#thinking a character is evil and hating them is valid but at least understand WHY they are like that
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beanghostprincess · 1 year ago
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I gotta say it bothers me an insane amount when people refer to the Vinsmoke Brothers as "grown-ups" and say they were old enough to know what they were doing during WCI. Because despite agreeing on the fact that yes, they are abusers and Sanji has all the right in the world to not forgive them, the thought of them being irredeemable, especially emphasizing their age... Feels wrong.
People seem to think that once you turn 18 you're all grown-up and aware of your own actions, but when you've been manipulated and used and abused since the day you were born, no you are not. Abuse stops your normal growth and understanding of your surroundings and the development of a personality. And I am not saying they didn't know any better or justifying shit because they are awful people and there's no excuse for what they did to Sanji. But their whole story is about how they didn't grow up at all and are used as machines, and about how Sanji grew up too fast.
Sanji knew what torture was at the age of 8 but his brothers don't know what actual love is being 21. And I think both situations are extremely fucked up.
Referring to somebody (especially somebody who has grown up in a toxic environment) as mature and an adult (as an excuse to say they are aware of what they're doing completely) when they're 21 is just so wild to me because first, the didn't have a chance to grow up at all, and second, it's just 21 how the hell is 21 that old for you? People justifying the actions of teenagers but suddenly deeming people in their early twenties as "old enough to know better" is stupid. You don't turn 18 and suddenly become aware of good and bad out of nowhere. They were clearly caged and trapped in that cycle of abuse and didn't grow up at all.
Neither Sanji nor the viewers have to forgive the Vinsmoke brothers for their behavior at all, but you can admit somebody is redeemable and had a shitty life and they're the way they are because of their abuse without actually justifying their actions or forgiving them. Yes, fuck the Vinsmoke brothers. They're horrible people. Sanji should hate them and if the story ever makes him forgive them I will be extremely furious, I would despise that. But acting as if they were inherently evil and being +18 made them mature and emotionally aware all of a sudden is just not understanding their characters in the slightest.
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a-bit-predictable · 7 months ago
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I have 0 problems with people who cannot enjoy Caitlyn or caitvi because they cannot get past horrible actions that hit close to home and resemble issues extremely personal to them in the real world. indisputably valid.
I have problems with the people twisting the entirety of Caitlyn's narrative into "always was always will be 100% evil and should have died for it" and getting high on spewing neglectfully simple statements with extreme terms that don't apply in full or even at all, just because it makes them feel morally superior to anybody that allows even the slightest bit of room to acknowledge the complexity of a fictional character.
you don't have to like her or what she's done (and you shouldn't like what she's done, but at least get right what actually happened and why). at the same time, that doesn't make it impossible to still acknowledge she has (and was purposefully written with) goodness and compassion in the heart of her character. this was made abundantly clear all throughout season 1 and is something she absolutely compromised in season 2, BUT also realized she hated herself for and wants to do better going forward.
(and look, i understand longing for more meaningful reparations on-screen, but a fictional narrative doesn't owe you a perfectly depicted solved problem by the final frame. they gave us the first steps with a clear intention to continue improving (listen to Caitlyn's closing speech). not to mention it wouldn't make practical or narrative sense to deliver a giant montage of fixing every issue when arcane is ultimately a backstory and, to my knowledge, the piltover/zaun conflict is still part of current league lore and potentially other on-screen stories yet to tell.)
real evil does not experience remorse or make efforts to change. and making 1-for-1 comparisons of Caitlyn to.. certain real world figures & groups that don't do those things not only (1) is a huge failing of your own understanding of humanity, but also (2) severely undermines the severity and depth of those real world evils and ideologies.
(this show does not and never did intend to be a comprehensive and accurate depiction of real world issues, but references and makes parallels to it anyway. whether or not the way they executed that is a disservice in and of itself, is a far more important discussion than a single character's moral judgement. though I personally think the show did the best it could with the unfortunate original league lore.)
fiction aside, we're never going to get anywhere dismantling awful ideologies and dealing with people's moral lapses in the real world if we outright refuse their attempts to turn around because it's easier to demonize them forever. rehabilitation is vital.
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salty-and-spiraling · 1 month ago
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It kills me when I think about it but Zubeia is kinda correct in the sense that Aaravos's standpoint can really just be boiled down to "chaos as much chaos and destruction as possible." As a hardcore Aaravos stan, I understand and acknowledge this but also kinda hate the way people represent it when talking about his choices and overall morals.
(splitting this post here because it's pretty damn long)
Because the thing is, Aaravos really doesn't have anything left. His morality is gone, his only goal is to avenge Leola and that means one thing: "making the council hurt." And the only way to do that is to attack the only thing they care about; their own righteousness. Their only concern is being right.
And with that in mind, I'd like to bring up the main point of Leola's trial, that she has disrupted the cosmic order, unleashed chaos on the world, and therefore she must die. They thought that by getting rid of Leola, they'd stopped the supposed chaos that was coming. Aaravos knows this, so what's his solution? Do everything in his power to prove them wrong.
He sees this as the only solution to truly avenge Leola. He doesn't want humans and elves to get along. He gave dark magic to humanity under the guise of it being meant to help them succeed while knowing it would corrupt them. He wants to wreak havoc, not really because he hates Xadia, but because it will hurt the council.
Why does he need Xadia to fall into chaos? Why not just go after the council head-on? Two reasons:
One, evidence from the show strongly points to that being impossible for him. It's basically like fighting himself times 5 and they'd surely overpower him.
Two, that wouldn't really fit into the idea of disorder they had in mind. Just going after them would leave the world in peace. Leola was not the problem and he wants them to see that so he needs all of Xadia to become a chaotic hellscape just like the council thought it would if Leola was kept alive.
So, from Aaravos's pov (keeping all of this in mind), what do you think it says if the world prospers without Leola in it? He'd lost his daughter at the hands of his people who said her actions would lead to a world of chaos. If peace still prevails after Leola's gone, to Aaravos (an unstable grieving parent) that's basically telling him that they were right in their decision to kill his daughter.
He couldn't stop her death, it's implied that he can't bring her back, so really all he has left is revenge. It's tragic and it always would be whether or not Aaravos chose to walk the path of evil after Leola's death. Their story was doomed from the start. It was a lose-lose situation all around. I can't help but sympathize with Aaravos because at least in the current scenario he feels as if he's not just surrending to the enemy. That he's doing Leola justice by proving the council was wrong to kill her. It's literally all he has.
This is all I could think about when reading @thestarswillguide's recent posts (here and here)
This is why I hate it when people say things like "Aaravos is just an asshole" or "he's completely wrong and didn't really love Leola". God, the way those statements really upset me. And people having absolutely no sympathy or nothing for him will never not blow my mind. Like, I understand hating his actions and not rooting for him, but to flat out say you can't sympathize with him? To not care about what he went through. To say he's just a monster when the love he had and the pain of his loss literally backed him into a corner? It honestly just seems heartless.
