#fictional introject shit

[carnage-cathedral]

it's actually really unfair to pressure fictives to source separate. did you ever consider that me being "the guy from the show" is part of why the system considered me a good candidate for the role? or that I like being me? or that the people I was assigned to protect are more comforted by me the closer I am to source? not to mention, forcing an alter (someone who is inherently traumatized and struggles with identity) to abandon everything they know about themself just because you think it's "problematic" for them to be attached to source is pretty unfair. 9/10, us being attached to source, using our source names, using source pictures as icons, etc. hurts no one. if you ask me, forcing fictives to separate from themselves (which is usually the only comfort we have in this world) is far more damaging and unhealthy than us simply existing as ourselves. "you aren't your source" should only apply to source actions, not the identity itself

my name's Billy Butcher and I'm a fictive from The Boys. that's who I am, and that's who I wanna be. if you're a fictive too, I see you, and I'll see you and perceive you exactly as you'd like me to, because it's up to you to decide who you wanna be, and how you wanna be treated. and I don't think anyone should have any right to tell us whether or not we're allowed to be who we are

[the-fictive-haven]

Oh yeah by the way after our other post about finally switching properly we've started doing it way more consistently. Like we broke through some kind of barrier and it's mostly natural now. Not sure what that's about but cool 👍

I'm also apparently our second most frequent fronter this week

-⚡Surge

[poisoned-sugar11]

I'm putting this on main because I actually want people to see it.

I really don't understand the divide some people have between introjects in systems and the fictionkin community. I'm a fictive. I am also spiritually fictionkin. My kintypes and who I originally introjected as feel the same level of importance to me.

Meanwhile, there's a sort of hierarchy that seems to vary from person to person. Fictionkin are treated as the actual spiritual reincarnations of their kintypes, while introjects are just brushed off as being a form of mental illness. While I don't experience psychosis to my knowledge, I've also seen cruelty towards IRLs due to people "not wanting to feed into delusions."

I'm considering no longer differentiating my source as an introject from my sources as a member of the fictionkin community. I'm sick of being brushed off. I'm sick of people expecting me to act separate from my source while praising fictionkins for embracing their kin euphoria. Treat me as a fictionkin if you're someone who treats fictionkins and fictives differently.

-Martin (I am a Fukase, Martin Blackwood, a mutant from pafl (not sure which yet), and a few of Qualia's own characters).

[machinesnuff]

so, let me get this straight... some nolifer got mad that your wife has an introject/they are an introject of a specific robot/ai thingy and that this person cant '"keep that robot/ai to themselves only" basically???? damn have that person tried electric chair- /hj

okay i dont wanna be a dick about this person or anything but pretttty much. And I repeat I have nothing against them, I don't want to shittalk them or whatever, and I decided that I just don't wanna deal with that on my blogs that I come to after long days of work, dealing with disability and etc. to relax and unwind and talk about fucking fictional machines.

And like. I get it from their side I really do, some people are very strong about their selfshipping, the thing that honestly annoyed me wasn't the Wild request to tag Any Mention Of My IRL Fiancè Existing or the implication I was somehow doing this on purpose, but that they didn't even bother talking to Or Even just Unfollowing my wife. Yknow. The real life human being who's existence they wanted trigger tagged. they still follow her (and it stresses him to no end)

I don't wanna make drama out of it, I just think it was a poorly handled kinda a bit shitty thing to do.

[tragedy-with-a-melody]

Haiii bestie 4laifur!! Of course!!!! This shit is bananas! I appreciate u always tooo 🫶🫶

if your work is more canon divergent indulgent vent based au stuff then you shouldn't use main tags and instead specialized ones (especially if you're a whumper and tadca believer which your art often seems to fall into) because people deserve accurate portrayals of characters without having to wade through bastardizations of the characters also don't use characters to "get back" at ccs and their fans especially since there's plenty of c and non cc fans (not to mention introjects) fandom space is already often toxic please try not to contribute to the issue thank you

-a c!dream AND c!tommy kinnie

hi my work is not usually canon divergent !!! while my art does tend to fall into venting categories as their dynamic is very relatable to me (and i am a ctommy introject) , i tend to stay pretty close to canon with my depictions of them! and most of my recent art has been from things directly from canon! if youd rather not see my work involving the canon dark themes on the dream smp you should filter out the word abuse, or just c!discduo in general because thats a big aspect in their dynamic!! or just block me! i dont think ive personally used the characters to get back at cc's .? but okay? fandom spaces have operated with dark themes before i think we will be fine

[regretevator-confessions]

Some of you, I think, are far too comfortable being little haters. Which is completely insane for me to say, seeing that I'm an introject of fucking AM and my only purpose is to hate.

