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you guys care more about being a system online and defending your validitity than you do actually learning to cope with it day-to-day.

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i had no idea it was this bad, jesus. we stopped supporting them over that final ask about the “most systems are faking” thing, we even made some posts about them, but holy shit.

Please read this if you follow @pipinghot-systemtakes or have interacted with their posts:

I have been debating on whether or not I should say something but after seeing the number of shit this blog has allowed to be posted is concerning and I am done being silent and waiting for someone else to call them out.

This blog, is actively spreading misinformation, posting fear mongering posts, and racist posts that have offended many POC systems.

TW: racism, fakeclaiming, ableist takes, elements of paranoia, fear mongering, transid shit

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Let’s start off with the racism. This blog has posted an ask about someone talking about name discourse and how it’s “stupid”

Now if you don’t understand what this person is referring to, they are referring to systems using names from cultures that are not of their own (specifically white systems using names from cultures that are predominantly associated with POC)

It’s problematic because using names from cultures that are not your own without proper research or respect is racist. There are names that are closed and are sacred and should NOT be used by people outside of that culture unless it was granted to them by someone from that culture.

As you can see, there is proof that the ask has very much offended systems, especially POC systems. The blog has yet to formally respond to this situation.

Another thing, this blog has posted an ask of someone admitting to using transids for their alters. Here is the ask that this blog posted:

THIS. Is actively harming and spreading misinfo to the system community. The blog has allowed this anon to voice out that they actively use transids for their system, which if you don’t know, is stuff like transabled, transracial, transage, and has origins linked to transphobia, racism, and ableism. These labels were created under the excuse that it’s the same as being transgender (Urban Dictionary).

KEEP IN MIND, this blog has also stated IN THEIR PINNED, that they wont post takes that is “genuinely harmful” or with “endo rhetoric” but then posts asks like the transid one. Heres proof to that:

To what extent is an ask considered “harmful”. Because to us, that transid post seems very much harmful and VERY MUCH ‘ENDO RHETORIC’ (if you are confused, a good chunk of the system community often compare endos to ppl who use the transabled label as most endos claim that being a system is possible without trauma, aka, pretending to have a disorder that they dont have. Again, not all, some are just misinformed or they don’t remember their trauma well enough or are in denial). Just what exactly is considered harmful to this person running the blog? It makes no sense. You say you don’t post stuff that hurts systems yet you post misinformation and racist asks. This doesn’t end here either, theres more.

Heres another post that they have posted:

At first glance it doesn’t seem too bad, until you read the top part. “Cores”. Systems can’t have cores, because in early development, a child DOES NOT HAVE A WHOLE SENSE OF SELF. Repeated trauma prevents the child from ever achieving that whole sense of self, hence why it’s impossible for systems to have cores. The blog has however, acknowledged that the post was misleading, but this is the only time they even respond to any sort of backlash, and it wasn’t even a proper apology, just an admission with an excuse that they thought the rest of the take was fine.

Not to mention the post is STILL UP FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE. They didn’t take it down, its still up for people to see.

Theres more that deliberately spread worse misinfo:

This is just incorrect on so many levels. Alter fusion IS NOT ALWAYS VOLUNTARY. And we have personally dealt with involuntary fusions before and it’s not fun. Yes they might not happen often but they still happen, and us and a bunch of other systems who we know can vouch for this. The anon claims that involuntary fusion might ‘scare young systems’ but you can’t ignore such an important part of a disorder and assume that itll scare them. You’re just reinforcing the idea that fusion is scary by SAYING IT MIGHT BE SCARY. It would be a whole lot less scary if you actually educated and comforted young systems on it rather than keeping silent. That’s how you break stigmas and fears. Not by keeping your mouth shut and spreading misinfo.

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Now. We all know about endos and how they can be a bit much sometimes. Sometimes they’re misinformed, sometimes they’re just blatantly ableist. But no matter who you are talking about, endo or not, YOU CANNOT JUST ARMCHAIR DIAGNOSE STRANGERS ON THE INTERNET, WITH MaDD OF ALL THINGS.

Daydreaming is NEVER comparable to plurality, even if it’s faked, because daydreaming is a WHOLE different concept and issue that is sometimes debilitating on its own. We struggle with daydreams 24/7, and we REGULARLY have to deal with vivid daydreams that are often completely unrelated to our dissociation and our system. Again, more misinfo and straight up insulting to people who actually struggle with maladaptive daydreaming.

