#people can dislike a character and/or ship

[rosewood-multifandom-writer]

My long, nuanced answer to this poll about shipping:

I like to think about different possibilities of a ship regardless on if it’s canon or not canon, and the majority of my ships are not canon. Which I’m okay with because corpos sometimes tend to mess up canon couples anyway ESPECIALLY most LGBT+ couples, so that is why I am 100% content with say, Destiel not being canon. Don’t worry, I’m not using that Destiel meme that has been used very distastefully nor am I swearing with my whole chest until I run out of oxygen that Dean is bisexual in canon. You can take a breather. Specified ships aside, I like romance, and I love it even better when it’s well written and the couple has the best chemistry.

When it comes to others that love toxic ships, that is a whole different discussion for those particular shippers to have, and I prefer ships that have a lot of chemistry or potential chemistry over toxic ships, so I’m not the right person to discuss the nuances of toxic ships. So the toxic ship lovers can throw their opinions onto this reblog if they want.

I’ve also had ships where they were off-screen, and I was like, “but what if they actually did interact?” I always think about the personality traits that would make the characters compatible with each other. This is NOT a romantic ship, this is purely a familial relationship possibility that I have not seen anyone do yet: Jason Todd and Terry McGinnis. Think about it, people. Jason has a few similar traits to Terry and Jason would definitely find himself relating to Terry more than some of the other Batfamily members. Plus, it would be refreshing to see those two interact and have Jason not be constantly fighting with the Batfamily, specifically Bruce Wayne. I get that his opinions and views are very different from everyone else in the Batfamily, but it gets old fast. Like an old and hardened Jason Todd will probably incorporate some cool non-lethal wrist guns on Terry’s suit after testing it out and even sparring with Terry while (playfully) teasing him because that’s what older siblings do: annoy and taunt their younger siblings. With love. Seriously though, I think Jason and Terry would have the best brotherly relationship out of the Batfam. Or maybe I’m just alone in that teeny tiny minority lol. Call it a rare BROTP.

Fanon in shipping is a mixed bag, because on one hand, I go, “yeah, I can definitely see this happening with Character A,” but on the other, there is like OP said, mischaracterization. I like most ships even if it involves a character who is canonically spoken for or has explicitly shown attraction to only the opposite gender with another character with ZERO cheating, because I don’t need ships to follow canon. And when cheating gets involved I’m thinking, “yeah no, given the loyalty this character gave in canon, this is out of their character, so skipping!” That is where fanon comes into play. But if I dislike the fanon, then I create my own.

Shipping has no rules, except just respect other people’s boundaries, so I’m not gonna tell people “ew gross, why you following canon,” or “Blegh, why do you like this fanon, it’s so blah blah blah!” My opinions on canon vs fandom are nuanced. Canon can sometimes give us some cute pairings (like Kiara and Kovu from Lion King 2, my GOATED OTP) but canon also gives us icky ones or messes up a fairly nice couple (like Gambit and Rogue from the latest X-Men cartoon from what I heard and saw clips of). There are also non-canon ships that have made me scratch my head, made me feel indifferent, or I’m just like “I don’t get why anyone would ship this, but whatever.” And again, shipping has no rules, except just respect the boundaries of other people. Canon or not, have some fun with your ships. Let’s not start wars over ships and making non-shippers think that ALL of us act that way.

Hey, I wanna talk about how we do fandom! I've come to realize that I, personally, tend to differ from many others in that I highly prefer to only engage with a text as it's written, so I don't tend to really like fanon/extremely ooc characterizations and I find it hard to get invested in ships that aren't canon. My way of doing fandom isn't better or worse than anyone else's, but I am curious about how much of a minority I'm in! So:

*We've all seen ships of characters not from the same media and stuff like shipping the concept of ennui with the color blue, okay, I'm asking what you, personally, find compelling!

[nqueso-emergency]

What did Lou do?

If it was the memes, than none of these people would stay fans of OS and *especially* RG. So it's not that.

Is it the fact he made Cameos ? Can't be that since Gavin is also on there.

Is it that he openly shared his personal headcanon about the character he was portraying? No, because nothing he said was offensive or negative and he never misled anyone about it being his personal pov.

Is it that he's disliked by the cast? Obviously not given the very sweet and positive things Tracey, Aisha, and several other cast members have said about him.

