#even if they tag themselves as an endogenic system

[proshippers-against-censorship]

I feel like, if everything, being pro sysmed does more for harming kids tbh. Or anyone, really. I mean, somebody mentions hey, I don't think I'm alone in my head but I don't recall trauma and you go and tell em they're a liar? Not very pro mental health to me.

proshippers shouldn't have any positivity or "safe space" you're mentally ill and need help

so mentally ill people don't deserve safe spaces or positivity? also,duh, you're in the mentally ill website,fork spotted in kitchen

[pro-endo-because]

We are pro-endo because back when we were trying to figure out being in a system in 2022, we first found the anti-endo side. We tried discord after discord, but all of the spaces were so hostile. We were called a faker, an endo, all of the above.

We left the community and Jasper (our host, my in-sys wife) suppressed my existence. She was so afraid of being harassed for being a system by OTHER SYSTEMS she hid my existence.

Late last year, we got back into the plural system. We found the pro-endo side. We thought maybe we were endogenic, because that's what all the mean anti-endos thought we were. Maybe they were right? We identified as endo for a while, gained so much support and friends. Genuine connections based off acceptance and supporting each other.

Then, we realized we were traumagenic, after all. We were afraid to tell our endo friends. Would they cut us off like the anti-endo friends did the second we didn't fit their mold of plurality? NO! We were met with continued support, love, and acceptance. Even though our experience of plurality is different from a non-traumagenic system, they still show us so much love and support and accept us.

In the pro-endo community and with endos themselves, we found acceptance, support, and love. We've became confident as a system, have been working towards going to therapy for our trauma, and have been the happiest we've probably ever been.

Even as a traumagenic systems, we block any anti-endo with "endos fuck off!" or "endos aren't real!!" shit in their bios, dni, or tags. Why? Because if you're so fucking hostile to other systems who don't fit your views, how are you going to treat us when we have something happen in our system you don't think can happen or is "real"? We don't even use the spaces for traumagen exclusive systems even though we can, because those spaces and tags focus so much on hating other systems and trauma olympics that we see no fuckin reason to engage with it. We do not want to join a hate train, we want support for our trauma.

We will ALWAYS be pro endo and defend endos because of this. Endos gave us community, acceptance, helped us love ourselves and be confident in being plural instead of the shame, doubt, and fear anti-endo spaces gave us. We will defend our non-traumagenic system friends because even if our experiences aren't 100% the same, we are similar enough we can relate to each other and talk about things, and a lot of non-traumagen systems STILL HAVE TRAUMA! And even those who don't, they do not deserve hate for existing. If you are a person who hates on ANYONE for simply existing and not hurting anyone, then we want nothing to do with you. - Peridot, from The Jaspidot System.

[PT: Radqueers and anti-endos do not interact!]

[kiruliom]

[ ID: A flag with five horizontal stripes, in the following colors: turquoise, off-white, yellow, orange and dark blue. /End ID ]

atypical system flag

a flag for all systems, plurals, and adjacent that feel they are excluded from their own community because their experiences with plurality/systemhood is considered wrong or fake by the exclusionary individuals within.

coined bc it felt wrong to get lumped in with endos as a traumagenic non-disordered system by anti-endo communities when Im not endogenic. also spite. lots and lots of spite.

this is by all means not coined to divide the plural/system community, just something for those who often feel left out to take pride in.

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includes, but isnt limited to:

endogenic, nontraumagenic, traumaendo, and adjacent systems

willogenic, spiritually formed, partially or fully voluntarily formed systems

traumagenic by proxy systems (formed to deal with a traumagenic disorder's symptoms, etc.)

non-disordered systems, systems who dont fit the criteria for a CDD.

systems who's trauma doesnt fit CDD standards, or are told/feel its not 'bad enough' to cause CDDs

OSDD/UDD systems who feel excluded by the huge focus on DID in the community

median systems who feel excluded by the huge focus on multiple systems in the community

systems who prefer to identify as one person or use parts or otherwise outdated terminology

schizospec and psychotic people who see themselves as plural due to their consistent delusions and/or hallucinations.

anyone else who's plurality feels too atypical to fit in even in this community full of atypicals

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it is not meant to include transplur-al people who are 'transitioning to become a system' with no concern or forethought for the actual challenges of being multiple people, but if a transplur-al person chooses to identify with this I dont have the power to stop them. the dash is there so it doesnt show up on the search. just know I dont like you, at all.

the coiner of the term is against the name tulpamancy for willogenic systems but they can use this flag as well, again, no power to stop them.