Now this bothers me. There are hundreds, if not, THOUSANDS of systems WHO CANNOT AFFORD AN OFFICIAL DIAGNOSIS. For some of us, IT WOULD PUT US IN DANGER. Comparing DID to delusions or psychosis is just not accurate whatsoever. They are in no way shape or form, similar enough to be compared. While yes, many do have similar symptoms but you have to remember, some diagnoses can lead you to be diagnosed with DID (PTSD is a prerequisite for DID, as DID is a trauma disorder, you would need to exhibit PTSD symptoms on top of the dissociative symptoms)

Also, self therapy is not always possible, ESPECIALLY for a disorder like DID. DID is a very debilitating disorder that cannot just be fixed or treated with alone, you NEED a professional to help you. You can attempt to manage your symptoms but you will always reach a dead end where you cannot handle it without support. And for self therapy to even happen you would have to, you guessed it, self diagnose. Not to mention, self diagnoses are as accurate, if not, more accurate than actual diagnoses given by doctors. There are still minorities (women, POC, LGBTQ, etc), who are misdiagnosed more often than those who are not in any minority. There are neurodivergent people who are dismissed or misdiagnosed with anxiety or bipolar rather than autism or adhd.

If someone was wrong about their self diagnosis, the worst that can happen is that they were wrong and now they have to figure out what else it could be. HOWEVER, if a DOCTOR is wrong about a person’s diagnosis, IT COULD COST THE PERSON THEIR LIFE.

Unfortunately this blog allowed a closed minded person to bash on self diagnosing without any empathy for the reasons why people do it in the first place. It hurts, especially when you have been medically neglected and are actively fighting to try and get the help you need. No sane person would self diagnose and call it a day without attempting to get actual help for it (if they even can, remember, on some places it’s dangerous for us to even have the official diagnosis).

TW BELOW: very triggering fakeclaiming of the entire system community, some elements of paranoia from what was said in this post

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NOW, I saved the worst one (in our opinion cuz it actually is triggering for us and some of our friends), because it hurts the entire system community:

Now I am not even gonna explain this one because I already reblogged this one with my response earlier. I will link that post here:

To add on, YOU CANT FUCKING FAKE YOUR SYMPTOMS UNCONSCIOUSLY OR SUBCONSCIOUSLY. Faking something in general is almost ALWAYS DONE INTENTIONALLY.

You cannot fake something without intention. It’s fucking impossible. And by saying you can, puts us and many other systems back into self doubt, denial, and distress from the mere idea of the possibility. You are inducing paranoia by saying otherwise.

Now, I will say, in the beginning days, this account was pretty good. It allowed people to voice out things that people were and are still afraid to talk about. But theres a HUGE difference between a hottake and a take that is filled with misinformation, or is racist, ableist, or triggering. So if you are the owner of this blog and you are reading this, I have something to say to you:

Please fucking listen to the people when they are upset. You have only ever responded on ONE occasion and have ignored the worser ones.

I suggest you either delete the posts that are clearly very harmful (including ones that aren’t included in this post, I know theres more) and release a FORMAL APOLOGY FOR ALL OF THEM and get other people to help you sort out your asks and filter out the bad ones PROPERLY,

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Shut down your blog if you can’t make the fucking time or put any effort into apologizing. You said it yourself that you wouldn’t post anything harmful yet on MULTIPLE OCCASIONS you have done the exact opposite. You went back on your word.

You can’t use the excuse of ‘oh i didnt know it was harmful’ because lets be real, one person can’t dictate whats right and wrong alone, you always need a group of people with a wide variety of views and opinions so that you are not making biased and harmful choices. What you perceive as okay, is not always okay to other people. If you ever want a chance to even REDEEM yourself then you need to change how you run the blog. And if you can’t then don’t continue to run it.

We will wait for your response. If you don’t reblog this post with a proper apology and accountability then we will just unfollow and block you. And so will a number of systems who follow or interact your blog.

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no bc part of the reason im so anti endo is bc im so sick of suffering and hating myself for being a system host and spiraling through constant denial and feeling like i can never truly live the life i want just to see my trauma disorder get infantalized and fetishized with cutesy quirky xenoorigins. like its really not fun to be a system sometimes and im tired of pretending its all sunshine and rainbows. im tired of letting people invade our spaces and pretend its all sunshine and rainbows. im sick of traumagenics not being able to have our own spaces WITHOUT endos invading and calling us sysmeds, "trolling" us, or saying we deserved our trauma.

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Image text: When people have DID do you guys think there’s ever like. a racist one (end ID)

people on tiktok have such consistently shitty takes about did but man it do be funny sometimes

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alters are just not the hardest or most important part of DID/OSDD, sorry. they're just not. are they important? yes. but for gods sake that is NOT the only or most severe part of the disorder.

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hey!! this is just not how anything works and is spreading extremely dangerous and harmful information.

this is straight up implying that persecuctors can 1. not be protectors (impossible) and 2. just be bad/evil.

this is dangerous because it is downright shifting accountability and responsibility and completely destroys the morals of sys accountability.

if one of you is capable of abusing just to abuse, then there is an issue with ALL of you and you need to seek help. the reason persecutors are automatically misguided protectors is because that is the understanding of "hey this is not a good way to act but they are acting like this because they dont know better/trauma/etc." if you comepletely disregard this that is a very slippery slope into completely forgetting the nuance of traumatized people are more likely to act out and lash out. you are actively demonizing the very possibly most traumatized and hurting parts of yourself and if you believe this you need help.