Is it the fact that people say he's a Trump supporter despite zero evidence? Definitely not because you could just as easily assume that about RG given his history (and current IG follows).

Is it that he gives interviews and answers questions honestly about being disappointed in the storyline for a character he cares deeply about? He was already off the show at that point so what is there to be mad about? Also, he's right, it was an unsatisfying ending. So can't be that. Is it because you still genuinely think he was the one to post some bizarro kpop meme to a hyper specific fandom account, yet there's no screenshot? Or that he hacked someone? No one can be that gullible.

Is it because you saw him liking fan art and tattoos? Nah. There are whole accounts dedicated to celebrating every time RG and OS like or comment on fan works.

Is it because he's in secret psychic communication with BT nation and whenever our antennas go boop it's a new message from him about which hashtag to post on IG? Now that's just silly. Is it because Lou portrayed a character that threatened the fanon ship you've based your entire identity on and you aren't mature enough to deal with those emotions without turning someone into a cartoon villain?

Such a mystery. lmk what you think in the comments!

🤭

[sleepymccoy]

Okay so something happened in the trekdom (is that a term anyone has ever used)

I think spirk got canonised?? Or something?? And I assume that as my certified Trekkie Mutual you feel some kinda way about this. you’re a Spones shipper but still how we doing?

I'm sure someone's used trekdom! It makes sense as a word regardless

I appreciate the Trekkie certification lol

Yeah dude, look. Most of the fandom is big into spirk so like people enjoying that romance is par for the course! I got nothing against spirk, it's just a bit of a boring dynamic so I don't really spend time on it. Too healthy for my tastes. Spones is way more juicy, it's got the tension and the sort of different world views that you see in good omens, so it's fun!

To be clear tho, spirk is as canon as it's ever been. Strong subtext, but in the way that a homophobe could watch it and say well they're just good friends. Nothing has changed in that sense, it's just another bit of footage doing more of the same. It's less gay than a lot of the original series, but it's new and shiny so on a surface level i get the excitement

Shatner, who plays Kirk, has done this as a non canon short film. It's apparently considered as canon as the novels? Which is like, not much. Most people don't engage. I haven't really looked into that, im not gonna watch it cos it kind of pisses me off

The thing that really fucks my goat about it is that the guy who plays Spock died a while ago, and didn't get along with the guy who plays Kirk. But the guy who plays Kirk has funded and produced and managed this whole thing to be about his character and his importance, regardless of the wishes of the original Spock actor. Including literally doing someone up in prosthetics to look more like Nimoy. Not just Spock generally, but specifically Nimoy's Spock. Nimoy was involved in star trek films in his late life, and he didn't choose to do this when he was alive. Only after his death has Shatner forced this to happen

That's what's leaving a really bad taste in my mouth. And I feel like people are either not accepting Nimoy's death and are happy to see him puppeted by someone he disliked, which makes me pity them. I work in aged care so I know I'm more comfortable with death than the average, but like. This is a bit fucking dark, no? It's maudlin, let him rest in peace for fucks sake.

That, or they don't mind the manipulation of his image if it tickles their ship, which makes me dislike them. And I don't think I'll really get over that any time soon, it's so disrespectful. And those are both negative feelings, so I'm kind of generally not pleased about my dash rn

I'm trying to take an angle of being about McCoy cos he doesn't feature in the short and that feels wrong. Spock-centric stuff is feeling a little tainted right now, but I'm sure that'll pass. Fanart is different to this kind of image stealing, but it's still weird for me rn. And as much as I love Kirk, I can't remove him from Shatner and his megalomania right now. I hope that'll pass, but I don't think Shatner's gonna stop here so. Hm.

Besides I like McCoy and he's not complicated by all this so I'm just continuing to play in my little sandbox

It's a weird time for trekdom. There's a bit of a rift, and not down shipping lines. I'm seeing a lot of posts working through their complicated feeling around the disrespect inherent in stealing Nimoy's face for Shatner. And I'm seeing other people celebrate the disrespect cos their ship held hands and that makes it worth it.

I'm hoping people overwhelmingly calm down a bit in a week, get a bit embarassed about how pleased they were over something so gross, and it just sort of goes away. Then we can all go back to having a go at Shatner for his constant sexism and homophobia

At least it's not fucking AI tho!

[roblogging]

I don’t know about anyone else, but I think a lot of cis straight women who write mlm typically write mlm because it’s nice to write a love story with out the inherent power inbalance that all straight relationships have.