When talking about his character you can never disregard this without misunderstanding Aaravos completely. You can't ignore his pain and just call him a bad guy. It disregards his status as a complex character. This is what so many people do when they try to oppose his character (which, in itself is completely valid) and it really pisses me off.
Anyways, I'm gonna stop right here. Reblogs and comments are greatly encouraged! I really want to talk about this.
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diamondkat · 5 months ago
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Please DimondKat! More Alastor theories!
I love hearing all the different ways Alastor has been wronged by the crew . Thanks for all the food and being so insightful
Since you love hearing about the different ways that Alastor has been wronged by the crew, you have likely heard a lot about it. So instead, I am going to focus on why the behaviour of the crew hasn't given Alastor any reason to trust them. I'll admit that the reason for this is less that the Hotel has wronged Alastor. At least in Alastor's eyes, he has no expectations of the hotel. Therefore, they have not wronged him in any way that he will acknowledge. Yes, that includes them potentially not having bothered to look for him after he almost died fighting Adam. It is more that I wouldn't trust anyone at that hotel with my weakness if I were in Alastor's shoes so I remain incapable of understanding why people think Alastor should trust them since he is definitely less trusting than even me. I'll start with the secondary main cast before moving to the core main cast.
Niffty is a darling and can be trusted with minor things like what you are feeling in the moment. She is actually the one I trust the most at the hotel right now. She is unlikely to tell someone because she is too erratic to bother. Most people don't take her seriously anyway so what you tell her is likely safe. Wouldn't trust her with too much because I don't even know if she can handle it. I think Alastor feels like there is more need to look after her than to entrust her with anything serious.
Sir Pentious for the same reason I gave for Niffty at the end. His need for validation is also something that Alastor would worry that people can use to gain information from him that Alastor would not want outsiders to know.
Husk will use what he knows/thinks he knows about you against you in an argument. I know what people will say that Alastor started that confrontation, but it was something he also did with Angel Dust. It is something that Husk does. Whether he is justified in doing it is not the point, the fact that he does it is.
Angel Dust works for Valentino. His contract looks very restrictive and I have no idea how easy it would be the make him reveal secrets. However, the fact that he works for Valentino eliminates him from the list of people that Alastor could potentially trust.
Vaggie is terrible with boundaries and very judgmental. She is a former exorcist so it makes sense. The way she talks to Angel Dust sometimes rubbed me the wrong way. I can get telling him off for harassing Husk, but looking down on him for his job when he suggests helping the only way he knows is not acceptable. Do you know that Niffty and Alastor are the only people at the hotel who have not said something negative to Angel Dust about his profession? The scene where she walks into Alastor's bedroom while he is eating breakfast to make demands still boils me. Like I don't know about you but I would hate working with someone like that. Alastor has better tolerance for such behaviour than I do. Someone judgmental and terrible with boundaries is not someone Alastor should trust with any of his weaknesses.
Charlie is the person I trust the least with anyone's weakness. She might mean well but the way she handles the weaknesses of those who depend on her is not the best. Her treatment of Angel Dust alone guarantees that I would never trust her with my weakness until she has had solid character growth regarding understanding the struggles of others. I can't be the only one who realises that after she went to Angel Dust's workplace and caused enough trouble that even a normal, not evil boss would have written you up, Angel Dust ended up being the one who had to comfort her. After what Valentino put him through due to her little stunt, he had to comfort her. She has power but not a lot of understanding about how to be helpful. This lack of understanding will not stop her from deciding to do it her way. I would have made that deal for a favour. Trusting her goodness is not a wise move. I would rather have control over in what way she can and will help me than trust it into her kind, sweet, thoughtless hands. I am saying Alastor's choice to go for a deal instead of taking the risk of depending on her kindness when he needs the favour was the smart choice.
Thanks for the ask. Sorry, it took so long to respond. I was trying to get my thoughts right and I still don't think I explained everything properly.
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killcodesashes · 1 year ago
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[QUICK RANT ABOUT QUEER REPRESENTATION IN TSAMS/TSBS SHOWS]
[As a genderfluid aroace person myself.]
TSAMS
Uh. I don't like it. Aroace Moon? Cool. Absolutely valid, we love him for that. Wasn't adressed much except in a few episodes which are pretty good, I liked the one where he rejects Foxy a lot!
But recently- g e e z. I understand wanting to bait people in with ships people want! Specifically KidsCove. Same in tmgafs! But the problem is that they do it not just to tease/mess around with the viewers in good fun, they genuinely seem to hate the shippers and actually want to make fun of them? Not just with kidscove but with any other ship that isn't canon. They don't even want to confirm Sun's sexuality, just constantly making it a gag that he has a bisexual flag in his room. Which as a queer person? It's just annoying. Just really annoying ? Please all we want is a confirmation or something? We want queer characters we can actually relate to. And we don't really get that :( Then New Moon came along and said it was possible he wasn't aroace. . . And then they never mentioned it again. So why mention it in the first place ? I don't think I would've minded it if he had just changed how much attraction he felt but was STILL aroace/on the aroace spectrum. As long as it was actually clarified. But they seemed eager to rush to his evil era so they didn't bother to close to any lose ends before hand, though I guess being aroace might've just not been as relevant.
On a bit of a side note- Ruin feels very gay coded. Very gay. There is no way he's straight T.T he's a villain but he's a zesty man and we absolutely adore him for that!!
That was probably an accident, though. Every theatre kid seems gay! /lhj
Just overall upsets me that the VAs seem to act offended by the mere idea of shipping characters? As if that's not a common/vital part of every fandom.
[OTHER SHOWS UNDER THE CUT]
TMGAFS
Upsets me that they can't clarify Puppets identity or pronouns? [Or maybe they have recently but I genuinely doubt it]
Because who are they meant to actually represent ?? It's probably just me but I wish it was more clear or something. I appreciate the VA for trying I do though, absolutely love that guy[Foxy’s VA, genuinely seems to just be a chill guy. And I think it's really cool that he actually does roles that could come off very cringe, voicing most of the cringe dimension characters +struggling with Puppets voice for the longest time.] I just wanna know if Puppet is a trans fem queen or trans masc slay or just trans ? But nothing seems to be clarified.
Again with KidsCove? Genuinely just annoying how they blatantly just do it to make fun of the people who ship them and get views from them.
Foxy seemed to have been gay before his memory loss. Or was at the very least interested in men to an extent. But since he began to be the main character of a show he suddenly only likes women?? S u s. They really keep insisting he's extremely straight and genuinely just annoys me that they erased him being interested in men [Proved he liked men in the episode he asked Moon out.]
