#911 discourse

[ohithankyou]

bucktommy antis: when bucktommy breakup, all bucktommies will crawl back to where they came from

bucktommies after bucktommy broke up: bucktommy mpreg and #tommybubblesbuck and loving bucktommy and tommy even harder than before

[mari-lwyd-cryptid-blog]

Oh hell no are you hating on Maddie for not telling Buck to "go fight for tommy" do you not understand sibling relationships? I would not tell either of my siblings to go fight for their ex that dumped them?

[nqueso-emergency]

[louisferrignojr]

uhh.. yikes?

[stolenkissesdiaz]

saw a post about how buck is “bad at gifting” then they go on to list how he knows exactly what to give chris and eddie and i just. can we talk about how one of eddie’s main problems in his romantic relationships is communicating and being present with his partner but then he turns to buck and says shit like ‘there’s nobody in this world i trust with my son more than you’ and ‘if i die you become chris’ legal guardian’ and ‘you can have my back any day’ all while always being there for buck and saying the things buck needs to hear and even. even!! sometimes he doesn’t say shit at all. he’s just. there. with buck, for buck, by bucks side. i feel crazy.

[parrishjeanna]

This is so true

can’t get over how badly tim has screwed the pooch on this one. not only are they throwing away a character who was compelling, popular, and had so, so much potential, they’re throwing away an actor who was, frankly, willing to put up with all the bullshit that came with this role.

they can write another love interest for buck at the end of the day, but who the fuck are they gonna find to play them? especially when they probably won’t get a fraction of the support tommy/lou got.

[apdreadful]

It’s almost like people don’t remember what it was like to be gay and have to hide who you are to survive.

You want me to tell you what being queer was like for my circle of friends in mid-late 90’s early aughts in Washington DC?

It was always going out in a group. Rarely or never alone.

It was that small sense of relief when you got a parking space close to the doors at Traxx. Because it was shitty part of town and homophobes were everywhere. And sometimes they had an axe (yep..We were chased by a guy with a fucking axe)

It was not even admitting to yourself who you were, so you dated and sometimes even got engaged to a woman before coming out of the closet.

It was standing with a group of people and laughing when your boss, your co-worker or your frat brother made a gay joke because what the fuck else could you do?

Let me tell you I knew plenty of closeted gay men who were just like Tommy and worse, at work and in mixed company, before the world starting barfing rainbows and singing RuPaul songs.

So when you continue to spit vitriol and tear down Tommy Kinard over previous words and actions when he was in the damn closet.

All you’re showing is your ignorance. And perhaps your privilege

[sunglassesmish]

idk how everyone is so positive about this honestly. the question is literally whether the relationship is in the past and then he says ‘yes for sure but tommy could come back but not for a romantic thing!’

all i see is what happened with abby all over again. i wish i could be positive but i’m sorry. i can’t.

[azaharinflames]

helloooo there

so. today i’m coming at y’all with a bit of an ask:

Please do not make assumptions.

It’s fun to speculate, to have our theories, I get that. I love to join in on the fun.

But I find it a bit harmful to just spread ‘Oh, this is happening because Oliver told Tim he doesn’t want to do it’

We don’t know that. We don’t know Oliver, we don’t know Tim, we don’t know anything that actually happened.

Yeah Oliver was wrong in his interview post 806. I’m not denying that, and the people who were upset (me included) were right to feel that way. But he didn’t say he’d been texting Tim for months to get the relationship to end. He did say he’d be texting Tim, but we don’t know for how long. We know they’d filmed the scene mid september and this interview was done a couple of weeks ago. So why are we assuming he was texting Tim since what, June?

We don’t know. And I think it’s falling into dangerous (and potentially buddie-like) rhetoric. If we see BT growing back together, great. If we don’t, we will always have fanon and this space, but I think it’d be still unfair to just blame someone, when we don’t know.

I don’t mean to sound mean, and if you’re frustrated with Oliver’s words you can express them. But let’s just not assume the worst in people.