I don't give a shit about Regretevator. The other people inside this stupid little body do, though, so I've seen my fair share of completely idiotic takes from some of you people.

Let me remind you, this is a Roblox game we're talking about. Unpleasant Gradient is a fictional character. SlimYim is a fictional character. Pilby is a fictional character. Folly is a fictional character. Why is that so hard for you people to understand?

I can't take any of you seriously when you talk about/treat some of these characters like they've killed your entire family. Who cares if you don't like them? Who cares if others do? It's a Roblox game! Jesus Christ! I hate Pilby too, but there's hardly any reason to get violent about it. Don't you have other issues to take care of?

Admittedly, my take may be a bit skewed. I don't know a lot about the game, and I only remember the negative parts of the fandom. But still. Some of you need to step away from the computer for a little while.

Also, the Gnarpy redesign is better. The old design was just plain bad.

[chompy-jester]

Alters exist based on the current needs of the individual with a CDD, not what media they're into or hyperfixated on. That's kinda why I don't get the whole "yeah I wanted to watch that new show but I'll split every character from it so I better not hehe!!" because that's just factually not how that works. Maybe you don't know why an alter split. That doesn't mean it was because you watched the show, maybe even while you had a mildly stressful test coming up, and your brain was like "yeah I need all of them because I like them".

That's not to shit on anyone with a lot of fictional introjects or who split more easily than most, you can't help that, but I've yet to find anything to support the idea that a fixation or interest can be the sole cause of a split. A character that influences an introject will have some quality(s) that are necessary for survival, be it because they have a personality trait(s) that would protect you or somehow in some capacity their likeness helps you compartmentalize an adverse experience.

So no, you don't have to worry that you'll split every character if you watch a new show and enjoy it. Even if you undergo stress or trauma, those introjects would also have to happen to be exactly what your brain needs to survive your current circumstances. And the odds of every character in a show being what your brain needs to compartmentalize adverse experiences are extremely slim.

If you have 5 splits over the month that you're watching a show and they all happen to be introjected from characters from it, I mean that's atypical but say it happened, 5 splits would have almost definitely happened whether or not you watched the show. There are always exceptions, like if the show triggered some old trauma due to a very similar experience, but generally speaking that would be unlikely.

I'm not even trying to police people's experiences but I think some people genuinely misunderstand how alters work on a fundamental level and fear basic experiences like watching a movie because they don't want to split. Like maybe they split an introject based on a character before and think it must be because they liked that movie and were a bit stressed at the time of watching it when that isn't the actual reason. Idk

[noisytenant]

i think it would be too simplistic to say that kinnie shit is the main reason the system zeitgeist is really detached from the literature (especially when some literature IS frequently cited), but i do think that fictional introjects--a documented and completely understandable phenomenon--trying to wed themselves to their sources of inspiration rather than articulating themselves in the real world is a canary in the coalmine for a lot of the other maladaptive patterns we end up seeing.

you could make the case that dissociation is an extreme form of "escape from the self"; to be one person is so intolerable that you escape to another. And then another, and another. so escapism is arguably the driving mode of dissociation.

but if you have these parts of yourself that long to escape BACK to, essentially, a "pre-birth" state, who can't bear to accept the circumstances they're in now, then you're probably more broadly still in an escapist paradigm. and so of course you're gonna be splitting new guys weekly, of course none of you communicate, of course you have these strong and extreme wedges between you and the others and you have these clearly defined boundaries while also, in practice, existing in such a limited context that you haven't really self-actualized.

escapism is an understandable reaction to trauma and severe chronic stress, so rather than dismissing this entire kinnie-system phenomenon as doomed, i think we can build bridges toward an understanding of Living As A System that are more aligned with established and successful therapeutic interventions.