. . .now. . . M o n t y. As a genderfluid person? I hate them and literally feel more represented and seen by cis characters from other shows. For the longest time Monty being genderfluid wasn't even adressed and was usually just brought up for plot reasons or something? And it pissed me of that every time they correct a character on Monty's pronouns.. they immediately go back to using he/him pronouns. I think the new fem body is pretty neat! Though I think it would've been more interesting for Monty to stay masc but ACTUALLY get their right pronouns used and their identity getting genuinely respected DESPITE of their appearance. But the body? It's genuinely completely fine! /gen I used to hate my body too and understand that the writers might've thought it might be easier for people if they just used a different body completely! But it annoys me that my gender representation comes in the form of M o n t y. The annoying character known for constantly hating on others and partially destroying their lives. Anyone can be genderfluid, yes. But when the representation is so little? I just wish it was at least a bit better or with a less hateable character.
TLAES
Lunar! Uh. Again can we just get clarification on his sexuality? Is he polyamorous? Bisexual? Omnisexual? Just any clarification please?
Gemini! I wish they were canon nonbinary. They're literally stars. Why did they have to be gendereddd. Also curious about their 'sexuality'? Will also likely never get clarification on it :/
OTHER SHOWS/SIDE NOTES
Roxanne is canon lesbian and so is Glamrock Chica! I'm so sorry but I forgot his name T~T I think it was Tiger Rock[??] Is also canonically gay! Glam Chica has a girlfriend! And I do think their relationship is pretty cute [from what I've seen] and overall wish I would finally get to watching the show a bit more! Funtime Foxy feels very queer to me? Not just because his design is pink but his overall characterization! He does have a girlfriend! But he seems to be comfortable in his own identity and presentation from what I've seen? At least, it seems to be more comfortable than some o t h e r characters. I feel more represented by Funtime Foxy and Lolbit than I ever felt represented by Monty. But that is a personal opinion!
I overall have just lost interest in all of the shows. I'm tired of being constantly disappointed and lead on. But I do wish I could watch more of the other shows since they seem to show more love and care towards their characters :)
CLOSING THOUGHTS!
It's just shows. Does any of this really matter? I think it matters when the shows are claiming to have good representation when they really don't. And they're allowing people who aren't queer/a part of the LGBTQIA+ community to feel like they have the right to shut real queer people down. I've seen so much acephobia and overall homophobia even in this community. A l o t in this community. I wish the writers would listen to ACTUAL QUEER PEOPLE!! I wish the VIEWERS listened to ACTUAL QUEER PEOPLE.
That's what I really want. I just want to be heard and represented.
I don't claim this community. I CAN'T claim a community who is constantly against us.
LISTEN TO QUEER VOICES.
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angelshizuka · 4 months ago
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I have another theory as to why Stolitz was a big reason people bailed on the show, you know other than a lot of the more popular reasons already stated not limited to the show drastically changing their direction away from the episodic murder-of-the-week format.
A lot of fans of western animation more often than not tend to be in the same fandoms and I have noticed many people currently in the Helluva Boss fandom were either part of the Star vs. the Forces of Evil fandom, the Miraculous Ladybug fandom, or both.
I have friends that were knee deep in both fandoms and they have said that both aforementioned shows VERY infamously ran themselves off a cliff in their later seasons and one of the biggest contributors was the main ship taking the first priority, and the coherence of every other character plotline being half-asses.
And if YouTube is to be believed, the rest of the fandom seems to agree.
So Helluva Boss shifting their focus to Stolitz in S2 probably made these fans REALLY mad because they were worried it was going to be a third case of shipping derailing the focus of the show’s plot, especially once Millie, Moxxie, and Loona took a backseat in focus as a result.
The difference with Helluva Boss, however, that I think gives it a leg up is that right now, there isn’t a grander plot in Helluva Boss that Stolitz is interrupting, they ACTUALLY got together fairly early in the show’s runtime and ended the will-they-won’t-they drama, and also Viv has confirmed that they were trying to get Stolitz to a point where their drama could take a backseat to flesh out the other characters and plotlines.
So I DO understand the Pavlovian response, but I also have enough faith that Stolitz is not going to be the show’s ultimate downfall because we have two seasons to go, 30 episodes total, and the main couple is actually together now so they won’t be dragging out their drama until the end of time.
I guess it could be a reason for some of them, but I doubt it's the main reason for most of them (at least if we're talking about the loud "critical" crowd).
At the end of the day SO many arguments against Stolitz still come down to sex negativity and acting like queer rep needs to be "pure" to be valid, because for some bullshit reason these people put queers up to much higher standards than cishets.
And even if it technically took 4 years for Stolitz to get together (counting from the 1st episode to the s2 finale), even then this is still an indie show that can only pump out so many episodes a year. If anything, it's impressive to have the main couple get together only 20 episodes into the show, for most TV shows that'd be like the end of the first season.
Ngl, as someone who hates the "doesn't get together until the series finale" trope with a burning passion, because it robs the audience of actually SEEING them as a couple, it just makes me so, SO happy that the main Stolitz drama is over and now we can watch them heal and figure out how to navigate their new dynamic as it blossoms into a steady relationship!
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sorcave · 8 months ago
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Hating Calypso does not mean you don't understand morally grey characters and defending her does not mean you understand them.
I've seen many takes from those defending Calypso in one way or another dismissing those who hate her as "not understanding morally gray characters" which is simply isn't true. Defending her as a poor victim who didn't know any better does not mean you understand the concept of morally gray characters either.
The main divide is whether intent, her actions, or both matters in defining her morality and by how much. Either side of that spectrum is missing the nuance of the situation- she's not a supervillain intent on making Odysseus' life horrible nor is she an innocent, naive girl who shouldn't be held accountable for her actions. To me, while I don't think she is evil, she is at the darker end of the "morally gray" spectrum as her actions are so egregious that her intent nearly doesn't matter.
Most defenders use the story that Calypso tells in "I'm Not Sorry For Loving You" as their evidence. She didn't INTEND to hurt Odysseus- she hasn't known anyone before so she didn't know! She was just lonely! She just loved him! If you were stuck on an island all alone for 100 years and finally someone came, wouldn't YOU want to make sure they didn't leave? Besides, she apologizes for her actions!
This is a trap that the song actively brings listeners into. It is meant (or at least easily interpreted as) as a plea for sympathy, to make the audience feel empathy for poor Calypso. It is not a simple explanation for her actions and it is definitely not an apology for them. The reason it feels like a "Youtuber Apology" is that they share many similar characteristics. She is intentionally vague about what she is apologizing about, to the point they are nearly irrelevant. "Coming on too strong" wasn't the issue- it was "Coming on too strong" AFTER Odysseus told her no ( "From here you're mine, all mine"/ "Hell No") was. It doesn't address her main crime, specifically keeping a man AGAINST HIS WILL for seven YEARS, even AFTER he became so desperate to leave that he was moments from committing suicide. Lastly, she doesn't take accountability but (intentionally or not) blames Odysseus . "I'm sorry if my love was too much for you" is a VERY common phrased used by abusers to shift the blame from themselves onto their victims.