[loulovingho]

yall get so fuckin worked up over buck and tommy but dont give a shit about hen and karen. "representation matters" my ass

Oh fuck off! I’m gonna be real honest for a second here and tell you that hen and karen as a couple was destroyed for me with the cheating storyline. That was a big fuck up on the show’s part imo and it was never properly addressed. I lose all interest in a couple when cheating gets involved so, while I love both karen and hen individually and I think they have sweet moments, that relationship will honestly never mean much to me. It’s my personal feelings towards cheating and it doesn’t matter who the couple was, I’d feel the same way.

Also I was excited for bi rep! And the promise of positive bi rep, where Oliver said he hoped that their issues didn’t revolve around the fact they were queer. I was so excited for that! I should have known better.

I was excited for a character like Tommy too. Someone with flaws and baggage and things to work through. New storylines from an interesting character that could be both personal and professional seeing as he’s a firefighter too (with the bonus of being a pilot!). They constantly brought up his desire for family, which made us (the audience) want him to have one.

But yeah, go enjoy hen and karen and their 500th storyline about kid problems.

[lazyturtlehottub]

A breakdown of the Fangirlish interview: an exercise in media literacy

Given that the reaction to Buck and Tommy breaking up has been exacerbated by those interviews, I thought I would look into the one from Fangirlish in order to look at it with my media literacy hat on and see what was actually said. So, here’s a link to a version that doesn’t give the writer clicks because you should make up your own mind before providing revenue to the platform https://archive.ph/fqhlE

We start off with the headline: Lou Ferrigno Jr. on Saying Goodbye to 9-1-1, That Breakup and What’s Next

Right away, as the reader, we’re immediately told that LFJ is saying goodbye to 9-1-1, the implication being that this is the end of the road, no going back. This is, I will say, a choice that the writer made when they created the article: they decide on the headline, no one else. Going in, our mind has already been positioned to believe that this is an exit interview and to understand everything that comes next through that lens.

Supporting this path is this: “Lou Ferrigno Jr.’s time on 9-1-1 has come to an end[...]” but it’s important to note that no one has said this but the author of the article. At no point does she provide a statement from ABC, Tim Minnear, or LFJ to back this statement up.

Another unsubstantiated statement she makes is: “For Ferrigno Jr. it wasn’t exactly the way he envisioned the end of his time on the show [...]” Yet again, at no point in what she quotes from Lou does he say this at all. This is her take on the conversation and she has provided not a scintilla of evidence to support this statement. What she does provide is the following quote from LFJ:

“With the way things were going, and the connection that they had, I was under the impression that it was working, and they were connected,” he shared.

Putting this in the context of the interview, it does make it sound like Lou was blindsided by the break up, which is a very normal thing considering that we all know the actors barely know what’s happening even when they have the script. It’s not surprising that Lou didn’t know about the break-up since even Oliver Stark mentions that he didn’t know about it until they began filming, even though the possibility had been floated some episodes earlier.

So while this quote in the context the writer’s given does seem pretty final, if we remove the exit interview lens from it, it just reads as an actor expressing his surprise at the path his character is going.

Continuing on, the writer then writes the following: Ferrigno Jr. admits he had issues with this ending [...]

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, she doesn’t provide a quote to back this up. What she does right is frame the next quote as [...] but trying to get into the mindset of Tommy [...], which changes the context of the quote that Lou gives.

“If preserving his emotional health and saving himself is the only means to survive, then you can’t shame him for it.” He went on to add, “I honestly don’t believe that the relationship matured well enough that they should have made any type of long-term decision.”

So she makes a statement that says LFJ has issues with the ending and then immediately moves on to talk about the acting choices Lou had to go through in order to understand where Tommy was during the scene.

Perhaps the most direct quote from Lou about the relationship that sounds troubling with regards for the future of Buck and Tommy is this: “I just would have hoped that it would have lasted a little bit more,” he also told us, adding that in the hour we also have Buck “looking at those girls, and that sucks for Tommy, and it sucks for any person that’s looking at their partner looking at someone else.”

Taking this with the fact that this has been positioned as an exit interview, I agree that it does sound damning, but if you remove that filter from it then I believe it reads as an actor expressing mild regret that he didn’t get to play this stage of the character and this relationship more. However, I will admit, that this is open for interpretation given that we don’t know where this came in the interview since we don’t know what prompted this answer.