YES !!! 100% yes, this is a point i make in this video !!!

i mean,,, i'm coming at it from a different perspective as someone who read only mlm prior to coming out as trans, but it's the same concept - wanting to disconnect from your own identity and fall head over heels into something else.

it's nice to read stories where your inferiority isn't part of it, where you aren't subjected to patriarchial values or situations, and you can just,,, enjoy the story, you know? and i think mlm ships, more so than wlw ships, provide that escapism more.

i think i also talk a bit in that video about mainstream media and the effects that has, especially in a fandom space. marauders for example, the core four are men and the people they are connected to *canonically* are mostly men - we know more about them and how they navigate the world, and that makes for more interesting stories. (see here: "but regulus has barely any cano-" he does but also,,, he's the brother of a core character, hence why he's developed a lot)

we can also get messy with the men, you know? we see it a lot in mainstream media *and* fandom where a "messy" woman (a human being with flaws and mistakes) is criticised for being misogynistic etc etc, and we lose complexity through that (i'm looking at you, platonic snily deniers /hj but fr, that is the most central part of her character imo)

but marlene and dorcas for example? we only know about two facts, including how they died, and we don't even know if they were in the same year as the marauders, so it's more of a gradual development than taking developed male characters - mainstream media sucks man :/ god forbid we get developed women.

so yes !!! i stronglyyy dislike the fetishisation argument because whilst there is 100% the chance that that is why people write and engage in those stories, 99.9% of the time it isn't and people either (1) like that escapism that comes from reading without your inferiority as a woman coming into play (2) like reading more complex stories that we typically get with men, especially since we allow them to get more "messy" and (3) they just,,, like the characters.

there's a big gap between the consumption of mlm media and the consumption of wlw, but i don't think demonising mlm and reducing it to just sexual fantasies and fetish desires is progressive at all,,, less so even.

[eldritchbeingisbored]

Are you saying you hate when people try to act like they're cannon or you hate the ships alltogether?

I think that it is unreasonable to say that you don't want gay ships made with characters that are canonically straight to be in fandom space. I don't know if that was your intention with this post, though. If that wasn't your intention, that's fine. I have no problem with people talking about ships they dislike (although if it's all they say, that can get a bit negative for my liking). I also have no problem with criticizing people for being a bit over zealous when it comes to any ship.

I don't think that you should take people shipping a gay ship as an insult to the straight ship that you prefer. Again, I don't want to put words in your mouth, so if that wasn't your intention, feel free to correct me.

People who love gay ships don't hate straight ships. I think is is important for the queer community to be able to ship characters because they don't get as much representation in media. Fandom is going to be a space where people will ship ships that are not cannon.

Next time you want to slander a non cannon gay ship, ask yourself what you would say if it was a straight ship. If you say that you would think of them differently because a character is unconfirmed or canonically straight, why do you consider those things to be so different?Queer people can still have internalized homophobia. I'm not saying that you do, but it is something to look out for in all of us.

If you don't like it, just scroll past and don't interact with it. I don't like reading gender swapped fics (where the charachter identifies as another gender, cis or trans), so I don't read them. I'm sorry if you are in a fandom where the majority of the content is that ship. I think you can filter it out (at least on ao3) if you want.

I hope this response was nuanced enough. I don't want to come off as portraying this as a black and white issue.

Also, this is from a bi guy. I'm not some random straight dude barging in on this commentary of queer fandom culture.

Sorry that this is essay length.

Thank you for reading. (:

Just a little reminder for you ppl who are delusional

Geto and gojo are not gay 💀

You guys can fight and argue all day but that won't change the fact that they aren't gay 😭

I just saw someone who is so bothered by the fact geto and gojo aren't gay like it's not that serious

Idk why some of you hate straight ships

Sorry but SatoSugu has to be one of the most annoying ships ever

I don't like SatoSugu and I will never like it the same goes for SaneGiyuu most of the people who ship one or the other has the most annoying delusional toxic fan base 😭 actually the two of them have the most toxic fan base 😰

And no I'm not homophobic just bc I don't ship SatoSugu and SaneGiyuu I just don't really like gay ships coming from a bisexual person I lean more towards the straight ones

But for some of you guys are out of control it's annoying idk why you guys can't just let two males be friends without you guys shipping them

[littlerosetrove]

This is just too ridiculous and stupid to not comment on.