The crux of the issue for me is while her rough experience up until she met Odysseus may explain her actions, too many people seem to use it to EXCUSE her actions (including, seemingly, the narrative itself). Why this rubs so many the wrong is because of how many real life victims have been told they have to "forgive" their abusers because their life was hard or "they didn't know better." Many who were bullied as a kid had at least one guidance counselor say they needed to "forgive/even befriend x because they are struggling/ \[Insert Bad Thing Here} happened to them." Many others see Calypso using the same tactics their own abusers used to hurt them, and justifiably hate her for it.
I am not saying someone is wrong or stupid for having a more forgiving perspective on Calypso. If you are one to put more weight into intent than actions, I could see why Calypso could be a much lighter gray ( I am not seeing many defenders saying she is an entirely innocent, "morally good" character"). It can be argued that her actions were not of an intentional abuser but of a goddess who haven't had much experience with relationships before, especially with mortals. If her idea of romance came from whatever the Ancient Greek version of romance novels were, it makes sense that her idea of romance may not be the healthiest. Heck, even reading the myths would explain or even excuse why she didn't see "She's my wife" as a sign to back off- for probably at least 90 percent of Greek Heroes, that would not matter.
In summary, Calypso is a morally gray character- but that doesn't mean there aren't valid reason to dislike or even hate her. Seeing her as dark gray bordering on black doesn't mean you don't see the nuance- many who are against her understand her intent may not have been evil- but that her actions make her intent almost irrelevant. So please stop dismissing those who dislike/hate her as simply misunderstanding/being naive with morally gray characters. Many are not (especially since the entire show is full of them) and simply put weight in her actions more than her intent.
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ahamkara-apologist · 5 months ago
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destiny players look at more than just the barest most basic surface level parts of the story challenge (impossible). also destiny players don't be misogynistic challenge (never attempted). when a male character does something utterly horrifying but at least understandable it's based and epic but when a female character vaguely poses a threat and tries to kill people on the smallest scale of any villain in the whole ass franchise she's the worst and should die instantly forever. Eramis is the most evil villain ever and deserved to die, which is why everybody in canon is 100% cool with her being around as long as she isn't actively trying to do anything harmful
Yeah no fr. I can't understand the rampant hatred for Eramis outside of the fact that she's a grouchy woman who is very vocal about her (very valid) hatred of humanity, which is obviously Wrong and Bad and somehow worse than all the other things that people on our side did. Misraaks used to be a pirate captain, Crow slaughtered huge sections of the Reef as Uldren before he did the 'cardinal sin' of killing Cayde, Variks used to pit prisoners against each other in death matches, Ana had us doing actual war crimes against House Salvation, and we ourselves were part of an elite strike force specifically sent out to destroy and undermine any attempt at alien reunification, and Savathun has literal BILLIONS of years of xenocide on her hands, but noooo, Eramis being pissy and barely-hiding the fact that she feels guilty and unworthy from the PEOPLE WHO KILLED HER FRIENDS AND BROKE HER HOUSE means that she's obviously the worst person ever and should have been killed for the 'justice' of the city, not 'rewarded' with near-divine power. Let's ignore the fact that the narrative repeatedly told us that killing her wouldn't achieve anything but destroy someone with knowledge of Riis + make the Eliksni fear and hate us more, or that Eramis herself outright told us that she expects such a thing from humanity and that she doesn't deserve a second chance or the Echo's grace. We're here only to show up and shoot things without thinking about them, and GOD FORBID the game has a story that makes us think about the consequences of our actions!!
To play Devil's Advocate for the guy who was arguing with me, he DID say that Eramis was just a female version of Skolas or Taniks- implying that his hatred of her wasn't a gender thing- but even then, that's incorrect + he dropped the argument when I said that Taniks wasn't evil for being a mercenary who only killed high-value targets, sooo. Idk man. It just really reeks of misogyny. Eramis isn't a conventially attractive, submissive, friendly woman, so she's automatically filed as a bitchy terrorist who deserves a bullet in her brain. Let's conveniently forget how much of an ass Cayde was in between being a haha funnyguy and go back to circlejerk complaining about how he only died bc Bungie didn't want to shell out money for his voice actor anymore
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ben-talks-art · 4 months ago
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I hate these two idiots... So much...
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It's funny how watching the new Daredevil show pissed me off less than anything these two antagonists from invincible did. At the very least in that one, I could kinda understand that the dude was just a prick acting like a prick with nothing better to do.
Like... I didn't enjoy what he did, but I at least get why he did it.
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Angstrom and Powerplex just seem like a pair of clowns throwing a fit because someone took their toy, and now they want to take out their anger on an easy target...
Which, yeah, you could also say that for Bullseye, but my expectations are a lot lower when it comes to him. He's like a mean little kid that acts like a mean little kid.
The other two like to act so high and mighty, as if they are doing what they do for the greater good and everyone else are the ones in the wrong for not seeing things the way they see it.
And I get it, they're doing the Reverse Flash thing, they're making characters whose entire thing is just being a hater who likes to hate for the sake of hating, and these characters can be fun when done well.
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Like, I love a good hater, and I love hating a good hater.
I love Azula who hates her brother for being more loved by their mother, I love Izma who hates the emperor for firing her, Lex Luthor who hates Superman for proving that power doesn't need to be devoid of kindness, Aaravos who hates the dragons for what they did to his daughter, Dr. Doom who hates Reed for being smarter than him, Venom who hates Spider-Man for making him lose his job, Drolta who hated Alucard for killing her, and so on...
But something about these two just wasn't clicking with me.
I think it's, like I said, the expectations factor. They just seemed like people who would be smart enough to realize what a stupid thing they were doing, what with Levy hating Mark for being evil in nearly every universe and then working alongside one of the evil Marks who killed his family, and Powerplex putting people in danger while being angry at Mark for putting people in danger.
Something about these motivations annoy me... Like, they're not petty enough to be irrationally fun, they just feel irrational. It felt like the writers were trying to make a more sympathetic and clever take on the "hater" trope, but instead made an even more illogical one, cause I keep looking at these guys and going "How did you arrive at this conclusion??"
You're not gonna see Reverse Flash upset with Flash for a good reason, you're gonna see him being upset for a petty cause. Same with the other guys, they all had selfish, immature, and entitled reasons to be angry... They all had trashy reasons to be trashy people.
These two had somewhat valid reasons to be angry, but that validation would vanish instantly if they just took two seconds to think about it. You can't do that with Bullseye, or Azula, or Lex Luthor. These villains are not a "two-second conversation" away from realizing how irrational their behavior is, and that makes how far they are willing to go with it really frustrating.
I think because they tried to make these two character seem smarter and more human, that in return ended up making them succumbing to their irrational motivations feel even dumber than the regular petty hater, and, to me at least, made them feel not that fun to watch.
But I'm probably alone on this.
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almacambiondaughterofsaleos · 9 months ago
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I get frustrated when I see people argue that the people who complain about stellas writing just can't handle an evil woman, or don't care about men who suffer abuse from their female partners. Like no that is not why I find stellas writing bad--Cersei lannaster was great, and still evil.
