#discourse sigh

[valyrfia]

okay now give me your thoughts on the george and max fight

Honestly I fall solidly on the side of Max with this one and there's a few reasons why. However, the main point and the one I REALLY want to hammer home is that the drivers' currently need a competent GPDA director who is on the pulse of these overly harsh penalties that the FIA has suddenly become happy to start giving out. George has just proven that rather than doing his job (which he volunteered for) which is call out the harshness of these penalties, he would much rather throw any and all of his colleagues under the bus as long as he himself benefits in terms of track position. It's not a good look.

Honestly I'm of the opinion that the current GPDA action of 'a few warnings' doesn't seem to be working. The FIA is drunk on power and is all too happy to call the union's bluff and George Russell, their DIRECTOR, suddenly being pro penalties in the stewards' room just strengthens the FIA's belief that they don't actually need to take on board any of the drivers' concerns. George not only completely lost Max's respect but he also destroyed the legitimacy of the recent GPDA complaints and quite honestly, maybe a controversial opinion but I think it's ground enough for George to be forced to step down as the drivers' representative.

TLDR: Max is completely in the right and George acting in his own interest may have just destroyed any chance of the FIA taking the drivers' current concerns seriously.

[catofoldstones]

we already have people bitching about how “i can’t stand Chani, she’s so annoying 🙄” and “Paul chose Chani to be the mother of his children, Irulan is just at the sidelines eating dust as she should”, like brothers we cannot do this again. We can’t Chani v Irulan our way out of this one because the problem is Paul and the Empire. Gosh, we truly are never getting out of the patriarchy.

[luckthebard]

I promise you do not need to tell people who don’t like this that Matt brought Vax back for his wife, we know. I know. I get it.

I am allowed to find this immensely dissatisfying on a narrative level as a viewer of a story they have released publicly. It completely undermines something I loved about C1. Just defanged an interesting and complex and meaningful story in the pursuit of a milquetoast Happily Ever After

[anti-terf-posts]

i’m really curious as to what “tme/tma” users get out of using those terms. do they feel like they won some kind of oppression competition when they declare themselves as tma? do they feel like cis people like them more? and what is the PURPOSE of using those terms? like genuinely when is it useful outside of discourse? i’m really curious.

[brsb4hls]

Ok, but if you wanna circle that Siken quote around, maybe post the whole thing?

The second part is the important one.

Also, for those who still can't seperate fiction from reality and are obvi already pestering him, because he dared to name that ship:

[ruthtearna]

I'm sorry, but the number of trans men who have detransitioned due to "misandry" is a statistically irrelevant number

Yk what *has* caused trans men/mascs to detransition to a significant degree, though? You know what *has* sent trans men down years of repression? Toxic masculinity.

Being told that they were "too girly" to be "real men", being made fun of on videos with MILLIONS of views for the crime of being too feminine

Like the main targets of transmasc specific oppression are, in my opinion, non-passing and gender nonconforming and nonbinary transmascs

I was there for 2010s transmedicalist bullying of trans guys (there were ofc, other victims of it, but I'm mainly focusing on this for this post), you're not going to convince me that the reason transgender men are oppressed is because of them being men/them being masculine, or that it's because of "misandry"

Trans men who play into the roles of stereotypical "male" masculinity are treated better than those who don't.

Do transphobes have geniune support in their hearts for people like Buck Angel or Kalvin Garrah? No, but a lot of them will pit them into the (false) category of "one of the good ones". (until they come for them, and there's no one left to speak up.)

[tackykachowch]

I really can't stress enough how actually disastrous it is that Silco's role in the series is so downplayed in s2 and even in fandom. Writers and some people seem to treat him as sort of a Vander/Heimerdindong/Cassandra/Ambessa type of character, but he is not one in the slightest. He absolutely IS a part of the main cast, it is an objective truth. Yes, he's the oldest character out of the bunch, he doesn't leave buildings/offices often and most of the things he does is talk, not even invent something like Viktor. The Vander/etc type of characters are mostly reactionary, they enter the stage only when one of the main characters does something, while Silco is very proactive. He does start his plan early due to kids blowing up Jayce's apartment, but even that was partly a direct consequence of his own actions, because he would've gotten this information much later if not for Deckard, who he himself employed to keep an eye on the kids. And like I emphasized many, MANY times, he's connected to almost every single character and plotline in the series, so given all these factors he just can't be considered a side character. He just can't.

