#factkin

[ell-es-dee]

being a fictionkin/factkin is knowing you'll never see your family or friends ever again.

[alirealm-info]

"you cant call yourself THAT, just say youre-" NO!!!!!!!!! EXPLOSION ATTACK!!!!!!! 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

[nyctohyloph0bia]

Factkin are valid idc.

If the general consensus of being 'kin is that it's "involuntary" and you "can't choose who you are", why the hell are people going after Factkin if they Don't try to steal identity, trick and/or manipulate people and in general try to use their identity for wrong? If they're Not doing that, why you givin' 'em shit? Even if they became or choose that identity?

Also... reincarnation from people that existed is like the most common belief..? That's how reincarnation works, when you die your soul goes into another body and is born again.

As for people that exist nowdays, either psychologically identify as their persona and public struggles. Or multiple universe, except oopsies, this soul ended up getting multiplied or ended up in a double situation. Can't that happen? If it can happen with Fictionkin, why can't it happen with Factkin? If fictotypes were real people in another universe, wouldn't that be the same as being factkin, just in our universe they come from fictional media?

- "Abyss" Lyro-Cyrus co-con.

[kaboom--bitch]

Here's your periodic reminder: Alterhumans can be human. Nonhuman and alterhuman are not the same thing. Human fictionfolk, otherhearteds, factfolk, human fact or fiction 'linkers, systems, the list goes on. You can even be nonhuman and human at the same time. You're not less alterhuman just 'cause you're human, you're a part of this community as much as anyone else.

[factid-culture-is]

factfolk culture is feeling like youre mocking and disrespecting your own source for just existing and being You even if you did nothing wrong

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[ama-factkin]

hello i have a question. originally I was very anti-factkin because of various reasons (mostly because of how important and personal my identity and i don't want anyone else to have it/i have a weak sense of self and this can make me spiral into depressive episides/this can contradict my spiritual beliefs about my identity). i kind of loosened up a bit cause i realized not everyone feels that protective of their identity.

but like, i see a lot of contradicting information about factkin, particularly from antis vs pros. i've seen some people (pros) say that factkin don't actually believe they have the same identity but more so feel cut from the cloth or something? but that kind of sounds more like facthearted to me? and antis say that factkin do feel like they own someone's else's identity and this is invasive? generally i've learned that antis of any community based on identity almost never know what they're talking about (aside from anti radqueers, maybe).

overall i think you seem nice enough, and i'd like to hear how you feel about this. that might help me decide how i feel about factkin since i've been so on and off about it.

Hey!! This question is very thoughtful and I'm going to tackle it in stages! A disclaimer I often have to make is that most of what I say comes from my own personal experience (because otherkinity is such a personal experience to begin with and I feel like everyone's experience is a little bit different.) That holds here too!

This got really long so I put it under a cut!

For starters: thank you for saying I seem nice enough skdfdssldkfs you seem nice enough too. You have phrased this in a really respectful way. I can totally see your point of view. How you feel about your own personal identity is, well, very personal.

Now, the contradicting information you've seen is due to the fact that there has been something of an explosion of factkin in recent years. I remember when I started this blog and I could probably count on one hand how many active, good-faith, factkin blogs existed on this site. As more of us have appeared/awakened, the community as a whole has gotten more attention. I think more people want to theorize about where we (factkin) come from now than ever before.

The contradiction also exists in part because otherkinity is a very diverse experience. As with any primarily spiritual/psychological identity, there is a lot of diversity as to how it is expressed. Everyone has a different brain. Everyone has a different soul.

"i've seen some people (pros) say that factkin don't actually believe they have the same identity but more so feel cut from the cloth or something" I would say this is not entirely correct but it's getting there. Yes, some factkin would consider themselves more adjacent to their kintypes than being them. Why they identify as factkin rather than facthearted, I cannot say for sure. It's a case-by-case thing. But some factkin who identify this way do so because their facttype is an alternate persona of a real person. (Think Darkiplier) Some do it because they identify as diaunthros.

