#pluralpunk is RIGHT there

[delphientropy]

SYSTEMPUNK / SYSPUNK IS NOT AN ENDO INCLUSIVE TAG. YOU HAVE PLURALPUNK. STAY IN YOUR OWN SPACE. PLEASE STOP INVADING OURS. PLEASE LET US HAVE OUR SPACES. PLEASE LEAVE US ALONE. YOU HAVE YOUR OWN TAG. JUST USE THAT.

[the-sixteen-horsemen]

being a system is having one of your headmates say the wildest shit known to man and just going "WHAT." while turning around to look at nothing

this post is NOT for anti endos!!

[pt: this post is not for anti endos!!]

[moonpool-system]

being a sysmedicalist bootlicker isn't punk. I'm so glad that I have DID and I'm traumagenic yet I'm also not making a mockery of punk history by parroting a piss-poor anti-research pro-psych imitation of real punk ideologies. #pluralpunk lets goooo

[interstellarsystem]

psychologists have confirmed multiple times that you can only have DID / OSDD / be a system WITH TRAUMA so being neutral or pro on the subject means you are okay with people faking a serious disorder interacting with your content and you are okay with people taking away resources for people who genuinely need the help.

https://psychcentral.com/disorders/dissociative-identity-disorder/dissociative-identity-disorder-causes#what-is-it

hope this helps.

Look, we don't normally answer anon hate but we've been meaning to post about this anyway. So your ask is going to be my podium for a moment.

Firstly, we're literally diagnosed, so if you're hoping to change our mind and send us packing our bags because we're "hurting real systems", you're literally only going to make us laugh. Diagnosis isn't a factor in someone's reality, sure, but... We're literally professionally diagnosed. You, anon, can't change that, no matter what you think of us being quoigenic. So I'm not even sure why you're here or what you hope to achieve.

Anyway.

"Psychologists have confirmed multiple times that you can only have DID / OSDD / be a system WITH TRAUMA"

I'd like to see these "multiple times" psychologists have confirmed that you CAN ONLY have DID/OSDD/be a system with trauma. In fact, the one source you linked? It says "is usually associated with adverse experiences and traumatic memories". Usually being they key word here.

Do they go into the reasoning behind traumagenic plurality after that? Yes. But they specified usually in the beginning. That's not "occurs only from". It's not "is usually caused by". It's "is usually associated with".

That quick nitpick aside!

Endogenics do not have to have DID, and many don't claim to have it. Being disordered (aka, having symptoms that fit the criteria for a disorder or are disordered in general) and being endogenic (aka having a system origin not based in trauma) are separate things. Origin is a self-defined trait! It's something you label yourself/selves with, based on what you know/feel about the beginning of your system. Being disordered, aka having DID/OSDD/Other CDDs is a separate thing entirely. Those are medical conditions. They're conditions with a symptom that is being plural, sure! But they have so many other symptoms that define them--which you need to fill a certain number of to qualify for a diagnosis.

A lot of endogenics are nondisordered. They don't claim to have any sort of CDD, because they simply don't! They usually don't experience disordered symptoms, they don't experience the levels of dissociation tied with CDDs, they don't claim to have any (or many) other symptoms associated with CDDs. You know why? Because they're literally nondisordered. They aren't claiming to have DID, because they just... don't fit the symptoms for it, and they know that. They're plural--which is a symptom of DID, sure! But saying they claim to have DID based on being multiple alone is like claiming that everyone who says they cough is claiming to have asthma. Plurality, in medicalised terms, is a single symptom (though we'd prefer not to define it that way, for the sake of this post I'm medicalising it) of some CDDs--it's not the whole thing itself.

In short, nondisordered endogenics don't claim to have DID. At all.

"But you say you have quoigenic DID, and you advocate for people with endogenic DID! So endos do claim to have DID!" Note: Not in the original ask, just a predicted response.

Yes, we do. Because regardless of your origin, you can still have disordered symptoms. Origin, in our personal opinion, only defines the start of your journey as plural, and is almost entirely useless otherwise. It doesn't define anything about your functioning, or your structure, or life experiences. It's just the starting point of your system. An endogenic system who fits all the diagnostic criteria for DID still has DID--regardless of their origin. DID is about the symptoms, as any other disorder is. If you match the symptoms? You should be able to access resources that you need to heal.

How does that work? Some systems could experience trauma that causes disordered symptoms later in life, after they were already plural. You could end up with disordered symptoms from other disorders that intertwine with your plurality. You could've made a tulpa as a kid and then started experiencing symptoms closer to DID as you got older. Some systems could just not care about labelling their origin based around trauma--they don't want it to define them. It doesn't matter in the end--once again, if someone experiences disordered symptoms, and matches the criteria? They have the disorder.

