even when she does suffer negative consequences it's usually written in a way which states clearly that she is the one suffering the most in all of this. Even if she hurt other people, she herself is suffering even more. Her flaw isn't impulsiveness or aggression or infidelity, it's victimhood.

So it'd be great when the next time the writers create a story line for her if she could just make mistakes like everyone else does and actually have it be her own fault. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

[lover-of-mine]

Hello friend! I hope your day has been good! I know mine has! Thank you Aisha and official 911 account for that 😂

My discord is filled with some not so happy people. They don’t understand why the official account is so blatantly fueling the hate for Tommy. They thought they loved them. They don’t understand what happened to all the positive Tommy love they were promoting and pushing (I’m not really sure when that even ever happened but 😅) They got told more BT was coming and them deleting every single anti Tommy comment yesterday was proof. (Again not sure why they just believed this when there are still plenty of anti Tommy comments up)

The cropping of Lou seems to be what has really set my particular discord servers BT fans off. Because denying the clear pattern in those Hen Chim and Buck photos like they do in public, in private they see it and then to crop Lou out in the one for he. has them mad mad mad. I’m sure we all remember being accused of being homophobic when that still originally came out and people cropped him out. Well now they did too. Officially. And they also know it was a choice to use that photo for Hen when they have plenty of other ones they could have used for her solo/with friends picture. Which is the other issue they have because to them it makes it seem like the show is also saying they aren’t friends. Remember she’s supposed to be BTs biggest in canon cheerleader.

Add the insult of using multiple 7.4 stills for bucks and also not including him? Anger and confusion. Which I will say today has caused some of them to turn their back on their “insider.” They promised no more Buddie. No more Ryan and Oliver. Those photos yesterday were red herrings for the main event today aka Lou Lou and more Lou. And well…this is what they get instead. But this is also what happened on reddit before they got laughed off and came to tumblr. It’s been like watching an ever increasing bad car accident as they get more insane with what’s to come, doesn’t happen, back tracking, no more insane predictions, doesn’t happen, rinse repeat. Now if only they could open their eyes on the ship itself.

~🅰️

Hello love 🩷

Today has definitely been a gift that keeps on giving. I don't know why they believe literally everything someone says when you just have to check their comments for 5 seconds to find anti comments. But that post had to have been a hit because there are so many things that could've had him but didn't. And top it off with the way that they used Eddie on Buck's section of it? Hello???? All their narratives keep crumbling before their eyes and it's insane for real. What even is our life that every time they convince themselves they are getting a win, we get it instead? Crazy. It's almost as if the ship was never meant to last.

[evankinkley]

Tommy literally said he was like a parent to him, he didn’t even say anything during the ceremony when he made a horrible joke, Chimney had to jump in lol

Is this a pro or anti tommy post? some of us have deep trauma, babes.

Tommy never got the chance to fully confront his feelings as an proud and out man towards Gerrard. So in that regard I'm super interested to see Gerrard back. He's a terrible person but with the scene of Tommy saying nothing, Buck knowing who Gerrard is (from stories by Tommy, Hen and Chim) and glaring, and Chim protecting them?

As a viewer, super intrigued how season 8A will look. I thought it was clear that Tommy had complicated feelings with Gerrard. The comment that he was like his dad, not really meant as a sweet moment. You do realize that, right? Are we still all not watching the same show?

[clandestine-j]

jesus fucking christ, i go to the buck/tommy/eddie tag for some fucking poly fun and ya'll are using that to shit on tommy and buck's relationship.

like fucking hell.

legit just saw a post that's like WHY are ya'll trying to convince everyone bucktommy is endgame? well, the hell the won't YA'LL let us enjoy buck's and tommy's relationship without calling him a plot device. people aren't even allowed to enjoy buck's first queer relationship without getting told were racist or ya'll comparing a 6 year (?) relationship to a new one.

and can WE PLEASE let go of the NAME.

his parents (y'know, the people he doesn't have a great relationship) didn't get to call him evan....because of the shit relationship.

ali called him evan, he didn't take on the nick-name buck because he had some deep trauma related to being called evan. he says it in his begin episode, there were other evans in his class so he started to go by buck and his it stuck.