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feel free to make alternative flags, symbols, etcetera! however do tag me in them if you do.

please do not reupload without permission and credit

[thecircularsystem]

As per the syscourse bracket challenge for this round…

Note: I’m putting this under a cut because, in the past, individuals have told me this take was horrifically triggering for their paranoia. Please continue at your own risk.

TW: Various types of harassment; mentions of sui ideation, doxxing, death threats, SA, and CSA; fakeclaiming and trauma denial; false memories

TL;DR: If we accept that endogenic systems are sometimes traumagenic systems who don’t know/are in denial, then it only makes logical sense that sometimes traumagenic systems are actually endogenic systems who don’t know/are in denial.

Long version:

Eons ago (like. A few years ago 3? That sounds about right), I got sent a bait ask with this take: “I believe some traumagenic systems are actually endogenic.” This was soon after I’d been discussing how some endogenic systems are traumagenic and just don’t know it yet.

At first, when I saw the take, I naturally balked. I mean… isn’t that fakeclaiming someone’s trauma? Isn’t that ableism?

But… the thing is, I KNOW there are endogenic systems who have hidden trauma. And I KNOW I have given myself false memories of, yes, trauma that never happened to me. I distinctly remember abuse based on my plurality that never actually happened, even if I know exactly how it played out. I convinced myself it happened, and I’ve had to do distinct work to remind myself it was my imagination.

So… is it possible a system has convinced themselves that they were formed from trauma… even if they didn’t? It seems possible. Common? No, I highly doubt it. But possible.

And moreover, what about endogenic systems who discover their systemhood and are immediately told by everyone around them that the only way to be a system is to have DID, so they must have trauma they don’t remember… so these systems would deem themselves traumagenic, even if they weren’t, because they genuinely didn’t know?

Anyways. I posted this take.

It led to me leaving my old blog entirely, panicked and getting countless suibait, death threats, and SA related asks, because I was clearly the worst person ever, fakeclaiming traumagenic systems. I was told I didn’t actually have DID if I believed that, and that I deserved the CSA I experienced. It’s why I stopped using “Mod (Name)” as a tag and changed to abstract tag phrases instead, since people attributed the take to a single alter, making our dissociative barriers grow (isolate him away from us to make others love us again so we stay safe).

I’m scared to post this again, I won’t lie. But… I’m tired of being scared of syscourse, yknow? It’s stupid. It’s pointless.

What does it matter if someone is traumagenic or endogenic or neither or both? What does it matter if someone uses the “wrong” label? Does any of this matter???

At the end of the day, we all deserve the help we need.

[sophieinwonderland]

Warning for the POSIC community: Watch out for @/yourfaveisobjectum

An anti-endo, following the trend started by #AEMOGAI, is trying to make #AEPOSIC a thing.

For those that don't know, AEMOGAI is a tag for anti-endo MOGAI. The tag devolved into hate and, as I recall, was eventually rejected by its own creator due to how toxic it became.

@/theskulksys is trying to take this hate into the POSIC community.

After posting that, this same system started an exclusionist blog called @/yourfaveisobjectum

One of their headmates also runs @/thebigcrow, a blog dedicated entirely to plagiarizing posts made by endogenic and pro-endo systems.

The above "remaking" post is one of many they've done that is copying and pasting posts by endogenic and pro endo systems. They're also using the #plural and #pluralgang tags, which are intended to be safe for the inclusive plural community.