Most of us, however, don't identify as adjacent to our kintypes in this way. Most of us identify as our kintypes the same way other otherkin (say that 5 times fast) do. I am Edgar Allan Poe the same way I am a wolf and an angel. Which leads me to my next point:

"antis say that factkin do feel like they own someone's else's identity and this is invasive" I don't feel like I own anything. I moreso feel that I share it and even then I hardly do. I'll use Eminem in this example because he is my one kintype that has not been dead for (minimum) 100 years and I feel he might be the example that speaks most to this point.

I take no credit for Eminem's music. I feel I am owed exactly 0% of his money. My kintypes are spiritual. I believe that if things had gone a little differently (and that in some parallel universes they did go differently) I would have been born as my kintypes and not as the self that I am right now and this is why I feel a sense of identity and singularity when I think about my kintypes. I recognize that this belief is very difficult to prove or even justify. I am simply at the 'believing' stage and working towards the 'justifying' stage. But I do get kinshifts and kin memories like other otherkin.

I do not claim ownership over another's identity because I know physically who I am and spiritually who I am does not line up 100%. I know my spiritual identity is not grounds for claiming any credit for the actions of another. Aside from on this blog I do not make a habit of introducing myself with this identity. Some people might still find my identity invasive but I know for a fact I do not engage in identity theft or anything that can honestly, in good faith, be called impersonation. I do not mislead others about my identity. I always qualify my kintypes as being identities held on a very spiritual level.

In short, some factkin identify as more adjacent and some (like me) identify truly as their facttypes because otherkinity is a diverse experience. You are completely correct when you say those who are unfavourable of niche communities generally don't know what they're talking about. Factkinity and otherkinity in general are communities full of nuance and a lot of stauchly-anti-factkin do not grasp that.

I hope my answer was helpful to you! If it opens up a whole other slew of questions then 1) I'm sorry and 2) feel free to ask them!

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[technoblade-always-wins]

Locked into the Technoblade grind (not going outside and having social anxiety)

[therihare]

physically disabled alterhumans, where are you at?

i feel like i rarely see any around, id love to be mutuals with other physically disabled folk!

[slimebasedsys]

IT'S OKAY TO BE FACTKIN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

[funeral--pyre]

Got bored and made a thing. "Problematic" is however you define it or see others defining it, seeing as it's a vague as fuck term anyway. Be free, creatures.

[unetherian]

Yes, I support factkins. I'll explain to you why.

I know that factkins are very misunderstood and hated by a large part of our community. That's why I say to you:

If you don't want to get into the debate, keep scrolling, and don't read the whole post, that's okay.

If you want to share your positive or negative opinion, do it with respect. Any disrespectful or mean comments will be deleted. Hate towards haters will not be tolerated either.

Thanks you.

I never understood the hatred towards factkins.

A factkin unwittingly identifies himself as a specific individual who exists or once existed in the past. It is a non-physical identity (maybe sometimes also physical?).

A factkin doesn't always identify as a human! A factkin can identify as his cousin's pet bird, he's still a factkin.

This identity can come from a psychological, spiritual, etc. source.

So why are they so poorly integrated into the community while it is an identity like any other, after all?

It is often because of this misinformation: Being factkin is illegal. The first person to say this thought factkins were stealing their facttype's identity. That's not the case.

The vast majority of factkins don't steal beings's identities. They don't dress up and claim to be their real type in public. They only identify as them. That's all. So it's not illegal.

"Yes but it's weird!!!!"

The majority of beings who know factkins are alter/nonhumans or support our community. You are litteraly reading a text written by an animal person. You don't call me weird though. Alter/humanity is in general a weird concept, let's not hide that. And anyway everyone is weird in their own way, so if the norm is to be weird then we are all normal.

"This is disrespectful to the facttype!"

A factkin doesn't choose their identity. By saying that, you're shaming them, even though they're not to blame. And anyway, the vast majority are not going to come to their factype and say "hey, I'm you too" because they are lucid. They know that this moment will surely be quite awkward, especially if his type does not know about alter/nonhumanity.

"This is not ethical!!"

Again, it is not their fault, their identity is involuntary. They don't hurt anyone, even if it's considered "inconvenient" or "morally unacceptable"...

"It goes against my religion/ spirituality..."

I understand that, and I'm not forcing you to believe it or support them. But respect them, it's their life, it's their feelings, they have the right to interpret them as they want.

"But factkins are not alterhumans!"