The issue is that stella was made as bad as possible to make stolas look better. Because she's now a super abuser now any possible issues she had with stolas during their relationship are moot. Which to me is a problem when the main focus of the story seems to be the relationship between blitz and stolas.
Now we can't have a similar moment between stella and stolas that we had between blitz and verosika. Stolas doesn't have to reflect on issues he had in his past relationship that are now affecting his current relationship with blitz. Instead the show only has blitz reflect on his past, making it seem as if every issue between them is his fault.
And even with as little screen time as we get with stella and how bad she is, I can see where Viv could have stella rightfully pissed at stolas even before he cheated. Stolas is horrible at paying attention to people or listening to them. If it's not something he's super into he's not interested. He doesn't pick up on Via hating lulu land or that blitz wasn’t happy with their arrangement until its thrown in his face.
Though it's a joke we see him do this with stella when she's yelling about taking hit out on him infront of his face. He's reading a book, totally not even hearing her. Now that's she always been abusive you can chalk that up to him learning to shut out his abuser. Instead of him always ignoring stella even before their marriage went south. Stella can't tell him that she tried to make their marriage work too but he never listened to what she had to say or payed attention to her, always lost in his own world. That maybe the reason she started screaming at him was because that was the only way he'd even actually listen to her (mirroring him and blitz, where stolas didn't realize the deep problems in their relationship until blitz literally screamed it at him).
I think it's one of the reasons why people are so harsh on stolas, because we know he won't get that self reflection blitz did. Instead he's portrayed as a sad dude, with the toughest life, doing his best. Naive, and a bit to soft, not actively wrong sometimes. Ironically I think if stella had been written better, stolas would be too. She could still do bad things, like hiring striker; verosika still has bad coping methods for dealing with her hurt over blitz, but at least her and stolas's relationship would have a bit more depth, and be used to help stolas become a better partner for blitz (since that is vivs intention, even if i dont like it).
It's this. Stella is just a plot device for sympathy like Octavia is for Stolas. Although in this case, she is used to excuse his abusive behavior towards Blitzo, his neglectful parenting, and even more his cheating. The abuse is just a cover for his character and it makes people think he's above criticism about his horrid actions. As said before, if you notice his behavior then you realize there are so many valid reasons why it should be a two way street because as you said that bird is selectively oblivious and doesn't understand anyone else's feelings. And again they say him being sheltered is why he is this way then again you could use that same excuse as Stella and yet she's not given that because the narrative lets her be treated like an adult like the creator's pet. I agree. I do think if they didn't excuse Stolas it would give him depth and give him more self-reflections s a person so he can be better for Blitzo rather than Blitzo have to always suck his pain to make Stolas feel better.
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beanghostprincess · 1 year ago
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What are you most controversial/unpopular OP opinions??? Sorry if it was answered before
You want me to get canceled so bad-- If I speak-- But idk, I guess I'll say the controversial opinions I can say publicly without a bunch of people coming at me!
Zo$an is a bit... Overrated? And by overrated I mean extremely/annoyingly overrated. I like the ship and its canon dynamic but I think at least 80% of the fandom portrays them in a very mischaracterized way. Not to say that... The ship is literally everywhere and the shippers always look for every little thing to prove they're canon, even if the "proof" has literally nothing to do with them. It's not that I don't enjoy the ship (although I must admit I prefer other dynamics a lot more) I just can't stand shippers that go to extremes. It's funny because I think Zo$an's dynamic is way more interesting and romantic in canon than it will ever be in the fandom. It's a bit sad, ngl. I liked them a lot at first but it got so tiring and now I am pretty exhausted from seeing it everywhere. The people force it to be more than it is when the canon is already pretty fucking great.
Adding to the Zo$san thing. I think that relationship would only work if Luffy is there somehow but it wouldn't last a day without him in the relationship. Unless there's like, a ton of character development most of these people don't make them go through.
One Piece Film Z is my worst enemy. It's such a boring movie. The only good thing is the soundtrack and maybe the suits but God watching that was torture.
Boa hate is uhhhh weird. I mean, I get why the joke about her being in love with Luffy might be annoying, but I think most of you need to learn to understand that Oda's sense of humor is sometimes a bit too exaggerated (and not funny) and it has basically nothing to do with the actual canon dynamics between characters. Boa likes Luffy because he's one of the first men who has ever treated her right, so of course she confuses that feeling with love. And of course, yeah, it isn't canon. Whatever. Just read between the lines, maybe? And also, stop using words like "pedo" to describe her because using that term so lightly about 1) a fictional character and 2) somebody who's clearly not a pedo is fucked up. Lmao. Do you even know what that word means???
Once again complaining about Pudding hate and saying that it's stupid. I won't overanalyze because I always do it with her, but the only reason people hate her is for misogynistic reasons and because they're babying Sanji. Evil male characters are okay and hot and very traumatized but the second it's a woman she's the most evilest person ever! Because God forbid they make mistakes! Suddenly their character development isn't valid because they hurt their babygirl!
Now that we're talking about my dearest Pudding. Not tagging anybody of course, but I saw this post with so many interactions of people agreeing about Sanji considering violence as a sign of love which??? Doesn't make sense at all?? OP said it was because he couldn't tell the difference between love/abuse because of his family, but that's just... Not accurate. That could only happen if they had manipulated him into thinking abuse is a type of love, but he had healthy love growing up. Even when he was with the Vinsmokes (Sora and Reiju, I love you). And yet OP said Sanji considered Pudding's behavior flirting (wrong) and that's why he let her attack him (nope) and that it was proof of Zo$an. And okay, it's not a hugely popular theory, but a lot of people agreed with it and it bothered me a lot because it's both out of character and also using Pudding (complex female character) once again to try and prove the canon of a ship (that doesn't have anything to do with WCI either???). It just bothers me. People can perceive the story however they want but... Y'know.
OPLA isn't that good. Or good at all? I only like it because I like the cast and it's funny seeing my blorbos irl. But the script is simple and dull and just stupid most of the time. The characters are either simplified, mischaracterized, or forgotten. And tbh most of the shots are very awful and could be a lot better. The directing is also nonexistent. It's 6/10 and 3 of those points are because both the Zolu and the cast.
Apparently this is a very common theory about Nami's origins, but, uh, I don't think we need to know? What else do you need to know about her? People say she's a lost princess or something like that as if we didn't have a lost princess already (Sanji ily). Repeating the same plot would be boring and underwhelming, but also? It'd be extremely useless for the plot and it'd go against everything about Nami's story and the way Luffy reacts to it.