Userboxes for systems who's persecutors are NOT misguided protectors! Click for quality, and leave a note if you save/use

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i dont know if this is a controversial take or something but experienced/long known/etc systems will still be upset by every day symptoms and occurrences.

its taking me a minute to process that two alters (twins, named checkers a chess) have fused with me and thats why im so passionate about trans issues too nowadays (that was part of their puposes), not just system issues.

it was one i saw coming for a while but as our #1 “normal about having did guy” im still saddened by it because they were cool fellas and had a lot of their own memories.

point is: veteran systems, its okay to feel sad, overwhelmed, angered, or whatever else about your symptoms.

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things that DONT automatically make an alter a persecutor:

- having a flat tone

- not using tone indicators

- being mean once on accident

- being mean once on purpose

- doing something self destructive

- being sad/angry all the time

- telling someone off

- YOU THINKING THEY ARE A PERSECUTOR.

- YOU DISLIKING THAT ALTER.

dont sit there and tell someone their alter is a persecutor just because you dislike them or you are personally uncomfortable with them. it is up to a system to label their OWN alter that, not you.

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people who take the other person disengaging from an argument as themself “winning” are weird

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if an alter is delusional ab their source/source attached it is NOT your place to “correct” them if theyre not pushing it onto you

and no, using a source name, saying me/i about their source, etc, is not pushing it onto you

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i think something that isnt spoken about enough with autistic systems is the fluctuation of support needs.

on a normal day like today, where me and takeoff are in front and we’re both functional, we could pass as neurotypical or very low support.

that changes entirely when someone like W (not his full name, im keeping him private for safety) is in fromt. W is an adult and can make his own decisions, but has very high support needs and just cannot front without a caretaker. his motor skills are low, his speech is very limited, and sometimes he fully just cant speak and cant move. their meltdowns are very severe and if we are in public with W in front our partner basically does crowd control and gets us to the nearest exit. its something.

idk, just wanted to speak about it. id love to know if anyone relates or something?

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if your persecutor is violent, emotionally abusive, physically abusive, manipulative, or mean, that is a problem with ALL of you and singling out that alter is not going to do ANY good and WILL make the problem worse.

if one alter does something, the rest of the system is perfectly capable of doing that too. i am very sick of the persecutor demonization rhetoric where people are like “this guy is just so mean:((“ “they keep ruining our relationships :((“. okay?? do something about it then. youre not helpless against your own brain, and if you are, you. need. help.

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endos vs not interacting when they were told to not interact challenge impossible 😐

Why can’t pro endo disabled systems interact? You’re not cultivating a safe space for disabled systems if you’re purposefully excluding a big percentage of them.

Sincerely, a physically disabled DID system who is trying to choose kindness in their lives.

Annnd here we go 😐

yes. i want a safe space for physically disabled **systems** to go. I, of course, am not going to call all endos fakers or roleplayers because thats not my place and i dont believe in fakeclaiming. however, i do not want people who commodify and demonize and co-op my disorder to be in a space meant for systems. i already face enough ableism in real life as an obviously disabled person, i will not be subject to it online ^^

if you want to call yourself an endogenic system or support those who do, thats none of my business, but i was very clear i dont want yall around here, so please respect that.

- Aimee (any) and Aurora (he/him)

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just as a little disclaimer, i know we were supportive of @/pipinghot-systemtakes in the past and even sent them asks (we were the ⚠️ anon) but atp im just unfollowing and disengaging because they are super pissing me off and i dont have the time or energy to actively engage with an account that has been making me angry and causing people to be anxious and upset. theyre getting a little r/systemcringe-y

i dont want any hate to that account, obviously, i just sincerely hope they take criticism in strides and not flip their shit. im guessing theyre probably young or just arent used to running a big acc yet, so dont harrass please. this is a disclaimer for OUR followers, not a callout post.

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its been MAYBE 3-4 days of @disabled-systems existing and we have three people going off at us about being anti endo in our inbox as well as all the ones weve posted and the stream seems to be very steady. this is fucking ridiculous. god forbid you want YOUR OWN space ONLINE to be free of ableds and endos. you guys care way too fucking much about other peoples opinions when a block button is right there. christ all fucking mighty.

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> give a proendo but traumagenic system a chance because theyre our coworker and we dont want bad blood

> after a while, breaks the boundary that we set of “please don’t bring your views into our server or speak to us about them”

> open a ticket and politely reminds them of the boundary set

> gets aggressive, cites did-research.org and calls me and my partner names

anyway here are the highlights from the mod chat/our friends losing their shit with landline since hes the main handler of drama