#; anti-endo-help syscourse

[lemony-ink]

"demedicalizing" complex dissociative disorders caused by severe and repeated trauma is wild

[jabberwock-islanders]

love it when endogenic "systems" say "theres a study that proves we're valid!!" and give absolutely no resources backing them up. love it when endogenic "systems" break dnis and ignore peoples boundaries on a daily basis because they feel entitled to be part of the disabled community theyre mocking and couldnt care less about. love it when endogenic "systems" complain about being "triggered" when they actively harass LEGITIMATELY TRAUMATIZED PEOPLE and constantly tell them their trauma isn't valid, isn't "right."

get the FUCK out of here with that horse shit. get out of our communities. get out of our spaces. get your sad little asses away from these traumatized CHILDREN youre grooming into denying their trauma and making their situation so much harder. endogenic "systems" get the FUCK OUT.

-- zack 🔪

[godly-rambles]

this isnt what i normally post but it's important to me that i say this

before you block me, please just hear me out

it scares me how much of alterhuman tumblr (and alterhumans in general) support(s) endogenic systems

systems are people who experienced severe repeated trauma before the age of nine. by removing the trauma factor its impossible to form alters.

before you turn nine, every emotion is a different state of self. (thank you @/quoigenicfromhell for helping me to understand this bit better) essentially you are a different person when you're hungry, happy, sad, scared, etc. when you experience such severe trauma that your body decides it's unsafe for your personalities to merge, THATS when you become a system.

Severe Repeated Childhood Trauma.

that is how systems form, thats literally how it works. the trauma factor is what makes the system a system

i wouldnt say im anti-endogenic, more like i'm endogenic cautious.

again i am all for hearing people out, please tell me your thoughts in the reblogs or comments, but this is just my personal take on it.

i wish no harm to people who identify as endogenic, live however you want to live.

this is how I've interpreted the topic as someone who isn't really qualified to have a take on it, i just wanted to share some of my thoughts.

UPDATE: I've read through the reblogs and comments on my take, and I still dont fully understand the identity itself, but it makes more sense now. Thank you to everyone who helped to explain it, I appreciate your help

I see everyone in the reblogs/comments talking about how being an endogenic system doubles as being alterhuman, but I really don't understand how that could be the case. If anyone's willing to explain it further please do

[quoigenicfromhell]

It's so fun to still have people talking about how we're not real casually as though that isn't crazy hurtful. Y'all should know better. Or did you forget that a bunch of doctors currently and historically think you don't exist? Having your lived experience be debate fuel isn't a fun experience.

[pluralhottakes]

endogenic systems aren't hurting anyone. we're tired of being excluded again and again. we get threats just for existing. we're told not to interact with people we'd otherwise get along with because we are endogenic. have some love in your hearts everyone. next time you see an endo system, tell them you love em just the way they are. we still struggle, a lot, and that it overlooked so often. (btw, this includes mixed origins, which i feel are also overlooked.)

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[sovereignsystem]

Endos love to act like every anti-endo wishes that they as people didn't exist, when that's just factually untrue.

I hate endos, I hate every sub-label they have, I hate every part of their "movement" to demedicalize a group of already stigmatized mental disorders, I will debate and fight till my last breath that nontraumagenic systems are impossible, and moreover extremely disrespectful/harmful to trauma survivors.

But I don't want them to die. I'm not gonna tell them, or anyone, to kill themselves because of it. I'm not a fucking monster who believes that everyone, even those who spread copious amounts of misinformation, should be erased from existence.

What I want is for them to listen to us, to actually understand what we're saying when we try to educate them on how these disorders work. What I want is for them to listen to the mental health professionals who say time and time again that nontraumagenic systemhood is impossible. I want them to listen when we tell them how much they hurt our communities- yes both of our communities.

But they don't. All they hear is "hate" on them so they turn their ears off and stop listening, even if they could (very possibly) learn something extremely important.

I hate what endos stand for, not who they are.

