#pluralpunk is RIGHT there

[delphientropy]

SYSTEMPUNK / SYSPUNK IS NOT AN ENDO INCLUSIVE TAG. YOU HAVE PLURALPUNK. STAY IN YOUR OWN SPACE. PLEASE STOP INVADING OURS. PLEASE LET US HAVE OUR SPACES. PLEASE LEAVE US ALONE. YOU HAVE YOUR OWN TAG. JUST USE THAT.

[russ14n-r0ul3tt3]

being a system is having one of your headmates say the wildest shit known to man and just going "WHAT." while turning around to look at nothing

this post is NOT for anti endos!!

[pt: this post is not for anti endos!!]

[moonpool-system]

being a sysmedicalist bootlicker isn't punk. I'm so glad that I have DID and I'm traumagenic yet I'm also not making a mockery of punk history by parroting a piss-poor anti-research pro-psych imitation of real punk ideologies. #pluralpunk lets goooo

[enigmatic-freaks]

does anyone else sit there staring at their simply plural because you know someones there but dont know who AND THEY WONT TELL YOU

[interstellarsystem]

psychologists have confirmed multiple times that you can only have DID / OSDD / be a system WITH TRAUMA so being neutral or pro on the subject means you are okay with people faking a serious disorder interacting with your content and you are okay with people taking away resources for people who genuinely need the help.

https://psychcentral.com/disorders/dissociative-identity-disorder/dissociative-identity-disorder-causes#what-is-it

hope this helps.

Look, we don't normally answer anon hate but we've been meaning to post about this anyway. So your ask is going to be my podium for a moment.

Firstly, we're literally diagnosed, so if you're hoping to change our mind and send us packing our bags because we're "hurting real systems", you're literally only going to make us laugh. Diagnosis isn't a factor in someone's reality, sure, but... We're literally professionally diagnosed. You, anon, can't change that, no matter what you think of us being quoigenic. So I'm not even sure why you're here or what you hope to achieve.

Anyway.

"Psychologists have confirmed multiple times that you can only have DID / OSDD / be a system WITH TRAUMA"

I'd like to see these "multiple times" psychologists have confirmed that you CAN ONLY have DID/OSDD/be a system with trauma. In fact, the one source you linked? It says "is usually associated with adverse experiences and traumatic memories". Usually being they key word here.

Do they go into the reasoning behind traumagenic plurality after that? Yes. But they specified usually in the beginning. That's not "occurs only from". It's not "is usually caused by". It's "is usually associated with".

That quick nitpick aside!

Endogenics do not have to have DID, and many don't claim to have it. Being disordered (aka, having symptoms that fit the criteria for a disorder or are disordered in general) and being endogenic (aka having a system origin not based in trauma) are separate things. Origin is a self-defined trait! It's something you label yourself/selves with, based on what you know/feel about the beginning of your system. Being disordered, aka having DID/OSDD/Other CDDs is a separate thing entirely. Those are medical conditions. They're conditions with a symptom that is being plural, sure! But they have so many other symptoms that define them--which you need to fill a certain number of to qualify for a diagnosis.

A lot of endogenics are nondisordered. They don't claim to have any sort of CDD, because they simply don't! They usually don't experience disordered symptoms, they don't experience the levels of dissociation tied with CDDs, they don't claim to have any (or many) other symptoms associated with CDDs. You know why? Because they're literally nondisordered. They aren't claiming to have DID, because they just... don't fit the symptoms for it, and they know that. They're plural--which is a symptom of DID, sure! But saying they claim to have DID based on being multiple alone is like claiming that everyone who says they cough is claiming to have asthma. Plurality, in medicalised terms, is a single symptom (though we'd prefer not to define it that way, for the sake of this post I'm medicalising it) of some CDDs--it's not the whole thing itself.

In short, nondisordered endogenics don't claim to have DID. At all.

"But you say you have quoigenic DID, and you advocate for people with endogenic DID! So endos do claim to have DID!" Note: Not in the original ask, just a predicted response.

Yes, we do. Because regardless of your origin, you can still have disordered symptoms. Origin, in our personal opinion, only defines the start of your journey as plural, and is almost entirely useless otherwise. It doesn't define anything about your functioning, or your structure, or life experiences. It's just the starting point of your system. An endogenic system who fits all the diagnostic criteria for DID still has DID--regardless of their origin. DID is about the symptoms, as any other disorder is. If you match the symptoms? You should be able to access resources that you need to heal.

How does that work? Some systems could experience trauma that causes disordered symptoms later in life, after they were already plural. You could end up with disordered symptoms from other disorders that intertwine with your plurality. You could've made a tulpa as a kid and then started experiencing symptoms closer to DID as you got older. Some systems could just not care about labelling their origin based around trauma--they don't want it to define them. It doesn't matter in the end--once again, if someone experiences disordered symptoms, and matches the criteria? They have the disorder.