ya'll the answer of buck doesn't have an issue with it because it's a simple answer and it destroys that ya'll have attached to the name. EVAN (tommy's voice) has never blown up at anyone but his parents when it came to using his name. and there is a clear reason for it.

like, bucktommy shippers didn't come for buddie fans first. people got excited about the relationship and then we were told we no longer care about buddie or tommy was quickly reduced to being called a plot device. oh, he's gonna bow out of the way for eddie, he's gonna tell buck that he's actually invested in eddie. oh, we'll ignore the fact that buck didn't care about basketball until tommy was around, we'll ignore the fact that buck rambled on about tommy just as much as he did about eddie. oh, tommy was just courting eddie.

it's tired. tommy can call buck, evan because buck does not care. buck is smitten and wants to be with tommy. let us enjoy that.

and let us poly-ship fans enjoy the tag without you shitting on one of the characters. there is a WHOLE anti tommy kinard tag for you to folic in. fucking hell, when you type in tommy's name in the tag, it's the first thing that comes up

[littlerosetrove]

This is just too ridiculous and stupid to not comment on.

People who are anti-Tommy are full on ignoring the canonical fact that Tommy and Eddie are friends. They were friends before Buck and Tommy were ever a couple. Eddie has willfully hung out with and spent time with Tommy separately from Buck, because both Eddie and Tommy do and are allowed to exist outside of Buck. Eddie introduced Tommy to his son, which we all know is a big deal, and Chris thinks Tommy is cool and likes him.

Without Buck, we know Tommy and Eddie have and probably continue to do the following together: - play basketball - go to trivia nights at a bar - practice Muay Thai - watch MMA fights - hung out with Chris before he left - worked on cars (correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure they both have a thing for cars/trucks) - and just generally hung out

So no, it was not weird or awkward for Tommy to be present at the birthday call with Chris. Why? Again, Chris already has a bond with Tommy. Tommy is Eddie's friend, and in this particular case, the scene informed us (that are paying attention and not being willfully obtuse) that Eddie is comfortable enough and close enough with Tommy to want him to be in this situation that Eddie knew is vulnerable for himself. Eddie had only invited Buck and Eddie, but no one else.

The only thing that was "awkward" was that Eddie had balloons and party hats for everyone to celebrate his sons 14th birthday. It was awkward because we can see that Eddie still sees Chris as his little baby boy, but Chris isn't the 9-year-old who would have loved and been won over more easily with such things. It was awkward and painful to see that Eddie is missing out on his sons life, and as someone else in fandom described it, Eddie has kind of frozen Chris in time in his mind. Frozen Chris just before things went to shit, and maybe even before that. It was painful to see Chris brush off his dad, but also Buck and Tommy. It was a little awkward to see Eddie have this air of "everything his fine," when we know it's not, but that's something he'll need to confront and work on.

Anti-Tommy people are saying "Buck awkwardly dragged his boyfriend to Eddie's, and Eddie was clearly 'uh this is weird, but he can stay I guess'." Congratulations, you're painting Buck to be a bad and rather dense friend in this situation, and I don't know if you realize it, but hey, anything to paint Tommy as the odd one out and/or the bad guy.

But y'all really think Buck would bring just any partner (or anyone for that matter) to this situation? Buck fully knows that things are not great right now between Eddie and Chris, and you think Buck would "drag along" just any partner into this delicate situation? Seriously?? But again, no one dragged anyone anywhere because Eddie clearly had invited his friends.

I've also seen the added take of "this is like Taylor Kelly all over again." Y'all are truly grasping at straws here. There is nothing comparable about Tommy and Taylor Kelly. Tommy is Eddie's friend. Taylor Kelly was never friends with Eddie, they tolerated each other for Buck's sake, and frankly I'm sure Buck was aware of this. Taylor Kelly had dinner at Eddie's house one time, and she was uncomfortable the whole time. Tommy, if we're all paying attention, has been at Eddie's house multiple times, and was comfortably helping set up decorations and, again, just being there for his friend.

Good gosh y'all, and this was just the first episode. I know it's going to get worse, and that's why I'm blocking, unfollowing, and blacklisting with ease. No kidding, because I saw this *points at post* nonsense from people I was following - one person I hadn't expected because they'd had good thoughts and takes on 911 in the past - I unfollowed 5-6 people/blogs just today.