I mean, imagine if for example Cait died in ep9 instead of Silco. Writers wouldn't let us forget this fact for the entirety of the second season and even possibly some of the spin-offs, because how can they? She's one of the main characters, here, you see her on the poster! But here's the same question: why Silco doesn't get the same treatment? Why does the character who with his actions shaped most of the plot post act1 is so completely ignored? I mean, I know the answer, you know the answer - the writers for s2 didn't like him and had a very obvious bias against him. I just don't understand why some fans follow them suit. How can you be so disingenuous towards one of the core characters in the whole story? Because he's a villain? Well damn, I guess we're supposed to ignore Joker now when we talk about the Batman universe.

[lesbianjackies]

it’s actually insane how you people watch this show and pick up on nothing. wdym jackie taylor is a narcissist. how are you people still basing your view of her off of shauna’s textually unreliable account of her behavior. like i’m sorry do you know what a narcissist is because jackie taylor is not one!! 😭😭 she is entirely motivated by what other people think of her and a desire to be loved and seen as good, especially by shauna. like. that is not narcissistic behavior. you sound actually stupid

[withthewindinherfootsteps]

???

Both WWX and LWJ are highly ideal characters, so there wouldn’t be too much dispute on their moral standing. They’re perfect as the protagonists.  - MXTX's end notes (chapter 113.5), EXR translation

I'm not one to say word of the author is word of god – I definitely lean more towards Death of the Author in that regard. But an important part of that is that you look at what happens in the novel – and, from WWX's actions in the novel, it's pretty clear that this is supposed to be the case. Even if you don't agree with that statement, there's no doubt that acting on his morals is something extremely important to him, and those morals lean heavily towards doing the "right thing" in his perception. That is not "neutral".

Examples of this: WWX was not killed for being the only person to do the right thing and defend the Wen remnants for people to say he's chaotic neutral. He didn't risk his life alongside LWJ to protect both innocents and people who participated in the first Siege, during the second. He didn't go to save Su She from the Waterborne Abyss (at no personal gain), defend Mianmian (at no personal gain), join LWJ in going wherever the chaos is post-canon when they night hunt (despite preferring more difficult, exiting ones – though of course, spending time with LWJ plays a very large role in here too!), etc and do so many other things in the novel, for people to say he's chaotic neutral. He doesn't say this for no reason:

"But, let the self judge the right and the wrong, let others decide to praise or to blame, let gains and losses remain uncommented on." - Chapter 75, EXR

He says it because it's an important part of his philosophy (it fits with his actions, and, from a writing standpoint, would you include that with no indication of a lie otherwise?)! Because judging the right thing, and doing the right thing, is important to him! That's not chaotic neutral!

"He does whatever he wants pretty consistently" well... yes? That is how decisions work? Morality isn't determined by whether you act independently or adhere to other rules – that's where chaotic and lawful come in, but not evil or good. If you do what you want to do, and what you want to do is help people, that's not neutral! It's good!

There's more to the tags, but I won't go into that right now since it's a different point. I would like to say that are multiple posts talking about how WWX doesn't just act disrespectfully/arrogantly for no reason (he knew he'd have to "keep his status in mind" if he wanted to run wild, he was hardly the only person being rowdy and breaking rules in Gusu yet nobody says the same about people like NHS or JC who did that too, post-SSC he was playing up these traits so nobody would look deeper into his reasons for things, ie not having his GC, etc. He enjoys running wild, yes, but it doesn't mean he does it mindlessly!), such as the one I just reblogged, because that's a point that needs adressing here as well. Please don't try to search up these tags and harrass anybody, as it only leads to harm – I just really, really disagree with this take. The WWX of MDZS is neither stupid nor chaotic neutral...

[daniclaytcn]

seeing how quickly a lot of the hardcore bt fans have devolved into running lou ferrigno jr fanblogs and complaining about oliver's lack of talent has been extremely telling. look oliver's not the strongest actor on 911 (because that is a high bar!) but if you think lfj is vastly more talented than him, we cannot have been watching the same show

the way they instantly turned on oliver is, well. it's really something.

[eddiewithcat]

going to be so brutally honest here for a second because jesus you guys are really getting on my nerves…

ship wars are stupid. ship wars are dumb.

this whole bucktommy vs buddie thing is pointless.

you are hurting yourselves, and others, if you are constantly wishing on the downfall of someone else’s ship just because you personally do not agree with it.

guess what? the beautiful thing about television is that you can interpret it however the fuck you want!

if you don’t like bucktommy- ignore the posts! get out of the hashtag! block people if you must!

if you don’t like buddie- same fucking thing!

this is getting out of hand and it is making people not feel comfortable voicing their opinions any longer (i, being one of them).

just ship whatever the hell you want and leave the others out of it! we are all just here to have fun, make fun little theories or headcanons or fanfics or fanart etc etc

stop making this unenjoyable for all of us. thanks.

