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anti-endo-help · 5 months ago
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you are not a system without trauma.
your system did not form for any reason other than trauma.
"non-traumagenic" isn't a thing.
"traumaendo" isn't a thing.
trauma survivors shouldn't have to clarify that they're "traumagenic" because people want to roleplay on the internet.
go fuck yourself if you think that "endos" are valid. my trauma isn't a label you can wear.
you can not be a system without trauma.
you can not be a system without trauma.
you can not be a system without trauma.
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[ID: STOP! this blog is a strictly anti-endo space! pro-endos and endo neutrals, shoo! shoo shoo!]
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jabberwock-islanders · 4 months ago
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love it when endogenic "systems" say "theres a study that proves we're valid!!" and give absolutely no resources backing them up. love it when endogenic "systems" break dnis and ignore peoples boundaries on a daily basis because they feel entitled to be part of the disabled community theyre mocking and couldnt care less about. love it when endogenic "systems" complain about being "triggered" when they actively harass LEGITIMATELY TRAUMATIZED PEOPLE and constantly tell them their trauma isn't valid, isn't "right."
get the FUCK out of here with that horse shit. get out of our communities. get out of our spaces. get your sad little asses away from these traumatized CHILDREN youre grooming into denying their trauma and making their situation so much harder. endogenic "systems" get the FUCK OUT.
-- zack 🔪
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lemony-ink · 6 months ago
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"demedicalizing" complex dissociative disorders caused by severe and repeated trauma is wild
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godly-rambles · 4 months ago
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this isnt what i normally post but it's important to me that i say this
before you block me, please just hear me out
it scares me how much of alterhuman tumblr (and alterhumans in general) support(s) endogenic systems
systems are people who experienced severe repeated trauma before the age of nine. by removing the trauma factor its impossible to form alters.
before you turn nine, every emotion is a different state of self. (thank you @/quoigenicfromhell for helping me to understand this bit better) essentially you are a different person when you're hungry, happy, sad, scared, etc. when you experience such severe trauma that your body decides it's unsafe for your personalities to merge, THATS when you become a system.
Severe Repeated Childhood Trauma.
that is how systems form, thats literally how it works. the trauma factor is what makes the system a system
i wouldnt say im anti-endogenic, more like i'm endogenic cautious.
again i am all for hearing people out, please tell me your thoughts in the reblogs or comments, but this is just my personal take on it.
i wish no harm to people who identify as endogenic, live however you want to live.
this is how I've interpreted the topic as someone who isn't really qualified to have a take on it, i just wanted to share some of my thoughts.
UPDATE: I've read through the reblogs and comments on my take, and I still dont fully understand the identity itself, but it makes more sense now. Thank you to everyone who helped to explain it, I appreciate your help
I see everyone in the reblogs/comments talking about how being an endogenic system doubles as being alterhuman, but I really don't understand how that could be the case. If anyone's willing to explain it further please do
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quoigenicfromhell · 8 months ago
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It's so fun to still have people talking about how we're not real casually as though that isn't crazy hurtful. Y'all should know better. Or did you forget that a bunch of doctors currently and historically think you don't exist? Having your lived experience be debate fuel isn't a fun experience.
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pluralhottakes · 3 months ago
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endogenic systems aren't hurting anyone. we're tired of being excluded again and again. we get threats just for existing. we're told not to interact with people we'd otherwise get along with because we are endogenic. have some love in your hearts everyone. next time you see an endo system, tell them you love em just the way they are. we still struggle, a lot, and that it overlooked so often. (btw, this includes mixed origins, which i feel are also overlooked.)
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sovereignsystem · 4 months ago
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Endos love to act like every anti-endo wishes that they as people didn't exist, when that's just factually untrue.
I hate endos, I hate every sub-label they have, I hate every part of their "movement" to demedicalize a group of already stigmatized mental disorders, I will debate and fight till my last breath that nontraumagenic systems are impossible, and moreover extremely disrespectful/harmful to trauma survivors.
But I don't want them to die. I'm not gonna tell them, or anyone, to kill themselves because of it. I'm not a fucking monster who believes that everyone, even those who spread copious amounts of misinformation, should be erased from existence.
What I want is for them to listen to us, to actually understand what we're saying when we try to educate them on how these disorders work. What I want is for them to listen to the mental health professionals who say time and time again that nontraumagenic systemhood is impossible. I want them to listen when we tell them how much they hurt our communities- yes both of our communities.
But they don't. All they hear is "hate" on them so they turn their ears off and stop listening, even if they could (very possibly) learn something extremely important.
I hate what endos stand for, not who they are.