And for Ferrigno Jr., he admits he knew the two were done for good when he realized his character would call Buck “Buck.” I feel I’m a looping record but where in the interview does he say that? He doesn’t say that at all in the quote that she provides below.

She writes: Instead, Ferrigno Jr. told us that Tommy “only knows the man in front of him, Evan. And I knew it was going to come [the moment he called him Buck] because he’s always saying Evan all the time. I’m looking at a character that I’m playing, and he’s just like Evan, Evan, Evan, and in that line, I was just like… I knew this was going to happen.”

“And he doesn’t have to say that. He still can say Evan. But that is essentially signalling that this is all I know how to do, and it’s too much.”

Linked with what LFJ said earlier about Tommy protecting himself, this quote from him makes sense in the fact that Tommy called him Buck to protect himself from the hurt, to try and create some walls between them. But the writer has made this sweeping statement that he knew it was the end, implying that the relationship is at a permanent end when nothing LFJ has said supports that.

And then we move onto the bit that really highlights the bias that this article has been written around. The writer asks Lou: Could the show have been using Tommy as a roadblock to a possible Buck and Eddie relationship?

Getting into the professionalism of this question is for another time but I��ve added it here so you can see the fact that this is someone who is focused on the Buddie of it all. Evidence that supports this is in the author’s various tweets and the coverage of 9-1-1 on their website.

And I know we’re all worried about LFJ’s scheduling conflicts but I will posit that it was a standard answer from an actor who is just doing his job. In his words: “I would absolutely love to come back, but I do need to continue on my journey here. I have a number of things now that are going on that may or may not happen, and I hope that there’s no conflict if it were to be the case.”

Basically, this article is written from the point of view of it being an exit interview but at no point is evidence provided from official sources to support that statement. Throughout it all, Lou’s answers are framed within the narrative that the break-up is permanent and that he’s gone from the show for good.

I hope that this has been interesting and informative for those of you who have read it, and I hope it serves as a reminder that media literacy is for everyone, not just for an attack from those on social media against fans being publicly disappointed that a queer relationship has broken up, temporarily or otherwise.

[nqueso-emergency]

I'm sorry but these people are fucking flat earthers because what the actual FUCK?

Bigfoot called, he said, 'catch me outside.'

WAY TOO COORDINATED 😭

Curious why SWAT has kept him around for EIGHT FUCKING YEARS... he was only in 2 episodes last season and the season before that... where was #WeRideWithRocker??

... I... I did????!!! Where??? 🤣🤣🤣😭😭

You guys are so pathetic. Talk about your fanon ship and leave the actor of our ship alone.

[madlori]

What if Buck gets a new male love interest and he's really great and then we have a THREE WAY ship war?

That sounds fun.

[kinardsboy]

Sorry im still not over this;

Swat, one of THE copaganda shows ever is like: hey prison slave labor is bad! Prisoners deserve humane conditions! This prison owner should be jailed! We have to do things the legal way! This warrant turned out to be based on illegally obtained info? Cant use the evidence sorry! The system is severely broken and needs serious reform! Lets show a woman of color leading the charge to make these reforms happen!

And 9-1-1 the found family show is like: lol lets have Athena break the law every episode 🤪lets have her take the side of the cops when her family is racially profiled 🤪lets have Harry get in trouble for defending himself against a racist AND have his mom not believe him at first then still ground him, while the instigator faces no repercussions🤪🤪!!

Like what is happening how is swat doing things better

[tevanbuckley]

still laughing at that bddie journalist defending themselves by saying they asked lou “hard questions” because “that’s their job.”

girl, all due respect you’re interviewing a guy about his role on network procedural 911, not breaking watergate. wtf do you mean hard questions?

[stolenkissesdiaz]

tommy calling buck ‘evan’ during their entire relationship and the first, and only time, he calls him buck is after he breaks up with him. eddie calling buck ‘evan’ only once and it was when he gave buck his goddamn son. the only time tommy called him buck was before leaving and the only time eddie called him evan was when he gave buck proof of him and chris staying. of them wanting buck. of them keeping buck. id say “which could meaning nothing!” but it actually means everything.