#911 discourse

[kenneth-black]

I think Eddie feels the most comfortable and at home with his abuela because growing up, she was probably the only person in his family who allowed him to be a child while everyone else expected him to be the man of the house. She let him be her little Eddito… 🥺🙃

[gif made by the talented @housewifebuck 🤍]

[tevanbuckley]

I just think if you’re going to justify your hatred of a fictional character bc of shit they said 20 years ago and dismiss any conversation about the nuance of a closeted gay man acting out of self preservation with “why are you defending bigotry?” You can’t then turn around and defend whatever crazy shit rg (a real person btw) is saying this week because you’ve convinced yourself he’s secretly gay and in love with his co-star.

[nqueso-emergency]

I'm up early to catch this silly cowboy flight and I see that Lou has been confirmed to NOT support Trump, Ryan really killed Ryliver and announced he's celibate and loves Jesus, Bestie boos weep, our beloathed tiktok star will be losing tiktok (thus her income. RIP concert tickets and tats??), and most likely Eddie will be celibate now too because Ryan is really trying to model Eddie after himself and tell a story about a straight man who loves his family and friends.

[v88sy]

Beeeeeeeeeecause believing that two canon queer characters who were actually in a relationship might get back together after they had an open ended and very fixable breakup where they both clearly still wanted to be together, is way more ridiculous than believing one of them will suddenly fall for his aggressively straight best friend after 6 years??

[parrishjeanna]

Tim says 8x9 picks up right where 8x8 leaves it. There will be no 3 month time jump. They only filmed it now because JLove has to film in Australia for the next 3-6 months.

I still am feeling 8b make up btw. Three months of them both being miserable without each other would slap so hard if done right. The only thing that concerns me is that they’ve already filmed 809, which kind of implies there’s a cliffhanger there no matter what Tim says.

[acesartemis]

i already saw one inflammatory tag about this so

please do not use RG's personal views as a reason to attack Eddie fans and/or buddie shippers

especially as a way to prop up Tommy and/or bucktommy

there's been enough vitrol thrown around in this fandom, we do not need more.

[shaunashipman]

srsly what the fuck is it about buddie that has "professional" "journalists" acting like fucking twat children? throwing a little bitch fit because you got called out for spreading false information and given proof of it being false, and then the fucking EIC of the publication backs them up? it's a basic bitch ship that for some reason has ppl foaming at the fucking mouth and losing any shred of professionalism they may have had.

image acting like such cunts and then the ship you harassed a shitload of ppl for, the ship that made you show every actual legitimate publication that they should never ever hire you, just never goes canon. because if you actually listened to what rg says instead of going into every interview looking for buddie hints, you'd see him clearly saying it's never gonna happen

[kinardsboy]

[tevanbuckley]

some low points from the ry*an g*zman interview because i need you all to feel my pain.

when talking about his celibacy (yes he uses that word): "I haven't entertained any interactions with any other females" — gave me the ick 0/10

uses the phrase "a woman's touch," to explain why women are inherently good at interior decorating(?) and that this skill is how women are able to enrich a successful man's life — side note: at no point do they talk about how men enrich women’s lives.

immediately after this the religious imagery takes a left turn and exits my frame of reference, bc instead of just asking "do you think you still have things to work on?" like a normal person, the host says "I want to know what one Thorn is in your flesh." — someone raised more religious than i was needs to chime in on if this is normal christian doctrine or a sign he might be in a cult. (is it a reference to the thorns in jesus' crown?)

ryan makes a weird comment about how "you've seen civilizations built on [a man in love]" — genuinely idk what the fuck this means — but it leads into a tangent about like, men as providers and how "I would do anything for my women."

"peace is key yeah we got enough problems in the world outside the house and so long as I come back to the house and I get peace," — maybe i'm being pedantic but the way he keeps framing woman as belonging in the home is 🚩🚩🚩🚩

"for the next woman I would have in my life I can see that they navigate their their problems and still offer peace to their men." — again 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

surprisingly claims he has been to therapy, which assuming is true, idk it worked.

the host: "women may be fighting internal battles you know kind of themselves do you believe that a woman still fighting those battles are able to still bring peace" — because remember ladies, no matter what you're going through your job is to bring peace to your man's home.

there's some more brief gender essentialist bs where ryan talks about how men "like to fix things," but are bad listeners, and how "problems within women are so specific to women that I wouldn't even try and and say that I have a grasp on them."