Luffy isn't canon aroace. In fact, the reasoning people use for him being "coded" is the same Oda uses for Zoro too and Zoro is almost never portrayed as the "idiot who doesn't know what sex is" the way Luffy often is. If you're calling Luffy canon aroace for what Oda said about him being focused on adventures, the same goes for Zoro being focused on his dream. They could be coded arospec but there's nothing confirmed and the constant discourse about it is stupid. Attacking others because of their ships just because you don't agree with them and saying it's wrong using our identity to do it is very fucked up. Especially since most of the time people complaining aren't even aroace. The only reason people do it (attacking others saying they can't ship Luffy and that it's "weird" and "wrong") is that they infantilize Luffy/Don't want him getting in between their ships (<- aroace person writing this) (also, it's very ableist since people agree on Luffy also being neurodivergent coded and treating him like a kid bc of that but this isn't about that now).
Somehow this is very common. Some fucking how. I can't believe I have to say this. I'm tired of people blaming Usopp for what happened in Water 7. Or in general hating Usopp. Actually, he's one of the best-written characters in the whole show and he's so underappreciated it's so frustrating.
Sanji's perv jokes are annoying af and we all know that, but people who hate the character and consider him a red flag for that are missing the point completely. The point being "Oda exaggerates jokes to an annoying extent and most of the time they don't even reflect the character". I understand they can make you uncomfortable (same here tbh) but reducing Sanji to only those jokes is a waste of his character. You need to take jokes less seriously.
If I see one of these "red flag OP boys" TikToks adding Law/Ace/Zoro/Sanji next to fucking Doffy I will riot. Also, stop adding Crocodile there. He's a mafioso, there's NO way he won't be a sweetheart to his lover.
Baron Omatsuri's artstyle and animation is amazing and it fits the plot and aesthetic of the movie perfectly and people saying it's ugly will forever bother me.
"Usopp is suddenly hot after timeskip!" He has always been hot what the fuck are you talking about.
People reduce Nami to her "mean"/"sarcastic" personality a lot when she's quite literally one of the most kind-hearted characters of all. That being said, morally speaking she's probably one of the worst. I could explain how that works but I don't want to do it now, the point is-- Let the girl be sweet instead of making her mean all the time. And also, let her be mean and selfish without making it her entire personality. There's something called "balance".
Film Red was kind of bad. Like, the songs are amazing (thanks, Ado) but the ending is awful and the plot is very meh. I'm only here for Uta and Shanks but the rest of the characters are just useless. I do appreciate Sanji's hair in the movie, though.
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fallenrain40 · 2 years ago
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little uh... random rant thingy below. v yknow, I don't really understand the whole qpr thing. now,I know it isn't like this... but to me it feels like trying to pressure aros and aroaces into having some version of a relationship or partner. or to get an aroace to date you by saying "well we can just be qprs" (which is basically what someone did to me, i'm lucky that they then completely ignored me afterwards after like, a week. it upset me but at least it didn't keep going further.) and due to my first experience with a "qpr" a while back... it feels even more so that way. (as i just said) then I thought, well hey, maybe it can just mean friendship! it doesn't HAVE to mean anything more romance related... but then... if it's just friendship that's a lil different from the norm, I don't understand WHY I would need to use a different word for it. why can't I just call it being best friends?? platonic soulmates? idk, maybe the label just isn't vibing with me. I think it's just the whole "trying to find/looking for a qpr" culture around it that makes me feel like it's too similar to dating for me. like... when you get a best friend you generally don't go out saying "looking for a best frienddd~" ... it just kinda happens.
...yknow, when I first wrote this post, I started it trying to understand wanting to have qprs or label a relationship as a qpr, but now i'm back to low-key hating them again. it's just TOO close to an "inbetween romance and platonic" that I don't like. it's just... I hate when people say things like "oH bUT aROmANTICS cAn sTILl hAVE qPrS-" like uh does that mean if we don't want a relationship AT ALL we are bad and evil? only aromantics that want to have qprs are valid now?? why should we want to have a relationship at all?? why isn't friendship enough for you people?? why is the defense for aros, aroaces, and aces also, always "but they can still have _ relationships?" it feels like they are literally saying that we are only good becuase we still can have something close enough to romantic relationships. and obviously btw, i don't care if other people want qprs, i even like to headcanon characters with qprs, just please stop assuming it's a thing all aromantics or aroaces want or something that we all feel and can have.... and stop implying that those of us who don't want anything outside of friendship is wrong. or that we need relationships in any form. sorry, I started rambling.
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rarepairronpa · 9 months ago
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I can't even describe to you how much I love Junko x Celeste x Sonia (normalise shipping your favs with your favs!!). My toxic girls, my emotionally unavailable girls.
I read your Celeshima fic before and I must say that it fits perfectly with their dynamic I have in mind. How Celeste would definitely see and understand Junko for who she is and she wouldn't wish for Junko being any different, nor would she want to "fix" her, but only wanting to join, to rule with Junko in her quest for despair. But with Junko being Junko, she knows Celeste wants that, so she purposefully doesn't let Celeste join in.
Yet, yet!! She lets Sonia in, despite the princess being the one who is much more likely to oppose Junko's extreme ideals (at least not without a lot of manipulation on Junko's end), rather than Celeste herself. It's ironic, really.
And yes, you were so right about Junko breeding resentment into Sonia. I could also see Junko doing the exact same to Celeste, about how ironic it is that the "goody-two-shoes" can join in her despair, and not the one with the same dubious morals as Junko's. Because to Junko, what is love without a teeny tiny bit of manipulation and gaslighting lol
Normalize shipping your faves! That's how I landed on Kaede/Mikan and honestly, it's just fun. Who doesn't like to imagine their favorite characters interacting?
And ah, you read that? That one's one of my older ones. I'm a little embarrassed, wrote that one back in high school, aha. I'm glad you liked it though! I haven't actually gone back to read any of my older works from like, 2018 and older, so not sure how good they are. I at least hope I've improved in the years I've been writing, but definitely doesn't mean my old work is bad. And yeah! Some Junko ships are fun because you have characters attempting to fix her (and usually getting dragged down themselves in the process) but other Junko fics are fun because, like. You just want to see evil partners being the worst. I imagine that's also the appeal of Byakuya/Junko, lol.
And you're totally right! Very ironic that Sonia who would initially be against what Junko stands for is who she gets to her side, but Celestia, who's morals are already loose, is rejected the spot as her queen. Very much in line with Junko trying to cause maximum despair- where she does what you'd hate the most. Celestia would love the rule with her, so she doesn't get to; Sonia would hate what she'd become and so that's what she gets, too. This is basically what I think Junko does in SDR2 and DR1; in SDR2, it would hurt the class most to think she never loved them, that they sacrificed so much of their lives to someone who doesn't care. That's a big betrayal to them, that hurts more than if she actually did love them. So she tells them she never loved them. In DR1, however... the thought that she loved them and did this to them anyways hurts more. The thought that they loved her, and she loved them, and she still did this... The fact that there's love there is in and of itself a betrayal. It feels like it too, right? Like a betrayal to all their dead friends, that they ever loved someone who did this to them. Junko is a monster in their heads- that she loves them... that hurts. That makes them feel like they're betraying their friends by that love existing. Like they've betrayed themselves. Which is exactly why she tells them she did love them. So- personally, I tend to think Junko in both these scenes was just saying what would cause the most upset. Which means I think it's perfectly valid to headcanon the idea that... maybe she did care about the SDR2 gang. I mean, she does the same thing to Yasuke Matsuda, right? She loves him, that's a fact, we know that from her narration in DR0... and yet, when he lays dying, she tells him she never cared about him from the beginning, that she was only using him. Because he dedicated so much to her, that's what would cause him the most despair. Just like the SDR2 cast. Considering lying about never caring to send her loved ones into despair is something it's established Junko just does, it's perfectly reasonable to wonder if she was lying to the SDR2 gang, too.
