#endo syscourse DNI

[lanterns-and-lightmares]

20 plurality lukewarm takes

(aka I don’t consider these to all be hot takes, because some of them are, in my opinion, warranting of a “well, duh”.)

Not every system has to be miserable to be valid

Endogenic systems are valid

Traumagenic but nondisordered systems are valid

Mixed origins systems are valid

Systems who have no fucking clue where their system came from are valid

Tiny systems are valid

Gigantic systems are valid

Systems that are all Brainmade are valid

Systems that are mostly introjects are valid

Introjects are not their source

Systems whose alters are different as night and day are valid

Systems whose alters are similar are valid

Anti-endos are sanist

Willogenics are not “roleplaying DID”

IT IS NOT FAKING A DISORDER IF YOU ARE NOT CLAIMING TO HAVE A DISORDER.

Plurality should be more informed about— it should be normalized to be accommodating of plurals

Final fusion is not a necessary step of the recovery process

Being a system can be hard. Being a system can be happy. The two can coexist.

You should always respect what different systems want to be called; some like alters. Some like parts. Some like headmates. Whatever their preference, respect it.

HEADMATES WHO SEE THEMSELVES AS PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE.

[anti-endo-help]

you are not a system without trauma.

your system did not form for any reason other than trauma.

"non-traumagenic" isn't a thing.

"traumaendo" isn't a thing.

trauma survivors shouldn't have to clarify that they're "traumagenic" because people want to roleplay on the internet.

go fuck yourself if you think that "endos" are valid. my trauma isn't a label you can wear.

you can not be a system without trauma.

you can not be a system without trauma.

you can not be a system without trauma.

[ID: STOP! this blog is a strictly anti-endo space! pro-endos and endo neutrals, shoo! shoo shoo!]

[rare-average-system]

Amnesia in DID/OSDD can be:

Missing chunks of your childhood memories

Suddenly finding yourself in a place you don't remember going

Blinking, and suddenly, hours/days/weeks+ have passed

But it can also be:

Skipping or doubling medications because you don't know if they've been taken already

Retelling the same story to someone sometimes only minutes or hours apart

Being called a liar because you don't remember something you did/said

Your credit card declining because you don't remember spending money

Panicking when you realize you forgot a conversation and what if you said things you shouldn't have

Missing appointments or showing up on the wrong day

Finding things in the trash that you tried to hide from yourself

Obsessively checking the clock and calendar to remember what time/day it is

Yes, many of these are things most people experience. Forgetfulness is not anything abnormal. The thing to differentiate is the distress it causes along with the "not-me" sense that comes with these DDs, the feeling of passive influence or vaguely shared internal memories or mentally staring into a void searching for a crumb of memory and finding nothing but void.

[actuallyverynormalbtw]

while i do agree that the system community should not encourage behaviors of fear and avoidance towards media, i dont think calling systems that do not work like yours "unrealistic" is fair or factual.

it is also potentially very triggering, given that self-doubt and denial are a genuine mental health problems for systems. your point is entirely understandable considering your perspective, but nonetheless, ableist towards other systems. this especially effects systems with higher levels of dissociation; c-DID / polyfragmented systems; systems with high fictive counts and/or primarily introjected alters; systems with ADHD, autism, maladaptive daydreaming, OCD, tourettes, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, anxiety, and/or substance abuse disorders; systems with social isolation, rejection, and/or ostracization trauma...

i am sure you meant no harm, and of course i would never expect any given mentally ill person to be fully educated on every possible experience, comorbidity, and subdiagnosis of their mental illness, so i dont mean this as a call out, criticism, attack, or anything like that. i am just hoping you will hear out my point as your peer and a mental health advocate.

while many systems may only split introjects while consuming media under trauma, stress, and life transitions, and while that does tend to be the more common experience: it is not unrealistic to split an introject due to the act of media consumption or hyperfixation.

in fact, it is a trait found among systems with a low split threshold, a trait documented in polyfragmented DID / complex DID. this symptom falls under "complex splitting structure", which occurs due to the higher levels of dissociation and subsequent nervous system dysregulation. it is perfectly plausible for many complex DID systems to split in response to very minor stressors or changes. they may split when sleep deprived, when unable to make a certain decision, when experiencing a new circumstance, when a circumstance is repeated continously, when they make a certain connection or realization, when they travel somewhere new, when they consume a certain or unfamiliar chemical substance, and yes, when they consume media. consider any internal or external fluctuation, no matter how observedly minor or mild, to be a risk factor for disturbing this sort of nervous system to the extent of a split. every systems is different, as is every polyfragmented / complex system, so every system will split in different circumstances for reasons ultra-specific to their neurotype and experiences.