then the host randomly asks him if he thinks men need to be financially stable before entering a relationship or if dating a broke guy is a way to "present loyalty."

weirdly ryan actually kind of dodges this question, but ends up suggesting social media is a good place to get "great examples of what does and what doesn't seem to work." in relationships — and no. no it isn't.

oh and then he starts talking about conor mcgregor for some reason? and how it's bad he disrespected his wife by stepping outside their marriage — and i mean sure, although infidelity feels second to the rape accusations??

says it's harder for a woman to come into a man's life when he's already established because "now the man has proven to himself that he never needed a woman." — which, interesting given how later he talks about how women need to stop trying to do the independent woman thing.

he also gets weirdly possessive over his daughter at one point. does the classic "God forbid I find out that man disrespects my little baby." — idk, on the surface he talks about how he wants her to know her value, but it seems like he has a pretty limited view of what that value is.

the host drops lore about how she moved out of her parents house at 14/15 and how she had to "stop thinking like a woman and start thinking also like a man," but stay feminine and "know what a man wants and how to cater to that but also still be soft." — i mean good lord, i don't even know where to start 🤢.

this btw is the preamble to ryan's rant about "independent women."

and god the more i read the more i am deeply concerned about the woman hosting (i saw someone earlier say she's 21). this woman is barely an adult and has so much internalised misogyny, talking about how "us women don't know how to direct our emotions." and "in today's generation a lot of men are deprived of even the small things because a lot of women are takers."

this whole interview is utterly bizarre and i feel like it's taken years off my life. like i said earlier, this isn't a normal podcast he got weird on, this is straight up christian propaganda

[nqueso-emergency]

Here's the receipts for this post.

Celibate Ryan and religion:

Lou NOT being a Trump supporter:

[stolenkissesdiaz]

tommy calling buck ‘evan’ during their entire relationship and the first, and only time, he calls him buck is after he breaks up with him. eddie calling buck ‘evan’ only once and it was when he gave buck his goddamn son. the only time tommy called him buck was before leaving and the only time eddie called him evan was when he gave buck proof of him and chris staying. of them wanting buck. of them keeping buck. id say “which could meaning nothing!” but it actually means everything.

[starstruckbyacomet]

This is what happened when TV shows BAIT people to watch. They put on cosmetics instead of showing what they can actually give. Audience would eventually realize that the shows have overpromised and underdelivered. In the case of 9-1-1:

They did big disaster emergency stories in season openings. Ratings were always the highest on these episodes. The episodes right after? Ratings were back to normal, as if the audience has known that the big emergency only last for the first 3 episodes. The rating decline was steep, not even gradual.

They gave a romcom story to draw attention to Buck's bisexual awakening. Once the awakening was done, the love story was thrown out of the window. A lot of people were feeling duped and angry (duh 🙄). Many are ready to leave the show right after.

They baited Buddie shippers with potential canon Buddie for years. However, for the bisexual awakening story, they paired Buck with another man when they could actually make Buddie canon. They could even gain more attention, if they chose to pair Buck with Eddie instead of a less-known male character like Tommy! Buddie shippers who have realized that they'd been duped might leave the show.

They abandoned the teamwork and found family spirit which have drawn long-term fans so far. And for what? For a pat-on-the back meta story, which was felt odd & isolated because it was told at the expense of the main characters' stories? Long-term fans were disappointed and dubbed Season 8A as even worst than the shortened Season 7.

If they don't do a massive overhaul on Season 8B, who's gonna still watch the show? General audience who has nothing better to do? Buddie and Tevan shippers who are still expecting to see their ships materialize on screen somehow? I doubt such leftover audience could justify the orbitant cost to produce the show, especially not when ABC had cheaper scripted shows with better performance.

not to get into 911 cancellation #discourse because i think everyone has made up their minds by now, BUT i would like to point out that when people are discussing the end of the show coming sooner rather than later it is not ONLY because of the ratings. "can we stop acting like 911 is on the verge of cancellation when the ratings are still good for abc omg" the ratings are decent. but they're not what they used to be. the ratings continuing to fall, even a fraction, is not going to HELP abc going forward because 911 remains one of the most expensive shows on these non-cable networks. we're already seeing cost-cutting measures this season with more episodes on the schedule. what's a hypothetical season 9 gonna look like? season 10? is 911 even worth keeping on the air if the quality of the product is directly tied to how much money abc is willing to put into it the longer it goes on?