So, with that headcanon considered... I do think it's well within Junko's characterization to deny both Sonia and Celestia what they originally wanted, if that makes sense? To have such different approaches with them, but it coming from the same place. I think Junko really likes her irony, because irony can hurt.
I could totally see her breeding resentment in Celestia, too. The thing about Junko, imo, is that she isolates you from your genuine bonds, and only reunites you under her banner. So, like. She takes your relationships from you, makes both parties in the relationship focus on her, and then reunites you through that adoration of her. She wants the only thing you have in common, that you care about, to be her. She wants your other relationships to just be extentions of her. So breeding resentments on both sides of this relationship? Very in character. Especially since that root of resentment is tied up in attention from her - very in character thing to do.
And yeah lol. No one's doing love with manipulation and gaslighting quite like Junko. Very true.
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thenugking · 11 months ago
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✨Which is your favourite platonic BG3 dynamic and why?
Hmm. Based on purely in-game stuff, it’s got to be Wyll and Karlach. Enemies to BFFs in like three days. Out of game, I love my Durge Lee with Astarion (they are like when you have two pets or perhaps siblings who sometimes just slap the shit out of each other for no reason before going back to chilling together) and my first Tav, Val, with Shadowheart (bitchy goths who don’t care about people except actually they care So Much). Would love to get around to writing them someday.
Also the dynamic I’m writing between Orin and Ketheric in No Highly Esteemed Deed. This is Ketheric’s emotional support surrogate daughter figure with zero red flags!
For my favourite dynamic not in the game or made up by me… we’ll get to that in question four!
🌊What moment in the game had the strongest emotional impact on you? 
Karlach’s breakdown after killing Gortash gets me every time. And I was sobbing in my Shadowheart Origin playthrough when I saved her parents. That storyline is so comforting to me, especially when, if you’re not playing as her, it’s Arnell who goes, “Ohh you don’t want to go by your old name anymore, of course we’ll love you for whoever you are now.”
🌸Rec one of your fics and tell us what you like about it!
My series No Highly Esteemed Deed Is Commemorated Here is my baby at the moment. So I’m actually reccing two fics but look I spend half my time thinking about this series and I want some validation. But, uh, warning for incest and every relationship here being at least toxic, if not downright abusive. If you like your doves dead, come and give me some validation, if you’re not into that shit, understandable, have a nice day.
What Is Here Was Dangerous And Repulsive To Us: Gortash and Durge take a nice romantic carriage ride to Moonrise Towers except that lol no they don’t, Orin Is Also Here, and gortash isn’t positive she wants to fuck her sibling but The Vibes Are Fucking Rancid.
Super proud of the slowly building Well This Is Fucking Uncomfortable in this one! And that multiple people have told me “damn how did you make me feel for Gortash here?” He’s still very much a bastard and I loved writing him hating the whole world, but he’s fucking Going Through it.
One of my favourite reviews: EXCUSE ME ORIN> MA’AM. THIS IS A WENDYS
This Place Is Not A Place Of Honour: The multichapter sequel that I’m currently working on! The events between the gang arriving at Moonrise and Orin stabbing my Durge in the brain (and the aftermath of that, if I ever get there). They’re all doing their evil plotting in the background, but it’s mostly focused on the relationships between Durge, Orin, Gortash and Ketheric, and the various ways in which these characters are deeply fucked up.
Like I mentioned, I’m really enjoying writing Orin and Ketheric’s weird fucked up friendship. Ketheric imprints on Orin as his New Daughter Figure after Isobel runs away from him (just because he told her that her wife who he is currently torturing was dead so Isobel should get over her) and that’s going about as well as you’d expect. Ketheric is trying to fix Orin while ignoring most of her underlying issues, Orin’s worrying that she’s going to lose Durge to the Gortash and the Absolute plot, Gortash is determined to Win his relationship with Durge despite the constant red flags, Durge is causing problems on purpose.
Another of my favourite reviews: i went into that scene like "hehe the horrors" and i went out like "OH DEAR GOD THE HORRORS"
🌿Rec someone else’s BG3 fic and tell us what you like about it!
here there be dragons by shadowfell
13 year old Orin ends up the ward of the BG1/2 protagonist and under a geas stopping her from murdering people, and becomes friends with 14 year old Wyll. Two Weird Theatre Kids with no other friends hanging out while Orin puts a lot of effort into drawing Wyll’s thematically appropriate gruesome death. They work so well together and their dynamic fucking delights me. And I love getting to see my two blorbos who fandom often doesn't give the love they deserve fucking shine.
There’s also a multi-chapter sequel of the two of them as adults going through the game plot. It’s still early on, but chapter four got posted last night and that’s my read for this evening, once I’m done killing Orin in my current BG3 game and need to go and read a kinder AU for her.
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nonbinarygamzee · 2 years ago
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Dave thoughts? I'm very curious about your hatred for that guy (if that makes sense)
HAHA ok so admittedly maybe my posts about how much i hate him are a bit overblown because i basically think its really funny that he only comes up on my blog if i am being a hater. integral to understand that while i post "fandom" content on here that i dont really think of this as a fandom blog so much as a blog where i come to have conversations with myself and so naturally just bc of who i am a lot of my little posts are full of context and meaning i never bother to externalize because they are for me to reread later and have a little chuckle about.
anyways. theres a lot of reasons i find him grating but i can at least admit it that a lot of my annoyance has more to do with the way i was forced to slog through strider manpain posts endlessly as a teenager any direction i tried to look. when the fandom seemed hyperfocused on him and his woes while actively sending me like graphic gore at like age 14 for saying hey maybe this other character also deserves some sympathy and maybe even analysis that has more to say than why they are an evil irredeemable monster for being unstable as a child. which yknow that isnt daves fault but man even without that part it was tiring to see all of the emotional depth constantly boxed into his corner. and then to repeatedly have the comics itself affirm all of this as valid exploration and then ridicule me for My exploration. for many many years the strider manpainisms made me not bother with dirk just on principle even though today hes one of the more interesting characters to me! so i can admit im not being totally "fair" here but well. as usual i think the fandom darlings can handle a fraction of the disdain ive see thrown my favies ways constantly for over a decade.