Given that many in the POSIC community are pro endo, or even endogenic themselves, I want everyone in the POSIC community to be aware of this user so they can block their blogs if they need to.

[sysmedsaresexist]

To the anon asking about my username...

There's a bit of confusion here, I'm going to answer many of your questions but I may not post the ask itself, hopefully it'll make sense :)

When I started my blog I was heavily anti endo and I specifically posted bad pro/endo takes, debunking or just laughing. To this day, most of it is still pretty hilarious. I wasn't focused on cringe, but totally crazy, out there claims that made zero sense and were flat out wrong. Check out my tags #shit endos say, #shit singlets say, and my newest tag, #shit anti endos say, I hope you have a laugh at a couple of them.

In my pinned post, you'll see the thing that started it all. A pro endo saying that sysmeds are sexist.

I would also like to know how they came to that conclusion. I'm right there with you. Also like you, I still have many issues with the pro/endo community. I believe CDDs are trauma based disorders. I post research pretty much weekly about it (check out #debunk and #research). I think endogenic plurality and CDDs are completely different things.

And you know what, my pro endo friends support me. We're all learning. I'm kind with my opinion, I'm open to talking about it, we debate, we share resources, we change our views and adjust based on new info.

This blog corrects misinformation from both sides, now. Some of it is worse than others. Antis can and do spread just as much misinformation as pro/endos.

What I would encourage you to do is start with the multiple selves theory. It actually developed right alongside Freud's theories on hysteria (which included early versions of CDDs at the time), and if Freud hadn't been such a perv, it might actually be much more well-known. It's a nonpathological theory on consciousness and philosophy. People have been describing this phenomenon for a very long time, "endogenic" is just the newest term for it. Here's a couple examples.

2015 - at any given moment in time, one or another of our subselves is in control and determines how we think and act.

1987

2012 - this one has so many links to other people talking about this theory

2023 - These results suggest that the normative principles by which agents have adapted to complex changing environments may also explain why humans have long been described as consisting of “multiple selves.”

2020

2010

Like I said, though, you can find this stuff as far back as the 50s with ease, anything older might take a bit more digging, but it's not a small or new theory.

I think an overlap in language has created a lot of confusion, but it's really not out of the realm of possibility for people to be more in tune with these parts of themselves. It's been documented for over a century outside of psychology, in other areas of research-- anthropology, philosophy.

I'm going to be honest, I don't think a single one of the headmate sale blogs are real. I think they're antis trying to start shit. Like maybe one out of every ten is actually someone misguided behind the screen.

Even CDD systems still incorrectly believe in core theory, endogenics picked it up from us and don't know any better. System resets aren't real, but there are real experiences that can FEEL like a reset-- try being patient and educating people. Ignore the others, because some people just can't be helped, and you're better off spending your time spreading good, accurate posts than arguing with people who don't want to learn anything.

I forget what I was saying.

Anyways, I'm a pro endo sysmed.

I hope you'll stick around and see what's going on.

[systematic-breakdown]

endogenics, get your shit together and get your stories straight.

first you say being endogenic means that you didnt come from trauma. disregarding the fact that its literally a trauma-based disorder, you then say that no, some endos ARE traumagenic and just have endogenic alters (not a real thing btw. i wont get into stress threshold right now though)

first you say you arent systems, youre plural. its a different thing. then you turn around and tag your posts with system/CDD tags, call yourselves systems, share resources for people with OSDDID amongst yourselves, and some of you parade your dissociative/PTSD symptoms all the while still claiming youre not one of us. even when you are. when you arent, its clear that you so desperately want to be a part of the in-group that you dont even realize when youre being hypocritical.

first you say you arent trying to invade system spaces. then you use the same language we do, want to use the same resources we do (most of the time, the resources arent even applicable to plurality. theyre meant specifically for those with CDDs/dissociative disorders), steal posts from traumagenics, and a lot of you target traumagenic systems for not agreeing with you, asking you to not interact, and “spreading misinformation”. 9 times out of 10, the “misinformation” in question is either a direct quote from one of you or a research paper that doesnt fit your narrative. and when some of you get called out for targeting traumagenic systems, you cry and whine about how oppressed you are and how “so-and-so started it!” as if thats an excuse to send “kys”, “cut yourself”, and general hate to a traumagenic system. i know some of us are guilty of it too and it all needs to stop. its so fucking immature to tell someone to kill themselves over a disagreement as minor as this. yall need to relax.

