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you are not a system without trauma.
your system did not form for any reason other than trauma.
"non-traumagenic" isn't a thing.
"traumaendo" isn't a thing.
trauma survivors shouldn't have to clarify that they're "traumagenic" because people want to roleplay on the internet.
go fuck yourself if you think that "endos" are valid. my trauma isn't a label you can wear.
you can not be a system without trauma.
you can not be a system without trauma.
you can not be a system without trauma.
[ID: STOP! this blog is a strictly anti-endo space! pro-endos and endo neutrals, shoo! shoo shoo!]
#; anti-endo-help syscourse#syscourse#system discourse#traumagenic did#did osdd#did alter#actually did#did system#osddid#dissociative system#traumagenic system#system stuff#syspunk#systempunk#anti endo#endos dni#endos fuck off#endos not for you#survivorsunited#endos are ableist#endos aren't real#endos arent valid#traumascum
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love it when endogenic "systems" say "theres a study that proves we're valid!!" and give absolutely no resources backing them up. love it when endogenic "systems" break dnis and ignore peoples boundaries on a daily basis because they feel entitled to be part of the disabled community theyre mocking and couldnt care less about. love it when endogenic "systems" complain about being "triggered" when they actively harass LEGITIMATELY TRAUMATIZED PEOPLE and constantly tell them their trauma isn't valid, isn't "right."
get the FUCK out of here with that horse shit. get out of our communities. get out of our spaces. get your sad little asses away from these traumatized CHILDREN youre grooming into denying their trauma and making their situation so much harder. endogenic "systems" get the FUCK OUT.
-- zack 🔪
#; jwi syscourse post#we dont usually post this kind of stuff but its fucking ridiculous#endos dni#anti endo#endos fuck off#seriously FUCK OFF#no one wants your fake ass in this community#we're here to help each other survive not harass people who are literally suffering every day of their life#get fucking help for the love of god#did system#traumagenic system#did osdd#dissociative system#actually traumagenic#actually did
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"demedicalizing" complex dissociative disorders caused by severe and repeated trauma is wild
#did system#traumagenic system#actually did#actually dissociative#did#did osdd#did stuff#dissociation#dissociative identity disorder#dissociative system#system things#system stuff#osdd system#introjects#sys help#system#sys blog#sys vent#sysblr#sysblur#syspunk#sysposting#sys punk#sys posting#syscource#syscourse#syscord#endos do not interact#endos dni#anti endo
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this isnt what i normally post but it's important to me that i say this
before you block me, please just hear me out
it scares me how much of alterhuman tumblr (and alterhumans in general) support(s) endogenic systems
systems are people who experienced severe repeated trauma before the age of nine. by removing the trauma factor its impossible to form alters.
before you turn nine, every emotion is a different state of self. (thank you @/quoigenicfromhell for helping me to understand this bit better) essentially you are a different person when you're hungry, happy, sad, scared, etc. when you experience such severe trauma that your body decides it's unsafe for your personalities to merge, THATS when you become a system.
Severe Repeated Childhood Trauma.
that is how systems form, thats literally how it works. the trauma factor is what makes the system a system
i wouldnt say im anti-endogenic, more like i'm endogenic cautious.
again i am all for hearing people out, please tell me your thoughts in the reblogs or comments, but this is just my personal take on it.
i wish no harm to people who identify as endogenic, live however you want to live.
this is how I've interpreted the topic as someone who isn't really qualified to have a take on it, i just wanted to share some of my thoughts.
UPDATE: I've read through the reblogs and comments on my take, and I still dont fully understand the identity itself, but it makes more sense now. Thank you to everyone who helped to explain it, I appreciate your help
I see everyone in the reblogs/comments talking about how being an endogenic system doubles as being alterhuman, but I really don't understand how that could be the case. If anyone's willing to explain it further please do
#TAGS ARE OUTDATED- LEAVING THEM UP JUST IN CASE#i feel like i need to spread awareness because it concerns me how many people encourage hurtful behaviour like this#because its dangerous just how many people encourage it#im totally open to learning about other people's takes on the topic#again- please help to educate me if you feel as though i'm wrong#tags after this one are just for traction#plurality#syscourse#endos dni#endos fuck off#anti endo#traumagenic system#non traumagenic dni#traumagenic did#endogenic system#anti endogenic#pro endogenic#endo system#actually traumagenic#actually dissociative#non traumagenic safe#actually did
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It's so fun to still have people talking about how we're not real casually as though that isn't crazy hurtful. Y'all should know better. Or did you forget that a bunch of doctors currently and historically think you don't exist? Having your lived experience be debate fuel isn't a fun experience.
