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they haven't released the post-graveyard truck scene bc it's going to be part of a montage of moments from their relationship that happens right before bucktommy get back together, in this essay i will -
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Just wanted your opinion on a few things because I'm curious. I know you can't say anything other than what you think, and that's all I'm asking.
I kinda feel like the breakup was planned all along (maybe not so soon, we know storylines shift a lot) and they plan to have them get back together in the future. (Fully admit I swing wildly back and forth between this, and "he ain't ever coming back and we'll be lucky if they even acknowledge his existence from now on.")
And also, I'm getting a lot of "they already know this is their last season" vibes, especially since it kinda sounds like Tim wants to blow everything up and burn it to the ground. (Not gonna lie, with how they're written this season, I kinda hope it is. Wrap it up and let the better authors take it over from here. 😅)
Anyways, thoughts?
I'm back and forth on it too.
I do believe we'll see Tommy again for something. Be it a reunion, closure, or actually getting back together. It was just left too open to be completely over. Even for 911 standards.
The romcom comment from Tim is the main reason for my confusion.
Was THIS the moment in a romcom where shit falls apart, but they ultimately get back together?? Or was it the disaster date in season 7?? Season 7 would work but we all know that in romcoms they end up together, the end, happily ever after, wedding bells, eyc. which ultimately hasn't happened.
And could Tim have decided to completely end the relationship?? Absolutely. But why make Tommy so fucking different than other relationships? He even said that he didn't want to create a random gay character. He wanted someone connected to the world of first responders. It's why Maddie is a dispatcher AND Buck's sister. Tim said he found it really difficult to incorporate Abby in season 1.
Idk man. I hate trying to understand Tim's thought process because it's never just one simple thought. He wanted Lou because he's charming. He filmed the break-up before the Halloween episode and they (Tim, Oliver, and Lou) have said it was meant to be heartbreaking.
My question is, why? There has to be a reason.
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I want Buck to be his most unhinged self and reject every house Eddie considers for the most deranged reasons possible...until Eddie sees a house and gets that warm, happy look on his face imagining him and Chris living there and Buck just...can't say anything negative about it (even as he feels Eddie slipping through his fingers more than ever).
#buddie#buck behaving like an absolute lunatic around eddie and everyone else seeing it except for Eddie because Eddie is just that accepting#and enamored of everything Buck does is like my favorite thing in the world#if we do not see that on display before Eddie leaves i'll be bummed af#like Eddie just lets Buck reject every house and takes his opinion so seriously and everyone else is like that man is crazy#911 abc#911 speculation
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If Buck does get kidnapped in 8B (which I highly doubt would happen), he's going to be the pettiest bitch that kidnapper has ever seen. He's going to make them regret they ever locked him up in the same room with them, and he's going to make his stay there a living hell for them. He's going to "kill them with kindness," but like, the kidnapper wouldn't even realize it's happening until it'd be too late. He's going to drown them in fun facts about stupid shit until the kidnapper forgets their own name and just lets Buck go out of fear for their own mental health and peace and quiet.
#911#911 abc#911 on abc#evan buck buckely#oliver stark#buddie#eddie diaz#ryan guzman#911 speculation#911 season 8 speculation#911 season 8#911 8b#911 season 8b
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Who Didn't Want Buddie to be Canon?
Is it the network or the actor?
In regards with the notion that ABC's best chance to make canon Buddie happened was in Season 7 (for promotional purpose & screen time efficiency), there are speculations why it didn't happen. We know that Oliver Stark didn't mind to play bi Buck, so it's unlikely he was the cause. It leaves us with 2 remaining suspects: ABC and Ryan Guzman. Let's explore the result of each possible scenarios:
SCENARIO 1: BOTH ABC and Ryan AGREED to make Buddie canon.
What could possibly happened:
Buddie would be canon in Season 7. ABC would gain more hypes from Buddie shippers. There would be no need to re-introduce Tommy, or to make ep. 7x04 "Buck, Bothered, & Bewildered". The extra screen time could be used for other storylines, e.g. Kim-Eddie-Marisol, Amir, and the deleted Eddie & Christopher's conversation about how Eddie and Shannon met.
SCENARIO 2: ABC DIDN'T WANT to make Buddie canon, but Ryan WAS WILLING to play gay Eddie.
What could possibly happened:
Tommy would be re-introduced and paired with Eddie. ABC wanted either Buck or Eddie to have a bisexual awakening to bait attract new queer-leaning audience. Buck is more popular than Eddie among the majority of fans, who are mostly cis het women. That's also why the show sends Oliver for promotion more often than Ryan. Making Eddie queer instead of Buck, is a safer bet to minimize the risk of losing queer-averse audience.
SCENARIO 3: ABC WANTED to make Buddie canon, but Ryan DIDN'T WANT to play gay Eddie.