and before anyone comes in my replies/reblogs with “well not all of us are like this!” this post isnt about you and it isnt about that. its about the ones who ARE like this and who ARE doing this. if this isnt about you, you shouldnt feel the need to say anything

[circular-bircular]

What terms are endogenic systems “stealing,” and why does it matter?

I’m being perfectly genuine here, I used to be one of the ones shouting about endogenic systems stealing resources. That idea came out of fear and frustration, and remarkably, that fear and frustration is still here, even though I can acknowledge that endogenic systems have not stolen terms that matter at all.

“Endogenic systems stole system from DID systems!” No they didn’t. The communities grew together, and system isn’t a term that’s exclusive to DID anyways. While the term system was popularized in DID spaces, the term was quickly picked up for other purposes.

“Endogenic systems stole the RAMCOA terms!” Nope. I’m sorry to say, there’s no evidence of this, despite how many claim there is on all sides. The source people have used to say this has themselves said it doesn’t track, and the only thing we have is word of mouth. You simply do not have proof for this claim.

“Endogenic systems are invading/stealing tumblr tags!” Okay. Report them. There’s a button for that. I hope you’re okay with that turning around on you, however, as many people are tag spamming against tumblrs TOS. And once again: why does it matter?

An endogenic system posts in the systempunk tags. It literally doesn’t impact my recovery.

An endogenic system posts in the OSDD, DID, CDD, etc tag. If literally doesn’t impact my recovery.

Oh no! I get triggered!

It literally doesn’t impact my recovery. Because a tumblr tag does not determine if I am recovering from my disorder; an endogenic system using the term subsystem doesn’t determine if I’m recovering from my disorder; literally anyone using the term system doesn’t impact me.

“But it makes doctors not listen to us! They think we’re faking!”

Sounds like a problem with the system (pun intended) then. And I assure you, nobody thinks you’re faking because someone else uses the term system. I beg of you to research IFS. Preventing endogenic systems from using the terms they’ve had access to for decades won’t stop ableist doctors from being ableist. It won’t help prevent ableism. It’ll just make the ableism look different.

Some of you need to focus so much more on your own issues, rather than the issues you made up in your anger about how the world treated you unfairly.

[showtimeloser]

If ur gonna post anti endo shit stay the fuck outta the endogenic tags. Thats the safe spot for endos. Not a spot to be hated in

This is actually a nice reason for a follow up, so thanks for the ask.

I’m not attacking your community.

I have endless empathy for all systems, schizo-effective people, and otherwise mentally ill people with identity issues. I myself am a system who doesn’t exactly know how I came to be.

My concern is that these alternative terms for plurality are rooted in misinformation, and limit the ways people are able to get proper help and understand themselves.

People don’t always remember their traumas. That is 100% NORMAL. But it’s not a reason to live in denial that it exists, that’s harmful to everyone!

Telling someone who suffers from ANY mental illness that they lack trauma is?????? Simply not true. Even if that mental illness is genetic or not caused by trauma one WILL experience trauma SOMETIME in their life simply because they are ill, and others don’t see eye to eye with them.

It is INCREDIBLY easy to be traumatized. And no matter how “mild” you may interpret your traumatic events to be, that doesn’t mean you are any less traumatized than someone else!

Understanding your trauma is essential to healing in ANY form.

I do believe endogenic systems ARE systems, and I do NOT hate endogenic systems. I’m simply trying to help all systems understand that you are suffering, and thats ok. You do have trauma. You do have a dissociative disorder. And thats ok. Everyone will be here for you when you’re ready to acknowledge that and start your healing.