#syscourse#and you all wonder why we get so fucking tired of being told we just need to look past the bad anti-endos#this is the discourse alignment you choose. we cannot help being non-traumagenic#you have an option not to identify with the shitty people and we are held accountable for everyone who happens to fall into a category#we cannot control
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endogenic systems aren't hurting anyone. we're tired of being excluded again and again. we get threats just for existing. we're told not to interact with people we'd otherwise get along with because we are endogenic. have some love in your hearts everyone. next time you see an endo system, tell them you love em just the way they are. we still struggle, a lot, and that it overlooked so often. (btw, this includes mixed origins, which i feel are also overlooked.)
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#be kind everyone#being hateful helps no one#but anti-endos don't understand that sadly#society sees all of us the same way#stop being hateful#please cut it out#endo friendly#plural community#pluralgang#plurality#pluralpunk#pro endo#mixed origin system#traumaendo#endogenic safe#syscourse
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Endos love to act like every anti-endo wishes that they as people didn't exist, when that's just factually untrue.
I hate endos, I hate every sub-label they have, I hate every part of their "movement" to demedicalize a group of already stigmatized mental disorders, I will debate and fight till my last breath that nontraumagenic systems are impossible, and moreover extremely disrespectful/harmful to trauma survivors.
But I don't want them to die. I'm not gonna tell them, or anyone, to kill themselves because of it. I'm not a fucking monster who believes that everyone, even those who spread copious amounts of misinformation, should be erased from existence.
What I want is for them to listen to us, to actually understand what we're saying when we try to educate them on how these disorders work. What I want is for them to listen to the mental health professionals who say time and time again that nontraumagenic systemhood is impossible. I want them to listen when we tell them how much they hurt our communities- yes both of our communities.
But they don't. All they hear is "hate" on them so they turn their ears off and stop listening, even if they could (very possibly) learn something extremely important.
I hate what endos stand for, not who they are.
-🧟♂️/🛸 (He/him)
#sovsys.txt#((malachi🧟♂️))#((charbo🛸))#charbo helped a bit w the phrasing so he gets credited too lol#anti endo#endos dni#syspunk#systempunk#endos fuck off#sys#system#syscourse#sysblr#anti endo system#anti endogenic#polyfrag system#actually traumagenic#traumagenic system#system things
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hey anti-endos can you at least do the bare minimum of not tagging your shit as pro endo. thanks
#the collective's chatters#orion's posts 🖋️#and i guess#artsy's posts#they briefly popped up to cowrite this. or at least help voice it in our mind#the collective's plural tag#syscourse#pro endo#saw an anti-endo post in pro-endo and i am. going to end up in the news <- man who's been through Some Shit today#lux don't look
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#just make your own things away from#-endos if you hate us so much#endos/proendos: if antis want their own stuff and spaces away from us then they should make those things#anti endos: *creating atlasduo and the syspunk tag*#endos/proendos: i cant believe theyre actually doing that! wow! lets raid the tag and insult them for doing what we wanted them to!#i know this is a stretch but i cant help but feel reminded of how people would tell me to do things and then get mad at me for following-#-their exact instructions and taking them seriously. because apparently i wasnt supposed to actually do that. except now im not the victim-#-of that. and now the people who are on my side are doing that. i hate it. i hate it so much. dont say ONLY TO INVADE AND MOCK THE THINGS#also: congrats!! you are proving all of them right when they say we dont respect boundaries and crosstag!! you're making it worse!!#i can kind of understand the tag aspect simply because theyre calling themselves “punk” when theyre so fond of the psychiatric field.#but its still a dick move. and its even worse to say that if antis want versions of sp and pk that arent proendo they should make their own#-bot and app only to mock them for doing exactly that. it just reminds me too much of past experiences. i hate people that do that.#i dont care if they hate me at this point im with the anti endos on this one. and frankly im very disappointed that im actually saying this#lol.exe#blackout poetry#pro endo#endo safe#endo friendly#anti rq#radqueers fuck off#this is a new level of syscourse im yelling at my own community now
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this goes for anyone but im making this post about alters becuase it happened to me today; dont call someones name girly/manly or anything like that if you dont know them. its very fucking weird in general but regardless of the origin of a name, if a man has a "girly" name it is a MANS name because a MAN uses it.
my name is aurora, and my subsystem and our partner call me aury/rory and someone in my server today said my name was girly. bodily we are FTM but i am also FTM in headspace so it felt like a gut punch. for the love of god do NOT do that shit.
#aurora (he/him)#nuke txt (syscourse)#actually did#anti endo#did#did community#did osdd#did system#trans#trans discourse#trans names#naming#names#name help#transgender#trans ftm#trans male#trans mac#trans man#transmasc#transmasculine
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saying pro endos are too caught up in *bashing* anti endos is like saying queer people are too caught up bashing queerphobes or ND people are too caught up bashing discrimination from NTs
Someone didn't read my tags. Anyway it was kinda a vent about a certain someone not caring about correcting mild misinformation and instead focusing on "well anti endos use this for stupid reasons"
But while we're here at unnecessary comparison land let's play in this space
You absolutely can focus on queerphobes to the detriment of queer space. If you focus all your energy on making fun of bigots and ignore something like racism in the community you create a space that's unsafe for queer POC. Especially if your insults become bigoted themselves.