[chuluoyi]

chu chu! do you know there's a lads boycott by some players because they want more content for sylus? :((( it turned out into such a mess on x and lads official acc doesn't even respond it...

*sigh* ofc the official account won’t give any reply— what should they reply with anyway? an official apology? why would they? 😐

you see, i’m a firm believer of “to each their own” mindset, and i honestly don’t care about any discourse happening in a platform as chaotic as twitter. if they want to boycott the game then so be it—it’s not my business at all. but if asked for an opinion, tbh i think some people just love to stir drama in this fandom. i’ve seen other discourses like “why caleb gets intimate with mc upon getting released whereas sylus doesn’t in his first cards” like ??? ofc mc will be bc caleb is her brotherly childhood friend? whereas sylus and mc’s first meeting is her pointing a gun at him?

and i’ve seen some who said that the slowburn between sylus and mc doesn’t excuse the lack of content— i think this is just blown out of proportion bc personally i don’t think we’re lacking content that much? except for the photobooth background, but isn’t it quite minor? i don’t know tho, maybe there are other things i miss but based on my gaming experience, everything is still satisfying so far. maybe if we don’t obsess over the game so much and envy other LI’s storyline, those kind of “lack of content” thoughts won’t ever pop up in our minds

each LI has their own story path and development with mc. we haven’t even seen caleb’s myth but some people have concluded that sylus’ first myth is so bad just bc there’s no “intimate” scenes like caleb and mc have in his teaser like honestly… what do you expect? sylus and mc started off on bad terms, how does it make sense that they’ll be kissing and banging each other in their first myth? and what’s more, it makes no sense to covet caleb’s storyline for sylus 🤦🏻‍♀️

let’s be real, some of them are just obsessed with the “intimate” scenes—they don’t care about the story progression at all. the evidence is how nightly rendezvous banner’s revenue is skyrocketing right now

[roxannepolice]

I think one of the most headscratching to me aspects of thoschei fan interpretations - and to be fair, writing, lately - is the chaos-order thing. That's probably because both the writers and the fandom immediately slap moral values on what are fundamentally amoral states. There can be disagreements about which is good and which is bad and which character is which as a result of the moral association, but like. It's always about what the show is trying to tell you is the better way to live because "What would the Doctor do" has become an unironic life coaching advice.

Meanwhile, from philosophical, physical and cognitive perspective it's been spelled out by Eight:

I love humans. Always seeing patterns in things that aren't there.

and Ten:

No, but that's what you do. The human race makes sense out of chaos. Marking it out with weddings and Christmas and calendars. This whole process is beautiful, but only if it's being observed.

and Terry Pratchett:

Things just happen, one after another. They don't care who knows. But history...ah, history is different. History has to be observed. Otherwise it's not history. It's just...well, things happening one after another.

and Hesiod:

First it was Chaos, and next broad-bosomed Earth.

Chaos isn't eviler because scary and ununderstandable nor is it gooder because society wants to me do stuff, man. It's more primordial. It's the objective state of things without a subject to perceive them. Yes, there are patterns in nature, but they are results of working least bad in the evolution's infinite monkeying, not some unique order.

What I'm saying is, when you think of chaos snd order as ontological concepts rather than moral admonishments, it becomes borderline incomprehensible how you could look either at a character who delights in a species obsessed with evoking order out of chaos or a character who's whole shtick is control and scheming and say yup, one of these is totally into chaos.

[thedevotionaltour]

sorry main blog complaint moment that actually isn't a big deal but sometimes there are some fandoms where im like why are we selfshipping/ocxcanon shipping from here where are we even getting yeah i gotta ship from here vibes. not that we can't you can do whatever you want and lord knows i probably have fandoms that make people cock their head but also why.

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

not spop-related but i can't post this on my main blog so.

i do find it funny how most of the fan depictions of belos were far more interesting and detailed than s3 belos. i've seen fanart and fanfics of him where he's a complex villain struggling with religious guilt and then the canon is just like.. lmao yeah he's pure evil. kill him.

[purple-nightfall-writes]

what if we all went on reddit and talked about how we're so excited for whatever the hermits/lifers make and we trust their ability to make something super fun no matter what and also it's really fun to watch them hang out with their friends. and what if we were all really nice to them and stuff.