And as for willogenics, I feel the same. You are obviously suffering with something you don’t understand. And thats normal and ok, I think everyone’s been there at least once. But misrepresenting a genuine disorder is not ok, and I ask you find a different way to express yourself or ask for help from those around you.

(as for everyone asking me to use different tags, have you considered you’re the target demographic?)

[sawyer-is-eepy]

as a punk, its the least fucking punk thing to call someone a poser. what 90% of anti-endos want is for endos to stop calling themselves systems (its a medical term) and to get the fuck out of our spaces. calling yourself a system (short for system of alternate states of dissociation) when you dont have did/osdd is ablist. ablism is NOT punk. listen to actual fucking trauma survivors instead of circlejerking every other ablist around

hi, sorry, i've mostly got it okay but i don't have my glasses right now and can't see very well. trying to still type properly but it's a bit hard, so i'm sorry for any typos ! ^^

i get why anti endos are wanting a space thats exclusively for cdd systems, but terms can change and adapt and evolve(and they are!) the thing is, more and more research is being done on endogenic systems and a lot of said studies are referring to endos AS systems. medical studies and such!

plus, not trying to say you're lying or anything because i can't prove you wrong, but i'm, not even entirely sure system was ever ACTUALLY just exclusively for cdds because it's just that previousloy, there was no research on endos so maybe now that more stuff is coming out about them? but if you do have stuff about the original usage of the term i'd be glad to check it out! i

and about your spaces, again i do understand why youd want a space sepcifically for traumagen/disordered systems. but the thing is, a lot of times those spaces completely exclude a lot of traumagen systems ANYWAYS!! yall exclude proendo traumagen, and exclude traumagenic systems that aren't disordered! and because a lot of those spaces have become "haha funny lets just h\ate on endos and fakeclaim a ton of them!" and also putting "proendos dni" on a lot of your posts you exclude anyone who could benefit from resources and/or potential friendships, as well as fakeclaim "real" systems! you create spaces that are filled with hate and anger so people don't feel safe expressing themselves.

tumblr is usually better about fakeclaiming stuff from what i've seen, but literally everywhere else(ESPECIALLY reddit tiktok and yt) are all incredibly hostile toward endos, and often how that manifests itserlf is fakeclaiming literally any system, ever. INCLUDING traumagen ones.

my MAIN issue with anti endos is how yall want a safe space but your spaces are so filled with hate and you consistently bar yourself from actually ever receiving any criticism. you create echo chambers, basically

safe spaces are no5t places for people to post hate without having to get called out. safe places are not for you to go "there's no science to back endos!" and then ignore any attempts to share science behind endos by saying "youre invading our spaces! you broke the dni!"

youre right, ableism is VERY not punk! but you claim to protect trauma survivors when you ignore the proendo traumagens and the endos WITH trauma!! what about the endos who had to go through trauma and want to speak about their trauma but are silenced because its "sCiEnTiFiCaLlY ImPosSiBlE!111!!11" ? what about the traumagenic systems who just waant a space to be able to communicate with other trauma survivors but they arent listened to because they support something else???

you create hateful spaces, we're gonna call you out on that bullshit.

i'm sorry about the endos who invade other tags but i feel like this time it's at least a little justified.

edit: i can see slightly better now so i fixed some of the typing errors. sorry if i still missed any

[plurapony]

If you don’t like being fakeclaimed, maybe you should refrain from fakeclaiming others? /gen

You don’t know what’s going on in someone’s mind more than they do themselves… endogenic plurality doesn’t pose any real threat or tangible harm to any trauma-formed system.

Sincerely, a DID system who gives others the benefit of the doubt.

We explicitly state in the tags of all our posts that we don't want endogenic systems to interact with us. However as this is a topic I feel very strongly about, I will explain why endogenic systems are in fact harmful to traumagenic systems.