Plus if you focus entirely on the us vs them dynamic you lose the ability to change other people's mind and make a real difference. Which you know, should be your objective in discourse spaces. Not just to talk to those you already agree with.
(Once again I write an essay in the tags)
#asks#syscourse#I'm really tired of pro endo blogs not wanting their misinformation and ableism challenged#what do you mean you don't want to improve and make you blog a better space for systems of all types#do you just want to “win” discourse at all cost#including making things worse for endogenic systems?#not saying yoh have to be nice to anti endos but having good information to debunk helps a ton
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one thing i'd like people to talk about more is the fact that being 'endogenic' or 'willogenic' is the same thing as (or at least derivative of) being transplural.
i believe most rational people can agree that it's absolutely ridiculous to label yourself a system because it's an 'identity,' but one thing transIDs and endos have in common is that they fully believe serious mental health disorders are labels they can wear.
transIDs and endos are both invalid and disgusting, and should be treated as such, because they're nearly the same thing. the main difference is that endos think you can be a system without trauma, while transplurals believe you can 'transition' into being a system. both are gross.
[ID: STOP! this blog is a strictly anti-endo space! pro-endos and endo neutrals, shoo! shoo shoo!]
#; anti-endo-help syscourse#syscourse#system discourse#traumagenic did#did system#did osdd#did alter#actually did#did community#osddid#dissociative system#systempunk#traumagenic system#system stuff#syspunk#traumascum#survivorsunited#endos not for you#endos fuck off#anti endo#endos dni#transid dni#transid discourse
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"T-t-t-the endos ignored my DNI!!"
Yes Marley, ((fake name)) they did!! You're in syscourse, talking about disagreeing with endos! They're going to ignore your DNI for whatever reason!!
—Toms
#endos dni#actually did#did osdd#did system#anti endo#system stuff#did alter#plural community#plural system#endos fuck off#endos arent valid#endos aren't real#endos are ableist#endos get help#endos not for you#did safe#polyfrag did#did community#syscourse#did#system safe#system things#traumagenic system#actually a system#dissociative system#system#osddid#osdd#osdd safe#actually plural
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This is something I’ve only really seen on Discord, but I wanted to talk about it here as it has always confused me.
A lot of discord servers I am on that are “system focused” often have an “new alter help” channel which is basically supposed to be like a support channel for new alters. Conversations in a channel like this are almost always the same. Someone will message this channel, and claim that they are simultaneously very confused about everything (who they are, what Discord is, sometimes what device they are using, what PluralKit is, etc) but know to come to this channel for an explanation to help them understand that they are part of a system. Once someone replies to try and help them figure it out, there is always an assumption that the clueless new alter must be an introject. This is always the first assumption, and it is virtually always correct. Then, the channel is used to play a guessing game as to what is the new alter’s source.
?????
What is this? I don’t join servers that allow endogenics, but like what is this phenomenon? Has anyone had an experience like this? What causes this? How is this a thing? It just confuses me. What is the logic behind this? I do not understand. I see this constantly.
Would love to hear what anyone has to say about this, I’m just constantly confused by the whole thing.
#🍪 miscellaneous#syscourse#anti endo#endos do not interact#endos dni#introject discussion#system discord#system stuff#dissociative stuff#new alter help channel
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Okay I’m going to say something and it’s going to make some people mad but I need you guys to take this for what it says.
OSDDID Alters are parts of a whole. That does not mean they’re not autonomous, or that they don’t have their own thoughts, opinions, and emotions. It just means that we are parts of a whole. This is the medical definition of alters in OSDDID. To view alters as distinct, separate people (not parts or personality states) a la multiple souls in one body is actually anti recovery and counterproductive to healing of any kind, whether you’re moving towards final fusion or any other type of healing. We are parts that are elaborated. I am a part that is elaborated. I have a name, likes, dislikes, opinions, etc. I am autonomous. I am still a part.
#Cheshire.png#I’m worried people are going to like#do the whole your experience is not universal thing#which like fair and fine#whatever#but that does not change that medically#alters are parts of a whole#and I’m pretty staunchly anti endo so you can guess my stance on that#syscourse#god help me as I put that tag
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When you're done arguing and know you're right, but they keep going
#if you're not reading shit neither am i#sophiecourse#syscourse#anti endo#shit endos say#anti endogenic#does it help if i say instead#the use of the word endogenic can be traced all the way back to Freud's *theories*#?#is that better?#i don't even care anymore#Sophie is losing followers and support and i wait for the day she disappears into obscurity and is nothing more than a bad memory#lunastusco has been disowned#I'm going back to my usual content
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