An alterhuman is an individual whose identity or part of it is alternative to humanity, to the standards of a human being. A standard human being does not identify as anything other than his or her person, right? So a factkin is an alterhuman, if he wishes to be named so.

I don't know... We're all part of the same community, we have to stick together, or at least tolerate each other. If we want to stop the hatred towards us, we must first stop the hatred in our communities. Please...

Haven't we received enough hate to call ourselves haters?...

[squidfreak]

Fun fact: Do not argue with or try to educate people who use the valid / invalid stuff they WILL NOT listen

[localcatmutt]

A Discussion On "Factkin"

Before reading any of this post, please be aware that I will be using the psychological terms correctly. For example, when i describe delusional behaviour it is NOT an insult, it is used correctly in the way a psychiatrist or doctor would. Nothing in this post it attacking any one individual, nor is it meant to bully. I am ONLY educating. <3

First and foremost, what IS factkin?

Factkin is a term that means an individual who identifies as a non-fictional, real human being. These “identities” are rooted in real-life individuals who exist in the shared reality, whether this person is currently alive or deceased. The people they claim to identify as are typically historical or famous in nature.

Factkin has been a known term in the community for as long as I have been in it. Most older generations like myself have come across the label at least once in our time here, and it is commonly known to come from individuals who mocked the alterhuman community (aka trolls or haters).

Why would someone be factkin?

As children develop into the adults they will one day become, their environment has a big impact on their personality. Their brains will unconsciously pick up traits from the people they grow up with, like their parents, friends, siblings and other family members, even the individuals they see on television! There will be many phases in their lives that will be influenced by all these different people. This can impact their behaviour, interests, beliefs, styles, speech patterns (like dialect or accent), and so much more. The majority of those traits they pick up though will fade away with time.

The traits that DO stay, may eventually become part of their base identity once they reach the end of their mental development. But even then they can still pick up more traits from those around them in adulthood.

So where am i going with this? Well, some kids may confuse this type of development for identifying as the other person.

I will use celebrities for example, since that is the typical source for a “factkin identity”.

We are all exposed to many famous celebrities, either from our favourite movies, television shows, or the music we listen to. They are all over the media we see around us. And people, especially minors who are in their developmental stages and are experimenting with their identities, will see all these amazing and influential people everywhere. They may want to be like them, or want to actually BE them. Then, whether it is consciously or unconsciously done, they will pick up traits from that celebrity.

Someone who isn't endlessly exposed to social media wouldn't think much of it, but if you're uneducated and come across the term “factkin”, they might think that’s what they are, rather than someone who idolizes another human being.

Other reasons may have to do with unhealthy coping strategies or psychotic/delusional symptoms that are left unchecked. Trauma and mental health can have a big impact on someone’s identity development. Underlying issues can cause confusion between a real mental illness and the belief that one is someone entirely different than who they really are.

It may also be an obsession with a figure that has gone a tad bit too far, and has some behavioural issues tied to it similar to addiction. In the sense that someone is so unhealthily dependent on the famous person, that they cannot tell that they are NOT the person they are obsessed with.

To put it simply, someone will never actually be factkin, it is just normal or abnormal developmental stages in life that has been confused with the term factkin, a delusional/psychotic disorder/experience, unhealthy coping mechanisms, an unchecked obsession, or confusion with one’s identity.

Idols

Having an idol is fairly common. The majority of us have had one in our lives. Sometimes our idol happens to be our mother or father. Sometimes its a singer, an actor or some other famous individual. An idol, by definition, is a person that is greatly admired, loved and revered. Idols are often figures that individuals hope to one day become. Although not in the literal sense like factkin claim to be. Rather, people want to become similar to their idol. That itself is healthy and doesn't normally have any negative impact, as long as the person still understands individuality (that nobody is perfectly like one another, and that they still have to be themselves.)

This is another possible factor in the confusion that self-claimed factkin may have with their own identity.

Past Lives

A past life is a fairly common concept for alterhumans. Many believe their identity to be caused by a past life they had as said being/animal they still currently identify as. Factkin have also been known to claim that they have a past life as some famous or historical figure. That alone isn't too harmful, as long as they don’t go around expecting people to treat them like that figure.

If you have a past life as a human being, can you still identify as that individual? Well, yes I guess. But does it make you factkin? No. As i stated above, factkin doesn't fit in the alterhuman community. It doesnt warrant its own term.