[kenneth-black]

Eddie was basically like “so when can i have my husband back?” 😭😭😭

[the doctors & nurses totally think these two are married atp 🤭]

[madlori]

On rewatch, one of the things that struck me about Buck and Tommy's interactions in 8x05, apart from the often-mentioned implied comfort levels and caretaking, is that Buck is no longer in awe of Tommy.

When he first met him, he was this Cool Guy. A Cool Guy Buck wanted to get to know. At the harbor tour, at the basketball game, in the loft scene, on their first date - Buck's a bit starry-eyed. He's got a whiff of hero-worship and I'm-not-worthy about him, he's talking about Tommy's confidence and his cleft to his sister in giggly tones like he's got a big old crush, which he does.

It maybe starts to ease up a bit on the coffee date, where he's treating Tommy more like someone who could be a partner to him.

By the time we see them in 8x05, that transition's complete.

Buck's not in awe of this guy anymore. And that's a good thing. Not that he doesn't think Tommy's cool anymore, but...they're past that. Tommy's not this unreachable Hot Pilot Firefighter that Buck's swooning over. He's his boyfriend. His partner. His everyday, shows up for him, comfortable in his home, boyfriend. He's seen Tommy drool in his sleep, seen his morning hair, smelled him when he needs a shower. Tommy's seen him sweaty from a workout, splattered with the latest cooking mishap, tripping over his own feet.

Tommy's no longer a guy Buck's trying to be cool around, trying to be what he thinks Tommy wants, trying to say just the right thing. He doesn't have to be cautious anymore. He's being himself. He's pouting. He's rambling about curses. He's saying "Oh, so I am gross!" petulantly. He doesn't even seem self-conscious to have Tommy see him with boils all over his face (but he's grumpy not to be getting kissed).

He's not worried about impressing this guy anymore. He's past the point where he needs to be on his best behavior. It's done. Tommy's impressed. He's all in. They both are.

[starstruckbyacomet]

This is the hurdle that we want. Not whatever crap on 8x06 was 👿.

I, like others here, hate the retcon of Abby being Tommy's ex, but the funny part is that now, in retrospect, it is canon that Tommy has been part of the show story and the history of Buck's romantic relationships since episode 01. He's been there even before us being introduced to Buck and his search for love and Tommy is the reason Abby perhaps waited and looked for someone like Buck at that time, which led to Buck realizing the kind of relationship he wanted, which wasn't with Abby, but ironically he found it when he met Tommy, at least for a moment.

Listen, if the timeline made any sense at all I might, might, be okay with the Abby thing. Because, 911 is a soap opera and after the doppelgänger storyline it’s not even far fetched.

And it could’ve been a good hurdle too. Buck realizing just how much Tommy hid about himself over the years, how little they know about each other after being together 6 months, and wondering what else Tommy might be hiding now. How much more is there to Tommy that Buck doesn’t understand?

And Tommy could have been rightfully weirded out by them both dating the same woman. Could have gotten defensive when Buck started asking questions. “What else don’t we know about each other? What was your time in the army like? I think we should discuss all of our exes and what led to the end of the relationship.”

It could’ve been a first fight. An “are we ready for this? Are we willing to put in the work?” Tommy has to admit he’s built walls that he’s terrified of breaking down. Buck has to admit he overanalyzes things and comes to the worst conclusions without having all the information. It could’ve been an actual hurdle, where they recognize their flaws and choose to work on them.

But, it’s just a repeated storyline Tim Minear and Ryan Murphy seem to do with gay characters who come out later in life. And it never leads anywhere meaningful. And it was a quickly stolen idea from what was supposed to remain within our fiction, which shows just how little thought Tim actually put into it.

[santakinard]

"Tommy is nothing"

Tommy is the only other canon gay male character after Josh that we've seen since Michael and David left

Tommy was Buck's bisexual awakening and that will ALWAYS be important

Tommy haunted the narrative after he left AND Buck kept on stress baking which is something we haven't seen with any of his love interests, not even with Abby

And, most importantly, Tommy sure isn't nothing to all the queer ppl who saw this flawed character who grew to be a better person and had major baggage similar to what a lot of us go through and was able to relate to him on a personal level

In conclusion: Tommy is NOT nothing. Not to the narrative and especially not to us

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