Edit: to be clear as well, no I'm not putting Tommy in the same category as Buck in terms of the kind of relationship Chris has with Buck or Eddie has with Buck. I know they're different. Simply, Eddie is friends with Tommy, and Chris likes Tommy too.

[procrastinatingfeminist]

I saw your anti chimney post in the tag which sadly only has 2 posts?

I'm curious because I disliked him in season 5 because he not only hit Buck but chased Maddie across the country to try and force her to come back, but I was never really his biggest fan.

Did you always dislike him or was that a tipping point for you?

It is a bit of a long answer, so I will put the answer unter the cut.

I want to make it absolutely clear that I am not conflating Chimney and Kenneth Choi. An actor is not his role and vice versa. From what I have seen, Kenneth Choi is somewhat clunky and awkward in his interactions on social media, likely because like me he didn't grow up with it (and maybe also because he is old enough to not give a lot of fucks about pleasing everyone and being 100% pure), but has a very dry sort of humor and judging from some vids with JLH is hysterically funny.

I have started watching 911 after having been sucked into the fandom through fanfic, and that was mostly not exactly Chimney-friendly one, so I had come in somewhat spoilered. But that is not exactly new for me - I tend to seek out spoilers before deciding if watching a tv show will be a waste of my time or not, because it is a time investment. Because of that, I also repeatedly made the experience that my experience of fanfic and canon can be vastly different, and I tend to like the asshole characters anyway, so while spoilered, I was prepared to give him a chance. (I wasn't much impressed with Buck in the first seasons, either, fanfic overhyped him waaaay too much, but he grew on me. Like fungus.)

So, to answer your question - I knew that there was a higher than average probability that i might not like him, but I didn't dislike him from the outset. There was no tipping point, exactly, it was the conflagration of a lot of irritants that just culminated in that shitty storyline in season 5.

He is introduced as a middle-aged guy who is so desperate for female attention that he comes off obsessive and stalkerish, and not above constantly lying to someone he plans to marry to keep that relationship. If at least he had been self-aware enough that it was built on lies and nothing real can out of it, I would have been able to put him into the 'well, plenty of people lie about who they are when they want to have sex, what else is new' pile and forgot about it, but that he seriously proposed to Tatiana while constantly lying to her? And then blew off at everyone when called out? That is some serious break from reality, dude. It also didn't endear him to me that he was constantly grumbling jealously about Buck's success with women all the while, when Buck had been one of the three people who had been at his bedside in the hospital post-rebar incident and had looked up to him. Envy is not pretty to look at.

Then there is his inability to shut up about the most private and hurtful things that his friends and coworkers might prefer to disclose at their own discretion and maybe also not to complete strangers, and pretty much 99 times out of 100 it is something about Buck. For fucks sake, the man works in a medical profession, and while HIPAA, as far as I understand, applies to paramedics the same way as to doctors and nurses, anyone else would and should have been sued several times, if they blapped off to strangers about all the things that Chimney did. Why exactly did Eddie need to know about Abby's ghosting on his first day? Why would he even think to joke about Dr. Wells' raping Buck during the appointment (and I don't care that the show doesn't follow up on that plot point, she was his therapist and she slept with her patient, who was in an emotionally vulnerable place, that equals rape to me)? In what world it is appropriate? There are too many incidents to count. The point is, this behaviour of constantly blurting out other people's business to strangers involves Buck so often that it feels targeted. Because I don't remember him blurting out willy-nilly about Bobby's alcoholism or Hen's cheating, especially not in front of the Fire Chief or in front of Councilwoman Ortiz or social workers. Those two would have eaten him alive if he did something like that, but everyone thinks its funny haha just because it's about Buck.

And the storyline about Daniel? When the only person who had a right to find out about his brother was the last to know? Even the bomber knew it before him. The one time when Chimney's diarrhea mouth might have given him some brownie points, he keeps the secret.

And then the wedding episode, when Chimney loses his memories. He sees Buck - he recognizes him, even if he doesn't know who he is exactly and he sees him wearing a firefighter uniform, so someone who is public servant and marked as a person of trust - and his subconscious makes it out as if Buck is someone he should fear? That is either a sign of enormous guilt that he never bothered to work through or that he genuinely thinks that Buck is a threat to him. And that.... tells me very unfortunate things about Chimney.