People who claim the factkin label have more commonly identified as currently living people anyhow, so there is no excuse for such a thing.

Grandiose Delusion

There are many different kinds of delusional disorders that I have studied, and when it comes to factkin, the one that especially comes to mind is the Grandiose delusion, or delusion of grandeur. This delusion is characterized by an individual who believes that they are someone other than who they are, such as a supernatural figure (like a god), or a famous individual (historical or currently alive). Does that sound familiar?

I came across this type of delusion during my studies years ago, and most cases of Grandiose Delusion that I have read about, have similarities to factkin and the people who identify as religious gods (like loki, anubis, jesus, etc).

The thing with delusions is that the people who experience this psychological symptom or disorder cant control it, nor are they always aware of it. So it poses many issues when trying to explain the truth to them. Telling them that they are not beyonce or justin bieber, and that they are actually John Doe who lives in Ohio, wont always go through to them.

Again, factkin is NOT a thing, but grandiose delusion is. Doesn't mean they can spread misinformation, that behaviour cant be enabled. But they also shouldn't be outright attacked, as again, they cant control their delusional behaviour. The best way we can approach someone with this psychological issue is by educating and encouraging them to seek professional help, and then educating the community without mentioning the individuals with the delusion.

Why is factkin problematic?

Unlike Otherkin or Therians who identify as species, factkin identify as specific individuals (living or deceased). Identifying as a species poses no harm to anyone. But there are lots of issues that come up when you identify as a specific person who exists. You are claiming to be this person, which surpass so many boundaries. This action is a violation of their privacy and their sense of self. It is okay to get inspiration from someone, but to claim to BE them is a whole other ordeal. Even going as far as mimicking/copying their personality is inappropriate on many levels. Nobody consents to such outrageous claims and behaviours.

Famous people get it a lot, I have seen it time and time again. Some even get surgeries to look like some celebrities they so strongly admire. I have even read some articles of young famous actors and singers whose mental health suffered when they heard of obsessed fans trying to become them. It crosses a line.

In addition, when it comes to celebrities, what you see on social media is rarely the whole truth, if it is even true at all. How could you even claim to be them when what you know is very likely just another facade they put on for the world to see? It’s unrealistic, truly. Both in a spiritual AND a psychological sense.

Impersonation, Identity Theft, Catfishing & Factkin

When debating the term factkin, the argument that is often brought up is identity theft. So let’s start with the definition for this: Identity theft (or fraud) is what happens when someone takes someone else’s name and personal information, and uses it without your permission to do whatever they like with it. This here is illegal, and you can be arrested or fined.

With this in mind, are “factkin” committing identity theft? Nope. Identity theft is a bit more than simply identifying as someone other than yourself.

What about catfishing?

Catfishing is the act of luring or pursuing someone into a relationship while pretending to be someone you arnt. Does this fit factkin? Well, no, BUT it can easily be something someone who is “factkin” can commit if they claim to be someone else other than theirselves.

What about impersonation?

Impersonation refers to the act of pretending to be someone you arnt. It can be assuming the identity of someone online, someone’s family member or imitating a public figure. Regardless of who is being impersonated, this act can have SERIOUS consequences for individuals and society as a whole. Impersonation doesnt always include criminal acts like identity theft or catfishing, but it can still have devastating affects on everyone involved, especially the person they are impersonating or identifying as.

I think this one fits the bill.

While someone who claims to be factkin may not confess to impersonation, claiming to identify as someone else still follows the same narrative. Someone who identifies as another person is claiming to be that person. Identity isn't cosplay, it is YOU. WHO YOU ARE. Therefore if you identify as Queen Elizabeth or Harry Styles, you are telling us that YOU are those people.

That very much sounds like impersonation to me.

NOTE – The major difference between Grandiose Delusion (or DMS) and impersonation is that impersonation is deliberate and intentional and conscious. The latter is an illness one does not choose to have.

My experience with having my identity taken

Many years ago I had my first experience with having my identity taken. Someone I didnt know (but knew my friends) took my name, my photos, whatever personal information they knew of me and my life, and they started identifying as me. I wasnt aware of it for months, until my friends found out about it. Then I was made aware of how far they had gone with this action. Not only did they pose as me, but they catfished other people using MY information and photos. One of the people they catfished was in love with me, and it absolutely shattered them. It was a whole messy situation that I wont get into here. But it had long lasting consequences on ME, my friends, and that girl who was manipulated.