Dissociative Identity Disorder is caused by severe childhood trauma before the age of 8 years old where the child needs to dissocate in order to cope and get through what is happening. Unfortunately it is under researched and as a result is highly stigmatized - even amongst medical professionals. Endogenic systems are not real and will never be real because the identifying label implies the non-existent of any childhood trauma (the key component in DID). Furthermore this is harmful because by claiming you are an endogenic system you are spreading misinformation about an already misunderstood disorder and further increasing the stigma which harms us. I'll give an example, by accepting endogenic systems the general public will begin to think of traumagenic systems and endogenic systems are one in the same - this then could reflect with medical professionals and could prevent someone with DID getting the treatment they need, due to the stigma.

Now I understand that maybe a small fraction of endogenic systems do actually have trauma but due to dissociative amnesia they may not remember it. However using a label that proudly exclaims they do not have trauma is harmful for the reasons stated above, and they should seek advice from a therapist before spreading misinformation online.

Finally I want to add that telling endogenic systems that you cannot be a system if you don't have trauma is not fakeclaiming, it is simply stating facts. You can't. I am not discounting that you may in fact have DID I am stating endogenic systems do not exist.

Please be mindful of my blog boundaries next time.

[lovestarlosers]

❤ 2025 introduction ❤

❤ Basic information ❤

Name ❤ Loser / Lil. Mr lovesick

Chronoage ❤ 18

Pronouns ❤ he/pup/bab/bug/kid/plush

❤ Who I belong to ❤

Darling: @the1ckyc4nnibalcuddlerz

Beloved: @their-beloved

❤ what is this account for? ❤

❤ this account is made to talk about my partners, fantasies, intrusive thoughts, and discuss my consensual yan4yan4yan relationship that involves consensual abuse. With this in mind be warned this account would prefer is those chronologically under 16 would not interact. Mentions of consensual abuse, autassassinophilia, manipulation, cannibal fantasies, self harm, and embracing my own toxic emotions without shame will be on here, I always properly tag my posts. Kinks will be mentioned or hinted at such as DDLB/ABDL however my emotions that I express are not merely meant to be seen as kinky. I am a real person with real feelings. I am not responsible for anyone who experiences uncomfortability reading my blog. If I improperly tag something inform me however and I will fix it immediately.

❤ What does/doesn't Loser support? ❤

❤ Those with any paraphilia's, I believe in hazard consent however and do not support acting out on harmful urges in unsafe situations. I am proconsent. People have control on their actions but not their emotions or attractions. To avoid confusion I do not believe chrono kids or animals can consent.

❤ Radqueers, I believe identity is a construct and everyone deserves a chance to express themselves even if it is different compared to majority of societal standards. However I do not support transn@zi's whomst wanna transition, kandiqueers, hebequeers, or xenosatanism

❤ I support darkshippers, comshippers, and proshippers

❤ I do not understand endogenic systems as someone who is traumagenic but I do not judge them, systems support systems.

❤ Where else can you see my content? ❤

❤ I have a secondary blog called @lil-lovesick-loser where I post transID and RQ content. I also talk about my transage experience.

❤ Loser's Special tags ❤

❤ #Loser's darling

❤ #Loser's darling (reblog tag)

❤ #Loser's Beloved

❤ #Loser's beloved (reblog tag)

❤ #Loser's asks

[quoigenicfromhell]

I do hate syscourse. Specifically origincourse. I've always hated it. I moved it to this blog because I don't feel like it's something I want to have on my blog all the time, because I want my main to be a positive space to uplift people and make people laugh.

This flavor of syscourse hurts people. I've been screaming that it's a stupid debate since the beginning but what I should have been screaming was that it's a hurtful one; it's hurtful to endogenic systems, it's hurtful to anti-endos who ruminate on this ultimately meaningless argument to the detriment of their own recovery and mental health. It becomes a compulsion, to see all these people being so loudly wrong and just wanting to make them understand YOUR side. Literally, even we have to take very intentional breaks because we get in the cycle of checking the tags over and over to see the next bad take, or the next eloquent takedown.

I don't want system conversations to end; I want people to find common ground, educate themselves on CDD stuff and dissociation, I want people to discuss the ways their systems work and what certain community concepts mean to them. But I want syscourse, as it is, to die. I want people to work on their own recovery and not feel pressured to have an opinion about a group they aren't a part of. I just want to exist in peace and I want everyone else to, too.