"Being neutral or pro on the subject means you are okay with people faking a serious disorder interacting with your content..."

Way to put words in our mouth? For the record, we don't care to try to hunt down "fakers" interacting with us. It's not worth the effort in the slightest. People will likely fake shit about themselves sometimes, and then they'll grow up. People we disagree with probably see our posts all the time. Who cares? Our blog is public, shit's bound to happen--we're an adult and we have a life that takes up enough energy for us to stop giving a shit about who's in our notes. We have a block button, we can use it if we need to. It's literally that simple.

That aside!

We see a lot of "endos are either faking or mistaken traumagenic systems" going around, so I'm going to include a bit of that topic in here too because they go hand in hand.

Genuinely, who cares what someone says their origin is? As we said earlier, endogenics don't claim to have DID/OSDD if they're nondisordered. So... There's clearly no disorder to even fake there? What would they gain out of pretending to be a nondisordered system aside from... Harrassment from people like you, anon? Doesn't seem like a fun pastime. If people want to fake being nondisordered and endogenic, honestly they're putting themselves more in harms way than they're actually harming others around them, most of the time.

As for disordered endogenic systems... Sure, you're of the opinion that CDDs can only come from trauma. You think they're wrong about their origin. But people with CDDs, regardless of what they beleive their origin is, still have CDDs. You can't decide their beliefs for them, or how disordered they are based on that. I'm sure some endogenics are "secretly traumagenic" and don't know about it. But does it really, actually matter what labels people use? If someone is struggling and experiencing disordered symptoms, why does it matter if they define their origin as something other than the commonly accepted explanation? Why should people have to always define themselves by their own suffering to be seen as "valid"?

Disordered endogenics are people who need help, they don't need to be harrassed online about what labels they use to describe their own lives. Even if it were true that every endogenic system was faking or was traumagenic but mistaken, the "fake systems" would eventually grow up and stop, and the "secret traumagenics" would still need help anyway, no matter what they call themselves. Calling them out and harrassing them over their personal choice of labels is stupid. They have the disorder you claim to protect. Why does it matter to you what they call themselves? Someone could say their origin is them sneezing so hard one time that it split their brain in two, we literally wouldn't care about that. If they're disordered, they deserve resources to help them. Anyone with a disability deserves access to help, regardless of if they're someone you personally agree with or not.

"...and you are okay with people taking away resources for people who genuinely need the help."

Putting words in my mouth again, but, anyway...

I'd like to extend to you, anon, if you care to respond--and any other person out there who wants to actually answer me--what resources are being taken away by endogenics here?

Is it DID specialists? Are nondisordered endogenics taking those? Why would they need access to medical care for DID if they're not experiencing DID? They wouldn't, usually. They might need help to manage internal system relationships, or they might need help for other mental or physical health issues--which.. Are absolutely valid reasons to seek medical help anyway. So why should they not see professionals if they have a reason to see them?

Are disordered endogenics taking them from you? I think the key word here is "disordered". They have a disorder. Why wouldn't they be able to see one? What is someone with DID taking away from... other people with DID?

If it's not DID specialists, what other resource is being taken? Self-help books and/or PDFs aren't limited or finite most of the time... Doctors and general psychologists can have the same logic as above applied to them... Support spaces are there for people who need them, so if endogenics need support from other systems then they deserve those spaces.... What else could endogenic systems possibly be taking from you?

Literally, we have never received an answer for this that makes sense. What are they taking away? And why do they not deserve it if they feel they require that resource? What is "resources" here?

[pluralhottakes]

i’ll say it! there’s a handful of anti endos out there that are probably actually endogenic. that’s my hot take

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[the-fictive-haven]

I'm not okay.

Society has pushed me down, calling me useless and all manner of foul things, telling me I need to be fixed.

That I need to be functional.

That I need to change myself in order to have a place in this world, because those of us who can't pull ourselves together live a life in the shadows of others that some would call barely worth living.

I can't. So what now? Even knowing how useless and bleak it seems, knowing I don't have the energy or the will to continue fighting for long and am running on fumes and spite at best, I can't resign myself to that fate.

Fuck all the motivational posters, quotes and whatnot meant for able-bodied people with a brain that doesn't actively fight them every day. It just doesn't work like that. And yet we're made to feel bad, to think ourselves lazy, when we can't motivate ourselves to even try. We beat ourselves up just as much if not more than the outsiders who couldn't even begin to understand our struggles. We can't accept that sometimes we're just not okay.

Sometimes we just can't do it.

Sometimes we need to rest more than others do.

Sometimes we need to cancel plans because the brain and body decide to rebel against us that day.

Sometimes we can't eat healthy or exercise even if we want to.

Sometimes we're just trying to survive. And surviving itself is an act of resistance.

We're not okay, and we're also not alone. There are often others right beside you, suffering their invisible struggles in silence. Wondering if today will be the day they finally lose it all.