-🧟‍♂️/🛸 (He/him)
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thegeekcollective · 2 months ago
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hey anti-endos can you at least do the bare minimum of not tagging your shit as pro endo. thanks
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#just make your own things away from#-endos if you hate us so much#endos/proendos: if antis want their own stuff and spaces away from us then they should make those things#anti endos: *creating atlasduo and the syspunk tag*#endos/proendos: i cant believe theyre actually doing that! wow! lets raid the tag and insult them for doing what we wanted them to!#i know this is a stretch but i cant help but feel reminded of how people would tell me to do things and then get mad at me for following-#-their exact instructions and taking them seriously. because apparently i wasnt supposed to actually do that. except now im not the victim-#-of that. and now the people who are on my side are doing that. i hate it. i hate it so much. dont say ONLY TO INVADE AND MOCK THE THINGS#also: congrats!! you are proving all of them right when they say we dont respect boundaries and crosstag!! you're making it worse!!#i can kind of understand the tag aspect simply because theyre calling themselves “punk” when theyre so fond of the psychiatric field.#but its still a dick move. and its even worse to say that if antis want versions of sp and pk that arent proendo they should make their own#-bot and app only to mock them for doing exactly that. it just reminds me too much of past experiences. i hate people that do that.#i dont care if they hate me at this point im with the anti endos on this one. and frankly im very disappointed that im actually saying this#lol.exe#blackout poetry#pro endo#endo safe#endo friendly#anti rq#radqueers fuck off#this is a new level of syscourse im yelling at my own community now
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nuke-your-mind · 4 months ago
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this goes for anyone but im making this post about alters becuase it happened to me today; dont call someones name girly/manly or anything like that if you dont know them. its very fucking weird in general but regardless of the origin of a name, if a man has a "girly" name it is a MANS name because a MAN uses it.
my name is aurora, and my subsystem and our partner call me aury/rory and someone in my server today said my name was girly. bodily we are FTM but i am also FTM in headspace so it felt like a gut punch. for the love of god do NOT do that shit.
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oopsallsyscourse · 7 months ago
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saying pro endos are too caught up in *bashing* anti endos is like saying queer people are too caught up bashing queerphobes or ND people are too caught up bashing discrimination from NTs
Someone didn't read my tags. Anyway it was kinda a vent about a certain someone not caring about correcting mild misinformation and instead focusing on "well anti endos use this for stupid reasons"
But while we're here at unnecessary comparison land let's play in this space
You absolutely can focus on queerphobes to the detriment of queer space. If you focus all your energy on making fun of bigots and ignore something like racism in the community you create a space that's unsafe for queer POC. Especially if your insults become bigoted themselves.
Plus if you focus entirely on the us vs them dynamic you lose the ability to change other people's mind and make a real difference. Which you know, should be your objective in discourse spaces. Not just to talk to those you already agree with.
(Once again I write an essay in the tags)
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anti-endo-help · 5 months ago
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one thing i'd like people to talk about more is the fact that being 'endogenic' or 'willogenic' is the same thing as (or at least derivative of) being transplural.
i believe most rational people can agree that it's absolutely ridiculous to label yourself a system because it's an 'identity,' but one thing transIDs and endos have in common is that they fully believe serious mental health disorders are labels they can wear.
transIDs and endos are both invalid and disgusting, and should be treated as such, because they're nearly the same thing. the main difference is that endos think you can be a system without trauma, while transplurals believe you can 'transition' into being a system. both are gross.
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[ID: STOP! this blog is a strictly anti-endo space! pro-endos and endo neutrals, shoo! shoo shoo!]
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certainlythewolverine · 6 months ago
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"T-t-t-the endos ignored my DNI!!"
Yes Marley, ((fake name)) they did!! You're in syscourse, talking about disagreeing with endos! They're going to ignore your DNI for whatever reason!!
—Toms
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squidcourse · 2 years ago
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This is something I’ve only really seen on Discord, but I wanted to talk about it here as it has always confused me.
A lot of discord servers I am on that are “system focused” often have an “new alter help” channel which is basically supposed to be like a support channel for new alters. Conversations in a channel like this are almost always the same. Someone will message this channel, and claim that they are simultaneously very confused about everything (who they are, what Discord is, sometimes what device they are using, what PluralKit is, etc) but know to come to this channel for an explanation to help them understand that they are part of a system. Once someone replies to try and help them figure it out, there is always an assumption that the clueless new alter must be an introject. This is always the first assumption, and it is virtually always correct. Then, the channel is used to play a guessing game as to what is the new alter’s source.
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What is this? I don’t join servers that allow endogenics, but like what is this phenomenon? Has anyone had an experience like this? What causes this? How is this a thing? It just confuses me. What is the logic behind this? I do not understand. I see this constantly.
Would love to hear what anyone has to say about this, I’m just constantly confused by the whole thing.
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seillean-sys · 1 year ago
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Okay I’m going to say something and it’s going to make some people mad but I need you guys to take this for what it says.
OSDDID Alters are parts of a whole. That does not mean they’re not autonomous, or that they don’t have their own thoughts, opinions, and emotions. It just means that we are parts of a whole. This is the medical definition of alters in OSDDID. To view alters as distinct, separate people (not parts or personality states) a la multiple souls in one body is actually anti recovery and counterproductive to healing of any kind, whether you’re moving towards final fusion or any other type of healing. We are parts that are elaborated. I am a part that is elaborated. I have a name, likes, dislikes, opinions, etc. I am autonomous. I am still a part.
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sysmedsaresexist · 2 years ago
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When you're done arguing and know you're right, but they keep going
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