People who are anti-Tommy are full on ignoring the canonical fact that Tommy and Eddie are friends. They were friends before Buck and Tommy were ever a couple. Eddie has willfully hung out with and spent time with Tommy separately from Buck, because both Eddie and Tommy do and are allowed to exist outside of Buck. Eddie introduced Tommy to his son, which we all know is a big deal, and Chris thinks Tommy is cool and likes him.

Without Buck, we know Tommy and Eddie have and probably continue to do the following together: - play basketball - go to trivia nights at a bar - practice Muay Thai - watch MMA fights - hung out with Chris before he left - worked on cars (correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure they both have a thing for cars/trucks) - and just generally hung out

So no, it was not weird or awkward for Tommy to be present at the birthday call with Chris. Why? Again, Chris already has a bond with Tommy. Tommy is Eddie's friend, and in this particular case, the scene informed us (that are paying attention and not being willfully obtuse) that Eddie is comfortable enough and close enough with Tommy to want him to be in this situation that Eddie knew is vulnerable for himself. Eddie had only invited Buck and Eddie, but no one else.

The only thing that was "awkward" was that Eddie had balloons and party hats for everyone to celebrate his sons 14th birthday. It was awkward because we can see that Eddie still sees Chris as his little baby boy, but Chris isn't the 9-year-old who would have loved and been won over more easily with such things. It was awkward and painful to see that Eddie is missing out on his sons life, and as someone else in fandom described it, Eddie has kind of frozen Chris in time in his mind. Frozen Chris just before things went to shit, and maybe even before that. It was painful to see Chris brush off his dad, but also Buck and Tommy. It was a little awkward to see Eddie have this air of "everything his fine," when we know it's not, but that's something he'll need to confront and work on.

Anti-Tommy people are saying "Buck awkwardly dragged his boyfriend to Eddie's, and Eddie was clearly 'uh this is weird, but he can stay I guess'." Congratulations, you're painting Buck to be a bad and rather dense friend in this situation, and I don't know if you realize it, but hey, anything to paint Tommy as the odd one out and/or the bad guy.

But y'all really think Buck would bring just any partner (or anyone for that matter) to this situation? Buck fully knows that things are not great right now between Eddie and Chris, and you think Buck would "drag along" just any partner into this delicate situation? Seriously?? But again, no one dragged anyone anywhere because Eddie clearly had invited his friends.

I've also seen the added take of "this is like Taylor Kelly all over again." Y'all are truly grasping at straws here. There is nothing comparable about Tommy and Taylor Kelly. Tommy is Eddie's friend. Taylor Kelly was never friends with Eddie, they tolerated each other for Buck's sake, and frankly I'm sure Buck was aware of this. Taylor Kelly had dinner at Eddie's house one time, and she was uncomfortable the whole time. Tommy, if we're all paying attention, has been at Eddie's house multiple times, and was comfortably helping set up decorations and, again, just being there for his friend.

Good gosh y'all, and this was just the first episode. I know it's going to get worse, and that's why I'm blocking, unfollowing, and blacklisting with ease. No kidding, because I saw this *points at post* nonsense from people I was following - one person I hadn't expected because they'd had good thoughts and takes on 911 in the past - I unfollowed 5-6 people/blogs just today.

Edit: to be clear as well, no I'm not putting Tommy in the same category as Buck in terms of the kind of relationship Chris has with Buck or Eddie has with Buck. I know they're different. Simply, Eddie is friends with Tommy, and Chris likes Tommy too.

[littencloud9]

bsd fandom has always mischaracterised kunikida to hell and back but the fact that i am seeing SO MUCH hate for his character right after his 'death' is insane

[kaiiscottage]

JUST WHEN THE WERE STARTING TO GET ALONG AGAIN IT'S SO OVER I'M GONNA LOSE IT

[angy-grrr]