also, hyperfixation is an inherently stressful experience for your body, nervous system, and brain. it is perfectly reasonable, and even likely in some circumstances, for a system (with or without c-DID / polyfragmentation) to split due to hyperfixation. consider that hyperfixation is a state of intense focus with an inherently dissociative element to it, most often resulting in episodic self-neglect. hyperfixation causes a worsening of interoceptive skills and priority-based executive function, causing many to become dehydrated, malnourished, sleep deprived, socially isolated, and with neglect to personal hygeine. as in, a sudden decrease in physiological satisfaction and safety. this disrupts the state of homeostasis, resulting in nervous system activation. not only that, but hyperfixation is a rigid and obsessive experience that inherently causes stress when unable to engage, when others show distaste and disinterest, when it fades away, and for numerous other reasons. people have lost jobs, dropped out of school, and become hospitalized as a result of severe hyperfixations. not to mention the existence of symptom holding alters. my point being, despite it's enjoyability and regulatory qualities, it makes perfect sense for some systems to split due to hyperfixation and it makes sense for certain system structures for this to happen routinely.

i also want to add that the dissociative brain is not an exact science. our sense of time and stress can be distorted or nonsensical. splits can happen whenever and for whatever reason due to the brain's structural development. some systems consist of mostly, even entirely, of introjected alters. this makes sense to me, considering the neurotype's difficulty/disruption in constructing identity. splits due to media consumption can even be a positive thing, when they occur due to the character introjected symbolizing a certain lesson/belief/skilll/etc. a split occurs as a result of abnormally high levels of dissociation and/or because the brain believes it to be necessary, which is not necessarily always co-occuring with stress. while stress and trauma are frequently the cause, due to the origin of the disorder, it is not unrealistic for other factors to play a part.

i encourage you to ally yourself with systems who's experiences differ to your own, especially those with complex and non-normative system structures. and i especially encourage you to make peace with experiences you cannot make sense of. life, especially as a dissociative individual, is an unfathomably nonsensical and uniquely complex experience. there are billions of lived experiences out there that we are psychologically incapable even imagining. some things that dont make sense to you, arent so far off from another's lived reality. it can also be helpful for your own system to shed notions of this illness "making sense". in our experience, a focus on the Why as opposed to the What is ultimately more stress than the effort is worth. splits happen, sometimes they happen to be introjects, there is truly nothing unrealistic about it for brains like ours.

i know i took a lot of words to explain my point and i apologize for my inability to shorten or simplify. thank you for reading if you did so, i really do appreciate your time, energy, and consideration towards my point. i hope i dont come across and insensitive or rude, and i do apologize if that is the case because that is not remotely my intention.

id also like to clarify the point of view this is coming from. which would be from an autistic polyfragmented system of primarily brainmade alters and a low fictive count. i am definitely not a primary source on the topic of introjects or fictives, just an ally and a student. we have had a special interest in clinical psychology for almost 10 years, with almost 5 years of particular focus on abnormality, autism, trauma, and dissociation (as to explain my particular passion and knowledge on the subject).

Friendly reminder

No, you'll most likely not split a character because you watched a show or read a book. While yes if you're under stress or other strong negative emotions/life things and you fixate on a media as a way to escape then it's possible. But simply being "hyperfixated on a show and splitting an alter" is not very realistic.

After all this disorder is a coping mechanism for trauma and things similar to that. Not a randomized introject machine.

You don't have to be afraid or avoid interacting with media because of this.

(I swear this made more sense when I first wrote it but I accidentally deleted it 😭😭)

(below cut I'll talk about our experiences)

Yes, we did split an introject the day a manga came out. The day we read the first chapter. However coincidentally at the same time we were going through really really shitty family stuff that hurt like a motherfucker... still does

Or me (the introject writing this). I split after we finished watching the show I'm sourced from. But again it was not because we watched a show. It was because we were going through a rough relationship issues which ended in a breakup. Our entire system was in panic mode for weeks. It was painful and tbh kinda traumatic... -🪐

[shattered-system]

Yes, punk is about going against the grain— sometimes

As in, discrimination against minorities is not punk

As in, abelism is not punk

Therefore endos aren’t punk

Hope this helps! ❤️

[multiplesillylittleguys]

I wonder how an endo would react to actual OSDDID distress. Like an intense flashback where alters are screaming and crying and freaking out, where you're hyperventilating and get forced out of front because you're in too bad a mental state, even though everyone is.

Or when you're being taken advantage of because of your amnesia, perhaps adding to your already huge pile of trauma.

Or being somewhere, no idea how you got there and completely lost, panicking because how the hell are you going to find your way home? Where is home? Who even are you?

*actual* OSDDID isn't fun. It isn't just having people in your head. There's so much distress involved in this.

-Jayden

(ENDOS AND PRO-ENDOS DNI)

[the-sides-dimension]

If you post ANYTHING to r/fakedisordercringe or r/systemcringe leave my blog now. You are part of the problem

You should never support these places.