The next time it happened was pretty similar, but it was a stranger that time.

On top of that I had people who were taking my very dear and personal experiences as their own, which isn't the same, but after what i dealt with, it definitely didnt make me feel any safer. I went off instagram from a while afterwards.

How it negatively impacts the identified person

The people who get used as someone else’s identity tend to get the worst of the negative impact. We feel incredibly unsafe, violated, and paranoid that other people out there will turn up and identify as us. They will steal our face and our name and our lives, and claim it as theirs. Read that again, see how crazy that sounds.

This isn't a laughing matter, its not a game. That is why I take factkin seriously. It is NOT appropriate. And it causes so much harm when you try to normalize this immoral behaviour. Using someone as your identity is NOT OKAY. It never will be.

Celebrities and historical figures are no different. Dead or alive, they deserve the same respect. To treat them any different would be to dehumanize them. Just because someone is famous, is a public figure or has a large following, doesnt mean you can identify AS them. Their privacy is already taken advantage of as it is, and they deal with enough impersonation already. Just look at some well known people in our own community! They have people create false accounts with their names, their faces, their posts, their information.

It breaks our trust in the world. It leaves us feeling like we have to watch our backs. It makes us uncomfortable. (US as in the people whose identities have been used and taken).

It’s ridiculous to want to normalize this toxic and disgusting behaviour.

How to deal with factkin?

Depending on the situation, there are different ways to deal with factkin. Firstly, attacking an individual using the label will never solve the situation. If you want to confront them, the best you can do is ask questions and encourage them to understand what they are doing by using that label. Educate them. If they confess to delusional thinking, encourage them to seek professional help. If they become defensive, I recommend leaving and blocking them, its not YOUR problem. Next, you can spread proper information about factkin and why it isn't an acceptable term.

Some kids may confuse factkin and connection. It’s okay to relate to other people, we all do it. But it doesnt have anything to do with factkin or the definition of the term. Sometimes all they need is someone to help them understand that. Not every person is well informed on terminology and education in the community. They might be unaware and need a hand to guide them. Dont always assume the worst of them.

To put it simply, don't attack, ask questions/don't assume, educate, encourage them to get help (if delusional), move on.

Conclusion

This post is already as long as it needs to be, I hope i was able to cover all the bases. If you have anything to add, let me know, I can make another part to this discussion. If you have questions, I will gladly answer them.

I hope that the message is delivered well. My intention is not to judge or hurt anybody, I am a lot more open-minded than some people may assume of me. I genuinely care about everyone, but not everything should be normalized or accepted in society or in this community.

I GET that they believe the “identity” is involuntary the same way otherkin/therian identities are, but it is still an innappropriate identity (same as god identities and those of cultural or religious beings.) My biggest issue isn't what they believe, but the fact they think its okay to normalize something like it and to inform people on it like its an innocent and harmless behaviour. The goal of this post is especially to spread the message that its NOT acceptable nor should it be normalized in the alterhuman community.

If you think this post is about anyone in particular, I assure you it isn't. Dont comment names or accounts of people who use the term “factkin” either (ill delete them). Especially if they are minors. This wont benefit anybody. I just want to educate. It has been something I’ve been meaning to discuss for a while, since the term factkin has existed longer than I have been in the community. Its nothing new.

Thank you for reading and I wish everyone a good day, sincerely.

- From your Local Tomcat, Ryuuko.

[alirealm-info]

everyone whos ever said anything like "exotrauma isnt the same as REAL trauma" owes every fictionkin, factkin, otherkin, system, plural, alirealm, and everyone else with exotrauma/exomemories one billion dollars

[rad-dog-kins]

hello! i was wondering, if i kinned a vtuber, would that be considered factkin? ive been questioning a vtuber rn and im super confused ablut everything😭 /nfta

vtubers are irl people so it would say it's fact leaning at the least

a lot of beings' models have lore so if you kin thr character/model, you're fictionkin. and you're factkin if you kin the vtuber themself

hope this helps!/lh