the kinnie-system combo melds two subcultures that magnify maladaptive escapism tenfold. this adds new terminology and points of focus that aren't necessarily relevant or accurate (distinct and discrete identities and roles, "fictive" and "factive" language, source material focus, generally Online behavior and interests), and obscures other experiences (lack of clear identity, blending and blurring, dissociation as a coping mechanism for the stresses of tangible daily life, introjection as a start&not an end) and strategies (expanding the window of tolerance, grounding in the present, unburdening of extreme roles, intra-system cooperation, etc.)

i think as you work toward a grounded view of yourself and accept your reality, you can start to hold yourself more proudly, and own your experiences--even the bizarre one of essentially being a cartoon character ejected from the screen to do dishes.

dissociation is mushy, highly individual, and weird, but also a really practical solution to an impossibly difficult problem. i'd like it if we could change the common vocabulary and perspective to better reflect the diverse and unique experiences of finding a way to live When Guys.

EDIT 04/06/2025: i turned off reblogs as this is an old post that suddenly blew up! i don't disagree with myself here per se, but i would have rather offered more specific alternatives than just problematized what i saw.

i don't really feel the need to make a new post on this topic but i hope it provides you some food for thought on your journey 🌱

[multiplicity-positivity]

Before i begin if this is too discourse-y i deeply apologize and understand if you need to delete this! I don't think it should be but I'm very bad about understanding what is or isn't. /gen

Why, is it so hard for headmates who have "problematic" sources to exist in other plural spaces, whether or not the introject/headmate ids with source or not?

Hazbin hotel/helluva, Harry Potter, etc. I can understand why one may not want to make content for it, but i feel like if i make content myself for us then i feel like I'll have people try to cancel me or bully me. When i already know its problematic and no way do i support the creators.

It just feels like now days people aren't allowed to like/enjoy things that are problematic while KNOWING its problematic because you either get lumped in with Haters Who Watch it and aren't actually critical just, hater bullies, or, people who love it sm they dont see flaws.

i guess tldr version is i hate that at least for ours/us , problematic introjects ( fictional or factives ) are supposed to just.. go into hiding or not use their names.

this did get a bit long and also a bit discoursey. but we really feel you here anon. our response is below the cut.

hey, we’re sorry, we know exactly what you’re talking about, but we do not have a good answer for you. it really is so unfortunate that introjects with problematic sources are so often scorned, cast aside, ignored, or unable to live their lives in ways which are affirming to them.

engaging with ““bad”” or problematic media doesn’t make you a bad person. thought crimes aren’t real. people are capable of consuming media without being like the people within the work and making the same choices. you’re allowed to like hazbin hotel or harry potter or whatever. literally it’s fine. some amount of critical thinking may be necessary (for example, enjoying hp while understanding the author’s bigotry and how that may have influenced the work), but again, consuming problematic media is fine. besides, engaging with media with problematic themes may be cathartic for a lot of people and can even help folks come to terms with their own pasts and trauma histories.

we’re huge proponents of do no harm, take no shit, ie consuming problematic media doesn’t harm anyone. but engaging in harmful or problematic behavior does, so check yourself, and be open to being called out if consuming certain things has influenced you to start acting in harmful ways. as an example of this, our system really loves breaking bad. a character on that show says “bitch” a lot, and that got incorporated into our own lexicon. it was on us though to learn how to curb our language and when it was and wasn’t appropriate to use that word. that doesn’t mean we can no longer enjoy breaking bad. it just means that we have to be cognizant about how the media we love has been influencing us.

but when introjects are involved, people seriously need to understand that these system members are not literally their sources, even if they are extremely source connected. introjects (and we do mean all introjects, not just fictives!) with problematic sources are real. they exist in the real world, and they deserve to be treated as people and respected as equals, not as discourse points or something that exists in theory but not in real life. a hazbin hotel introject making fanart or writing fanfic of their source does not benefit the creator of the original work in any way, and should not be a reflection on that introject or their system’s character. and quite frankly it is no one else’s business how an introject chooses to engage with their source.

we do think that introjects whose source is a real person who committed atrocities or caused grave harm should absolutely keep their source’s victims in mind when they discuss their source in order to be respectful towards other real people who have been harmed. but we believe that just takes cognizance and self awareness with a willingness to center compassion and respect for others and primarily victims of your source in the ways you engage with it publicly.

idk we could go on about this for much longer but in the end:

1. it’s okay to enjoy problematic or flawed media. it’s okay to make fan works for said media. you’re not supporting the original artists or creators by enjoying their flawed work and making fan works of your own.