oh I hate, hate, HATE how some mlw shippers act like they are targeted and oppressed; I hate hate HATE canon!izu///ocha because I genuinely believe it’s harmful for the characters (yes, it does reduce her to a love interest as her character would get fulfilled only by confessing and dating him, instead of accepting her feelings and guilt/mourning for not saving Himiko and still work into reach out to others; it reduces their whole story into “love this boy” and it’s disrespectful towards them as if she is a better girl, an actual good one that deserves to be dating the guy they both like; it would ignore the weirdness Ochako felt when she was liking him, and how the only times she was able to not feel something negative towards it was when she was admiring something heroic/cool he was doing; it literally sends the message of the story not being over unless girl and boy date, even if girl and boy never wanted to get closer to each other like that; it ignores Ochako’s heroism, it ignores her drive to be a better hero and how her storyline is about accepting her own negative emotions without isolating herself, to be able to rely on others like Izuku and Tsuyu; if this ends with them dating, it means her story was about accepting to learn that her heroic actions that involve him, like saving him, aren’t actually heroic, just romantic, and to accept that her greatest heroism is just her liking him; this was never about her needing to confess but about being envy of him and Himiko for showing their faces more than her, for feeling like she is so far behind and not wanting to bother others with her sadness. It would mean her story can’t end accepting her feelings and choosing to stay single/not dating him, it would mean Izuku’s story can’t end without getting a girl just because she likes him even tho we clearly see he doesn’t think about romance when he’s with her or tries to support her, there’s no togetherness about them but a common objective and goal to support others, and I think that’s way better than girl and boy get married; it would literally mean Ochako’s heroism is based on her love for him, not her having the heart of the hero too when the point is she is like him, helping everyone and putting everyone else over themselves).

[the-meme-monarch]

oh i want to say something mean. i want to say something so mean but it's certifiably stupid and i should not care

[aprofessionalwithoutstandards]

Funniest (and worst) kinds of tf2 Shipping Discourse I have encountered just by opening the tag, like two ships passing in the night but one of them is on fire:

It's problematic for Sniper (a thirty-year-old cartoon character) to fuck his fifty-year-old coworkers because "power imbalances"

It's also problematic for Sniper to fuck Scout who is basically his age because Sniper LOOKS old

Sniper x older men is okay but Scout (basically the same age) x older men is "uncomfortable" because he owns funko pops or something

Literally making up ages for characters like Demo or Engie to make something "problematic" instead of just saying you think swordvan is dumb

Every possible pairing is abusive because they're mean to each other in their domination lines

Medic/Pauling (which I hate btw) having a "power imbalance" that comes from Medic being old and not yknow. Pauling literally being everyone's boss (which I still don't think creates a "problematic power imbalance" btw it's just funny that people forget about that)

Adminpauling discourse

Adminsniper discourse which actually isn't from the tag it all comes from my inbox

Acting like Zhanna existing negates your ability to post boots n bombs yaoi in 2023

"Let men be friends"

[rookflower]

i do absolutely understand why people are so opposed to mousefur ships (and hollyleaf ships cause i've seen the same sentiment for her occasionally), i know the state of ace and aro representation in media sucks shit and crumbs of subtext or external authorial confirmations can still be worthwhile crumbs to some people. i definitely see mousefur as aro/ace myself! but also i think acting like putting these characters in ships (especially wlw ships which is the context most of the time) is immoral in some way is pretty reductive and misplaced ire. the representation at stake is so incredibly vague and obscure and more so representation within the fandom than anything taking place within the actual series. there isn't really any representation being robbed because the representation that does exist is admittedly... basically nothing. also warrior cats is so heteronormative that the concept of a cat "taking a mate" is, in its underlying intent, referring to a heterosexual relationship. from what i remember in the hollyleaf situation especially, her claiming she doesn't want a mate is in a scene where she is moreso rejecting motherhood and heteronormativity (in a way which is intended to characterise her as ambitious, and the way the erins often imply ambitious women (and queerness) as the opposite of ""good parenthood"" is its own problem) there are definitely other queer readings you can apply there.

[nukacourier]

Was the drama about shipping Arcade and Caesar everyone was talking about the other day someone being genuinely weird in the tags or is it a general thing and everyone is gonna hate me for just not liking the ship. Because I don't like it :(

[leonardalphachurch]

okay last thing i say about this but. i do want to be clear that wash and carolina are not canonically siblings and if you call shipping them incest you are also incredibly fucking annoying and i don’t want you here either.

like honestly i love carwash siblings but i don’t actually see their canon relationship as familial i think they’re just. friends. i think that kind of goes into the whole issue of like… men and women can’t just be friends you need to explain it away in some way. they’re dating or they’re siblings etc etc. i think actually they are platonically best friends and that this is awesome actually.

[arabaka]

im so sorry but this is just delusional smh

[utilitycaster]

Always important to ask yourself whether the post is in bad faith or if you just don't like what it says.