[sophieinwonderland]

i think my main issue with you dehumanizing "magats" is because it's focusing on fighting the enemy, instead of protecting and supporting those who are in danger.

of course, some fighting is needed, but we can't all be going "well they're MONSTERS and not HUMANS so i can say they're DISGUSTING CREATURES!!!"

some of us need to, you know, make sure people in our communities don't starve? share around resources for those who may be most in danger? show obvious support and love for certain marginalized communities that isn't just out of spite and hate for those who hurt us? be hopeful in the face of doom because they want us to be nihilistic and depressive?

not saying that you lack these things, but a reminder for you and others to focus on these things

I think that we can do both pretty well. We can support each other and we can also tear down our enemies. And I think we need to do both!

The real problem is that I don't see the online queer communities doing much of either. Instead, they are focused on infighting. On attacking other queer people for how they present or their kinks or how they fight against our enemies.

I find it incredibly disheartening to look at the "#anti radqueer" tag, for instance, to see constant posts by people who have made this niche group online their biggest enemies. Then I do a search for the name Marcy Rheintgen and maybe occasionally someone will mention her name every few days.

This is a woman who put herself at risk to protest against unjust bigoted bathroom laws, and she might face a year in prison for doing it.

And the queer community here barely even mentions her name.

I think that there is utility in tearing down oppressors. In attacking enemies who hate us for our existence! I also think that there is a need to help our communities and support them. I think that plenty of people will do both. They will attack our enemies and help our communities at the same time. Others will choose one or the other to focus on. Some will only focus on helping our communities while others will focus only on attacking our enemies. And personally, I think that both are fine. Because even if one person dedicates themselves to going on the offense, there will still be others to pick up the slack when it comes to community aid.

The only ONLY thing that I feel is truly wasted effort and harmful to the community is focusing on playing respectability politics. On attacking other members of your community with the false belief that you can change the minds of the bigots through self-policing. Because not only does that waste your energy on fighting your own community, it also wastes the energy of the people you are attacking because then they need to defend themselves from internal threats as well as the external.

This is true of the plural community too. How far along could plural rights be today if we had been able to focus on advocacy against ableist institutions instead of constantly fighting amongst ourselves? If sysmeds actually bothered to advocate for people with DID instead of attacking endogenic systems, which in turn forced us to waste our energy to defend ourselves from their attacks?

TLDR: you can spread love to your friends, you can spread hate to your enemies, just don't spread hate to your friends.

[curiousitycollective]

if one more anti-endogenic blog calling themselves a 'safe space for cdd systems' posts in the plural tags we're going to fucking lose it.

even if you don't believe in endogenic systems there are pro-endogenic cdd systems who don't want to see your shit and are in inclusive tags so we don't have to.

stop being hypocritical asshats and destroying other cdd systems' safe spaces because you can't deal with people who disagree with you or exist in a different way.

you aren't helping anyone and you're directly hurting the people you claim to support do better or fuck off

-smile/Scarlet

[dinocanid]

I flipflop regularly between wanting to educate about endogenic systems and not having the spoons for it. Sometimes I do and sometimes I don't, it's pretty random.

It also depends on the situation, ideally you don't go into sysmed spaces for that. That's like a hornets nest (where all the hornets have rabies somehow). I usually just bring it up in a convo if it's relevant to the current topic. I've gotten a couple "oh huh, neat, might reconsider things" by people who thought about it but were gatekeeping themselves from plurality by thinking you need a dissociative disorder or diagnosis first. There's also singlets who know absolutely nothing about plurality and try to overcorrect by parroting stuff from people who don't even understand the DSM/ICD. Plus the uptick in sysmeds I see in the alterhuman tags lately sucks, I don't want to have to block so many blogs that otherwise seem decent!

There's a lot of room for more formal education too, but that's like, more work and I'm way too busy on the average day to head smth like that.