-🧟‍♂️/🛸 (He/him)

[thegeekcollective]

hey anti-endos can you at least do the bare minimum of not tagging your shit as pro endo. thanks

[shitty-proendo-blackout-posts]

[nuke-your-mind]

this goes for anyone but im making this post about alters becuase it happened to me today; dont call someones name girly/manly or anything like that if you dont know them. its very fucking weird in general but regardless of the origin of a name, if a man has a "girly" name it is a MANS name because a MAN uses it.

my name is aurora, and my subsystem and our partner call me aury/rory and someone in my server today said my name was girly. bodily we are FTM but i am also FTM in headspace so it felt like a gut punch. for the love of god do NOT do that shit.

[oopsallsyscourse]

saying pro endos are too caught up in *bashing* anti endos is like saying queer people are too caught up bashing queerphobes or ND people are too caught up bashing discrimination from NTs

Someone didn't read my tags. Anyway it was kinda a vent about a certain someone not caring about correcting mild misinformation and instead focusing on "well anti endos use this for stupid reasons"

But while we're here at unnecessary comparison land let's play in this space

You absolutely can focus on queerphobes to the detriment of queer space. If you focus all your energy on making fun of bigots and ignore something like racism in the community you create a space that's unsafe for queer POC. Especially if your insults become bigoted themselves.

Plus if you focus entirely on the us vs them dynamic you lose the ability to change other people's mind and make a real difference. Which you know, should be your objective in discourse spaces. Not just to talk to those you already agree with.

(Once again I write an essay in the tags)

[sirius-romsys]

"T-t-t-the endos ignored my DNI!!"

Yes Marley, ((fake name)) they did!! You're in syscourse, talking about disagreeing with endos! They're going to ignore your DNI for whatever reason!!

—Toms

[seillean-sys]

Okay I’m going to say something and it’s going to make some people mad but I need you guys to take this for what it says.

OSDDID Alters are parts of a whole. That does not mean they’re not autonomous, or that they don’t have their own thoughts, opinions, and emotions. It just means that we are parts of a whole. This is the medical definition of alters in OSDDID. To view alters as distinct, separate people (not parts or personality states) a la multiple souls in one body is actually anti recovery and counterproductive to healing of any kind, whether you’re moving towards final fusion or any other type of healing. We are parts that are elaborated. I am a part that is elaborated. I have a name, likes, dislikes, opinions, etc. I am autonomous. I am still a part.

[squidcourse]

This is something I’ve only really seen on Discord, but I wanted to talk about it here as it has always confused me.

A lot of discord servers I am on that are “system focused” often have an “new alter help” channel which is basically supposed to be like a support channel for new alters. Conversations in a channel like this are almost always the same. Someone will message this channel, and claim that they are simultaneously very confused about everything (who they are, what Discord is, sometimes what device they are using, what PluralKit is, etc) but know to come to this channel for an explanation to help them understand that they are part of a system. Once someone replies to try and help them figure it out, there is always an assumption that the clueless new alter must be an introject. This is always the first assumption, and it is virtually always correct. Then, the channel is used to play a guessing game as to what is the new alter’s source.

?????

What is this? I don’t join servers that allow endogenics, but like what is this phenomenon? Has anyone had an experience like this? What causes this? How is this a thing? It just confuses me. What is the logic behind this? I do not understand. I see this constantly.

Would love to hear what anyone has to say about this, I’m just constantly confused by the whole thing.

[sysmedsaresexist]

When you're done arguing and know you're right, but they keep going

[aspengenic]

God isn't real.

TW: sex in inner space

Listen, I won't lie and say this doesn't happen to me. Sometimes alters fucking in headspace does get a little too close to the front, but uhm. That's something I'd just mention to my close friend as a funny haha, and not TikTok where a lot of my audience are children.

Also to say it... enhances your personal experience???? Hello????? What the fuck, hello????

"They just stopped and now they're staring at me!" Shut the fuck upppp...

[decaying-experiments]

hey guys I'm making this post to get a certain post taken down. this person is spreading misinformation, told lies about us, and is calling us a "client" they're whole account is fucked up pls help by reporting them/their recent post - its disgusting

for some context they said HC-DID doesn't exist, fictives/factives don't exist, in their posts they say they're a therapist of somewhat and that they're 50+ years old

reblog if you can so others watch out for this person

the username:

didadoseofreality