and like none of that to say i dont Get why people do this with him or that he deserved anything he got as a kid or it wasnt abuse or whatever. let the records show that i think it is Wrong to terrorize your brotherson with swords and sex puppets. im a feminist.
more rooted in the reality of the comic itself though i just find it grating how often daves sole function in a scene is to be the authors mouthpiece and specifically often in ways where you are meant to implicitly agree with the things he is saying irregardless of whether they are a centrist gen x nightmare opinion because its also the larger opinion of homestuck as an entity. dave is far from the only character to do this and id say any of the characters you could comfortably refer to as the "protagonists" actually end up slipping into this fairly often. that said the other biggest offenders imo are karkat, egbert and terezi and i also have feelings of extreme ambivalence for terezi and to be honest an outright disinterest in egbert. so. i am at least consistent about it! karkats my special guy but i need him hunted for sport and tortured until he stops being this and largely the things he believe that make me feel that way heavily align with the opinions the comic depicts as mostly right and again tend to be moments hussies worldview is bleeding into the narrative especially openly.
anddd ok. i just find daves personality grating on top of it. i cant sit here and pretend ive never laughed at a dave strider dialogue but generally a lot of the parts people find very funny are parts i tend to come away having seen the thousanth iteration of dave having his worldview affirmed and getting to do some #awesome clapback at the person insinuating he even try to think outside of his own preconceived ideas about what things should be like. in general in a story so full of characters doing bad things it just grates on me that, while his offenses are certainly usually "minor" in the grand scheme of things, the lack of willingness to challenge them often just means like dave gets to be right and nobody remembers when he actually massively fucks someone else up or makes them feel worse. like to be clear none of this is a problem in that characters cant "do bad things", i literally like vriska, but it would be cool if we could at least like. acknowledge that theyre anything but entertaining even within the context of the universe where other characters should be allowed to be uncomfortable when hes actively creepy or uses their emotional breaking points as a soapbox for how He feels. but since it would cause this big rift in how homestuck itself presents the opinions it wants you to agree with, those characters just..... not only do not mind most of the time but even if they do its never in a way that allows them agency in the matter. thats the crux of it all for me actually, hes by far one of the most autonomous characters of the bunch and it feels frequently like his agency is at the expense of others because hes a self insert.
um ok tldr hes annoying and him being the Face of homestuck is like..... accurate but in the most painful nightmare way because he kind of just. Is homestuck. to me.
(and i actually do see iterations of him sometimes that i find compelling but they all feel so detached from how hes presented in the comic that it just feels like someones oc. all of this said also i actually kind of have an absurd amount of thoughts on how he would act post game (epilogues ignored here) just i dont bother to do much with em because dave likers would hate it and other dave haters probably wouldnt care enough lol. also always secondary info anyways, hes finally allowed irrelevency in My city)
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maxdibert · 5 months ago
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thoughts on unforgivable spells and dark arts potrayed in the story? i do remember the ‘light’ side being so hard against it meanwhile there is no strict regulation on love potion 
To me, this has always seemed like absolute nonsense. I mean, let’s start from the premise that I already find the whole concept of good and evil incredibly outdated. What I actually enjoy is when a story completely deconstructs those tropes and shows you that, in the end, we’re all just human beings with our own interests. What separates us from others isn’t morality so much as whether our interests align with ethical values or not.
I also don’t think that the means you use to achieve your goals define you. So, the whole idea that dark magic is terrible and corrupts your soul? I mean, I get that this started as a children’s book series meant for a teen audience, but even so, it feels ridiculously simplistic. "A Series of Unfortunate Events" is also a children’s series, yet it handles the concept of morality in a much more mature and interesting way, with less black-and-white thinking.
Rowling is also inconsistent because her stories don’t revolve around good and evil but around the characters she likes versus those she doesn’t. The ones she likes can do all kinds of horrible things and still get excused by the narrative, while the ones she dislikes get crucified. For example:
She hates Pansy Parkinson for being a bully to Hermione, but Ginny is basically the same archetype—a girl who needs male validation and behaves like a bully—yet we’re supposed to see her as the coolest girl in school.
Manipulating people is awful when Tom Riddle does it as a teenager, but Dumbledore raising a child like a sacrificial lamb is somehow "the greater good."
Draco is terrible for being a privileged kid who bullies his classmates, but James Potter literally strips a classmate in front of the whole school, and we’re just told, “He matured, end of story.”
Sirius’ family is the worst for hating him because of his choices and friends, but the Weasleys are saints even though they made Percy’s life hell for daring to want a better future for himself.
She constantly contradicts herself because she’s not coherent with the message she’s trying to send. Instead, she just uses the text to express which behaviors or types of people she dislikes, making them out to be the worst, while forgiving everything for the people and behaviors she favors.
This same inconsistency applies to the issue of dark magic.
First of all, the Unforgivable Curses don’t make any sense, at least not the Imperius Curse. Why is Imperius an Unforgivable Curse when there are spells like Obliviate that wizards use casually, as if they were just putting on sunglasses, to corrupt and violate people’s minds—especially Muggles, who aren’t even asked for consent before getting lobotomized? It’s horrifying how normalized its use is throughout the series, as if erasing someone’s memories and invading their mind is no big deal. Honestly, wizards deserve to have Muggles stick a nuclear missile up their asses just for that.
I can understand Avada Kedavra and Crucio from the perspective that one is about killing and the other is about torture, which makes sense for a children’s book. But that’s the thing: these are childish curses. Let’s be real, are you seriously telling me that Avada Kedavra, which kills you instantly, is worse than Crucio, which inflicts unbearable pain and can drive you insane? Torture is far worse than death. With Avada Kedavra, you die instantly and don’t even feel it; the other could land you in a psychiatric ward for life.
And honestly, is it really worse than a love potion? A love potion is literally designed to sexually abuse people. That’s far worse and more reprehensible than just killing someone. The idea that someone could give you a potion to make you want to engage in romantic or affectionate behavior against your will? It’s literally like spiking someone’s drink with a date-rape drug at a club. Are you seriously telling me using a dark magic curse is worse than that? What kind of ethics or morality exists in that world? It’s inconsistent and incoherent.
Lily’s line about “at least the Marauders didn’t use dark magic” makes me sick. As if using dark curses were the ultimate, unimaginable sin. So, if I bash someone’s head in with a bat, that’s fine because it’s not dark magic? If I burn down my neighbor’s house with them inside, that’s fine because it’s not dark magic? If I assault someone, that’s okay because it’s not dark magic? What kind of ridiculous logic is that?
I think there are far worse things than dark magic. I get that it’s simplistic because you’re not going to throw these kinds of dark moral dilemmas at kids. But still, it feels like they’re insulting your intelligence a bit.
In any case, I like to think that wizards are just culturally stupid because there’s no way you could tell a Muggle, “If you kill someone, it’ll corrupt your soul,” and not have them laugh in your face after watching the news three times a day, where every time slot features at least a dozen homicides.
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