"Being neutral or pro on the subject means you are okay with people faking a serious disorder interacting with your content..."

Way to put words in our mouth? For the record, we don't care to try to hunt down "fakers" interacting with us. It's not worth the effort in the slightest. People will likely fake shit about themselves sometimes, and then they'll grow up. People we disagree with probably see our posts all the time. Who cares? Our blog is public, shit's bound to happen--we're an adult and we have a life that takes up enough energy for us to stop giving a shit about who's in our notes. We have a block button, we can use it if we need to. It's literally that simple.

That aside!

We see a lot of "endos are either faking or mistaken traumagenic systems" going around, so I'm going to include a bit of that topic in here too because they go hand in hand.

Genuinely, who cares what someone says their origin is? As we said earlier, endogenics don't claim to have DID/OSDD if they're nondisordered. So... There's clearly no disorder to even fake there? What would they gain out of pretending to be a nondisordered system aside from... Harrassment from people like you, anon? Doesn't seem like a fun pastime. If people want to fake being nondisordered and endogenic, honestly they're putting themselves more in harms way than they're actually harming others around them, most of the time.

As for disordered endogenic systems... Sure, you're of the opinion that CDDs can only come from trauma. You think they're wrong about their origin. But people with CDDs, regardless of what they beleive their origin is, still have CDDs. You can't decide their beliefs for them, or how disordered they are based on that. I'm sure some endogenics are "secretly traumagenic" and don't know about it. But does it really, actually matter what labels people use? If someone is struggling and experiencing disordered symptoms, why does it matter if they define their origin as something other than the commonly accepted explanation? Why should people have to always define themselves by their own suffering to be seen as "valid"?

Disordered endogenics are people who need help, they don't need to be harrassed online about what labels they use to describe their own lives. Even if it were true that every endogenic system was faking or was traumagenic but mistaken, the "fake systems" would eventually grow up and stop, and the "secret traumagenics" would still need help anyway, no matter what they call themselves. Calling them out and harrassing them over their personal choice of labels is stupid. They have the disorder you claim to protect. Why does it matter to you what they call themselves? Someone could say their origin is them sneezing so hard one time that it split their brain in two, we literally wouldn't care about that. If they're disordered, they deserve resources to help them. Anyone with a disability deserves access to help, regardless of if they're someone you personally agree with or not.

"...and you are okay with people taking away resources for people who genuinely need the help."

Putting words in my mouth again, but, anyway...

I'd like to extend to you, anon, if you care to respond--and any other person out there who wants to actually answer me--what resources are being taken away by endogenics here?

Is it DID specialists? Are nondisordered endogenics taking those? Why would they need access to medical care for DID if they're not experiencing DID? They wouldn't, usually. They might need help to manage internal system relationships, or they might need help for other mental or physical health issues--which.. Are absolutely valid reasons to seek medical help anyway. So why should they not see professionals if they have a reason to see them?

Are disordered endogenics taking them from you? I think the key word here is "disordered". They have a disorder. Why wouldn't they be able to see one? What is someone with DID taking away from... other people with DID?

If it's not DID specialists, what other resource is being taken? Self-help books and/or PDFs aren't limited or finite most of the time... Doctors and general psychologists can have the same logic as above applied to them... Support spaces are there for people who need them, so if endogenics need support from other systems then they deserve those spaces.... What else could endogenic systems possibly be taking from you?

Literally, we have never received an answer for this that makes sense. What are they taking away? And why do they not deserve it if they feel they require that resource? What is "resources" here?

[pluralhottakes]

i’ll say it! there’s a handful of anti endos out there that are probably actually endogenic. that’s my hot take

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[daybreaksys]

Attention Plural Community

I am a Psychology graduate with an opportunity to conduct a research for a Master's Degree. We were originally going to study and detail how alter formation occurs in our system, but I want to produce a paper which will benefit the Plural Community, not RAMCOA organisations.

What research do you want? What research do you believe would benefit plurals and the plural community? Especially something which would bring us closer to legally gaining our rights.

Please spread this post around.

[canis-constellate]

not a DID collective (a collective that is ultimately defined and created by their DID) but a collective that has DID (we are plural and our plurality is modified by our DID, but is not defined or created by it) in the same way that we aren't traumagenic (with our origins and our collective being defined by the trauma we faced) but rather adaptive (with our origins and collective being defined by how we adapted not just to the trauma we faced in the past, but other things we still experience, such as our schizophrenia and personality disorders)

[scars-and-fragments]

HELP. US

[thecovenofcrows]

Please welcome! Minuet the melodious maestra!