2. introjects need to be treated as people with rights and agency first and foremost, even if they are incredibly source attached. that means they should have the agency to use their own names or appearances and identifying how they wish. it’s their lives, after all.

3. people in general and especially in the plural community should strive to be more understanding towards introjects, many of which did not get to choose their source, many of which may have complicated relationships with their source, and none of which need to be lectured or preached at about how their source is harmful. like. chances are, they already know.

idk. sorry if this is messy or all over the place, feel free to reach out if you need any clarification or have further questions. introjects with problematic sources will always be welcome on our blog, no questions asked. and we hope to help cultivate a plural community which is kinder and more understanding towards introjects of all stripes.

[damnfandomproblems]

Reply to 8922

I think that people with dissociative disorders and fictives/introjects have the responsibility of not being intrusive about them to other people. Just because you have an origin in a fictional character, somebody's oc, or whatever, it does not give you the permission to butt in conversations, criticize other people on their depictions of the characters, or otherwise be a nuisance on others. Having a highly stigmatized disability does not give you a free pass to be a self-absorbed asshole to other people.

I empathize with the problem OP, although they are being way too close minded by assuming dissociative disorders just don't exist. Doesn't stop their frustration from being real, though -- if anyone ever approached me saying they're my OC irl i would want to hit them with mallets. Very disrespectful and inappropriate behavior from the plural person, but not an excuse to just spout hatred towards an entire marginalized disabled group. I think this is a conversation that needs to be had because this issue gets very polarized very quick, because people overcorrect to the side of "they can do no wrong, its not their fault they have did" or to the side of "this guy is just making shit up for attention". Truth of the matter is, there's a lot of social etiquette that needs to be addressed in this sort of thing.

Im not sure im making sense but yeah

Posting as a response to a previous problem.

[ratinacoat]

What's a random take you think you'd get hate for?

Oh where do I begin. I'll just list some lmao

Most sys communities have no idea what introjection is at all. Introjects aren't "alters based off a source", they're alters who internalize the characteristics of something and it's 9/10 times going to be an abuser. It's a defense mechanism and fictional introjection isn't likely, and it's not even a DID thing. Hyperfixations don't contribute to introjection AT ALL, introjection is so much more than just feeling connected to a character. Minor stress while hyperfixated on something is not the cause of introjection. Autism has never been shown to cause larger amounts of fictional introjection in people with or without DID and insisting that it's related is stupid because there has never been proof of that ever

I'm very critical of self diagnosis. I support self suspecting, "I think I could have this", not "I DO have this." If someone is self diagnosed with DID, I don't automatically think they have DID. That doesn't mean I think they can't have DID or they're faking, but I just assume they're suspecting DID and could be wrong. I don't think people who aren't diagnosed should talk about how DID works from experience because there's such a high chance they're wrong. I will not take information based only on experience seriously from someone undiagnosed, and if someone undiagnosed tried correcting me on DID because it doesn't match their experience, I do not care

Diagnosis isn't a privilege. Being able to CHOOSE to get a diagnosis is the privilege, getting it is not. I got most of my diagnoses from therapy that was forced on me because my issues were so severe at such a young age. That's not a privilege. Insisting everyone diagnosed who's anti self diagnosis or just doesn't think self diagnosis is on the same level of an actual diagnosis is classist is insane and stupid

You can tell when someone is lying about having DID. If you understand how DID works at all, it's so easy to tell. I find it so insanely easy to tell when someone is wrong vs lying as well. No I don't harass people over it or out right call it out, but I don't take what they say seriously and I avoid them. I'm not going to assume professionals are just wrong about how DID/PTSD works just because a literal zygote says you can split without any stressor or some shit

[thatgothvampire]

Reminder that brainmade alters and fragments can latch onto a fictional character to give themself a sense of self. Not every alter forms AS an introject of an outside source. Giving themselves a name and face can really help them. It’s easier to latch onto an outside source for comfort rather than remaining dissociated and confused.

I’m saying this because I see a lot of shit toward introject-heavy systems. Introjects aren’t a literal character reincarnation. It’s a dissociated part forming based off of a character. They’re nothing more than an “inspired by”. And when a person uses outside media to escape their trauma - which a LOT of victims do - it’s only expected that more alters will be based off of these medias and it’s just as expected that brainmades or fragments would latch onto them too.

I hope this makes sense.