What could possibly happened:
Tommy would be re-introduced and directly paired with Buck, without even being considered to be paired with Eddie behind the scenes.
In this scenario, ABC's preference was canon Buddie (for promotional purpose & screen time efficiency). Oliver and Ryan would be asked whether they were willing to play queer Buck and queer Eddie. Lou Ferrigno Jr. would be called ONLY AFTER one of them refused, which most likely was Ryan. Since Ryan had refused to play a queer Eddie, it doesn't make sense to even consider pairing Tommy with Eddie. And Lou WOULDN'T SAY that "It was originally, possibly going to be with Eddie and Tommy, but that fell through," in his interview.
SCENARIO 4: ABC DIDN'T WANT to make Buddie canon, AND Ryan DIDN'T WANT to play gay Eddie.
What could possibly happened:
ABC wanted to bait attract new queer leaning audience. However, they already had Henren as the main queer couple on the show. Adding another main queer couple could upset their existing queer-adverse audience. One possible baiting strategy is to make either Buck or Eddie had a bisexual awakening, dated a man, broke up with the man, then continued to date women (and sometimes men, if necesaary). That way, either Buck or Eddie could claim the bisexual label but didn't have to show their queer relationships on screen for too long.
Tim Minear might have planned to make Buck bisexual since at least Season 2. However, after the show had been airing for 6 seasons, Buck seemed to be more popular among members of the general audience compared to Eddie. To minimize the risk of losing the existing queer-averse audience, Tim and/or ABC chose Ryan to be the one who'd play a queer character, with Tommy as his first boyfriend.
For whatever (probably more than one) reasons, Ryan refused. Thus, Tim was back to his initial plan: making Buck bisexual. Unlike Ryan, Oliver (whom probably had been told about the possibility of bisexual Buck since a long time ago), was easily on board. This makes sense considering what Lou said in his interview, "It was originally, possibly going to be with Eddie and Tommy, but that fell through. But Oliver was willing..."
CONCLUSION: Who didn't want Buddie to be canon? ABC or Ryan? It's ironic that the answer might have been inadvertently hinted almost a year ago, by unsuspecting Lou, nonetheless:
The fact that ABC even planned Eddie to be paired with Tommy, means ABC had rejected the idea of canon Buddie.
The fact that the plan fell through, most likely because it was rejected by Ryan, means Ryan didn't want to play a gay Eddie.
The most plausible answer is both. Both ABC and Ryan Guzman didn't want Buddie to be canon.
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I made a list of all foreshadowing for an NDE in s8 I could find so far :
1. Eddie telling Buck 'don't jump'
2. Buck saving Gerrard in a way that could have hurt him too
3. Chim telling Buck that if Chim was ever in danger of a sawblade he hopes Buck is there nearby
4. Buck running into traffic
5. 'take Eddie and die'
6. 'you tell anyone and you die'
7. Bobby telling Buck to hang on and be careful
8. Eddie saying he can't imagine what Bobby was going through
9. Buck's dying alone graveyard speech
10. the whole Billy Boils connection of being left alone
11. Chim and Maddie talking about them being careful and not wanting to lose her
12. Every medic Eddie instance
13. Buck asking Bobby if they should stop Hen because she was working on Denny and Bobby asking if he would be the one wanting to try to get her out of working on her son
definitely might be missing some more but this is all pretty loud
#911 abc#idk WHAT is coming but something definitely is#911 speculation#evan buckley#eddie diaz#bobby nash#maddie han
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You know what.
We have seen how nonchalant everyone in the firefam was about the break up, no? Like it's something that always happens (which, to be fair, buck always breaks up with his partners after a period that goes to 6-10 months). I'm not even thinking it's the wrong attitude. I mean, for them, they must think "we are gonna treat this break up just like his other ones, just cause Tommy is a dude there should be no difference".
(this without counting on the fact that Tommy was friends with everyone. But apparently the writers didn't so. I'm not gonna talk about that stupidity here rn)
Only. They don't get that it is different this time. And Buck, bless him, won't realize until someone spells it out to him without knowing.
What I'm thinking over is the whole Josh speech. Taking aside the glee of it all, when Josh asks Buck if he thinks he loves Tommy, Buck's reply is immediately like "whoa let's not go that far" but with every question Josh asks he's like "well...". Problem is, I don't think Buck realised he loves Tommy. What he takes from the convo is what goes down in his terrible speech to Tommy in the break up scene, and the way he was wording things is probably one of the reasons why Tommy felt the need to bolt like he did.
So Buck did know he wanted more from Tommy, but he's still nebulous on the why. He says he's comfortable with him, that he wants him to move in together, mentions marriage yes, but he still doesn't tell Tommy he loves him. If he knew he loved him, wouldn't it be logical for him to precede the speech with that? But he doesn't. So we must take from that is Buck hasn't realised the depth of his feelings for Tommy.