[pt: Please welcome! Minuet the melodious maestra!] (note; best when read on dark mode)

Hello everyone, I’m Minuet the melodious maestra. I’m a quiogenic introject(?) based off of the melodious maestra sub archetype who first appeared on 11/11/2024.

I’d like to think of myself as productive and elegant. I place a good deal in honor and defending it, so I’ll be dealing with anything taken as an insult to the system.

I mainly use the following pronouns:

it/it/its/its/itself

card/card/cards/cards/cardself

yug/ioh/yugioh/yugiohs/yugiohself

though I do technically have a longer list.

[v-is-for-vivienne]

"endos just make me uncomfortable" ain't the neutral stance some of y'all think it is. if we don't tolerate "otherkin makes me uncomfortable" or "x group of trans people make me uncomfortable" or "gay people make me uncomfortable" why do we tolerate this? those are people, with an identity they likely did not choose and would be rid of* in an instant if they could to get rid of the hate they receive for it. living, breathing people, with lives, who vary, and have different opinions and personalities, and many of which are indistinguishable from a traumagenic system if you actually spoke to them for a minute, especially without knowing.

endos do not make you uncomfortable, the idea of them do. I have a hard time believing any of you have ever spoken to or even seen one outside of the context of the content used to hurt them. shut up about being neutral and "just uncomfortable". nothing neutral about it.

*the endogenic or otherwise highly controversial origin, less so the being plural

[normalmcguy]

I AM PLURAL I AM FRIENDLY I AM APPROACHABLE YOU CAN DM ME THAT'S WHAT THIS POST IS ABOUT. I AM BEFRIENDABLE, TRY IT

HELLO HELLO my name is Normal Guy because i don't care to publicly go by my source name and i kind of just didn't care to find a real name to replace that original placeholder, you can also call me Norm or Marty being that they're both short for Normal Guy.* pronouns wise, you can call me he or like if you really want it or they or actually pretty much whatever, mostly just that he/him stuff

i'm one of like 5 current hosts in my system and i'm like woah i just checked it turns out on this day i've turned 100 days old in this system that's actually crazy to me. i mean woah. anyways i'm a factive of an old old friend's fictive** which means i have a connection to a source we know like nothing about except what we learned through osmosis back when we were friends and so basically i picked up a lot of what is probably just some sect of fanon

i'm a HUGE bike guy like that's my main hobby i have to bike like every single time i front type thing, that's gonna be like. my 'get to know me' fact for this intro post. i have an E-bike that i love more than anything in this world it has a name you can dm me and ask. i say this both to create mystery and allure about myself and to provide an adequate conversation starter. because i'm so nice and all that.

i do my best not to get into discourse of most types, but real quick i wanna make it clear that i believe in and support endogenic systems and don't care to debate on that. in case that's something that would prevent you from reaching out or whatever, feel like i oughta make that one clear

*i'm sorry that bit's a lie, Marty is not actually short for normal guy. if you didnt know.

**i have the source in the tags i'm not putting that shit out in the open because it's like a whooole complex thing for me (i mean i have a good few friends outside of the system and literally not a single one knows my source. i have genuinely only ever shared my source with people within this system so you're gonna have to work (open the tags and read like 2 more lines of yapping) to see that one) also i'm not that connected to begin with just basic pseudomemories

[tempesttz]

so it turns out leaning towards more "we are all collectively still one individual" language/perception instead of singular, "we're a bunch of different people piloting a meat suit" perception may have been bad for me

[moonpool-system]

Only in fucking Tumblr discourse can widely used, important words like pluralphobia and pluralmisia that dictate a significant type of oppression suddenly be under question as to whether or not it actually EXISTS. Like, these are not new words. Saying it doesn't exist is a direct attack on ALL systems/plurals, disordered or not, in an attempt to shut us into silence. This hypocrisy is an exact example of why plural rights movements struggle to move forward. Sys/meds are a danger to plural rights as trans/meds are a danger to trans rights and I'm really tired of anyone pretending otherwise.

[This post was made by a trans disordered system with traumagenic members. Do not screenshot and claim otherwise.]

[doomsvampire]

The rest of the system can snicker at me listening to monster high music at my big age all they want it won’t stop me from getting absolutely loose to it.

[pluralhottakes]

Hot take

You guys can act similar and be different people

You can like the same things and be different people

If you feel like different people, 9 times outa 10

You are

-Everist & Atsuo

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[werewolfs-of-gotham]

Me and my stupid fucking (canon) family