They won't believe you if you are polyfrag. They won't believe you if you're OSDD. They won't believe you if you're PDID. They won't believe you if you experienced RAMCOA. they won't believe you if you use neopronouns or xenogenders. They won't believe you if you use pluralkit or simply plural. They won't believe you if you are autistic. They won't believe you if you're schizospec. They won't believe you if you have introjects. They won't believe you if you don't remember your trauma. They won't believe you if you do.

These subreddits and adjacent communities are ableist shit holes where people make fun of marginalized people to make themselves feel better or like one of the good ones.

[moonlitmeadowsys]

even if endos were real and valid, they would have no place in cdd communities because our existence is so fundamentally different. people with cdds are ultimately trauma survivors and that shapes our entire life experience. let us have spaces to ourselves.

[candy-cloud-system]

Tw: syscourse ,

Endos DNI with this post.

Hot take; I shouldn’t have to be terrified to read / like posts. I should have to read the tags to make sure it’s not posted by an endo trying to infiltrate our spaces. I shouldn’t have to fear that the thing I’m gonna read is going to send me into a spiral because it’s gonna be some stupid ass shit about how “traumagenic systems are losers” or whatever the other stuff endos say about us is.

WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE AN ALTER WHO SITS OVER MY SHOULDER EVERY TIME I OPEN THIS APP THAT CAN PULL ME AWAY INCASE SOMETHING GETS BAD.

THAT SHOULD NOT BE A THING I, A TRAUMATIZED SYSTEM, SHOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHEN LOOKING FOR COMFORT OR SILLY CONTENT TO CHEER ME UP REGARDING THE TRAUMA FORMED DISORDER THAT WILL FOREVER MAKE MY LIFE DIFFICULT.

“Endos don’t hurt anyone🥺🥺🥺”

yes they fucking do.

- Sharkbite

[snow-on-mtsilver]

when anti endos get upset about endos/pro endos using sp or pk(both pro endo) i think of this scene for some reason since like, they can't really "steal" other people's usage of those things, and they're free for everyone to use so like

[ghxst-system]

"The future is plural" movement from endos is CONCERNING

regardless of the fact they do not believe you require trauma to be a system (medically impossible) this proves they want to groom kids into identifying as endo and spread their medical misinformation further.

as well as causing real systems to believe they dont have it bad enough to be "traumagenic" (the only "genic you can be. this language is bullshit im just using these terms to explain their shit), preventing them from getting real help. they are WIDELY anti-recovery.

their misinformation has ALREADY endangered real systems medically as they have made professionals skeptical of a medically proven disorder, a disorder that is already very stigmatised.

outside of just endogenic misinformation, this statement leads to the idea that they want to traumatise kids to make more systems.

ENDOS ARE FUCKING DANGEROUS

[deandraxon]

The amount of pro-endos that still think we don’t like endos cuz we had a bad experience with them is wild.

“They’re not all bad” They’re all spreading misinfo that you can be a system without trauma, which is bad. That’s why we don’t like them.

Systemhood is misunderstood enough as it is, we don’t need people out here making it worse by saying you can be a system “just cuz” you dense motherfuckers.

[gremmything]

Alright let's review notes:

- if endos aren't disordered they don't belong in disordered spaces

- if endos have no trauma they don't belong in spaces made for people who do have trauma

- being a system is both a symptom of a disorder, and a disorder in and of itself, you cannot be a system without being disordered

- being a system is specifically a symptom of and a trauma disorder, therefore you cannot be a system without trauma(you do not have to REMEMBER the trauma. But it has to exist)

• side note: trauma does not have to be "severe" because trauma is subjective.

Thanks for coming to my tedtalk. Unless I see more content that pisses me off, hopefully this will be the last post I make on my syscourse spiel and I can continue using my time to hyperfixate on royale high

[urennaisms]

Threatening to take away traumatized people's safe spaces and causing them to become unbelievably paranoid because they want a space of their own and you're upset about it is actually really fucking weird behavior ngl

Edit: Intentionally TRIGGERING people's paranoia is ableist as shit dude, FUCK Sophie and I'm horrendously sorry for anyone that spirals from her stupidity

[the-party-city]

its really funny seeing endos and endo supporters saying "youre hurting trauma survivors by being anti endo!"

yeah? im hurting trauma survivors? you mean, the people that claim to not have trauma?

be ASTRONOMICALLY real with yourself

[jabberwock-islanders]

love it when endogenic "systems" say "theres a study that proves we're valid!!" and give absolutely no resources backing them up. love it when endogenic "systems" break dnis and ignore peoples boundaries on a daily basis because they feel entitled to be part of the disabled community theyre mocking and couldnt care less about. love it when endogenic "systems" complain about being "triggered" when they actively harass LEGITIMATELY TRAUMATIZED PEOPLE and constantly tell them their trauma isn't valid, isn't "right."

get the FUCK out of here with that horse shit. get out of our communities. get out of our spaces. get your sad little asses away from these traumatized CHILDREN youre grooming into denying their trauma and making their situation so much harder. endogenic "systems" get the FUCK OUT.

-- zack 🔪