And this brings me to another point I want to make. Maddie is present for the entirety of Buck's conversation with Josh. So she knows how Buck dodged the "you love him" question and she knows he needed to be coached into seeing the situation from Tommy's perspective. And what does she take from it, after the break up? Buck probably wasn't in love with Tommy, so he's going to bounce back easily. And she probably shared this with Chim, who probably also told the 118 fam cause... He's Chim come on lmao
So we are at the situation where everyone thinks Buck isn't actually in love with Tommy so this is just temporary! Except Buck goes crazy into baking. Still tho everyone this is just one of Buck's quirks that will eventually die out.
Buck is also not clear on his feelings for Tommy! Because baking takes the need to call Tommy off his mind, which probably also means he's not doing any type of meaningful introspection about why this break up is leaving him so off.
This could be all a beautiful set up for Buck to actually realise he's in love already and needs to fight for the relationship, but at this point I'm not exactly confident the writers will handle this well so...
What I would love so much is someone, maybe Maddie since she's the one who was present at the Josh scene, to question Buck on why he's still hung up on Tommy months after the break up saying something on the lines of "you didn't even love him, I don't understand why you are still so hung up on him!" And Buck snapping right at that moment, fed up with all the meddling of his family about not contacting Tommy, without even thinking twice says "But I do love him, Maddie! I fucking love him and you all told me for months to let it go!"
And that's how Buck realises he's in love with Tommy and he goes to fight to get his man back 😌 in a perfect world we'd get this on our screen am I right
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tommy calling buck ‘evan’ during their entire relationship and the first, and only time, he calls him buck is after he breaks up with him. eddie calling buck ‘evan’ only once and it was when he gave buck his goddamn son. the only time tommy called him buck was before leaving and the only time eddie called him evan was when he gave buck proof of him and chris staying. of them wanting buck. of them keeping buck. id say “which could meaning nothing!” but it actually means everything.
#the name thing has always and will always mean something#and with the context of the breakup it means fucking everything and more#kms#buddie#911 abc#911 season 8#911#eddie diaz#evan buckley#911 discourse#911 show#911 speculation#911 lb#911 spoilers#911 fox#oliver stark#ryan guzman#911 s8#118 (vee’s version)
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THAT LOOK THAT BUCK HAD ON THE COUCH OMG THAT WAS THE MOMENT THAT WAS HIS OH MOMENT LIKE HE CAN’T IMAGINE NOT HAVING EDDIE THERE WITH HIM ALL THE TIME
#911 spoilers#911#911 abc#911 season 8#911 speculation#evan buckley#eddie diaz#buddie#I AM SCREAMING
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i’m not her.
#buddie#buddie fanart#evan buck buckley#eddie diaz#911 abc#911 fanart#comic art#911 8x08#911 spoilers#911 speculation#digital art#procreate#fanart#i don’t usually do comics don’t judge too harshly thanks 🫶
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Cat love x #buddie 💙🐱🚒
Commission info
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I would like to know your opinion on what you think will happen in chapter 9, where Tim said in the last interview that between that chapter and 10 everyone's course will change forever????
Then, also, how do you think it will be that with Eddie's possible departure Buck will spin like a top??? The beast boos are taking this as if Buck will begin to realize About the feelings she has for Eddie 🙄
I had a wild thought and I'm gonna share it with this ask.
I feel like maaaaybe everyone's course will change because they all know the serial killer/kidnapper?? Maybe not close knit but, more like the guy who planned the heist. Just in passing or something.
Buck will be spiraling because his best friend is leaving. I think that's normal, especially after being dumped.
There won't be a feelings realization for Buddie.
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Eddie: Kicks the 3rd woman he’s dated out of his house because of repressed catholic guilt after avoiding having sex with her.
Buck: absolutely flailing as a baby disaster bisexual and sending his date running for the hills before they even finish their meal.
Chris, “out of town” somewhere, sitting on a curb and smoking a cigarette: Jesus Christ, these two fucking idiots…
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Buck: Sorry, Eddie, I can't babysit Chris tomorrow night.
Eddie (to Hen): Can you believe this? When did we start calling parenting babysitting?
Hen: Oh, this is gonna be fun watching you realize what you just said.
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i cant wait for all the malicious compliance thats about to ensue in 911 season 8.
gerrard says jump? ravi's like "off which bridge sir?"
gerrard says clean the truck? Eddie says yes sir and cleans his own pick up cuz gerrard never specified which truck.
gerrard says cook dinner? bobby personally researches gerrards food allergies and makes sure not a single dish is edible to him
im waiting for buck and chimney to get into some real amelia bedilia type shit, hen to just straight up ignore him, athena doesnt even fucking work there and shes making gerrards life a living hell towing his car and writing him traffic tickets.
lets sitcom the fuck out of gerrard and get that bitch out of the captains seat.
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