We're not okay. And it's okay not to be okay.

It's okay to ask for help, and it's okay if you can't right now.

It's okay to accept help if it's extended to you, even if you don't feel like you deserve it.

It's okay to have days where you just can't do anything.

It's okay to have a messy living space, because you can't for the life of you bring yourself to clean up.

It's okay to have chores that go undone today because you don't have it in you to do them.

It's okay to not feel like talking to people today.

It's okay to have coping methods outside the realm of what's considered "healthy".

It's okay to cry.

It's okay to be angry.

It's okay to be afraid.

It's okay to be in pain.

It's okay to be exhausted.

It's okay to wish things were different.

It's okay to use that mobility aid, even if you feel like you "don't really need it".

It's okay to use whatever you have available for communication, for whatever reason you may be uncomfortable with or unable to speak.

It's okay if your disability makes other people uncomfortable. It's not your responsibility to cater to them. And it's also okay if you still feel like you have to hide it.

It's okay if your disability and the accomodations you need inconveniences other people. You don't need to apologize. And it's okay if you feel compelled to apologize anyway.

It's okay to advocate for yourself, and have others advocate for you. It's okay if this pisses able-bodied people off. You're not the asshole for fighting for your right to accessibility.

You're just trying to survive.

We're all just trying to survive.

And I'm proud of each and every one of you for making it this far. For surviving, even if just barely. We're here for you, if you want to keep surviving together. We're reaching out a hand, and you're invited to take it.

You're not obligated to, of course. Even if you don't, just know we see you and your struggles, and we appreciate the fact that you're alive. You're part of our community, even if you don't engage with it.

You are loved, by us if by no one else, and you are worthy of love. Yes, even you, with all your struggles and baggage. Even though you're broken. We'll be the ones to appreciate and protect all of the pieces - we won't try to force you back together, we won't try to "fix" you, because we understand that it isn't fucking helpful.

We're broken too. We've been there. People have tried to fix us and only done more damage.

We're not okay. We may never really be okay. And that's okay.

[archaeopronoouns]

So because its good to embrace the "all systems are different" mindset, here are some things... Because i want to

Instead of pointless and/or jobless spores , the brain only introjects characters with a personality it wants , or if it has a quality that will prove helpful . even then , the brain does not like to introject charas .

We have only a few fictives . all of our members are either brainmade/entives , or from our own BAH packs that f1 makes in sp

We believe in multiverse theory , and that theres multiple realms and realitys .. Thus ! Headspace is not just a place in the brain , it is an actual , real , living place that can be shaped .

I mean , we have facets and parts , but they arent really .. Sentient , i suppose ? Not in our eyes . they are simply masks to be worn , and for the brain to discard whenever it chooses .

[cupofdirtandworms]

You know what? Forget coming out as plural to our parents, thats stressful and not silly. We're just going to vaguely refer to ourselves as multiple people in front of them until they get the hint. That's silly. That's whimsical.

[daybreaksys]

Attention Plural Community

I am a Psychology graduate with an opportunity to conduct a research for a Master's Degree. We were originally going to study and detail how alter formation occurs in our system, but I want to produce a paper which will benefit the Plural Community, not RAMCOA organisations.

What research do you want? What research do you believe would benefit plurals and the plural community? Especially something which would bring us closer to legally gaining our rights.

Please spread this post around.

[canis-constellate]

i think a true form (not the true form, but certainly one of them) of love of overt (or less than "fully" covert) plurality over the interwebs is being able to tell, if not always exactly who's fronting, that someone specific is fronting who's distinguishable from others just by seeing their typing style & word choice. i may not always know your name but i see that you exist as your own being and i think that's beautiful :]

[statesys]

I love my headmates

[imjustaf444keriguess]

take care of yalls selves, don't yell into the syscourse echochamber too much and go outside at some point, or at least do something nice, for yourselves or others.

eat something nice and remember to drink water. and take your meds if needed. and do some stretches too. do art or sing or dance and stay as positive as you can.

[moonpool-system]

Only in fucking Tumblr discourse can widely used, important words like pluralphobia and pluralmisia that dictate a significant type of oppression suddenly be under question as to whether or not it actually EXISTS. Like, these are not new words. Saying it doesn't exist is a direct attack on ALL systems/plurals, disordered or not, in an attempt to shut us into silence. This hypocrisy is an exact example of why plural rights movements struggle to move forward. Sys/meds are a danger to plural rights as trans/meds are a danger to trans rights and I'm really tired of anyone pretending otherwise.

[This post was made by a trans disordered system with traumagenic members. Do not screenshot and claim otherwise.]

[pluralhottakes]

Hot take

You guys can act similar and be different people

You can like the same things and be different people

If you feel like different people, 9 times outa 10

You are

-Everist & Atsuo

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[scars-and-fragments]

HELP. US