All that listed are things that don't even go into the whole PPD/casually threatening to cut off contact to the only family Buck has any interest in/the punch/the stalking arc. In short, there are plenty of reasons to dislike Chimney and not a lot of character growth that i have seen from him over the span of 7 seasons.

But on the other hand, I have been slowly rewatching 911 again, just a bit out of order. And sometimes, there are moments where I can see them having a moment where the writers could have spun off a subplot to give them a better relationship, like the catfishing episode; or sometimes I hear him making borderline jokes and think, yeah, okay, I can see how this could be taken out of context and on its own could be just chalked up under 'caustic humor'. (The problem is, that that context exists and points to a pattern of abusive behavior. If his abrasive humor was all that I had to judge him on, I would have thought people were overreacting over their weeaboo being picked on). He is also not the only one I have a problem with - Maddie's behaviour is super manipulative and reinforces Chim's bias, no matter how well meaning or fucked up from her own trauma she is. The culture of ignoring the way Chim talks about his coworker at the 118 doesn't paint anyone at the firehouse in the best light.

But that is the reason why I post my griping in the anti tag. Because people love what they love and his character speaks to people with different experiences than me on a different level. I have made my peace that plenty of people hate Snape and though it always is very unpleasant to suddenly come across a hate tirade in a fic in a completely unrelated fandom, I don't make it my life's mission to bash those authors in comments; and here on tumblr it is even easier to separate those posts out. What I found ridiculous was that I explicitly posted it in an anti tag, and still that nonnie came onto my dash to berate me. Like, what did they expect?

Hope that answers your question, nonnie.

[suenitos]

your love post about dream just reminded me of something he said during a space. i can’t remember the exact words but it was something along the lines of understanding where his antis are coming from when they hate him for whatever he says or does bc you’re a different person in the perspectives of other people. and i remember being stumped when he said that cause that’s such a mature mindset to have? i love how he tries to do good, and at the same time i feel like he knows when to accept when he can’t change people’s minds. i obvi can’t read his mind but that’s how i interpreted it. but it just sucks now cause it’s a whole different story when it’s someone as close to him as tommy being at the opposing side :( i think we all know how hurt he is based on his likes, but i really hope it works out for him in the end, whether he makes up with tommy or not. i just want him to be at peace

i don’t know how articulate i am with this cause english isn’t my first language and i hopeeee i don’t sound too parasocial? 😭

good morning anon. youre so good dw about it i dont think you sound too parasocial at all. your english is great :) this got way too long so putting it under a readmore

i keep thinking about his "the internet is cold" statement and the way he doesnt immediately attribute someone disliking him to something malicious. he just kinda understands a lot of the shit against him is unserious at the end of the day and laughs it off which is admirable and maybe a bit scary (TO ME). i talked on priv a while back about him always reaching out to other ccs after they talk shit about him to clear up miscommunication over an assumption about HIS character, values, etc which is really mature and a minor droloism of mine but whatever. what makes this different is that it's someone he considered a close friend and very public shade/misrepresentation over another situation involving a personal project where he got burned by another "friend" like... thats just pure betrayal. i'd be pissed too! i'd be sooo mad OMG i'd rain hell on people.

the grind and fame seduces like no other... unfortunately most people value outrage and a quick buck and laugh over sincerity nuance and longevity and well thats the case with most dream discussions/mentions on the internet :( i feel conflicted because on one hand cc friendships and partnerships etc are awesome and amazing but there comes a point where most of the time shit happens (clout, money, etc) and they end messily so while i am sad about it sometimes it is the way it goes and not even dream is immune from that as a cc (snf munchy exempted). like its very danplan/try guys fallout to me (not exact matches but you get what i mean) its happened before and it has and will continue to happen to dream.

still feel really sad about it though because it was a really beautiful friendship born out of mutual respect and passion for the craft. loving people is scary as fuck because you dont know if or when they're gonna turn on you but we still do it anyway. i dont think its overly parasocial to say you wish him peace no matter what; at the end of the day he IS another guy and its not wrong to wish good on people you dont know. i hope it works out too :( many virtual hugs anonnie sorry for these walls of text jfc