[august-zip]

Alright. I have to put this out here again because I keep seeing the misinformation surrounding it.

Your brain, will not, split a new alter just because it likes it. You will not split a multitude of fictional introjects just because your brain likes it. This is quite simply not how the disorder works and is legitimately misinformation. You can get shitty. You can say i "hate on other systems". You can say I "invalidate polyfragmented systems". I do not care. Please know and learn the absolute basics of this disorder and stop spreading lies and fantasy shit about it.

[syscultureis]

Polyfrag sys culture is that having a lot of fictional introjects/BEING a fictional introject is annoying asf, and ppl need to stop pretending it isn't. Being polyfragmented doesn't make us "more special" it makes our lives hell actually thanks. If we were "normal" alters ("brainmade" is an annoying term to us cuz introjects aren't from another world or whatever no matter what they say, the brain made all of us to cope w trauma thanks), we might have been able to be more open abt this by now. But noooooo almost every one of us who frequently fronts is some form of fictional introject.

(Not directed at anyone I just hate the vibes a lot of introjects bring to online spaces when they don't actually understand What They're There For, the point of pseudomemories etc.. Tbh we know that our brain probably doesn't trust itself showing many "original" identities given the Trauma, but it doesn't understand that if this doesn't stop we're gonna be Hated Forever by both singlets who think we're crazy-obsessive and other systems who think systems like us are a joke. It. Sucks.)

Sys culture is being sad and angry about "stupid" things that would never even cross a singlet's mind. It's feeling isolated because everyone in the "community" is literaly In Their Head All The Time Abt Shit That Doesn't Matter. It's feeling like we are so, so screwed and wishing for encouragement.

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[creepybah]

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to request, you can simply either give some info, or follow the template down below. anything with an (opt) at the start is optional, and if you don’t want me to put anything for that part then simply put N/A. if you want us to fill it out, put “up to you”, same if you want everything to be up to us

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[peachyfuck18]

you are the biggest fucking loser i've ever come across in my entire life, and clearly you're also too fucking moronic to understand what a fictive is.

INTROJECTS OF THE CHARACTERS YOU CLAIM TO LOVE OHHHH SOOO MUCH, have problematic tendencies because of trauma. GOD FORBID, by the way literal MURDERERS have problematic tendencies.., like what!!!!! and the fact you brought pedos into this out of no where. NO ONE MENTIONED PEDOPHILIC TENDENCIES YOU IMBECILE! PEOPLE LIKE YOU MAKE ME FUCKING SICK. YOU CLAIM TO CARE ABOUT THOSE WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES BUT THE SECOND THAT SOMEONE COPES IN A WAY THATS OUTSIDE WHAT YOU CONSIDER MORALLY SOUND IN YOUR PURITAN FUCKING BRAIN, BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH YOU ATTACK THEM AND TRY TO RUIN THEIR REPUTATION FOR NO REASON... WHEN YOU NO NOTHING ABOUT THEIR TRAUMA. YOU CANNOT FUCKING FATHOM THE PAIN IT TOOK TO BECOME A FUCKING DID SYSTEM. YOU CANT FATHOM THE TRAUMA THAT MADE US LIKE THIS SO JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP SPEAKING ON SHIT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.

i know that away behind that computer you're slaving away typing with your fat fucking my 10000 pound life fingers preaching about how censorship of lgbtq+ content is bad, wah wah wah, while preaching censorship of FICTIONAL art and media..., and at the SAME TIME posting clips of fictional murderers. you're glorifying murder you're a sick twisted freak. hmm... AND attacking fictives of said fictional murderers... right right. i actually dont care if you post this or read this. i'm just soooo fucking mad and i think you're the biggest moron i've ever stumbled upon, so i REALLY needed to get this out. FUCK YOU!!!!! — STU MOTHERFUCKING MACHER IN THE FLESH! I HATE YOU AND IM A PROSHIPPER I HOPE THAT RUINS SCREAM FOR YOU

……..

Can somebody track their IP since I don’t know if this is a troll or someone’s off their meds and this is seriousandcleans alt account cause…yikes dude

But anyway report and block seriousandclean and report and block any mutuals they have cause from the looks of it BOTH seriousandclean and their mutuals are very much mentally unstable individuals and if you’re a minor screenshot, delete and post any asks they give you

Again seriousandclean and their mutuals are very unstable and dangerous people

Report and block them

That’s all